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Data Over Dogma

Data Over Dogma

Daniel McClellan and Daniel Beecher 165 Episodes Jul 20, 2026

This ain't your pastor's Bible podcast. This is a deep interrogation of the book, and we're bringing receipts. Bible scholar Dr. Dan McClellan and atheist podcaster Dan Beecher team up to discover what the Bible actually says, what it decidedly doesn't say (even if everyone thinks it does), and explore the history of the most popular book of all time.

Episodes

A Trickster God and the Worst Wedding Ever
A Trickster God and the Worst Wedding Ever Jul 20, 2026 3599 This week, Christian nationalist Joel Webbin says the quiet part out loud: lie to voters about your theocratic goals until you've got the power to enact them. It's grotesque and profoundly un-American — but is deception, weirdly, the one piece of the playbook that's actually biblical? Then we wrestle with the baffling parable of the wedding banquet, where a king burns a city, fills the hall with
Lean Not on Your Own Understanding (and Other Conversation-Enders)
Lean Not on Your Own Understanding (and Other Conversation-Enders) Jul 13, 2026 3785 This week we're taking on the thought-stopping cliché to end all thought-stopping clichés: "trust in the Lord, and lean not on your own understanding." Is "reading with the Holy Spirit" a special line to God that us dirty scholars just can't access, or is it John Lennox's red Ferrari parked right next to an invisible dragon nobody else can see? Then we wade into the online cottage industry of "s
Faith vs. Works vs. Chaos Monsters
Faith vs. Works vs. Chaos Monsters Jul 6, 2026 3994 This week we crack open the Epistle of James — a letter that may claim to come from none other than James the brother of Jesus — and wade into one of Christianity's oldest arguments: faith versus works. Does James contradict Paul on how a person is saved, and is that why Martin Luther dismissed the whole book as an "epistle of straw"? Then we go monster hunting for Leviathan, Rahab, and Behemoth
The Twelve Tribes of Israel (Give or Take)
The Twelve Tribes of Israel (Give or Take) Jun 29, 2026 3565 This week the Dans try to count to twelve — and find that the number matters a lot more than the names. We dig into the twelve tribes of Israel: how Levi quietly drops out and Joseph splits into Ephraim and Manasseh to keep the total at twelve, why the Song of Deborah seems to remember only ten tribes (some with different names), and what it means that "Israel" may have begun as a confederation ra
Moloch, Mormons, and Mike Lee
Moloch, Mormons, and Mike Lee Jun 22, 2026 3634 Senator Mike Lee keeps accusing his opponents of sacrificing children to Moloch, so this week we ask who — or what — Moloch actually was, why abortion and child sacrifice are not the same thing, and the uncomfortable places child sacrifice really does turn up in the Hebrew Bible. Then, after the Pentagon quietly declined to list the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as Christian, we dig
Sins of the (Grand)father
Sins of the (Grand)father Jun 15, 2026 3792 The sins of the fathers! It's a phrase you've heard a thousand times, but did you know it comes straight from the Bible? This week it's Bible versus Bible, and the topic is generational punishment: God visiting the iniquity of the parents upon the children to the third and fourth generation. It's in the Ten Commandments. And the other Ten Commandments. So what did those poor great-grandkids do to
Inside purity culture and Christian nationalism with Monte Mader
Inside purity culture and Christian nationalism with Monte Mader Jun 8, 2026 3781 What happens when you're raised to be a militant Christian nationalist Supreme Court justice, but you decide to actually study church history instead? This week, we are thrilled to welcome social media powerhouse, educator, and musician Monte Mader to the show! You probably know her from her viral videos expertly dismantling Christian nationalist talking points, but her story starts far from the
Let's Get Weird!
Let's Get Weird! Jun 1, 2026 4052 Most parents think their kids are pretty great. That makes sense. But if your son is the messianic savior of the world, the bragging rights are kind of through the roof. And that's what we get in Hebrews 1. The claim here is that God told the prophets about Jesus, and now all those awesome prophesies have come true. And Hebrews 1 seems to be bringing receipts. It quotes from all over the Hebrew
C. S. Lewis and the Bible with Leslie Baynes
C. S. Lewis and the Bible with Leslie Baynes May 25, 2026 4271 Beloved novelist Clive Staples Lewis (Jack to his friends)(?) went through an atheist phase in his life. But that didn't last, and when he came back to Christianity, he came back HARD! Everyone who knows his work beyond life in a wardrobe is well aware of his obsession with the Bible and Christianity. But though he was an academic, Lewis was careful to remind people he was not a Bible scholar.
The Queen of Heaven?
The Queen of Heaven? May 18, 2026 3521 Just when you think you have biblical theology figured out, they throw you a curveball! In this case, the curve in question is the character explicitly referred to in Jeremiah as the queen of heaven. "Wait!" you might be saying to yourself, "I know heaven has a king, which is God, but what's all this about a queen!" Well, apparently yes. And Jeremiah is none too pleased about it! Then, we're ta
Even Heretics Deserve Rituals! With Jeremy Steele
Even Heretics Deserve Rituals! With Jeremy Steele May 11, 2026 3500 For as long as there have been humans, there have been rituals. Every religion and spiritual practice has developed its own set of practices and rites, and attached sacred meaning to them. But behind the theology and mysticism, is there something happening that even the non-religious could benefit from? This week, we welcome back Jeremy Steele to talk about his new book Rituals for Heretics, a
America (Almost Never) Reads the Bible
America (Almost Never) Reads the Bible May 4, 2026 3875 Brace yourself, because your favorite Bible scholarship show is going to talk politics. It's not that we're veering out of our lane, though. Unfortunately, the politics have come careening out of their lane, and smashed headlong into us. It's not our fault! So yes, we're going to talk about the recent giant Christian nationalist piety performance that was "America Reads the Bible". This was an

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