The Principal Exchange Podcast
The Principal Exchange Podcast is a show for school leaders, hosted by educators Sarah and Andra. They discuss the real challenges of school leadership, offering practical strategies and mindset shifts. The conversations are honest and free of jargon, aimed at helping principals lead with clarity and confidence. Whether you're a new or experienced principal, this podcast provides a space to reflect and recharge.
Episodes
Episode 53: Surviving the Email Avalanche
This week we are throwing back to an episode that tackles one of the most common system challenges we hear principals facing: email!
Does your inbox feel like it’s running your day? Principals get buried under hundreds of emails every week—most of them urgent-sounding but low-priority. The truth? You’ll never answer them all (and you don’t need to).
In this episode, we break down the different typ
Episode 52: Morning Routines: What to Do Before the Day Takes Over
Part of our "Systems That Free You" series
Some of us have a whole morning routine. Some of us are hitting snooze until the very last second. Either way, mornings set the tone for everything that follows.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra get honest about what their mornings actually look like—the good days and the six-minutes-out-the-door days—and why even a few minutes that are just y
Episode 51: What Actually Matters to New Teachers in the First Month
Part of our "Systems That Free You" series
New teachers either sink or swim based on how connected they feel early on. And it's not about building some elaborate 30-day plan with checkboxes.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra talk through what actually helps a new teacher in their first month—the handful of genuine moments that matter way more than a formal system. If you've got new hires star
Episode 50: Stop Playing Whack-a-Mole: Why the Same Problems Keep Coming Back
Part of our "Systems That Free You" series
You solve it. Two days later, it's back. A behavior issue, a hallway expectation, a staff frustration—you handle it, and then somehow it just... resurfaces.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra break down why principals feel stuck playing Whack-a-Mole all year, and what actually has to change if you want problems to stop recycling. Spoiler: it's not abo
Episode 49: Pre‑August Audit: Trim the Chaos Before School Starts
You're carrying things that don't matter. Old initiatives. Obligatory traditions. Meetings about meetings. Programs you inherited but never believed in.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra walk you through a simple four-step audit to identify what's actually essential versus what's just stealing your energy. Because July is the only month you have to simplify before August chaos normalizes everything
Episode 48: Get Back Your Time - 5 Strategies to Stop Reactive Leadership
You know deep work matters. But principals keep saying: "I can't. There's always something. The walkie never stops."
In this episode, Sarah and Andra deliver five concrete, actionable strategies to actually protect that time. These aren't theory—they're systems that work in real school buildings. If you've been stuck in reaction mode and want practical ways to finally create uninterrupted ti
Episode 47: Airplane Mode for Principals: Protect Your Deep Work
Your day is packed with emails, walkie calls, teacher requests, and crises. By the time the building empties, you finally tackle real leadership work—observations, planning, coaching. It's 7 PM and you're exhausted.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra use the phone metaphor: just like airplane mode stops notifications, principals need designated deep work time without constant disruptions. The
Episode 46: Set the Culture Before It Sets Itself
We're on vacation and bringing back a fan favorite—especially timely as you head into the new school year.
Culture isn't just morale. It's how people act when no one's watching. The tricky part? Culture happens whether you set it or not. If you don't define it intentionally, it will define itself—probably not how you want.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra break down what actually moves
Episode 45: Break the Rules - Rethinking School Expectations
We're on vacation, so we're sharing one of our most downloaded episodes.
School rules are everywhere. But most people can't even recite them. So what are they actually for?
In this episode, Sarah and Andra challenge traditional school rules entirely. They're not calling for chaos—they're calling for a reframe. Instead of rules that beg to be broken, what if we built cultures grounded in valu
Episode 44: The Streaming Service Problem - Principal Edition
Summer brings space to think—and immediately brings a different kind of overwhelm. Should you focus on behavior? Master schedule? Staff morale? Professional development? All of it feels urgent. None of it feels doable.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra use the Netflix scrolling problem to explain summer planning paralysis. You have all these choices and end up making none. They break down the
Real Talk: Secrets of a Long‑Serving Principal with Matt Moyer
How does a principal stay in one building for 21 years when the average principal lasts just three?
Matt Moyer, nationally distinguished principal at Rupert Elementary in Pottstown, Pennsylvania, has beaten the odds. He's been principal for over two decades—at the very school he attended as a child.
In this Real Talk episode, Sarah and Andra ask Matt what keeps him there. Spoiler: it's not m
Episode 43: Credentialed Yet Unprepared - Today's Principal Reality
You have the credential but feel completely unprepared. This is the reality for many principals—and the statistics show why. In this episode, Sarah and Andra tackle the crisis in principal retention: 42% are considering leaving, 64% cite administrative burden as the reason, and 86% report daily stress. The real problem? The job isn't set up for principals to actually lead. This conversation
Episode 42: Stop Playing the School Hero: Lead Without Burning Out
When principals step into leadership, it often starts with the best intentions.
You want to help. You want to support your staff. You want to solve problems, remove obstacles, and make life easier for the people around you. But over time, that desire to help can quietly turn into something else—the belief that you have to be the one who fixes everything.
In this episode
Real Talk: Supporting Special Education Teachers with Brandie Rosen
Special education teachers are often some of the most dedicated people in a school—but they’re also carrying responsibilities that many others never fully see.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra sit down with Brandie Rosen to talk about what special education teachers really need from school leaders. From overwhelming caseloads and competing responsibilities to creating systems that help
Episode: 41 Be the Thermostat - Leading Calm in Chaotic Schools
When schools feel stressful, chaotic, or emotionally heavy, principals often absorb that pressure without even realizing it.
In this episode, we explore the difference between thermometer leadership and thermostat leadership — and how the emotional energy principals bring into a building shapes the culture around them. From reacting to stress and urgency to creati
Real Talk: From Reactive to Intentional with Dr. Ruthie Walker
For many principals, leadership can start to feel like survival mode. You’re solving problems, putting out fires, answering questions, and just trying to make it to Friday—while the bigger vision for your school keeps getting pushed further down the list.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra sit down with Dr. Ruthie Walker to talk about the difference between reactive leadership and intent
Episode 40: 7 Quick Tips to Close Out Your School Year Strong
As the school year comes to an end, many principals immediately shift into planning for next year. But before jumping ahead, there’s value in slowing down long enough to intentionally close out the year you’re still in.
In this solo episode, Andra shares seven simple but powerful ways principals can reflect, reset, and finish the year with purpose. From walking the building with fresh
Real Talk: Why You Can't Get into Classrooms with Mary Baker
Most principals didn’t step into leadership to spend their days buried in emails, meetings, discipline, and constant interruptions. They stepped into leadership to support teachers, strengthen instruction, and impact students. But somewhere along the way, the work that matters most started getting pushed aside.
In this Real Talk episode, we sit down with school leader Mary Baker to talk abou
Episode 39: Engagement Isn't Entertainment — Why Real Student Engagement Matters
Student engagement is one of the biggest conversations happening in schools right now — and honestly, we understand why.
Between behavior challenges, short attention spans, constant distractions, and increasing student disengagement, many teachers and principals are asking the same question:
How do we get students genuinely connected to learning again?
This week, we’re bringing back on
Real Talk: Reclaiming a Student-Centered School with Superintendent Eric Griffin
Every student. Not most students. Not the ones who are easiest to serve. Every single one.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra sit down with Eric Griffin — superintendent, former principal, and opening keynote speaker at this summer's Built Different conference — for a conversation that gets to the heart of why so many educators feel like they're drifting away from the reason they got int
Episode 37: The Communication Tool That Actually Gets Families to Show Up
You've built a community. 26,000 downloads, hundreds of principals connecting weekly, a movement that grew because it felt real — that's TPE Nation. And somewhere in celebrating that milestone, we started thinking about the schools that need this same energy with their families.
In this episode, we talk about what makes community actually work, why most school communication falls flat,
Real Talk: Humor, Heart, and Why Schools Need More Laughter with Sara Ajisafe
Schools are serious places filled with serious work. But they’re also full of hilarious moments, unforgettable stories, and the kind of joy that can easily get lost when stress takes over.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra sit down with Sara Ajisafe, educator, conference sponsor, and author of Humor and Heart: From the Halls of Elementary School, to talk about why laughter matters more in lea
Episode 36: 5 Strategic Themes for Next Year That Spark Change
When it comes time to choose a school theme, many leaders focus on decorations, shirts, and a catchy slogan. But the best themes do much more than look good in August.
In this episode, we explore how a school theme can become a strategic tool that shapes culture, guides decisions, and gives staff a shared language throughout the year. From building belonging and resilience to encouraging growth, i
Real Talk: Building Strong Leaders and Schools with Dinah McMichael
Leadership can feel heavy. The decisions, the pressure, the constant pull between your school and your life outside of it—it adds up quickly.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra sit down with Dinah McMichael to talk about what it really looks like to lead through that weight and come out on the other side with clarity and joy.
From building leadership across your entire school to creating a cul
Episode 35: Interviewing - How to Build Your Dream Team (Not Just Fill a Slot)
When hiring season arrives, many schools focus on filling vacancies as quickly as possible. Resumes, years of experience, and certifications often become the main deciding factors.
In this episode, we explore a different way to think about hiring — not as filling a slot, but as strengthening the ecosystem of your school. From identifying what a grade level team is missing to balancing attitu
Real Talk: Tracking Behavior Data with Danielle Baranishyn
Behavior can feel constant.
You’re handling what’s right in front of you all day… but rarely get the chance to step back and actually see what’s driving it.
In this episode, Sarah and Andra sit down with Danielle Baranishyn to talk about the shift from correcting behavior to understanding it. Because most schools already have the data… it’s just sitting there,
Episode 34: Conquer the Feedback Backlog - 5 Moves to Get Unstuck
Observations are done… but the feedback isn’t. Notes are sitting. Tabs are open. Conversations keep getting pushed.
In this episode, we talk about why feedback becomes one of the biggest backlogs for principals—and how to actually move through it without needing hours you don’t have. Because the challenge isn’t getting into classrooms. It’s turning what you saw
Episode 33: The Video Game Effect: Why Students Persist in Play but Quit in Class
Students will try the same level in a video game again and again without giving up — yet in school, frustration can sometimes lead to disengagement much more quickly.
In this episode, we explore the psychology behind why video games are so effective at building persistence and motivation. From clear goals and instant feedback to visible progress and productive challenge, the design of games
Principal Pause: Spring Break
It’s spring break, and we’re doing what we always tell principals to do—rest when your school rests. But before we step back this week, we wanted to drop in for a quick check-in.
This time of year just feels different. The days are longer, the light shifts, and things start to feel a little lighter again.
In this mini-episode, we’re not talking strategy or systems. Just a q
Bonus: Build With Me: The Summer That Actually Prepares Your School Year
Summer starts with good intentions… and then it gets filled with everything else.
In this bonus episode, Sarah and Andra share what it looks like to actually build your next year on purpose—and that's why this year's TPE Summer Virtual Conference is Built Different.
This isn’t sit and get.
It’s keynotes, real sessions, panels, and build-with-me work time focused on b
Episode 32: March Madness - Why Upsets Happen in Schools Too
March Madness is famous for unexpected upsets — when an underdog team defeats a powerhouse program that everyone expected to win. But those wins rarely happen by accident. They’re the result of preparation, belief, teamwork, and momentum.
In this episode, we explore what schools can learn from the psychology behind March Madness. From the power of belief and preparation to the role of
Episode 31: The Hidden Power of Spring Energy in Schools
When spring arrives, something shifts in schools. Students feel more energetic, more social, and sometimes more restless — and many schools see that change as something to control.
In this episode, we explore the hidden power of spring energy and how principals and teachers can use it to their advantage. From incorporating movement and collaboration to refreshing learning environments and ce
Episode 30: The Luck Myth - Why Great Schools Don’t Rely on Luck
St. Patrick’s Day is all about luck — lucky charms, lucky clovers, and lucky streaks. But when people talk about great schools, they often use the same language.
“They’re lucky they have great teachers.”
“They’re lucky their students behave.”
“They’re lucky their culture is so strong.”
In this episode, we explore the myth of luck
Episode 29: Lose an Hour, Gain Five: Where Principals Can Actually Get Time Back
Daylight Savings reminds us how much people hate losing an hour of sleep. But principals lose hours every week in places they often don’t notice.
In this episode, we explore five hidden time leaks in school leadership and how principals can reclaim those hours through clarity, boundaries, and smarter leadership moves. From the constant stream of “quick questions,” to meetings tha
Bonus Episode: What Would You Do With 100 Hours Back This Year
Most principals spend a surprising amount of time building things from scratch.
Parent responses. Behavior plans. Observation feedback. Staff conversations. Professional development.
Even conservatively, that adds up to about two hours a week, which turns into over 100 hours a year spent figuring out how to respond, structure, or move something forward. Not even actively leading.. just getting rea
Episode 28: When Adults Act Like Middle Schoolers (and How to Lead Anyway)
Adults don’t outgrow middle school behavior — they just get better at disguising it. And if principals treat adult dynamics as purely rational instead of deeply human, leadership gets harder than it needs to be.
In this episode, we break down the funny (and very real) ways adult behavior mirrors tween dynamics — from popularity politics, to whisper networks, to silent disagreemen
Episode 27: Leadership Lessons Hiding in your Favorite TV Shows
Popular TV shows are compelling not because of their plots, but because of how accurately they capture human behavior. And leadership is really just the work of coordinating humans.
In this episode, we explore what schools can learn from the leadership patterns hiding in familiar shows like Big Bang Theory, Abbott Elementary, Grey’s Anatomy, Fixer Upper, and The Great British Baking Show. Fr
Episode 26: Gold Medal Mindsets
The Winter Olympics aren’t just about sports — they’re about grit, joy, resilience, identity, and shared experience, and schools need more of that energy during the hardest stretch of the year.
In this episode, we explore what the “Olympic mindset” can teach principals about leading through February without pushing harder or adding more. From celebrating personal best
Episode 25: What Schools Can Learn from the Super Bowl
The Super Bowl isn’t just a football game — it’s a cultural event built on shared rituals, community, identity, and spectacle, and those ingredients have a lot to teach us about school culture.
In this episode, we break down what actually makes Super Bowl Sunday such a unifying moment and how principals can borrow those elements to build connection during the winter slump. From s
Episode 24: 5 Ways to Beat the Winter Blues
Beating the winter blues in schools isn’t about grand gestures or big initiatives — it’s about the small things that bring energy, novelty, and connection during the hardest stretch of the year.
In this episode, we talk about why January and February feel so heavy for schools and what principals can do to lift morale without adding more to their already full plates. From quick st
Episode 23: If Students Ran the School: 5 Things They'd Fix First
Students experience school differently than adults do — not through initiatives or plans, but through systems, routines, and daily interactions.
In this episode, we explore what students would fix first if they were principal for a day — and what those fixes reveal about clarity, consistency, and meaning inside a school. This isn’t about student surveys or committees. It’s
Episode 22: The Principal’s Algorithm: What Schools Can Learn From TikTok
Your school already has an algorithm.
It determines what gets attention, what gets repeated, and what quietly fades away. And whether you realize it or not, leadership behavior, systems, and reactions shape that algorithm daily.
In this episode, we break down how school algorithms form, the unintended behaviors they often reward, and how principals can retune them — without adding initiative
Episode 21: When the School Year Is Really Three Separate Years
The school year isn’t one long stretch — it’s really three separate years, each with its own energy, challenges, and leadership demands.
In this episode, we break down the three phases of the school year and what principals can do in each one to lead more effectively without burning out themselves or their staff. From the high-energy launch, to the midyear grind, to the final str
Episode 20: Five Moves to Start Second Semester Strong
The calendar might flip to January, but the second semester doesn’t reset itself. Culture drifts, systems loosen, and people come back carrying everything from exhaustion to new-year hope.
In this episode, we’re breaking down five practical leadership moves that help principals start the second half of the year with clarity, calm, and momentum. From re-anchoring culture and tightening
Principal Pause: Soft Starts & Slow Mornings
There’s something special about this in-between week—the one where no one is totally sure what day it is, pajamas count as real clothes, and leftovers become every meal. It’s quiet enough for your mind to finally slow down, but not busy enough to pull you back into the rush. In other words… it’s the reset you actually needed.
In this mini-episode, we’re talking
Principal Pause: The Pause You've Earned
It’s the first week of Christmas break, and we’re doing what we always tell principals to do—rest when your school rests. But before we step back, we wanted to drop in with a short, cozy moment of connection.
In this mini-episode, we’re taking you back to the Christmases that shaped us—childhood memories filled with slow mornings, twinkling lights, holiday traditions,
Episode 19: What Would Happen If You Took a Friday Off?
Principals wear busyness like a badge of honor. But here’s the real question: what would actually happen if you took a Friday off? Would everything fall apart—or would it show you something about the systems and culture you’ve built?
In this episode, we’re unpacking why leadership isn’t about being everywhere all the time—and how stepping back can actually make
Episode 18: Tackling Teacher Resistance with Becca Silver
This week, we’re bringing you something a little different—our very first guest interview! We sat down with Becca Silver, founder and CEO of The Whole Educator and one of our keynote speakers for the upcoming Principal Exchange Winter Conference. Together, we’re digging into a topic every school leader knows all too well: teacher resistance.
Becca shares why resistance happens, w
Episode 17: What January You Needs From December You
The holidays in schools are a mix of joy, chaos, and exhaustion. Kids are hyped, staff are stretched, and the calendar is packed.
In this episode, we’re breaking down quick, practical strategies to help you finish December strong—and set January-you up for success. From prepping for sub shortages and organizing parent help, to rethinking staff gifts and anchoring fun in learning, these
The Principal Pause: Thanksgiving Break
This week, we’re doing what we always tell principals to do—taking a break when schools take a break.
In this short Thanksgiving episode, Sarah & Andra pop in (pie in hand and laptops closed!) to say thank you to the incredible community of leaders who show up here every week. Between laughter about family traditions, parade memories, and Black Friday nostalgia, they share one simp
Episode 16: Feedback That Sticks: 5 Reasons It Fails and How to Fix It
We all know feedback is supposed to make people better. But let’s be honest—it often just makes people defensive. And if your feedback isn’t building trust, it’s breaking it.
In this episode, we’re unpacking why feedback so often falls flat—and how to fix it. From giving specific, timely feedback that actually lands, to navigating those “train wreck”
Episode 15: Data: Checkbox or Compass
Schools are drowning in data—test scores, benchmarks, walkthrough rubrics, behavior logs—and yet half the time, it feels like we’re just checking boxes instead of actually learning anything from it.
In this episode, we’re unpacking the difference between collecting data because you have to and using data because it helps you lead. From simplifying what you track, to asking
Episode 14: Engagement Isn’t Entertainment: Why Student Engagement Matters More Than Ever
Students can be in their seats, quiet, and compliant—and still not be learning. That’s why engagement matters.
In this episode, we’re unpacking the difference between keeping kids busy and actually engaging them in thinking, talking, and caring about what they’re learning. From shifting walkthroughs to focus on engagement, to celebrating small wins, to giving staff ready-to
Episode 13: Culture Isn’t Just for Staff—It’s for Students Too
When we talk about school culture, most people immediately think about staff morale—whether teachers feel supported, if the lounge is positive, if the vibe is good. But here’s the question we don’t ask enough: What does your culture feel like to kids?
In this episode, we’re shifting the lens from staff to students. From the way kids are greeted at the door, to how correctio
Episode 12: Family Nights That Families Actually Show Up To
Family nights can be one of the most powerful ways to connect parents, kids, and schools—but they can also be some of the most disappointing when only a handful of people show up.
In this episode, we’re unpacking why traditional formats flop and what actually gets families through the door. From drop-in, drop-out structures and student-centered showcases to short, fun, food-filled even
Episode 11: Sugar Highs, Spooky Vibes, and Surviving October in Schools
The “honeymoon phase” is over, the candy is flowing, and Halloween somehow turns into a week-long holiday in kid time. No wonder late October feels like chaos in schools.
In this episode, we’re unpacking why this season feels so heavy—and how principals can lead through it without losing their minds. From setting clear boundaries on costumes and candy, to channeling spooky
Episode 10: Attendance Is a Systems Problem, Not Just a Kid Problem
Attendance dips, and the first instinct is often to blame kids or families—or fire off another robo-call. But here’s the truth: attendance isn’t just a kid problem. It’s a systems problem.
In this episode, we’re breaking down why the usual fixes fall flat and what it takes to actually shift patterns long-term. From schoolwide culture moves and attendance mentors to fa
Episode 9: 5 Five-Minute Fixes Every Principal Should Steal
Some days you’ve got time for a deep dive into strategy. Other days? You just need a win before the first bell rings.
In this episode, we’re sharing five practical “5-minute fixes” you can use this week to shift energy fast—without overhauling your entire system. From sticky note recognition and gratitude emails to hallway whispers and the “invisible principal g
Episode 8: It's Only September.. Why Am I Already Burnt Out?
You thought the summer recharge would carry you further—but here we are, barely a month into school, and the tank already feels empty. If you’re exhausted in September, you’re not alone.
In this episode, we’re having an honest conversation about why burnout hits so early and what you can do to reset before it becomes your default. We’ll bust the biggest myths principa
Bonus: The Story Behind The Principal Exchange
Every week, we’re here with strategies and systems to make school leadership feel a little lighter. But today? We’re stepping out of the usual rhythm to share something different.
In this bonus episode, we’re telling the story of how The Principal Exchange came to be. From our venture outside of the public school system, to realizing how isolated school leaders often feel, to joi
Episode 7: Leading Instruction When You Don’t Have Time
Every principal starts the year determined to be in classrooms daily—but then the fires, parent emails, and coverage needs hit. Before you know it, months have flown by and your classroom visits are more accidental than intentional.
In this episode, we’re breaking down how to actually lead instruction without burning yourself out. You’ll hear practical mindset shifts and simple s
Episode 6: 7 Conversations Every Principal Dreads — and How to Survive Them
Every principal has those conversations you wish you could skip—the angry parent complaint, the teacher struggling instructionally, the staff member not pulling their weight. They’re uncomfortable, emotional, and easy to put off. But here’s the truth: hard conversations don’t kill trust—avoiding them does.
In this episode, we’re breaking down the seven most drea
Episode 5: Surviving the Email Avalanche
Does your inbox feel like it’s running your day? Principals get buried under hundreds of emails every week—most of them urgent-sounding but low-priority. The truth? You’ll never answer them all (and you don’t need to).
In this episode, we break down the different types of emails that flood your inbox—from FYIs and parent complaints to staff questions and those never-e
Episode 4: Break the Rules (On Purpose) — Leading Beyond the Rulebook
What if the rules you’ve been following aren’t actually serving your people anymore? In this episode, we dig into why the best leaders don’t blindly follow rules—they question them, challenge them, and replace them with values and expectations that build stronger schools.
We’ll look at how rules often start with good intentions but can quickly shift into tools of cont
Episode 3: Don’t Wing It—Win It: Your Shortcut to Confident Conversations
Ever stared at your screen, knowing you need to respond…but the right words just aren’t coming? In this episode, we’re giving you ready-to-use scripts for the conversations and emails you have on repeat — from redirecting a student, to following up after a tough talk with a teacher, to calming an upset parent, to sending staff appreciation notes that actually feel genuine.
Episode 2: Setting the Culture Before it Sets Itself
Today we're diving into building and maintain a supportive and consistent school culture from the jump. In this episode, we discuss the importance of setting expectations clearly, ensuring consistency in actions, and addressing issues proactively to avoid culture pitfalls. We'll share practical insights into how school leaders can anchor their culture in routine, enhance visibility, and track cult
Episode 1: Setting the Right Tone from Day One
Welcome to the first episode of the Principal Exchange Podcast, where Sarah and Andra, seasoned educators and leadership coaches, guide you through making the first day of school a meaningful and stress-free experience. This episode tackles the common apprehensions and nervous energy surrounding the first day and shifts the focus from overwhelming events to building lasting impressions.
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Being a principal is one of the most rewarding—and overwhelming—roles in education. That’s why we created The Principal Exchange and now, The Principal Exchange Podcast.
Each week, we’ll bring you real strategies, honest conversations, and practical support to help you lead your school without losing yourself in the process. From time management to teacher feedback, staff culture to burnout, we’r
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