The Moses Kabandana Podcast
Welcome to The Moses Kabandana Podcast where I hold conversations that are worth having. I bring on experts from various fields to dive deep into their expertise and share their insights with you. I believe that knowledge is meant to be shared, and that's exactly what I'm aiming to accomplish. From business leaders and yoga teachers, to tech gurus and sex therapists, I explore ideas and provide you - the listener - with valuable takeaways that you can apply to your own life. Join me in this life-long learning journey.
Episodes
Thank You For Listening To This Podcast
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Thank you for listening to my podcast.
The Power of Proximity in Entrepreneurship - Arias WebsterBerry
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. An amazing conversation with Arias about business building and mindset.
Connect with the Arias here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariasweb/
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Perfectionism is Hurting You - Stephan Szugat
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. In this conversation, we explore Stephan's journey from martial arts to business coaching, emphasizing the importance of testing products early, understanding market demand, and avoiding perfectionism in product development.
Connect with the Stephan here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephanszugat/
I hope you've lear
A Near-Death Experience - Wendy Rose Williams
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Listen with me as @WendyRoseWilliams tells her near-death experiences.
Connect with Wendy here: https://wakingupspiritually.com/
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
The Realities of Coaching - Laura Berman Fortgang
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Laura Berman-Fortgang shares her journey from being an actress to becoming a successful career and executive coach.
Connect with the guest here:
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
The Art of Improv: Embracing Chaos - Parker Dean
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. In this episode, Parker and I discuss the importance of improv in communication for analytical thinkers.
Connect with Parker here:
https://www.instagram.com/theparkerdean/
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
A Case Against Veganism - Nigel O'Quinn
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. In this episode, Nigel and I touch on the importance of real food, particularly organ meats, in achieving optimal health.
Connect with Nigel here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nigeloquinn
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
The Mindset You Need to Advance Your Career - Ivete Moraes
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This episode is all about the transformative power of mindset in career development.
Connect with Ivete here:
https://ivetemoraes.com
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Living in the Present - Denise Thistlewaite
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Together, we discuss the impact of a silent retreat on mental health and approach to stress, emphasizing the importance of metacognition and living in the present.
Connect with Denise here:
https://denisethistlewaite.com
@AnEnlightenedLife
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Moving towards a Decentralized World - Roberto Capodieci
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. In this conversation with Roberto Capodieci, we talk about cross-cultural experiences, decentralization, exploring its implications for communication, content creation, and the future of technology
Connect with Roberto here:
https://capodieci.com/bio-selector.html
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Aligning Childhood Passion with Career - Ben Passman
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Ben Passman about the pursuit of childhood passions and career in adulthood.
Learn more about Ben here:
http://www.dreamjobequation.com
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Becoming A Leader Through The Lens of Human Resources - Tenia Davis
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Tania Davis on become on a leader.
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Connect with Tenia: https://www.theleadershipwise.com
Running A Business, Marriage & Children - Austin Holmes
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Here's my conversation with Austin Holmes about responsibility, leadership.
Austin is CEO of Signal Raptor
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
He Lost 77 Pounds by Changing his Diet - Olivier Mankind
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Olivier Mankind about his journey from being obese to healthy(er) through a plant-based diet.Learn more abut Olivier:https://oliviermankondo.com
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Overcoming Dyslexia and Trauma - Ellen Busch
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Ellen Busch. She shares her journey of overcoming dyslexia and trauma, detailing the challenges she faced in her early education, the impact of bullying on her self-esteem, and the support she received from her parents.
Connect with Ellen: https://www.ellenbusch.com
I hope you've learn
Change Your Mindset, Change Your Life - Mayim Vega
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Here's my conversation with Mayim Vega on the importance of perseverance, parenthood and personal development.
Connect with Mayim here:
- www.arukah.com
- youtube.com/arukah
- instagram.com/arukah
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
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You Are Not All That You Could Be - Alan Lazaros
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This conversation is about hard work, resilience and character construction.
Guest: Alan Lazaros - Next Level University
Find Purpose & Passion in Your Work - Brandon Mathews
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. In this conversation, we dive into the significance of finding purpose and passion in one's work, avoiding burnout, and redefining success.
Connect with Brandon here: brandonmatthews.com
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Sustainable Weight Loss and Mental Health - Blaqamore Hampton
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Here's my conversation with Blaqamore Hampton on weight loss and mental health.
Learn more about Blaqamore here: blaqamore.com
The Hidden Power of Intuition - Dena Paduano
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Here's my conversation with Dana about Intuition and the importance of listening to that quiet voice within.
Connect with Dena here: https://denapaduano.com
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
The Unknown Truths of Massage Therapy Blanca Rodrigues
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Blanca Rodrigues on the importance of touch.Connect with Blanca here: https://www.woundedhealer.us
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Professional Networking Tips From an Expert - Michael Forman
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Michael Forman about the importance and best practices of networking.
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Find Michael here: www.MichaelAForman.com
Balancing Love and Forgiveness | Cindi Buckley
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. My conversation with Cindi Buckley about love versus fear.
Cindi's Website: https://cindibuckley.com/
I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Expert Tips on Thriving in Podcasting with James Mulvany
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. This conversation with @JamesMulvanyTV is all about podcasting and best practices to thrive as a podcaster.
Find James here: Jamesm.com
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I hope you've learned as much as I did.
My Early Childhood Dreams and Nightmares
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. These are two of my childhood dreams and nightmares.
I hope you've learned something from this.
Equipment that I use
Camera (Sony ZV-E10) - https://amzn.to/3UJAu5a
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Lens (Sony - FE 50mm F1.8 ) - https://amzn.to/49KDH90
Lens ( Sigma 30mm f/1.4 DC DN ) - https://
He rode his bike around the world. These are the lessons he learned.
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. Here's my conversation with Chris Donaldson about the lessons that he learned while riding his motorcycle around the world.I hope you've learned as much as I did.
Chris Donaldson's info:www.chrisdonaldson.worldFacebook: @Goingthewrongway.bookInstagram: @Goingthewronglway_book
His book: https://amzn.to/3RT
Traveling As A Vehicle for Personal Growth
In this conversation we discuss our love for travel and the benefits it brings. We talk about our backgrounds, experiences living in different countries, and passion for learning languages. The main theme of the episode is the role of travel in personal growth.
Enjoy my conversation with Alex Veka!
I'm Leaving for 6 Weeks
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. There will be no new episodes for the next 6 weeks but you'll continue to see short clips from previous episodes. Thank you :)
The Challenges He Faced Starting A Podcast
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, where conversations worth having are had. CJ and I talk about what it takes to start a podcast this year. As a new podcaster he's right in the thick of it. It was a fruitful conversation.
How To Travel Around The World Cheaply
Join me in this conversation with Linda King as she shares some tips and tricks on how to travel around the world cheaply.
Are We Keeping Men from Being Men?
My conversation with Andre focused on the dynamics between men and women in relationships. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast, I hope you've learned as much as I did in this conversation.
Andre's email: andrecoaching1@gmail.com
Andre's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/projectequinox/
Travel Myths! Unveiling The Adaptability Mindset for Digital Nomads
In this episode, I interview Michael Reinhart about his cross-cultural experiences and adaptability. Michael shares stories from his travels, including his first adventure in Mexico, his experiences in Guatemala, and his upcoming trip to Morocco. We touch on the importance of learning local languages and the misconceptions that Americans and people from other countries may have about each other. R
He Played Music All Over The World. Here's What He Learned | Jonathan Taylor
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Jonathan Taylor. Here are some takeaways: 1) Be open to new experiences and cultures. 2) Life is unpredictable, and it's important to appreciate every moment and live life to the fullest. 3) When faced with difficult situations, choose compass
She Studied at Harvard and Now She's Spreading The Power Of Gratitude | Bracha Goetz
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Here're some of the take aways from this conversation: 1) Gratitude is a transformative practice that brings joy. 2) Forgiveness and letting go of resentment are essential for cultivating gratitude. 3) Introspection and understanding our spiritual hunger are key to overco
Overcoming Obstacles, Staying Curious and Flying Planes | Pat Wetzel
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. These are the takeaways from my conversation with Pat Wetzel: 1. Stay curious and step out of your comfort zone and embrace other experiences. This can lead to personal growth and wisdom. 2. Curiosity is a powerful tool for personal development and can lead to unexpected passions and pursuits. 3. Meditation and reflect
Monetize Your Knowledge and Making Podcasts | Jeanne Omlor
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In this conversation, Jean Omlor and I discuss about her experience and expertise in online coaching and maximizing online sales without ads. We touch on the importance of organic growth and the misconceptions people have about creating an online business. We also dive deep a
Finding Freedom, Rewiring Trauma & Achieving Goals | Asha Wilkerson
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In this conversation, Asha Wilkerson and I discusses her journey from being an attorney to becoming a healer and life coach. She shares her experiences with therapy and healing modalities, highlighting the importance of rewiring past traumas. We also explore the concepts of f
Improving Men's Health, Coming to the US & Becoming a Model | Gil Soares
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Gil Soares shares his journey from a small village in Portugal to becoming an international model and starting a business that focuses on men's health. The conversation covers technical difficulties, the challenges and rewards of modeling, misconceptions about the industr
2024 Career Tips, Job Searching & Success | Zena Contreras
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In this conversation, Zena, a career coach and recruiter, shares insights and advice on job hunting, career coaching, and resume design. She discusses the impact of mass layoffs and how to deal with all kinds of rejection. She also emphasizes the importance of building relati
The Power of Meditation: How Meditation Can Help You Reach Your Goals
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Dr. Brett specializes in helping athletes and entrepreneurs achieve their peak performance. Overall, this conversation provides valuable insights into the benefits of meditation and how it can be used to improve all aspects of life.
Afro-Pantheology, Writing Books and Telling Stories | Oghenechovwe Ekpeki
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Oghenechovwe Ekpeki, is an author who specializes in Afro-Pantheology and science fiction. We discuss Ekpeki's inspiration for writing, the creative process, and the misconceptions about writing a book. We also dive into the concept of Afro-Pantheology and how it intersec
Grow Your Business While Traveling The World And Learning Languages | Faris Aranki
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Faris Aranki about his life, travels, and his work in bringing emotional intelligence to strategy.
We discuss the benefits of speaking English while traveling, the power of learning languages, and the challenges of implementing solutions in busi
This 24yr Old Built Systems That Changed His Life | Daniel Hauge
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Daniel's passion for helping others stems from his personal experience of seeing the transformative power of personal development.
Understanding Brand Identity In 2024 | Tom Conlon
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This conversation underlines the importance of having a plan, being different, and rolling with the punches to thrive in the ever-changing digital world.
Stop Hustling; Start Living: The Art Of Simplicity | Jermane Cheathem
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In the relentless pursuit for success, many entrepreneurs fall prey to the hustle culture, sacrificing their well-being for the sake of their ventures. But there’s a better way. Join us as we discuss the different ways to unshackle from the relentless hustle, and embark on a
From Modeling to Financial Coaching | Brad Jarryd
Fellow citizen of the internet, this is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Today's conversation with Brad Jarryd is all about financial health and wellbeing.
IG: https://www.instagram.com/iambradleyjarryd/
Another IG: https://www.instagram.com/10gilsoares/
America Needs Therapy; You Do Too | Phyllis E. Leavitt
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Today's conversation is all about therapy: The importance of it, the misconceptions that we have about it, and how to best navigate the complexities of this thing that we call life. I hope your learn something from our conversation.
Let's Talk Business (Do You Have The Mindset?) | Darren Brown
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In this episode I ask Darren all about creating businesses in different countries. Throughout the conversation we exchange ideas on the best practices for a successful business and life. Darren’s Intagram - https://www.instagram.com/darrenbond007
A Conversation With A Former SWAT Team Hostage Negotiator | Terry Tucker
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Here's my conversation with Terry Tucker, a former SWAT Team Hostage Negotiator. In this episode we touch on the importance of building and maintaining trust.
You Should Visualize Your Own Success | Daniel Gomez
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Daniel Gomez about inspiration, career growth and the importance of visualizing your own success.
@danielgomezinspires
How To Improve Your Relationships and Intimacy | Sharlene Halbert
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Here's my conversation with Sharlene Halbert, a relationship and intimacy coach. I hope you find this conversation useful and helpful.
Starting A Podcast In 2024 - Too Late? | Kevin Palmieri
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having, are had. In this episode Kevin and I aim to address what it takes to start a podcast. It might feel like it's too late to start a podcast, or it might seem like it's incredibly difficult...which it is, but maybe not in the ways that you think. Kevin and I share some hints on what it
Manhood: Overcoming Adversity with David Kitchen
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In this episode, kitch and I talk about the challenges that come with forging one's character.
Diabetes: Everything You Know About It Is Wrong!?!
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In this episode, I have a conversation with Chet Galaska about diabetes. The little that I thought I knew about diabetes turns out to be wrong. This was a fruitful conversation. I hope you learn as much as I did.
How To Set and Achieve Your Goals | Yazz-E
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. Yazz-E is the host of Beyond 6 Figures Podcast. He's a wise young man eager to share with us some tips and tricks on how to set our goals and achieve them.
How To End Generational Trauma | Suzy Hanson
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In this episode, I have fruitful conversation with Suzy Hanson about generational trauma. She shares with me how she overcame the struggles in her life and the lessons she's learned from past. Listen to Suzy’s podcast:
Linktr.ee/itsgoingpodcast
Positive Psychology | Reneau Peurifoy
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This is my conversation with Reneau Peurifoy about the three things that positive psychology has identified that leads to happiness.
A Conversation About NUMEROLOGY With Dr. Craig E. Wright
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This is a conversation with Dr. Craig E. Wright about Numerology. Admittedly, I knew basically nothing about this topic before our conversation and there's a lot more that I still don't know. Regardless, this was a fruitful conversation. Enjoy.
Healing From A Toxic Relationship | Karol Shepelskaya
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having take place. This is a conversation with Karol Shepelskaya about breaking the cycle from toxic relationships. We discuss the process of healing and what it takes to overcome these traumatic tragedies. Karol Shepelskaya’s Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJyyHhSMs4BVQOJ86wAfDCA
This Is Why You Should Travel and Work Abroad | Richard Blank
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This is a conversation with Richard Blank about his and my experience traveling and working abroad.
Beating Cancer and The Power of Fitness
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having, are had. In this episode, fitzness walks us through the importance of fitness and the impact that it had throughout her journey with cancer. We also discuss the importance of good/adequate nutrition and it's impact on our health.
Artificial Intelligence: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. The following is a conversation with Pete Sena about Artificial Intelligence. ChatGPT, AI, Machine Learning...these are some of today's buzzwords. But what is artificial intelligence? In this video we talk about blockchain, cryptocurrency, quantum computing and more. The goal of this conversation is to increase awa
Three Ways to Change Your Mindset
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This is a conversation with Paul Croswell, a mindset coach. I hope you find this as helpful as I did.
Daniel Dluzneski: Expert's Guide to School Safety
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. In his book, Daniel discusses strategies for preventing and mitigating school shootings. He, a former Secret Service member, claims that most school shootings occur within the first five minutes, emphasizing the importance of quick response.
He breaks down specific lockdown
The Hidden Power Of Spontaneity
Fellow citizen of the internet, This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where I hold conversations worth having. This episode is about learning the hidden power of spontaneity.
Taking Chances: Easier Said Than Done. Now Is The Time! - recorded 05/07/23
*Video was recorded 05/07/'23* Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. We often talk about taking risks and taking chances but how often are we actually putting that into practice? This was a short video that I made while waiting to get on a flight - the point I was trying to get across is that I'm taking a
Karl Pierre - Living Abroad, Entrepreneurship And Being A Pilot
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast - Where conversations worth having are had. This was a fruitful conversation with ENTPLIFE's Karl Pierre, who is an established entrepreneur, a pilot and a world traveler. Enjoy this conversation and may you walk away having learned a thing or two.
ADHD And The Power Of Perseverance - With Ross Barrington
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. I had the pleasure to hold a conversation with my friend Ross Barrington about ADHD and what it takes to persevere in life. This is only a conversation between two friends and should not be taken as a medical advice. This is The Moses Kabandana Podcast.
Flat Earth, UFOs and Jesus: With Daniel Dyer.
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. The following is a conversation with Daniel Dyer. The purpose of this conversation was to listen. In this episode we discussed about Flat Earth, UFOs and Daniel's faith in Jesus. I hope you walk away having learned a thing or two.
From Refugee Camp to University. Work Ethic - Janvier Irafasha
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is a conversation with my friend Janvier Irafasha. On this episode, we walk through Janvier's timeline. From War, to refugee camp, and finally to the United States. Janvier is an incredibly hard-working young man and great role model to follow.
Social Media: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly: with Professor Kathi Groenendyk
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This is a conversation with Calvin University Strategic Communication Professor, Kathi Groenendyk! This episode is intended to expand my knowledge on the best practices of social media use.
My Earliest Memories... Part 3
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This episode is about two of my earliest memories. *One of the story is a repeat🤦🏾♂️*. This is part 3 in this series. By sharing these memories, I hope that you too can travel back in time and revisit your past.
A Conversation With My German Brother: Niklas Ruch
Fellow citizen of the internet, Moses here. This episode is a conversation with my german brother: Niklas Ruch. I hope you learn a thing or two as you listen to this conversation.
My Earliest Memories...Part 2
Hello there fellow fellow citizens of the internet, welcome to the second part of my journey down memory lane. I'm sharing my earliest memories with you, so tune in and take a listen.
My Earliest Memories...Part 1
Hello there fellow citizens of the internet. Today's episode takes us on a trip down memory lane. I'm sharing some of my earliest memories with you. There's a lot to laugh about and look back on, so join me as I take a trip into my distant past.
Life After the Military - Taylor Doorn
Hello there fellow citizens of the internet, welcome to my podcast. On this episode I have the pleasure to talk with my good friend Taylor Doorn. The focus of this episode will be on his journey into the army, his experience during the army, and his life after the army. We talk about great memories we share from high school and other anecdotes that I'm sure you'll enjoy listening to. Thank you for
Coming To America - With Gael Uwera
Hello there fellow citizens of the internet, welcome to my podcast. On this episode I have the pleasure to talk with my brother-from-another-mother, Gael Uwera. We discuss about our experiences coming to America. Listen in to find out what challenges and cultural barriers we faced when we first came to the United States.
Introduction: A Little About Myself
Hello there fellow citizens of the Internet, my name is Moses Kabandana. Welcome to the Moses Kabandana podcast! This is an introductory episode and it is a little bit about myself. In this episode I talk about where I was born, where I grew up, a little bit above my upbringing and when I came to the United States. You can find my podcast on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Make sure you follow this po
