Revenue Builders
Revenue Builders is a weekly B2B sales podcast hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management co-founder John Kaplan. The show features interviews with sales leaders and executives, discussing best practices for scaling and growing a business, as well as pitfalls to avoid. It offers tangible takeaways and insights from experienced professionals in the sales industry.
Episodes
AI Selling Rewards Curiosity | Workflow Discovery with Seong Park
AI adoption has changed the standard for go-to-market execution. Seong Park, SVP of Customer Support & Services at Cursor, explains why the old model of selling certainty is giving way to curiosity, experimentation, and workflow discovery. He breaks down why the real work starts after signature, why pilots only matter if they lead to business-critical adoption, and how revenue leaders can guide cu
How to Hire Better Salespeople Than Yourself and Lead Them to Win
Michelle Bove didn't start in enterprise software – she started as a soccer referee in seventh grade, hustling for an extra $10 per game, then moved into door-to-door sales at a three-person startup where she learned rejection quickly and loved it even more. That hunger never left. Today, as an AVP of East Sales at Wiz, she's built her career at some of the sharpest sales cultures in software hist
The SNL Lesson on Talent and Fit with Lindsay Shookus
High-performing teams create the conditions for talent to succeed. In this Revenue Builders segment, Lindsay Shookus shares lessons from Saturday Night Live on cultural fit, team buy-in, trust, and performance under pressure. Drawing from examples of SNL talent who found success in different environments, Lindsay explains why fit often determines whether strong people can thrive inside a specific
Reps Who Skip the Story Lose the Deal with Rob Potter
Most sales conversations still lean on product specs, and most leadership still gets reduced to quota math, until the market gets hard and both approaches break down. Rob Potter, CEO of Oomnitza, joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to argue that revenue and retention run on the same fuel: story, evidence, and belief rather than pressure. Shaped by three decades under RSA and EMC leaders like Art Co
Why Great Sellers Hold the Line in Discovery with Stuart Gwynn
Enterprise sellers often lose deal quality by moving too quickly from customer pain to product answers. In this Revenue Builders minisode, Stuart Gwynn of MongoDB explains why the best sellers slow down in discovery, hold the line with the customer, and use disciplined qualification to determine whether a problem is real, urgent, and worth solving. Stuart shares how pipeline creates the courage to
The Hard Moments That Build a CEO with Mark Thurmond
Senior leaders are often judged in moments they could not plan for. Mark Thurmond’s path from sales rep to co-CEO of Tenable was built through consistent execution, difficult operating assignments, and crises that demanded calm before certainty. He explains what the RSA breach taught him about transparency and customer trust, how he and Steve Vintz kept Tenable moving after the death of CEO Amit Y
Where AI Is Actually Working in Revenue Teams with Alex Bilmes
In this clip, Alex Bilmes, CEO of Endgame, joins Revenue Builders to share what his team learned from analyzing more than 30,000 real AI workflows across go-to-market teams. The data shows AI gaining traction in account intelligence, conversation readiness, deal acceleration, pipeline inspection, and team enablement. But the larger lesson is that the strongest teams are not just using AI to genera
Why Partner Leaders Must Master the AI Landscape to Win Hyperscaler Partnerships with Alan Chhabra
AI partnerships are no longer won by managing a channel or securing a marketplace listing. Leaders must understand how countries, power, cooling, chip fabrication, hyperscalers, model providers, software companies, and enterprise risk fit together before they can build an effective partner strategy. Returning to Revenue Builders, Alan Chhabra explains how Cerebras navigated the technical and polit
How Elite Performers Manage Pressure Before the Moment with Dr. Michael Gervais
High-pressure sales moments test a leader’s ability to stay composed, present, and clear when the outcome matters. In this minisode, Dr. Michael Gervais explains how elite performers manage activation before critical moments, from major buyer meetings to executive presentations. He breaks down the difference between useful nerves and disruptive anxiety, then outlines the mental skills that help le
Training for Pressure with Greg Poss
Pressure does not create a response. It exposes the response that has already been trained. Former professional hockey coach and mental strength coach Greg Poss returns to explain how leaders can recognize fear-driven reactions, return to a more deliberate state, and build resilience before the stakes rise. Greg, John McMahon, and John Kaplan examine why external achievement delivers only temporar
Why Deals Die Inside the 10-Yard Line with Randy Riemersma
Late-stage deals can appear secure once the buyer has accepted the product and the business case, but that is often when the risk feels most personal. In today’s segment, Randy Riemersma explains why deals inside the final 10 yards are won or lost on buyer confidence and how elite sellers remove doubt through executive alignment, credible proof points, consistent communication with the champion, a
How Great Sales Leaders Turn Instinct Into a System with Frederik Maris
Sales organizations stall when knowledge stays trapped in the heads of a few experienced people. In this Revenue Builders replay, Frederik Maris explains how leaders turn field experience into repeatable execution through sharper qualification, stronger frontline management, and deliberate coaching. He shares how conscious competence helps managers teach what top performers do instinctively, why e
Why Outbound Phone Still Wins When Selling Gets Hard with Greg Casale
Automation has increased sales activity while reducing effectiveness, as AI-driven outreach floods the market and drives conversion rates down. In this segment, Greg Casale explains why outbound phone calling remains a critical channel for pipeline generation, especially in complex B2B environments where live conversations create immediate learning and engagement. He outlines the discipline requir
Why Fast Growth is a Pipeline to Expose Weak Sales Organizations with Chad Peets and Chris Degnan
Building a great sales organization has always been difficult, and the pace of AI has only raised the stakes. Chad Peets and Chris Degnan join John McMahon and John Kaplan to share what they're seeing as founders race to build go-to-market teams in one of the fastest-moving markets in software. They discuss why companies overhire, how leaders should evaluate revenue quality, what separates "patrio
What AI Agents Mean for How You Build and Sell Software with Brian McCarthy
Today’s conversation features Brian McCarthy, President of Global Revenue and Field Operations at Cursor and former CRO at Rubrik, where he helped scale the business from $118 million to $1.5 billion in ARR. In this segment, Brian breaks down the rapid evolution of AI in software development, from simple code autocomplete to fully autonomous agent-driven environments, and what that shift means for
The Hidden Cost of False Velocity with Randy Riemersma
Many stalled deals do not fail because the solution is weak. They fail because the team moved too fast before the buyer had a reason to care, a sponsor willing to mobilize, and enough confidence to take the risk. Randy Riemersma joins John McMahon and John Kaplan to unpack how false velocity, shallow discovery, and weak executive alignment create fragile opportunities that collapse late. He explai
AI Is Redefining Seller Productivity with Alex Varel
Seller productivity is being redefined in real time, and the divide is no longer about effort or experience. In this segment, Alex Varel shares a grounded look at how AI is already reshaping the role, from a RevOps leader training multiple agents in a single weekend to the expectation that sellers will augment their own output. The conversation highlights a growing reality for revenue teams: those
How Revenue Leaders Scale Beyond Hero Sellers with Jason Forget, CRO Behind Multiple Startup-to-Scale Journeys
Revenue growth becomes harder to sustain when leadership relies on a handful of top performers, inconsistent processes, or reactive decision-making. Jason Forget, President and CRO of Cockroach Labs, shares lessons from building revenue organizations from the earliest startup stages through large-scale growth, explaining why sales motions must continuously evolve as companies scale. The conversati
You Can’t Delegate Sales Early with Lou Shipley
In this minisode, we hear from Lou Shipley, a three-time CEO, Harvard Business School professor, and author who has spent his career building and scaling venture-backed companies. This clip focuses on a critical mistake early-stage founders make: delegating sales before they truly understand the problem they’re solving. Lou walks through how he validated a company by getting directly in front of c
Selling Enterprise AI with Context, Adoption, and Measurable ROI with Daniel Simon
Enterprise AI buying has moved quickly, but durable adoption still depends on context, security, workflow fit, and measurable business impact. Daniel Simon, Enterprise Account Executive at Glean, joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to discuss what it takes to sell AI in complex enterprise environments, why multi-threading matters more when buyers are evaluating broad organizational change, and how
High LTV Isn’t Enough: The ICP Tradeoff Leaders Miss with Dan Sperring
In this today’s segment, Dan Sperring, founder and CEO of Align ICP, breaks down a mistake most revenue leaders make when defining their ideal customer profile. The instinct is to chase the highest lifetime value customers, but those segments are often the hardest to win, the slowest to close, and the first to break when the market shifts. This clip focuses on how to balance three critical factors
The Real Sale Starts After Signature | Proving Value in AI and Consumption Models with Seong Park
Consumption pricing and AI adoption are forcing revenue teams to prove value faster, with less room to hide behind contracts, pilots, or broad technical promises. Seong Park, Senior Vice President of Customer Support and Services at Cursor, joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to examine how customer success has become a consultative, technical, and commercial function in modern go-to-market. The co
Humility & The Art of Letting Go with Doug Holladay
Doug Holladay shares a powerful personal story of forgiving someone he resented for 35 years after an unexpected encounter at a college reunion, emphasizing that forgiveness is fundamentally about personal work rather than the actions of others. He discusses the distinction between forgiveness and reconciliation, stressing the importance of releasing expectations for perfect apologies and instead
How Saturday Night Live Builds Teams That Perform Under Pressure with Lindsay Shookus
High-performing teams need trust before the pressure hits. Lindsay Shookus spent 20 years at Saturday Night Live, including 10 years as a producer, where every week required a team of writers, cast members, celebrity hosts, musicians, producers, and crew to create a live show in six days. In this conversation, Lindsay joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to share what SNL taught her about building t
John McMahon on Building a Better SKO
Sales kickoffs can become expensive calendar events if leaders are not clear on what the gathering is meant to accomplish. In this Revenue Builders replay, John McMahon shares his perspective on how CEOs and CROs should think about SKOs, from motivating the sales force and aligning teams around company goals to delivering training that actually prepares reps to execute. He also explains why peer-t
The Discipline Behind Nine-Figure Deals with Stuart Gwynn
Enterprise sales breaks down when teams confuse activity with progress, champions with coaches, or product interest with business urgency. Stuart Gwynn, a top-performing enterprise seller at MongoDB, joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to unpack what separates disciplined enterprise execution from deal chasing. Drawing from his path from SDR at Pure Storage to closing the largest deal in MongoDB hi
How the Best Sellers Think Differently with Sahir Azam
Today’s episode features Sahir Azam, Partner at Index Ventures and former Chief Product Officer at MongoDB, where he helped scale Atlas into a multi-billion-dollar platform. This conversation breaks down what actually separates top enterprise sellers, from intellectual curiosity to resource orchestration, and why those traits alone aren’t enough without leadership building the right operating mode
Revenue per Employee Is the New Endgame with Alex Bilmes
Revenue leaders are under increasing pressure to grow without adding headcount at the same rate, and AI is forcing a deeper conversation about productivity, consistency, governance, and organizational design. Alex Bilmes, CEO of Endgame, joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to discuss what his team learned from analyzing more than 30,000 real AI workflows across go-to-market teams. The conversation
Why Consumption Pricing Makes Forecasting Harder with Devavrat Shah
Consumption pricing puts pressure on the forecast in places traditional SaaS models rarely exposed. Total usage may be easier to model from the CFO’s seat, but the field still has to answer harder questions: which customer, which channel, which rep, and when. In this replay segment, Devavrat Shah explains how AI can help teams learn across cohorts, spot patterns in uneven data, and create more tru
Training the Mind for High-Stakes Sales: How FOPO Hurts Executive Presence with Dr. Michael Gervais
High-stakes sales puts pressure on the mind before it tests the deal strategy. Reps and leaders have to stay present through judgment, rejection, complex stakeholders, and the weight of the number. Dr. Michael Gervais joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to unpack FOPO, the fear of other people’s opinions, and its impact on executive presence, listening, trust, and decision-making. Drawing from his
The New Standard for Sales Coaching in the AI Era with Marcy Stoudt
In this segment, Marcy Stoudt, Founder of Revel Companies, breaks down how AI is changing one of the most important responsibilities in sales leadership: coaching. This conversation focuses on a simple but critical shift. For years, managers struggled to observe real customer interactions and give meaningful feedback at scale. With AI, that constraint is gone. At the same time, leaders are dealing
How to Build a Predictable Pipeline Engine Without Sales Heroics with Greg Casale
Pipeline generation breaks down when sales organizations rely on individual performance instead of building controlled, repeatable systems. In this episode, Greg Casale shares how his background in engineering shaped a system-first approach to sales, applying principles of process control, data capture, and structured training to reduce variability and improve consistency. The conversation explore
Why Strategic Account Selling Still Comes Down to Value and Alignment with Jane Thompson
Strategic accounts expose where most sales approaches break down, especially when technical capability fails to connect to enterprise-wide value. In this replay segment, Jane Thompson unpacks what it actually takes to navigate complex, multi-division organizations, from building aligned champions to translating solutions into outcomes that matter at the board level. The conversation highlights why
How AI Is Rewriting the Sales Playbook and Raising the Bar on Human Performance with Alex Varel
AI is shifting from model development to real-world usage, exposing a new bottleneck that most sales teams are not prepared to understand or sell against. As inference speed, memory bandwidth, and infrastructure become the true differentiators, traditional software playbooks begin to break down. Alex Varel joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to unpack what it takes to sell in this new environment,
Why Pipeline Generation Fails Before the First Call with Christopher Vick
Today, a segment from our episode on pipeline generation and building a repeatable revenue system with Christopher Vik, VP EMEA at Samsara and former CRO at Leapwork. In this clip, Chris breaks down why most pipeline generation efforts fail before they even start. He explains how preparation drives conviction, why reps avoid pipeline when they lack insight, and what leaders must do to build a cult
Why Sales Execution Wins in an AI-First World with Brian McCarthy, President of Global Revenue and Field Operations at Cursor
PLG can create explosive growth, but it can also mask fundamental gaps in execution, capacity, and long-term durability. As AI-native companies scale at unprecedented speed, revenue leaders face a new tension: how to convert bottom-up adoption into enterprise value without breaking the system that fueled growth. Brian McCarthy joins to unpack how Cursor is navigating this shift, why sales executio
Why Preparation Separates Top Performers from Everyone Else with John Rowell
Preparation does not become less important as sellers gain experience. It becomes more visible as a differentiator. In this replay segment with John Rowell, he breaks down of how disciplined pre-call preparation sharpens positioning, turns cold outreach into meaningful engagement, and allows reps to stay fully present in the moment. The conversation highlights why preparation is not just about inf
Sales as the System and Why Founders Must Own the Problem with Lou Shipley
Most companies don’t fail because of product, they fail because they never build a clear, repeatable sales system around a problem that actually matters. That shows up early when founders delegate sales too soon, chase broad markets without focus, and struggle to translate technical insight into customer urgency. In this conversation, Lou Shipley brings a career spanning door-to-door selling to le
The Feature Trap: Why Enterprise Buyers Don’t Care with John Donnelly
Today, we’re revisiting a segment from our episode on selling enterprise software and connecting technical capabilities to business outcomes with John Donnelly. John is a seasoned enterprise sales leader with deep experience scaling complex sales motions across organizations like MobileIron and Kana. In this clip, he breaks down why so many sellers default to features, where discovery goes wrong,
Aligning Pipeline to Ideal Customer Profile with Dan Sperring
Most revenue teams believe they have a definedIdeal Customer profile (ICP), but the reality is far less precise, with the majority of pipeline often sitting outside the segments that actually drive retention and expansion. This disconnect creates inefficiency across marketing, sales, and customer success, and is only amplified by AI-driven outreach that scales poor targeting. Dan Sperring, founder
How Usage Signals Redefine the Sales Motion with Dan Fougere
Today, we’re revisiting a segment from our episode on Product-Led Growth and modern sales playbooks with Dan Fougere. Dan is the former Chief Revenue Officer at Datadog and former Head of Global Sales at Medallia, now advising high-growth startups. In this clip, Dan breaks down why traditional sales playbooks fail in PLG environments, and how leaders need to shift toward usage-based signals and fi
The Discipline Behind Scaling from PLG to Enterprise with Sahir Azam
High-growth companies demand constant reinvention, yet most leaders underestimate how deeply roles, go-to-market models, and buyer behavior evolve over time. This episode explores what it actually takes to adapt at that level, from navigating internal resistance to aligning product and sales with how customers truly buy. Sahir Azam brings a rare operator-to-investor perspective, unpacking the real
Why Top CROs Focus on Trends, Not Metrics with Bob Ranaldi
In today’s conversation, former Chief Revenue Officer and private equity operating partner Bob Ranaldi shares why great revenue leaders focus less on static metrics and more on the trends behind them. In this segment, Bob explains why looking at a single month of pipeline or bookings can be misleading, and why CROs and CEOs need to study the progression of key metrics over time. He also breaks dow
AI Adoption Requires Leadership Discipline, Not Just Technology with Marcy Stoudt
If you treat AI as just tech or a tool, you’re likely missing out on the true strategic benefit to your organization. Many leaders are waiting on IT, governance, or the “right stack” while competitors are already compounding gains through faster execution, better preparation, and tighter alignment. Marcy Stoudt returns to unpack why AI adoption starts with mindset, how productivity gains break wit
Why Teams Resist Without Relationships with Coach John Mosley Jr.
Today, we're sharing a segment from our episode on leadership, discipline, and relationship-building with Coach John Mosley Jr. Coach Mosley is best known for leading East Los Angeles College and for his role on Netflix’s Last Chance U, where his leadership philosophy is on full display. In this particular conversation, Coach Mosley breaks down a simple but often overlooked principle: rules withou
Pipeline Generation Is Not Broken. Your System Is with Chris Vik, VP EMEA at Samsara
Many teams are finding it harder to generate pipeline these days. Is this new pipeline reality here to stay? Generating strong pipeline is still attainable — but the winning approach has changed. Most sales teams are running highly individualized pipeline gen tactics, without the structure, preparation, or leadership discipline required to sustain it. In this replay episode, Chris Vik breaks down
Why ICP and Persona Clarity Drives Sales Performance with Eric Erston
In today’s segment with Eric Erston, longtime sales leader and CRO of RegScale, Eric shares what separates top-performing sales teams from the rest – from maintaining laser focus on metrics and success definitions, to rigorously qualifying leads based on budget, timeframe, and pain points. Eric emphasizes the critical importance of deeply understanding both the ideal customer profile and the indiv
What Great CRO-CEO Alignment Actually Looks Like with Bob Ranaldi
When the relationship between a CRO and CEO breaks down, the symptoms show up quickly in the forecast, the sales plan, and ultimately the boardroom. Strong revenue organizations avoid that trap by anchoring leadership decisions in shared data, realistic planning, and constant communication. In this replay episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon sit down with former CRO and private equity operating p
AI Superhumans in Sales with Amanda Kahlow
In today's minisode, AI pioneer and enterprise sales leader Amanda Kahlow shares why intent data as we know it is dying – and what replaces it. Amanda is the founder and CEO of 1mind. In this segment, she discusses how SI “superhumans” can operate inside live deals with access to every document and data point, and why the future of go-to-market may move toward agent-to-agent negotiation… with hum
The End of the SDR? AI and the Future of Go-to-Market with Amanda Kahlow, Founder and CEO of 1mind
Amanda Kahlow joins Revenue Builders to unpack what happens when AI stops assisting go-to-market teams and starts replacing entire functions. Drawing on her experience founding SixthSense and now leading 1mind, she explains how technology originally built for Alzheimer’s caregivers evolved into AI “superhumans” capable of running demos, qualifying buyers, building business cases, and onboarding cu
The Leadership Moment That Builds Loyalty | A Sales Leadership Lesson with Cedric Pech, MongoDB
In this minisode, Cedric Pech, President of Field Operations at MongoDB and former CRO, shares a formative leadership moment from early in his career at PTC that shaped how he thinks about building revenue organizations. He tells the story of a manager who invested in him personally before he had proven himself professionally. It is a lesson in what real leadership looks like under pressure. For C
How a French Skier Built a 2,000-Person Sales Team | Building Patriots, Not Mercenaries with Cedric Pech of MongoDB
Scaling from regional VP to global CRO is not a promotion. It is a shift from managing execution to defining meaning at scale. In this replay conversation, Cedric Pech reflects on leading a 2,000-person global sales organization at MongoDB, integrating complex routes to market, and building culture that withstands market volatility. He breaks down the difference between compensation-driven leaders
The Huddle Is More Important Than the Position | Building Winning Cultures with Brian White
In today’s minisode, Football coach and author Brian White shares essential leadership lessons on building winning cultures that apply far beyond the field. Brian breaks down why trust must flow both ways, from the individual entering a new organization and from the team itself, and reveals why assimilating into an existing culture before trying to change it is the key to lasting impact. Whether y
How to Build Sales Teams That Won't Quit When Times Get Tough | The Locker Room Strategy with Brian White, Legendary Football Coach & Author
There’s no shortcuts to a winning sales culture. When leaders compromise standards for convenience, talent, or short-term wins, they erode the very foundation that sustains performance over time. Brian White joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to unpack why elite teams are built on respect first, why trust is collective (not individual), and why commitment without conditions is the only kind that l
The Leadership Capacity Issue That Slows Growth
Today’s minisode features Carlos Delatorre as he shares two hard-earned leadership lessons that every sales leader scaling an organization needs to hear. He reflects on an early moment in his career when he learned the difference between being a top-performing rep and becoming a true manager, and why doing the work for your team might feel helpful in the moment but ultimately breaks scale. If you’
Building the Machine: The Pipeline, Metrics, and Discipline Behind 100%+ Revenue Growth with Carlos Delatorre
Climbing from individual contributor to CRO requires far more than strong execution. It demands disciplined leadership, intentional systems, and the ability to scale through complexity. In this replay episode, Carlos de la Torre joins John McMahon to unpack lessons from decades of enterprise sales leadership, including how he evaluates CRO opportunities, why complex selling environments demand sop
Why Sales Leaders Must Re-Earn the Role as Companies Scale featuring Chris Degnan
Today’s minisode features Chris Degnan, former CRO of Snowflake. In this clip, Chris explains what it really takes to grow with a company as it scales, and why earning your role does not stop once the title changes. He shares how treating every quarter like a 90-day contract, staying open to feedback, and knowing when to shift from grinding in the business to building leaders helped him navigate b
What It Really Takes to Build a Billion-Dollar Revenue Engine with Chris Degnan, Former CRO of Snowflake
Building a company from the ground up is rarely clean, fast, or glamorous. It requires leaders who are willing to earn their role repeatedly, adapt faster than the business evolves, and stay grounded in customer reality even as pressure to scale intensifies. In this replay of one of our favorite Revenue Builders Podcast conversations, Chris Degnan shares what it actually took to help build Snowfla
Why Elite Sellers Watch Their Own Game Film
Today’s minisode features Bob Kocis, author of The President’s Club Mindset. In this clip, Bob explains what separates elite salespeople from the rest, and it’s not just about skill. It’s about the discipline of watching yourself. He breaks down how top performers review their own “game film,” recognize what’s actually happening in the deal, and make micro-adjustments that lead to macro results.If
The President’s Club Mindset | Inside the Behaviors, Beliefs, and Discipline of Elite Sales Performers with Bob Kocis
President’s Club performance is rarely about talent alone. It is built on discipline, preparation, curiosity, and the ability to lead without authority in complex, high-stakes sales environments. In this episode, Bob Kocis joins John McMahon and John Kaplan to unpack what truly separates perennial President’s Club winners from the rest of the field. Drawing on decades of enterprise sales leadershi
How Great Leaders Turn Resistance Into Rapid Growth
In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon sit down with Jeremy Duggan, President of Multiverse, to talk about a tension every manager feels: how do you genuinely care about your people while still holding them accountable? They dig into a real story of a high-potential rep who wasn’t thrilled about a big quota increase—and what it took to turn resistance into growth. Along the way, they break
Managing vs. Leading: What Separates Great Leaders from Great Managers with Jeremy Duggan
Managing people and leading them are often treated as the same skill, but the gap between the two is where many organizations stall. In this replay episode, Jeremy Duggan joins the conversation to explore one of the most critical distinctions in business leadership: the difference between driving results and developing people. Drawing on real-world experience scaling multiple companies to billion-
Stop Selling to the Wrong Customers | The Science of Scaling Your ICP with Mark Roberge
In this episode, Mark Roberge, author of the upcoming book The Science of Scaling, breaks down why so many companies fail to evolve their Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) despite changing market conditions—and reveals the surprising truth: it's emotional decision-making, not data, holding them back. Discover the game-changing "green, yellow, red" framework that separates truly ideal customers (those w
Designing Systems That Scale with Mark Roberge, Founding CRO of HubSpot
Scaling often looks like momentum on the surface: more pipeline, more headcount, more pressure from boards and capital. But underneath? Many leaders feel the strain of decisions moving faster than their systems can support. In this conversation, Mark Roberge sits down to unpack why scaling is not a milestone, but a system that must be intentionally designed and continuously recalibrated. Drawing o
Forgiveness as a Leadership Advantage with Doug Holladay, Author of Rethinking Success
In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, returning guest Doug Holladay joins the show to explore why forgiveness is not just a personal virtue, but a critical leadership skill. Drawing from Doug’s book Rethinking Success and decades of leadership experience, the conversation reframes forgiveness as a way to reclaim mental bandwidth, build trust-driven cultures, and prevent resentment from
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Scaling and Selling with Brian Halligan
In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, HubSpot co-founder Brian Halligan pulls back the curtain on the uncomfortable truth of scaling: there is no magic inflection point—only relentless progress, painful setbacks, and self-inflicted potholes. Brian shares how HubSpot embraced a “Pothole Report” mindset to identify unforced errors before they became existential threats, why most sca
Comp Plans for Consumption-based Businesses
In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we revisit the discussion with Jose Fernandez — former Head of Global Sales Development at Google and now CEO of Easy Comp — breaks down how compensation must evolve when companies shift from traditional SaaS licensing to consumption-based models. Drawing from his experience at Google Ads, one of the most successful consumption engines in busi
Helping People Thrive in Your Organization
In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we revisit the discussion with Susan Lucia Annunzio, author and CEO of the Center for High Performance. Backed by the world’s first global quantitative study on accelerated growth, Lucia reveals the single biggest differentiator of companies that grow profitably over the long term: how they treat their people.She introduces the concept of Retu
Success Doesn't Happen in Isolation
In this short segment of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we revisit the discussion with Dean Otto, a top-performing enterprise sales rep whose life changed in an instant after being struck by a vehicle while cycling. Given a 2% chance of ever walking again, Dean went on to run a half-marathon just one year later—alongside the man who hit him and the neurosurgeon who operated on him.Through forgivene
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Rewind: Leading Authentically with Doug Holladay
In this special Revenue Builders Rewind episode, we revisit our powerful first conversation with Doug Holladay, CEO & founder of PathNorth and author of Rethinking Success: Eight Essential Practices for Finding Meaning in Work and Life. Doug shares his unconventional career journey and explores his philosophy on leadership, purpose, and living a more intentional life.The discussion dives into the
Avoiding Burnout with Marcy Stoudt
In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, we talk burnout with Marcy Stoudt, CEO and co-founder of Revel Coach. Marcy helps leaders avoid burnout and become their best selves without sacrificing success in either area. In this segment, she covers a few tips for avoiding burnout.KEY TAKEAWAYS[00:00:27] Burnout affects individuals beyond just moms, particularly leaders who lose perspe
The Power of Belief with Dean Otto
In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, our host John Kaplan is joined by Dean Otto, an endurance athlete with a background in senior strategic global account sales. Dean shares his journey of recovery after a near-fatal cycling accident that left him with a 2% chance of ever walking again. His incredible story is a testament to the power of resilience and purpose, from overcoming immense
Building PLG Playbooks with Dan Fougere
In this segment, Dan Fougere breaks down how Product-Led Growth (PLG) fundamentally changes the traditional sales playbook. Drawing from his experience at Datadog and advising startups, he explains that PLG companies must rethink how they engage prospects—especially when users begin interacting with the product before any formal sales conversation.Dan emphasizes the importance of usage signals—suc
Leading from the Front: Building Credibility at your SKO
In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, our hosts John Kaplan and John McMahon dive deep into the world of Sales Kickoff (SKO) events. They discuss the critical importance of aligning SKO content with sales rep needs, emphasizing that it should be more than just an event—it should be a holistic process aimed at motivating and educating the sales force. The conversation covers the signific
Scaling Sales at a Startup with Chris Reisig
In this episode of The Revenue Builders Podcast hosted by John McMahon and John Kaplan, Chris Reising, a five-time Chief Revenue Officer (CRO) with extensive experience in scaling sales at early-stage tech companies, shares invaluable insights into the challenges and strategies involved in scaling sales functions for startups. From finding product-market fit to hiring the right sales reps and unde
Creating Adaptive Sales Playbooks with Dan Fougere
In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, our hosts John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by Dan Fougere, a venture partner at Index Ventures and former CRO of Datadog. Dan shares insights from his extensive sales career, emphasizing the importance of developing adaptive and context-specific sales playbooks. He discusses the evolution of PLG (Product-Led Growth) strategies, the integratio
Owning the Recruiting Process with Andy Price
In this curated episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, John McMahon and John Kaplan are joined by Andy Price from Artisanal Ventures and Artisanal Talent. With over 30 years of experience in the recruiting industry, Andy shares valuable insights on why it's crucial for sales leaders to own the recruiting process. The discussion delves into the pitfalls of delegating recruitment to HR, the import
Leadership, Generational Insights, and the Power of People with Susan Lucia Annunzio
In this episode of the Revenue Builders Podcast, our hosts John Kaplan and John McMahon are joined by Susan Lucia Annunzio, the “CEO Whisperer” and President of the Center for High Performance. With over 25 years of expertise in leadership and organizational culture, Lucia shares her insights on fostering sustainable growth by treating people well, the importance of leveraging brain power, and the
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