The NAVigator
The NAVigator, from the Active Investment Company Alliance (AICA), covers all-weather investing and active management through closed-end funds (CEFs) and business-development companies (BDCs). The podcast aims to help investors and advisors explore tactical use of these securities for financial success. It provides regular updates on strategies for investing in CEFs and BDCs.
Episodes
With traditional markets 'raging,' SEI's Shetty sees opportunity in alternatives
Nathan Shetty, Chief Investment Officer at SEI, discusses the evolving role of alternative investments, which have been de-emphasized by the media and financial planners due to the success of traditional equities. Shetty notes that sticky inflation and unpredictable interest rates are shifting the way alternatives can serve portfolios now, and says the focus should be on complementing equity strat
Are closed-end discounts putting Anthropic on sale pre-IPO?
With Anthropic preparing to launch an initial public offering that could value the company at over $2 trillion, John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, looks at buying pre-IPO stakes in closed-end funds, interval funds and ETFs that invest in private markets, and says that getting exposure to Anthropic and other popular IPOs isn't the hard part, paying for the right wrapper is. Scott, who also
Aberdeen's Kence on A.I.'s impact in the high-yield market
Matt Kence, Portfolio Manager at Aberdeen Investments, discusses the current state of the high-yield market and how it is responding to rising interest rates, noting that fundamentals remain surprisingly robust, with moderate levels of leverage and strong interest coverage. Kence, who manages the Aberdeen Credit Income Strategies fund (ticker ACP) says that defaults in the high-yield space have b
XA Investments' Choi on opportunities in the CLO market
Young Choi, Portfolio Manager for the XAI Floating Rate & Alternative Income Trust, says there is more value and broad movement in the secondary markets for equity collateralized loan obligations, whereas opportunities in debt CLOs have been more specific and sporadic. Choi, the global head of trading at King Street and a portfolio manager for Rockford Tower, which took over as advisor for the XAI
If you never capture the discount, is a fund still a bargain?
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, answers listener questions today, including one from an investor with two closed-end funds that have been stuck with large discounts seemingly the entire time he has owned them. Scott, who also serves as chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, discusses how discounts change a fund's risk profile, even if they never get narrowed, and how inves
John Cole Scott says BDC 'software problems' aren't surfacing in the data
Business-development companies saw their share prices get hammered early this year as the market worried about an overexposure to parts of the software industry that could be negatively impacted by artificial intelligence. John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, looked at BDC data before and since those problems and says it appears that fears of A.I. risk were exaggerated since "We're still no
Tortoise's Thummel on why natural gas will help the U.S. win the global A.I. race
Rob Thummel, Senior Portfolio Manager at Tortoise Capital, says that for all of the power needs created by artificial intelligence, producers still need their power costs to be reasonable, and he expects that natural gas will lead the way going forward. Thummel, who runs Tortoise Energy Infrastructure fund, says current conditions for energy infrastructure remain the most favorable he has seen in
How rising Treasury rates (and relief) impact closed-end investors
Treasury rates hit their highest level in nearly 20 years this week; in response, the Treasury announced it was doubling its long-end buyback capacity. John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, discusses what it all means for fixed-income markets and how it is impacting closed-end funds and their investors. The two actions at the center of the action call for a barbell approach, says Scott, who
John Cole Scott breaks down recent media recommendations on CEFs
When closed-end funds catch mentions in the mainstream media, the recommendations often focus on yield without digging deeper. In this episode of The NAVigator, John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, looks at some recent closed-end fund recommendations from articles on Forbes and Seeking Alpha, and breaks down how those funds do through the "trifecta analysis" his firm uses to select funds, p
How the market's recent rally created 'a good widening' of closed-end discounts
Discount-capture investor Rob Shaker, Portfolio Manager at Shaker Financial Services, says that while closed-end fund discounts have widened through a strong season of earnings and a market returning to flirt with new highs, much of that action has been "good widenings," where a fund's net asset value goes up more than the price of the closed-end fund itself. With the market "snapping around" with
Nuveen's Caraher on why senior loans are in a sweet spot now
Scott Caraher, Head of Senior Loans at Nuveen, says that the higher-for-longer interest rate environment has created "one of the most interesting and dynamic times" he has seen for senior loans in his 25-year career. Caraher, who manages Nuveen Floating Rate Income in both its closed-end and open-end forms, says that because senior loans don't face interest-rate risk, they are a powerful play in a
John Cole Scott on Q2 and the rest of '26 for closed-end funds, BDCs
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, provides takeaways from the second quarter for closed-end funds and business-development companies, noting that the trend was for investors to make most of their money on net asset values rather than narrowing discounts, which creates potential for a strong second half of 2026 if there is an uptick in investor sentiment. Scott, the chairman of the Active
XA's DiBernardo on why worried investors should consider covered calls now
Ray DiBernardo, Portfolio Manager for the XAI Madison Equity Premium Income fund, says he's concerned about the market's valuation levels — noting that it "has been expensive for quite some time" — and while he is not expecting "dark clouds and a horrible environment," there's more downside risk, which could lead to market compression that puts covered-call strategies back into the spotlight as a
Gold fund manager Merk on ASA's fight with activist investors
Axel Merk, President and Chief Investment Officer at Merk Investments, discusses Saba Capital's activist campaign that got him ousted as portfolio manager and president of ASA Gold and Precious Metals Ltd., a closed-end fund that was up nearly 200% last year but that still was branded with the label of being a "poor performer." Merk, who took over the closed end fund in 2016 and helped to nearly q
Gabelli's Dreyer on why sports and value picks are an antidote to A.I. obsession
Kevin Dreyer, Co-Chief Investment Officer for value at Gabelli Asset Management, says that there are plenty of values left in a market that has returned to record levels, particularly when valuing stocks based on "what an informed industrialist or buyer would pay to buy the whole business." Dreyer, part of the team running Gabelli Equity Trust and some of the firm's other closed-end funds, says th
CEF Data's Scott on the takeaways from Dechert's Private Credit Summit
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, attended the Private Credit Summit hosted this week in New York City by Dechert LLP, and came away with a sense that private-credit markets have not yet gotten to the overheated levels that could turn investor fears of a blow-up into a financial reality. Scott, also the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, discusses "stress tests" that Fit
Landmark Supreme Court decision is a game-changer for investor activism
Ken Burdon, Partner in the registered fund practice at Simpson Thacher & Bartlett, discusses the Supreme Court's recent ruling against activist investor Saba Capital, a decision that could have a chilling effect on shareholder activism in the future. Burdon says the decision removes a key path based on the Investment Company Act of 1940 that activists took in pursuing cases over fund fees and stru
In a tight-spread, higher-for-longer rate market, discounts matter again
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, says that index discounts are wide when compared to their three-year history, which makes it important for investors to find names where wide discounts are supported by improving fundamentals. Scott, who also is chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that both the national muni CEF index and the taxable bond CEF index have seen wider di
Bluerock's Baffico says HALO trades will benefit from Private Credit Redemptions
Steve Baffico, Executive Vice President and head of listed products at Bluerock, which runs the Bluerock Private Real Estate fund, expects the real estate market to benefit as money moves from private credit , business-development companies and direct-lending strategies in pursuit of something with "hard assets and low obsolescence." That HALO trade should drive growth moving forward; Baffico disc
Kayne's Hamilton: 'Historic' oil drawdowns create energy infrastructure opportunities
Gordon Hamilton, Senior Managing Director for Kayne Anderson, Portfolio Manager for the Kayne Anderson Energy Infrastructure fund, says that there will be a big call on U.S. energy infrastructure companies to meet global demand for propane, butane, crude oil and natural gas as the world gets through the current energy crisis created by war in Iran. Coupled with an energy "supercycle" driven by art
Sit's Doty says rates will rise, peak and shift downward by year's end
Bryce Doty, Senior Portfolio Manager at Sit Investment Associates, says that "the worst is over as far as yields going up," noting that the next shift could be down, but he calls the conditions "tricky" and emphasizes that investors "need to be in the right part of the curve." Doty's case hinges on oil prices; if oil stays below $110, it's viewed as inflationary, but above that level "we have a p
CEF Advisors' Scott breaks down how bad news has impacted BDCs
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors and the Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, looks at the recent issues in business-development companies, which got hammered in March as the market punished software investments, including lenders who made loans to software firms. While BDCs rebounded in April, they remain significantly down, and Scott discusses how the companies with the
Calamos' Freund: Concerns are 'distractions,' not market impediments
Matt Freund, Co-Chief Investment Officer at Calamos Investments, says that productivity, GDP growth and earnings are "what matters," and that the headline risks that are driving consumer sentiment are "distractions" from a market backdrop that is solid. He says inflation remains the big risk, but notes that the investor sentiment is creating opportunities, particularly in closed-end funds, and esp
Enduring investment lessons from the legendary Mark Mobius
Dr. Mark Mobius, widely considered the father of emerging markets investor and a man who helped put the world into everyone's grasp during his long career running funds at Templeton, passed away in mid-April. John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, recounts Mobius' legacy and lasting lessons by digging into interviews conducted by his father, George Cole Scott, Founder of the Closed-End Fund L
Liberty Street's Gutierrez on private investment trends in A.I.
David Gutierrez, Vice President at Liberty Street Advisors and part of the team running the Private Shares Fund, says that private markets are similar enough to public markets that artificial intelligence is now one of the big sweet spots in both. However, he says the best opportunities involve infrastructure more than AI itself. Gutierrez notes that the Private Shares Fund—an actively managed, co
Veteran manager says that for all the headline risks, this is a 'generic widening'
Rob Shaker, Portfolio Manager at Shaker Financial Services, says that while the headlines may have investors on edge, the fear-based selling that gripped the market around the start of war in Iran created a "generic widening" of discounts for closed-end funds. Shaker, who is a "discount-capture investor," says the current widening and recovery was caused mostly by "the irrational effects of excess
Despite scary headlines, low-A.I.-risk BDCs are worth a new look now
With the market kicking business-development companies in the teeth, John Cole Scott , President of CEF Advisors, digs into his firm's data looking at "artificial-intelligence risk scoring" to find BDCs that have been hurt by headlines without holding tainted portfolios. BDCs relied heavily on software companies, due to the tech sector's blend of strong fundamentals, innovation and ability to resi
Nuveen's Weyandt on why current events make listed real assets look good
Matt Weyandt, a client Portfolio Manager on the listed real assets team at Nuveen, discusses how buying "location-specific hard assets" in essential industries that deliver to a "Halo theme" — heavy asset, low obsolescence — creates a buffer against a market that is being driven by headlines and geopolitical risks. Weyandt says that real estate, infrastructure, utilities, midstream energy companie
XA's Flynn on how private credit market is challenging BDCs, interval funds
Kim Flynn, president at XA Investments, a firm that specializes in alternative investments, says recent private-credit bad news events have widened discounts and raised concerns over business-development companies and interval funds, but have likely created a buy-the-dip moment in the industry. She discusses how fund sponsors and advisers must do a better job educating investors on how these produ
John Cole Scott on how headline risks are impacting closed-end funds
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, says that closed-end funds are being buffeted in two directions due to current headlines, with war in Iran impacting net asset values and anchored interest rates impacting levered closed-end funds and discounts shifting to reflect both situations. Scott, who also serves as the Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says sectors that have ben
Aberdeen's Gilhooly says oil could quickly reach $175 per barrel
Robert Gilhooly, Senior Emerging Markets Economist at Aberdeen Investments, says that the continuing war in Iran has put pressure on oil prices, but he expects them to stabilize short-term while the market determines what happens next. If the outlook becomes one where the Straits of Hormuz are closed off to shipments for a longer stretch of time, he says "If things get really bad, you could be tal
Bluerock's MacDonald says 'uniquely boring' private real estate is value-priced now
Ryan MacDonald, Portfolio Manager for the Bluerock Private Real Estate Fund, says that in a world teeming with market worries and broad geopolitical concerns, private real estate is "uniquely boring, in a good way." He says the market has taken its pain over the last three years through interest rate changes and the market cycle, but now values have receded creating a solid entry point. MacDonald,
John Cole Scott: BDC worries are creating headlines, opportunities
The stock market has been beating up business-development companies, with the sell-off largely being blamed on the artificial intelligence boom and the high number of loans that BDCs make to software firms. Behind the theory that software companies will struggle to pay debts as artificial intelligence renders their products less useful and attractive, there are real loans, and John Cole Scott, Pre
John Cole Scott evaluates Robinhood's new private-stock closed-end fund
Robinhood Markets is launching its first closed-end fund, Robinhood Ventures Fund I, with the first IPO the closed-end fund space has seen in about four years and John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, sizes up the prospects for the new issue, which intends to be a concentrated portfolio of private companies. Scott, the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, discusses the role pr
Saratoga's Oberbeck: Headline troubles aren't signalling systemic credit issues
Chris Oberbeck, chairman and chief executive officer at Saratoga Investment Corp., says that increases in default rates are more of a return to normal than a sign of trouble for business-development companies or the economy. While stories like the First Brands bankruptcy and fraud case have market watchers looking for more trouble, the rest of the headlines in the industry are much more routine,
Trinity Capital's Brown sees BDC opportunity amid investor frustration
Kyle Brown, Chief Executive Officer at Trinity Capital, gives his outlook for the private credit and lending space, and notes that there could be some challenges for business development companies and private lenders late in the current economic cycle because returns from private credit generally have been declining. That has meant single-digit leveraged returns, Brown says, so "Investors are not
Aberdeen's Robinson on how emerging markets are now an AI play
Nick Robinson, Deputy Head of Global Emerging Market Equities at Aberdeen Investments, says that the artificial intelligence wave that has pushed domestic stock markets to record highs is readily apparent around the world — including in countries that are not necessarily synonymous with technology — and that the capital expenditure wave should continue to power foreign markets if companies can mon
John Cole Scott on 4th-quarter results and a hot new year's start for closed-end funds
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, reviews the key takeaways from his firm's fourth-quarter review of action in the closed-end fund industry, focusing on fund consolidation trends that have occurred in the middle of booming asset growth for the industry, as well as discount levels and whether narrowing discounts set up 2026 for more muted results. Scott, the chairman of the Active Investm
Nuveen's Davis on what '25 has set up for closed -end funds in the year ahead
Stephen Davis, closed-end fund product specialist at Nuveen, says that while 2025 was a strong year for closed-end fund performance, price returns exceeded net asset value (NAV) gains, reflecting a narrowing of discounts, continuing a trend from 2024. Those narrower discounts will make it harder for that broad trend to continue in 2026, but he noted that municipal bonds and senior loans are two ar
XA's Flynn on how interval fund indexes change the game
Kimberly Flynn, President at XA Investments, discussed the just-launched XAI Interval Fund Credit Index, which tracks the performance of non-listed closed-end interval funds and tender offer funds in the alternative-credit space, and how having the benchmark should help investors as they look at adding private credit and other alternatives to their portfolios. Flynn says the new index — which is n
The year in review: John Cole Scott looks at his his 2025 predictions worked out
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, reviews the forecasts he made a year ago for 2025, grading his wins and losses on everything from inflation levels and Treasury yields to discount levels and the outcome in various sectors of the closed-end fund industry. Scott, the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, also reviews the five funds he identified as buys for 2025 and how they
2026 outlook: John Cole Scott on what '26 holds for closed-end funds
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, climbs his mountain of data to get a great view on the year ahead, and he's forecasting no recession, lower inflation and modest GDP growth for 2026, with less volatility coming from the rate picture but more market tension due to the global macro picture. Scott, who also serves as chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, also discusses what h
Is activism in the UK following or leading the action in the U.S.?
Richard Stone, Chief Executive Officer for The Association of Investment Companies (the British equivalent to the Active Investment Company Alliance), discusses differences in the activist investor cultures in the United States and Great Britain, noting that the British model is more about engagement with the board and a collaborative effort to improve the business, while the U.S. model has shifte
Sit's Doty sees opportunities in the next Fed 'mess'
Bryce Doty, senior portfolio manager at Sit Investment Associates, says that "every time a new Fed chair comes in, they do something dumb," and with Jerome Powell on his way out as the chairman of the Federal Reserve, he expects some chaos that will create opportunities, potentially as soon as the next chairman of the central bank is announced. "The interpretation — and mis-interpretation — of wha
Bonus NAVigator: Bulldog Investors' Goldstein on the state of activism
Long-time activist investor Phil Goldstein of Bulldog Investors sat down with NAVigator host Chuck Jaffe at the Active Investment Company Alliance Fall Roundtable in New York City on Nov. 19 to discuss the current state of shareholder activism and why there seems to be so much less of it than there was just a few years back. While there have been moves and regulations that have made it harder for
CEF Advisors' Scott on the start of the 2025 tax-loss harvesting season
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, looks at tax-loss selling season and whether it has started yet, noting that a few asset classes have largely been able to avoid situations where there will be widespread harvesting this year, while others (most notably business-development companies) may be poised for a lot of tax-driven reshuffling before year's end. Scott, who is the chairman of the A
NAVigator bonus: Herzfeld's Paylor on how CUBA became a CLO fund
The Active Investment Company Alliance held its annual Fall Roundtable in New York City on Nov. 19, and NAVigator host Chuck interviewed Ryan Paylor, Portfolio Manager at Thomas J. Herzfeld Advisors, which recently converted a closed-end fund from a focus on companies located in the Caribbean Basin — ticker Symbol CUBA — to one focused on collateralized loan obligations. Paylor explains the thinki
Talking closed-end funds on sale with John Cole Scott
Consumers have a tradition of going bargain hunting on Black Friday, but The NAVigator has a day-after-Thanksgiving ritual too, looking for discounts on closed-end funds with John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors and The Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance. For the fourth straight year, he's looking at market bargains in time for the holiday, and this year he is looking at two
David Tepper on how economic woes could create a closed-end meltdown
In an interview recorded at the Active Investment Company Alliance Fall Round Table in New York City on Wednesday, Nov. 19, David Tepper of Tepper Capital Management talks about the state of the closed-end fund business, ranging from the classic funds he has held for a many years to his concerns about the boom in private credit, the potential for trouble if the economy turns and what he might be l
Aberdeen's Duitz on where he's turning for dividend growth now
Josh Duitz, Global Head of Income for Aberdeen — Manager of the Aberdeen Total Dynamic Dividend Fund — talks about where he is finding success in generating elevated income at a time when rate cuts are making it harder for investors to earn easy yields. Duitz discusses international investing and whether the rally overseas can continue in the face of reduced currency impacts, where high-flyers lik
ARDC's Brusky on how active management drives opportunities in a changing rate environment
Seth Brufsky, Chief Executive Officer for the Ares Dynamic Credit Allocation Fund, talks about how the start of rate cuts and a falling interest rate environment impacts high-yield bonds, leveraged loans and collateralized loan obligations, noting that fixed-rate high-yield investments should get a boost from lower rates, but that the floating-rate paper also can benefit thanks to better arbitrage
Nuveen's Chintapalli says the high-yield market has never looked less junky
Ravi Chintapalli, Client Portfolio Manager covering leveraged finance for the Nuveen Global Fixed Income team, says that he has never seen a high-yield market that has been higher quality than what he is seeing now. That helps to explain tighter spreads, and suggests they should not shy away from high-yield because they're being compensated for "the true level of default risk in the market." On th
Year-end action - not bubble worries - will drive year-end CEF discounts
Discount-capture investor Rob Shaker, Portfolio Manager at Shaker Financial Services, says that he's "not seeing anything in the closed-end fund space that would point to any type of bubble conditions." He sees generic, slow widening of discounts happening now, mostly due to a mix of year-end tax-loss moves starting now and some fund-specific actions, rather than because investors have lost faith
John Cole Scott on what's next for the BDC, private credit markets
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, discusses the changing landscape of business-development companies and the details he gleaned from attending the recent Eversheds BDC Roundtable, which focused on legislative and other issues that are creating challenges and opportunities for the industry. Scott, the Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, weighs in on the potential for chang
Variant's Hicks on mixing an impact on more than investors' finances
Drake Hicks, Head of Impact Investing at Variant Investments, discusses the unusual intersection of closed-end funds with impact investing, which goes beyond ESG (environmental, social and government principles) to invest in projects which have a purpose beyond just a profit margin. The firm runs the Variant Impact Fund, a high-yield closed-end interval fund whose assets are aligned with the Unite
XA's DiBernardo on covered-call strategies gaining ground and popularity
Ray DiBernardo, Portfolio Manager of the XAI Madison Equity Premium Income fund, says that covered-call strategies have become increasingly popular of late, as investors want to goose income while reducing market risk. DiBernardo, an analyst at Madison Investments, notes that investors have been intrigued by covered-call strategies for about two decades, but the availability of more options-based
Are falling rates, changing conditions setting up BDCs for a fall?
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, talks about how current conditions have made for nervous times in the business-development company space, and he looks at history to determine whether the risks are systemic rather than situational. The conversation looks at how the BDC space has gotten extensive scrutiny recently from the Financial Times and on sites like Seeking Alpha, with some observ
With his fund up 100% this year, veteran manager says gold can go higher
Axel Merk, Chief Investment Officer of the ASA Gold and Precious Metals Fund, says that while gold has been rolling this year, the start of rate cuts along with a weakening dollar and persistent geopolitical risks (including tariffs) make it that there is no end in sight for the precious metals rally to continue. ASA Gold, which invests largely in junior mining companies, is up more than 100 perce
John Cole Scott on when CEFs have the edge over ETFs
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, acknowledges how many consumers shy away from closed-end funds, fearing complexity or an investment type they don't fully understand. The chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance would obviously favor closed-end funds, but he sizes up situations where a closed-end fund and an ETF or a fund-of-funds cover the same asset class and why he would ch
NAVigator bonus: CEF Advisors' Scott on picking and managing funds
In this interview from the "Money Life with Chuck Jaffe" podcast, John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, discusses his "trifecta analysis" of closed-end funds and how he will frequently add or drop funds to take advantage of market conditions and make the most of tax circumstances, capturing incremental gains and minimizing incremental losses to squeeze the client's desired result in their po
Tortoise's Thummel says it's 'the best time i've ever seen' for energy investing
Rob Thummel, Senior Portfolio Manager at Tortoise Capital, says that this is "the best time I have ever seen" in a three-decade career to be investing in energy. Thummel, who manages Tortoise Energy Infrastructure, notes that the U.S. has grown into the largest energy producer and energy exporter in the world, but that it now needs expanded infrastructure to build on that leadership position. More
XA's Flynn on how crypto, private equity will impact retirement-savings plans
Kimberly Flynn, President at XA Investments, discusses the recent executive order signed by President Trump that allows a dramatic expansion of alternative assets to be part of 401(k) and other retirement plans. While the headlines have made it seem like crypto bros will blow up their retirement plans with alternatives, Flynn discusses how many firms running life-cycle and target-date funds may de
Oppenheimer's Penn: 'Fairly valued' BDCs
Mitchel Penn, Managing Director of Equity Research for Oppenheimer & Co., says that business-development companies are now "fairly valued" by the market, which means that their biggest potential gains for the remainder of the year will come from simply capturing dividend payouts. In 2026, with the industry likely facing interest rate cuts, BDCs will see their return on equity shrink in line with r
Calamos' Freund expects 4 rate cuts in a year, creating wider discounts
Matt Freund, Co-Chief Investment Officer at Calamos Investments, expects the Federal Reserve to make "a couple of cuts this year, followed by two or three cuts next year," and that those moves will be made while inflation stays at current levels or rise slightly. With those cuts, Freund thinks there will be a steepening yield curve, around 3 percent, creating more opportunities. Freund, whose team
A battle over closed-end activism is now awaiting a Supreme Court decision
Kenneth Burdon, an attorney with Simpson Thacher and Bartlett, discusses the court case between Saba Capital and four closed-end fund sponsors that has wound its way to the U.S. Supreme Court and that is expected to force a change in the tactics of the industry's most prominent activist investor or in the way management companies protect themselves against aggressive shareholder actions. Saba cha
CEF Advisors' Scott on the realities and mirages of double-digit yields
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors and Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, digs into his firm's data to look at how many categories of closed-end funds are delivering double-digit yields now, in some cases doubling the average payouts in the underlying asset class. He talks about judging how real the big payouts are, and which areas of the market are delivering the best com
Aberdeen's Akus on the struggles facing healthcare, biotech investors
Jason Akus, Head of Healthcare Investing for Aberdeen Investments, says that current conditions for healthcare and biotech investing are making for "one of the most challenging, difficult and dislocated environments I've seen." While trades in technology, artificial intelligence and the Magnificent Seven stocks have driven the stock market back to record-high levels, Akus notes that healthcare has
Veteran manager says volatile market has stress-tested 'discount-capture investing'
Rob Shaker, Portfolio Manager of Shaker Financial Services, discusses "discount-capture investing," and how the market's wild moves around tariff announcements this year made the strategy particularly sensitive to the emotional changes of investors. Shaker says the overall trend for 2025 has been a "generic narrowing" of discounts — by roughly 2 percent on equities and 1 percent on fixed income —
John Cole Scott on the assets he expects to thrive for the rest of '25
John Cole Scott, President of CEF Advisors, discusses how three areas that lagged during a strong first half of 2025 — municipal bonds, senior loans and master limited partnerships — are poised to be leading categories among closed-end funds for the remainder of the year. Scott, the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, picks out funds that he thinks are poised for a good run in each
Trinity's Brown: Near-shoring, interest rates and more are boons for private credit
Kyle Brown, chief executive officer at Trinity Capital, sees the private-credit boom continuing, in part fueled by government efforts to generate business gains in the United States. That has created a new wave of capital expenditures — and a 20 percent year-to-date increase in demand for private credit — that is likely to power the private lenders for the foreseeable future. For Trinity, the comp
Allspring's Schueller says this 'muddle-through economy' is good for junk bonds
Mike Schueller, Co-Manager of the Allspring Income Opportunities fund, says that high-yield bonds are poised to be steady performers through the current wave of headline risks and market uncertainty because the economy is solid enough that there's no reason to expect a spike in defaults. With the potential for recession "having receded into the background," he's expecting a "muddle-through economy
Your questions answered with John Cole Scott of Closed-End Fund Advisors
John Cole Scott, President of Closed-End Fund Advisors — the Chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance — answers listener questions about whether premiums and returns of capital are as bad for investors as they are often cracked up to be, on whether interval funds are worth the illiquidity risk and if the reasons why individuals buy closed-end funds means they are better used as short-ter
Bonus NAVigator: Gladstone's Bob Marcotte at the AICA BDC Forum
Bob Marcotte, President at Gladstone Capital Corp., says that government policies which encourage business investment and capital expenditures are creating outstanding conditions for the private credit market. In an interview at the Active Investment Company Alliance BDC Forum in New York City, Marcotte said that Gladstone is "very bullish" on the likely capital-expenditure cycle being spurred by
Bonus NAVigator: Oppenheimer's Penn is watching how credit losses weigh on BDCs
Mitchel Penn, Managing Director at Oppenheimer & Co. — interviewed at the Active Investment Company Alliance BDC Forum in New York on Wednesday — says that credit losses for business development companies during the first quarter of 2025 were more than double the level they have been at for the last few years. Penn says some of that increase could be attributed to the market's reaction to governme
How a BDC industry advocate shapes policies in Washington
Tonnie Wybensinger, Head of Government Relations for the Small Business Investors Association — interviewed at the AICA BDC Forum in New York on June 11 — discusses the role that lobbyists play in the legislative process and how current efforts to improve the tax treatment of business-development companies, as well as to level the playing field with mutual funds when calculating expense ratios for
Calamos' Grant on getting equity-like returns without market correlation
Michael Grant, Co-Chief Investment Officer at Calamos Investments — Co-Manager of the Calamos Long/Short Equity & Dynamic Income Trust — says that current market conditions have made it that bonds are no longer a natural working hedge for equities downturns, and the downside risk in terms of capital return can be greater in the bond market than in stocks. He notes that investors are over-exposed t
John Cole Scott on whether "the best funds" live up to their billing
John Cole Scott, president of Closed-End Fund Advisors — the chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance — discusses two mainstream media articles that purported to name "the best closed-end funds" and that were published right around the times when he appeared on The NAVigator and gave out his own investment suggestions; he digs into the data to compare how all of the suggestions turned ou
Nuveen's Griggs: In turbulent markets, small portfolio tweaks have big impacts
Brian Griggs, head of portfolio strategy and solutions at Nuveen, says that investors have long had too much dependence on large-cap domestic stocks and an over-reliance on duration in fixed-income allocations, and he says that investors should address those pain points today to address macro-sensitivity caused by today's headlines. Using Nuveen's Nsights anaytical tool — a proprietary system that
CION's Gatto on how private markets have weathered tumultuous markets
Mark Gatto, co-founder and co-chief executive officer at CION Investment Group, says that private investments have been weathering current storms better than public companies because illiquidity translates to stability in times when the market is volatile. Gatto says these markets have highlighted what private investments do well, which should boost their attractiveness moving forward, with height
Aberdeen's Kohl: Dividends offer some certainty amid tariff uncertainty
Andrew Kohl, a Portfolio Manager with Aberdeen Investments — part of the team running the firm's Total Dynamic Dividend and Global Dynamic Dividend funds — says dividend-paying stocks are not immune from tariff concerns, and while investors often pick them for the income and don't want to make too many changes, it's important to to watch how the underlying business will be impacted by current cond
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