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People Who Read People: A Behavior and Psychology Podcast

People Who Read People: A Behavior and Psychology Podcast

Zachary Elwood 210 episodes Nov 7, 2026

This show helps you understand human behavior and psychology to better navigate personal and professional life and connect with people. Host Zachary Elwood, author of the Reading Poker Tells trilogy, interviews a wide range of guests including law enforcement, researchers, sports analysts, and mental health experts. The podcast emphasizes patience, nuance, and questioning simplistic assumptions. With over 200 episodes, it offers deep insights into real-world human behavior.

Episodes

Poker tells at the World Series of Poker, with $1.75M WSOP winner Rami Hammoud
Poker tells at the World Series of Poker, with $1.75M WSOP winner Rami Hammoud Nov 7, 2026 01:14:37 Rami Hammoud finished 6th in the 2026 World Series of Poker Main Event, winning $1.75 million. Before the final table, he hired me (Zach Elwood) to study poker tells/behavior in the footage of his opponents. In this talk, Rami shares the story behind his journey to winning a life-changing amount of money, including how he almost left Las Vegas before the Main Event began, and how a mindset of havi
Luke Geel made an AI to read poker tells: How successful was it?
Luke Geel made an AI to read poker tells: How successful was it? Nov 1, 2026 01:04:28 Can artificial intelligence learn to read poker tells and figure out when someone is bluffing? AI engineer Luke Geel (geelai.net) created software designed to do just that, and his work was featured this year on the TV coverage of the World Series of Poker Main Event. I'm the author of some poker tells books (readingpokertells.com), and when I first heard about this program, I wondered: what exact
The "Lie Guy" changed his mind about reading body language in policing
The "Lie Guy" changed his mind about reading body language in policing Oct 17, 2026 56:53 Can trying to read people's body language make investigators worse at finding the truth? Veteran interrogator and trainer Stan B. Walters, known as “the Lie Guy” (thelieguy.com) and author of “Principles of Kinesic Interview and Interrogation,” explains why he moved away from many of the nonverbal behavior ideas he once taught—and why he now focuses on listening to what people say. We discuss his
Pro slot machine player on gambling strategies, risks, the lifestyle, and more
Pro slot machine player on gambling strategies, risks, the lifestyle, and more Oct 11, 2026 49:51 How does someone make a living playing slot machines—and why would casinos let them? After joining professional gambler Chris Huang on a casino trip in Atlantic City, I talk with him about the unusual career of casino “advantage play” and how pro slot machine players capture the money left behind by other, less knowledgeable players. We explore why manufacturers create beatable machines, the psych
A private investigator's tips on reading and manipulating people
A private investigator's tips on reading and manipulating people Oct 3, 2026 01:06:08 A talk with Andrew Thompson, a New York City-area private investigator and a researcher of criminal behavior and interrogation techniques. Andrew shares how he gets people talking while lacking the authority and command of a police badge, and what studying FBI crime cases and interrogations taught him about linguistic clues to deception in people’s stories. We also discuss his research into crimin
She’s certified by Joe Navarro in body language: How has it helped her?
She’s certified by Joe Navarro in body language: How has it helped her? Sep 27, 2026 44:10 On this podcast I sometimes explore the “behavior expert” industry. One thing I'm curious about is the value people say that they’ve received from “behavior expert” trainings and certifications. This is a talk with Gallia Winkler, a psychological coach and a behavioral student of Joe Navarro’s; she’s been certified in his Body Language Expert Program. I ask her about what drives her interest in no
A critical look at Paul Ekman, Joe Navarro, and the entire "behavior expert" industry
A critical look at Paul Ekman, Joe Navarro, and the entire "behavior expert" industry Sep 20, 2026 01:54:10 A talk with former CIA officer Kent Clizbe about the exaggerated, irresponsible claims made by many self-described “behavior experts,” focusing especially on Paul Ekman, Joe Navarro, microexpressions, and attempts to detect deception from body language. We discuss why facial expressions and physical movements cannot be interpreted through a universal dictionary, how cultural and individual differe
Army Psy-Op veteran talks influence, blowback, psy-op myths, and more
Army Psy-Op veteran talks influence, blowback, psy-op myths, and more Aug 28, 2026 01:28:42 A talk with an Army Psychological Operations soldier about what military psy-op work really involves—and how different the reality is from many people's ideas about the nature of that work. We discuss his psy-op work in Afghanistan, why credibility and truth are usually much more persuasive and effective than deception, and fascinating historical operations involving surrender appeals, staged inte
Can computers spot lies better than humans?, with Bennett Kleinberg
Can computers spot lies better than humans?, with Bennett Kleinberg Aug 12, 2026 01:00:02 Can machines spot a lie better than we can? I talk with psychology researcher Bennett Kleinberg, whose work brings together psychology, machine learning, natural-language processing, and deception detection. We explore why humans are bad at identifying lies, which verbal clues may reveal deception—and why nervousness is often misleading. Bennett explains how liars use detail and how level of detai
Inside a Scientology e-meter auditing session, with Chris Shelton
Inside a Scientology e-meter auditing session, with Chris Shelton Aug 2, 2026 01:23:35 Former Scientologist Chris Shelton spent thousands of hours using the e-meter to "audit" fellow members of the Church—but what does the device actually measure, and why do Scientologists trust it as an infallible guide to the truth? Chris takes us inside a typical auditing session, explaining the personal questions auditors ask, the needle movements they watch for, and what they believe
How Pete Blair scored 100% in a deception detection study
How Pete Blair scored 100% in a deception detection study Jul 24, 2026 01:03:56 In a 2014 deception detection study, Pete Blair made 33 judgments—and got all 33 right. That paper was titled “Expertise in deception detection involves actively prompting diagnostic information rather than passive behavioral observation.” I ask Pete about what the factors were in him getting 100% accuracy in that study, and we talk about the interplay between verbal and nonverbal behavior. Pete t
Behaviorally, poker and interrogations are very different
Behaviorally, poker and interrogations are very different Jul 10, 2026 49:32 Zach Elwood, author of influential books on poker tells and host of the People Who Read People podcast, joins The Deductionist podcast for a wide-ranging conversation about what we can and can't learn from human behavior. Drawing on his years studying poker tells and consulting for high-stakes players, Zach explains why reading behavior in structured games like poker is fundamentally different fro

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