The Art World: What If...?!
The Art World: What If…?! is a podcast that reimagines culture, from painting to patronage. Hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman interview leading thinkers, creators, and innovators in the art world about how the system could change. Guests include museum leaders, collectors, and artists such as Glenn Lowry, Naomi Beckwith, Kemi Ilesanmi, Cecilia Alemani, and Sandra Jackson-Dumont. The series is produced by Studio Burns and brought by Schwartzman& for Art&.
Episodes
The Art World: What If...?! with Allan Schwartzman
As this season of The Art World: What If?! takes a break, Charlotte and Allan reflect on the conversations that have shaped it — from artists reimagining knowledge, time, and truth, to institutional leaders grappling with the frameworks that hold culture. Agnes Denes, Glenn Ligon, Sin Wai Kin, Nana Oforiatta Ayim, Glenn Lowry, Thelma Golden, and Kemi Ilesanmi offered perspectives that span genera
The Art World: What If...?! with Thelma Golden
In this episode, Allan Schwartzman sits down with Thelma Golden, director and chief curator of the Studio Museum in Harlem, ahead of the November opening of the museum's first purpose-built home. Rising seven stories and spanning 82,000 square feet on 125th Street, the new building is rooted in the aspirations and vision of the artists, activists, philanthropists, and Harlem residents who founded
The Art World: What If...?! with Glenn Lowry
In this episode, host Charlotte Burns sits down once more with Glenn Lowry during his final week as director of the Museum of Modern Art in New York. Over three decades, Lowry transformed MoMA—expanding its collection, reshaping its galleries, and reimagining what a museum, and "modern" itself, can mean. He has guided the museum through moments of crisis and transformation—from 9/11 and global fin
The Art World: What If...?! with Sin Wai Kin
Artist Sin Wai Kin constructs fantasy worlds to show how storytelling doesn't just reflect reality—it creates it. Through characters like 'The Storyteller', and works that present us with newsreaders in parallel universes or boy band members embodying the marketed self, their practice threads the line between frightening and funny, stretching language to places where it becomes both meaningless an
The Art World: What If...?! with Allan Schwartzman
After a long, news-filled summer, host Charlotte Burns reconvenes with founder Allan Schwartzman to take stock of an art market that feels… different. From major shifts at the auction houses and slowing sales at international fairs to a mounting list of gallery closures, this episode digs into the forces reshaping today's market. What does contraction mean for artists—especially those losing repre
The Art World: What If...?! with Nana Oforiatta-Ayim
There is never just one way of seeing. And Nana Oforiatta-Ayim—writer, filmmaker, cultural historian, and institution builder—has spent her career proving exactly that. For Nana, who founded the ANO Institute of Arts and Knowledge in Ghana and curated the country's critically acclaimed first national pavilion at the Venice Biennale in 2019, art is not sealed off in white cubes but alive, porous, a
The Art World: What If...?! with Glenn Ligon
Glenn Ligon makes art that asks us to look again. An artist, writer, and curator, his practice moves between the studio and the gallery, the page and the public sphere, spanning painting, neon, print, installation, and beyond. From text-based canvases grounded in the words of James Baldwin to glowing neons that play with the idea of America, and from intimate drawings to monumental works, Glenn ex
The Art World: What If...?! with Kemi Ilesanmi
Kemi Ilesanmi is planting seeds for the future. Three years ago, she stepped back from running The Laundromat Project, took a gap year in which she visited 13 countries, and came back full of ideas and possibilities. Now she's an independent arts worker. A diaspora weaver. A connector of people and worlds. She says that five core values drive her work: Assume abundance. Foster connections. Multipl
The Art World: What If...?! with Allan Schwartzman
Longtime podcast collaborators Allan Schwartzman and Charlotte Burns sit down for a conversation about an art industry in profound flux. After almost a decade of podcasts tracking how everything has changed, the duo is now looking ahead—and the view is complex. In this frank conversation, they discuss everything from the art market to museum models, to artists history has overlooked. This is a rec
The Art World: What If...?! with Agnes Denes
The artist Agnes Denes saw it coming. Machines taking over. Technology converging with consciousness. History on a pendulum swinging perilously back and forth. In this intimate conversation recorded with host Charlotte Burns in Denes' downtown Manhattan loft apartment and studio space, they talk about her work. When Denes wrote about these things more than 50 years ago, it was prescient, unsettlin
The Art World: What If...?! with Dr. Mariët Westermann
In this bonus episode, we're joined by the newly appointed director and CEO of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum and Foundation, Dr. Mariët Westermann, who is the first female appointed to the role. Mariët oversees the "constellation" of museums—four over three continents united, she says, in one mission, "to create opportunities for anyone to engage with the transformative and connective power of
The Art World: What If...?! with Deana Haggag, Mia Locks and Jay Sanders
Join us for the almost final episode of this season where we welcome back our incredible team of editorial advisors who guide, suggest — and even challenge — what we've discussed this series. Joining us are Deana Haggag (program officer at the Mellon Foundation), Mia Locks (curator and co-founder of Museums Moving Forward), Jay Sanders (curator, writer, and director of Artists Space), and of cours
The Art World: What If...?! Transforming Museums with Mia Locks, Fatoş Üstek and Laura Raicovich
What if you were embroiled in a public workplace controversy? And what happens on the other side of the headlines—would you walk away from your field, or would you reengage with it to try and improve upon it? This very special episode is a break from the norm. In it, we discuss museums and change—and what it takes to get to that change. We're joined by three curators—Mia Locks, director and co-fou
The Art World: What If...?! with LaToya Ruby Frazier
This time, we're joined by the artist LaToya Ruby Frazier, just before the opening of her major new exhibition 'Monuments of Solidarity' at the Museum of Modern Art in New York. "This exhibition spiritually uplifts people," she says. "It inspires people to be the change they need, but it also inspires them to be better human beings. To look beyond the self, to look beyond individualistic desires,
The Art World: What If...?! with Bryan Stevenson
In this episode, we visit the Legacy Sites in Montgomery, Alabama, including the newly opened Freedom Monument Sculpture Park, a 17-acre site on the banks of the Alabama River. We interview their founder, the lawyer and civil rights hero, Bryan Stevenson, who says that a founding narrative of racial difference was created in America that "was like an infection. I believe the infection has spread.
The Art World: What If...?! with Karen Patterson
This time we welcome Karen Patterson, the Executive Director of the Ruth Foundation for the Arts. The organisation immediately became a major player when it launched in 2022, announcing plans to give away up to $20 million a year to arts organisations, thanks to a $440 million bequest from Ruth DeYoung Kohler. We delve into the what-ifs of philanthropy, the foundation's ethos, and its ambitious in
The Art World: What If...?! with Allan Schwartzman
"The market is poised for a big fall, so it's more 'when', than 'what if'," says Allan Schwartzman, founder of the podcast. He's back on the show to talk all about the state of the art market and the broader implications of its changing dynamics for the artists and for the cultural landscape at large. "Greatness doesn't grow at the same rate as a population does," says Allan. "Greatness is extreme
The Art World: What If...?! with Kemi Ilesanmi
We welcome back Kemi Ilesanmi, the former executive director of the Laundromat Project and one of the standout stars of our first season. In season one, Kemi was just about to head off on the trip of a lifetime around 13 countries, including ten in Africa. She promised to come back and tell us how the trip changed her 'What Ifs.' "I'm looking for freedom of movement, freedom of ideas, and freedom
The Art World: What If...?! with Koyo Kouoh ~ Part 2
For the second part of our interview with Koyo Kouoh, the chief curator and executive director of Zeitz MOCAA, we hear about how she has worked to overhaul the infrastructure of the institution internally as well as better connect the museum externally within Cape Town. Koyo talks about how "colonialism as an enterprise, as a model of global relating, has done a lot of harm that we are still mendi
The Art World: What If...?! with Koyo Kouoh ~ Part 1
Joining us from Cape Town in South Africa is Koyo Kouoh, the chief curator and executive director of Zeitz MOCAA for the first in a two-part special. Originally destined for a career in finance, Koyo talks about her journey into the art world, and from Basel in Switzerland to Dakar in Senegal, where she founded RAW Material Company in 2008. She tells us about her move to South Africa in 2019 to ta
The Art World: What If...?! With Barbara Gladstone
Legendary art dealer Barbara Gladstone joins us for a very rare interview from the studio in New York. What would she do differently if she started a gallery today? "I probably wouldn't do it," she says. Barbara has been at the top of the business since the 1980s and now represents more than 70 artists and estates. She tells us how she started out with a small print business, and how things devel
The Art World: What If...?! with Phillip Ihenacho
"West African culture is starting to become the future" says Phillip Ihenacho, the director of the newly established Museum of West African Art. What if you built a new museum in West Africa, where a glorious ancient history contrasts with a brutal colonial one? What if we really considered the full meaning of restitution and repair? Can a cultural organisation build a stable financial future by b
The Art World: What If...?! with Jarl Mohn
In this episode, we welcome Jarl Mohn, the LA art collector and philanthropist who founded the E! Entertainment network in his professional life, among other impressive media and business ventures. Jarl became a DJ at a young age, partly in an attempt to escape the realities of life in a state foster home. Success in his professional career led him to the art world - which he initially distrusted
The Art World: What If...?! with Hoor Al Qasimi
What if we write our own histories? What if we create the change we seek? In this episode, we talk to the President and Director of Sharjah Art Foundation, Hoor Al Qasimi, under whose watch, Sharjah has become one of the most influential centers for cultural creation and research in the Global South. From revamping art biennials to creating new universities, overseeing architectural triennials, r
The Art World: What If...?! with Salome Asega
Described as the "next generation of leadership", in this episode we welcome Salome Asega, the director of NEW INC in New York and an accomplished artist, whose work is at the cutting edge of creativity and technology. Salome's ability to look towards—and build—the future shines through in this conversation with host Charlotte Burns. Part of her work at NEW INC, she says, is about creating chance
The Art World: What If...?! with Alvaro Barrington
In this episode host Charlotte Burns is joined by artist Alvaro Barrington, who brings as much generosity of spirit to this conversation as he does to his art practice. Fundamentally curious, Alvaro wants to connect with as many people as possible and to make art that is as relevant to people today as Hip Hop was to him as a kid growing up in New York in the 1990s. But, as the art world has expand
The Art World: What If...?! with Jessica Morgan
We're back! In this episode, host Charlotte Burns talks to Jessica Morgan, the director of the Dia Art Foundation. She has revitalized the institution, which is celebrating its 50th anniversary, since arriving in 2015, bringing new energy and distinct vision to the museum and creating change behind-the-scenes as much as she has to the work on display. In this episode Jessica talks openly about the
The Art World: What If...?! with Alice Smith
Welcome back to The Art World: What If…?! the podcast all about imagining new futures. To kick off the second season in style, host Charlotte Burns is joined by the phenomenally talented, Grammy-nominated, singer and songwriter, Alice Smith who is, she says, currently at work on her masterpiece. This is a frank, free — and very fun — conversation, with lots of surprises. Alice delves into what it
Introducing Series 2 ~ The Art World: What If... ?!
Welcome back to The Art World: What If... ?! the podcast all about imagining new and better futures. There are some fantastic guests lined up for this second season, leading creative thinkers from all around the world, ready to talk to our hosts Allan Schwartzman and Charlotte Burns. Tune in! New episodes drop every Thursday starting 25 January.
The Art World: What If...?! with Deana Haggag, Mia Locks and Jay Sanders
This time hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman welcome their team of editorial advisors Deana Haggag, Mia Locks and Jay Sanders. They're the brilliant trio who've helped steer this season's conversations acting as an independent sounding board lending editorial advice and expertise - all essential in the creation of this podcast. This is (almost) the season finale - so time to reflect and l
The Art World: What If...?! Glenstone special, with Emily Rales
What if we supported artists in taking moonshots? This week we're taking a tour around Glenstone museum in Potomac, Maryland - one of the largest and most ambitious private institutions in America, fusing art, architecture and nature. This wide-ranging conversation between Glenstone's co-founder and director, Emily Rales and host Charlotte Burns covers the art inside the museum and how to create
The Art World: What If...?! with Pope.L
What if we made more mess? What if we could sit with discomfort? This time Charlotte Burns talks to one of her heroes, the artist Pope.L. Probably best known for his public performance art including his legendary crawls, Pope.L has risked his own safety for his work — and he isn't finished yet. An artist whose practice is as varied as it is profound, Pope.L makes art across media, time and spa
The Art World: What If...?! with Kathy Halbreich
What if we trusted artists more? This episode Charlotte Burns is joined by Kathy Halbreich, the outgoing director of the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation, who's led some of the most dynamic institutions in the art world. They discuss freedom, finances and what the future holds for museums and those who work in them. "You could not pay me enough money to be a museum director at this point in my life,
The Art World: What If...?! with Allan Schwartzman
Time to take stock this episode with hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman. We look back at some of the big ideas that have emerged throughout the series so far. From change and creativity, to finance and futures, we discuss what's amazed, delighted—and even filled us with hope. "I think a lot more about excess than abundance," says Allan. "There is a generosity with which the word abundance
The Art World: What If...?! LA Special with Cauleen Smith and Kibum Kim
We're still in the city of angels for our second special episode asking 'What if LA is the future?' Join host, Charlotte Burns, as she drives from the East Side to Korea Town and out to Santa Monica. We visit the studio of artist and filmmaker, Cauleen Smith, whose life and work centers around building a better world. We also drop in on Kibum Kim, partner and co-founder at Commonwealth and Council
The Art World: What If...?! LA Special with Connie Butler and Sue Bell Yank
What if Los Angeles is the future? This episode Charlotte Burns visits the city for the first of two extra special episodes. We're at the Hammer museum with its Chief curator, Connie Butler, before heading over to meet Sue Bell Yank who's Executive director at Clockshop. Both are experimenting with how to do things differently and how to make LA a sustainable place to be and to create art. Nowhere
The Art World: What If...?! with American Artist
What if it were possible to dream up entirely new things? Join host Charlotte Burns as she interviews one of the most interesting artists working today. American Artist — who changed their name in 2013 — produces deeply thoughtful work that is as enmeshed in digitization and technology as it is history and alternate realities. American talks about how their art tackles police violence in the US. T
The Art World: What If...?! with Rashida Bumbray
This episode, Charlotte Burns is joined by Rashida Bumbray whose career straddles different realms within culture. A choreographer and curator, Rashida aims to create new spaces of imagination, empowerment, and connection. While the data and the daily realities of the art world can reflect a scarcity, Rashida's work—notably the recent organization of artist Simone Leigh's Loophole of Retreat Summi
The Art World: What If...?! with Paul Chan
In this episode, we get into some of the biggest What Ifs —about virtue and value, about life and loss. Host Charlotte Burns is joined by one of the most thoughtfully provocative (or cunning, as he'd say), artists of our time, Paul Chan. He made his name in the early 2000s with film and media works, and by 2008 had found significant success. Then, he stopped making art. Now he's back with a show
The Art World: What If...?! with Joeonna Bellorado-Samuels
What if the art market had more faith in its own future? What if we could improve the health of the swamp? This episode, we consider the state of the market and who better to join Charlotte Burns than co-host, the art advisor Allan Schwartzman, along with Joeonna Bellorado-Samuels, director at Jack Shainman Gallery in New York and founder of We Buy Gold. Together they discuss the boom and bust, as
The Art World: What If...?! with Sandra Jackson-Dumont
What if we reimagine the role of the museum? What if we bring more intention to what culture can be and do—and by whom and for whom? What if we tell ourselves different stories? In this episode, host Charlotte Burns talks to Sandra Jackson-Dumont, the CEO and director of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art—a new museum founded by filmmaker George Lucas and his businesswoman wife, Mellody Hobson. The
The Art World: What If...?! with Cecilia Alemani
What if the world was without ethics? What if financial value was no longer the way we talk about success? Cecilia Alemani, artistic director of the 59th Venice Biennale and director and chief curator of High Line Art in New York City joins host Charlotte Burns to discuss the role of the curator today. Cecilia masterminded the recent Biennale through the pandemic to rave reviews, notably for the
The Art World: What If...?! with Kemi Ilesanmi
What if we all name our dreams before following them? This episode we welcome Kemi Ilesanmi, the now-former Executive Director of The Laundromat Project, the non-profit focusing on the art of the everyday, amplifying community and artists as citizens and change agents. This show is all about what ifs, and Kemi operates from that place of abundant possibility. What if businesses invested in their s
The Art World: What If...?! with Glenn Lowry
What if we separated who funds the museum from who runs the museum on a board level? This episode, host Charlotte Burns welcomes Glenn Lowry who's been the director of the Museum of Modern Art in New York since 1995. He's led the institution through two vast expansions, and, of course, periods of profound change. This is a frank and revealing conversation covering a lot of ground. What if competit
The Art World: What If...?! with Naomi Beckwith
"Not just what if—but what are we missing?" In the first episode of this new podcast, host Charlotte Burns is joined by Naomi Beckwith, the Deputy Director and Jennifer and David Stockman Chief Curator of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum. Someone actively working to recalibrate the field in the most exciting and dynamic ways, Naomi starts this episode with science before moving onto museums—and ho
Introducing The Art World: What If...?!
Welcome to The Art World: What If...?! the latest podcast from the makers of In Other Words and Hope & Dread. The first episode will be available on 12 January 2023 and new shows will come out every Thursday.
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Phyllis Mitz
Hope & Dread Extra: Phyllis Mitz brings you a vision for the future in this interview with astrologer Phyllis Mitz. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for within the documentary series. But we didn't want to leave them on the
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Maya Benton
Hope & Dread Extra: Maya Benton features photography curator Maya Benton, who talks about staring down Neo-Nazi protestors. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for within the documentary series. But we didn't want to leave the
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Sandra Jackson-Dumont
Hope & Dread Extra: Sandra Jackson-Dumont brings you more from the inaugural director and CEO of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art, which is scheduled to open in Los Angeles next year. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for wi
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Issy Wood
Hope & Dread Extra: Issy Wood brings you a conversation with the talented young artist Issy Wood. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for within the documentary series. But we didn't want to leave them on the cutting room floo
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Kathy Halbreich
Hope & Dread Extra: Kathy Halbreich features a conversation with Kathy Halbreich, the executive director of the Robert Rauschenberg Foundation, about why she has put artists at the center of her vision of creating change. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Black Trustee Alliance
Hope & Dread Extra: Black Trustee Alliance focuses on a new organization—the Black Trustee Alliance—that hopes to bring change to the museum field. Tune in to hear from the collector and philanthropist Victoria Rogers, who is co-chair of BTA and Brooke Minto, its executive director. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Lulani Arquette
Hope & Dread Extra: Lulani Arquette brings you the highlights of our interview with the president and CEO of the Native Arts and Cultures Foundation, which is in the middle of an expansion into a new building in Portland, Oregon. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Dr. Kelli Morgan
Hope & Dread Extra: Dr. Kelli Morgan brings you more from Kelli Morgan, who recently left the museum field for academia after experiencing profound racism. She is now the professor of the practice and director of curatorial studies, history of art and architecture at Tufts University in Massachusetts. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites fro
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Tiffany Sia
Hope & Dread Extra: Tiffany Sia features the artist, filmmaker, and writer Tiffany Sia who recently left Hong Kong for fear of her safety.. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for within the documentary series. But we didn't wa
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Lord Ed Vaizey
Hope & Dread Extra: Lord Ed Vaizey brings you more from the former UK culture minister, Lord Vaizey of Didcot, who ran the Department for Culture, Media and Sport from 2010 to 2016 under a Conservative government. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that w
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Max Hollein
Hope & Dread Extra: Max Hollein brings you some highlights from our interview with the Marina Kellen French Director of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, who talks about his vision for the museum. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Michael Armitage
Hope & Dread Extra: Michael Armitage focuses on a conversation with artist Michael Armitage, who recently founded the Nairobi Contemporary Arts Institute (NCAI). Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we just didn't have room for within the documentary se
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Hamza Walker
Hope & Dread Extra: Hamza Walker brings you more from a season favorite—Hamza Walker, the director of LAXART in Los Angeles—who talks about an exhibition of decommissioned Confederate monuments he is co-organizing with artist Kara Walker. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas a
The Art World: Hope & Dread Extra, Amy Webb
Hope & Dread Extra: Amy Webb brings you more from the futurist Amy Webb, founder and CEO of the Future Today Institute and author of The Genesis Machine: Our Quest to Rewrite Life in the Age of Synthetic Biology. Hope & Dread Extra is a series of short, sharp bonus episodes featuring your season favorites from Hope & Dread. Our guests were brimming with additional ideas and extra insights that we
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Long Nights at the Round Table
For the final episode, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman are joined by the series' editorial advisors, Deana Haggag, Mia Locks and Jay Sanders. They'll highlight key discoveries and plot some of the changes that have occurred during production of the programs. Where does power reside now in the art world? What does that mean for broader society? And, of course, in the middle of 2022, do
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Are You Sitting Uncomfortably?
As shifts in power scramble the chessboard, how are our guests reacting to the pace of change? Our interviewees—from critics to museum directors, philanthropists to an astrologer—share their tips for dealing with discomfort. The stakes are high: tune in to hear some of the solutions. New episodes available every other Wednesday. For more, follow @artand_media on Instagram / Twitter / LinkedIn /
The Art World: Hope & Dread, What We Talk About When We Talk About The Art Market
In the second of two episodes dedicated to the art market, Charlotte Burns turns to her series co-host; the richly experienced art advisor, critic and curator Allan Schwartzman, as he offers his understanding of where the market sits now—and how it may look in the future. Drawing out trends, strands, opportunities and obstacles, this program represents an intimate insight into an ever-fluctuating
The Art World: Hope & Dread, The Business of Art
In the first of two episodes dedicated to the business of art, Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman trace the changing contours of an industry defined by dealmaking. Power within the art trade is held by a few key players and yet, the art market shapes the lives and livelihoods of almost everyone working in art. In an art world that likes to season the cold logic of commodities trading with the l
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Artists: Players or Pawns?
In a series dedicated to tectonic shifts in power in art, why did we wait so long to devote a show to the artists themselves? Well, we wanted to paint a picture of the landscape in which those creators now live and work - and as you've heard, it is complex. In this episode we hear from artists who want to change the system with their own foundations, support networks and big ideas. These are stori
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Westward Ho!
The series heads north by northwest to Portland, Oregon to uncover a surprisingly hideous history: could it be that this hipster mecca was founded as a whites-only utopia? Answer: hell, yeah. When a curator has to rub shoulders with Neo-Nazis during the installation of her exhibition, there may well be trouble built into the very fabric of the state. We speak to the broader arts community in Portl
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Executive Session
Today you'll hear from that echelon who are really running America's museums: the board. This is where the real power in museums resides. We'll find out if these trustees have fully grasped the issues that museums need to tackle today. Do they have ambitious enough solutions? Who makes sure the museum sticks to its mission, or that the trustees are doing their job? After all - who governs the gove
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Take Me To Your Leader
Having examined the pressure mounting on institutions from the street, the public galleries and then from within - this penultimate museum-focused episode asks who'd want to run one? Hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman ask the director of the Met how comfortable that throne really is. Who should run the nation's museums? Who'd want to, amidst a world of shifting certainties? Hope & Dread h
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Infernal Affairs
We're going behind the scenes at the museum to better understand the recent groundswell of voices criticizing museum power structures as they exist, coming in the form of unionization efforts, artist-led activism and open letters by disgruntled staff. Are museums practicing what they preach? After all, if you can perfectly preserve a 14th-Century Persian carpet in a climate-controlled glass vitrin
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Burning Down The House?
Museums have become cultural battlegrounds—monuments to meaning that are struggling to contain democracy. Museums have mushroomed: from audience numbers to board members, from the value of art to the real estate that houses it, and from international interest to the size of local protests. Hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman will guide you through the troubled museum system over the next
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Controlling Culture
Political arguments and cultural debates have become indivisible in recent years and this episode explores ideas around controlling culture from above. Hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman will hear from a British politician who says he'd return the controversial "Elgin Marbles" to Greece if he had the chance and, as China cracks down on dissenting voices with its national security law for
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Introduction
Introducing this new documentary series exploring power in art, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman discuss the biggest challenges in the cultural world today. At a moment of epochal shifts and changing certainties, these are issues that extend well beyond the art world—from governments and human rights, to history and democracy. Arguments around monuments are linked to debates about m
The Art World: Hope & Dread, American History, Axed
America's public spaces have been throbbing with the sounds of loud arguments about history and identity, encapsulated by the debate over Confederate monuments. In this episode, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman introduce you to artists and curators suggesting new ways of dealing with American history—taking you behind the arguments about whether statues should stay or go and offering a
The Art World: Hope & Dread, Introducing Hope & Dread
Introducing this new documentary series exploring power in art, hosts Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman discuss the biggest challenges in the cultural world today. At a moment of epochal shifts and changing certainties, these are issues that extend well beyond the art world—from governments and human rights, to history and democracy. Arguments around monuments are linked to debates about museu
The Art World: Hope and Dread
The series explores power in art--and how it's bound up with democracy, society and the wider world. You'll meet people who are trying to change the balance of that power, and you'll witness resistance to that change. You'll hear about what's been won and what's been lost with an art market explosion fueled by money, technology and shifts in taste and power. Talking to dozens of people, from artis
The Art World: In Other Words, Collaboration is the antidote to the poison
From acts of solidarity to new business models, many in the art world are teaming up during this pandemic to bolster the system and rethink its infrastructure. Joining us for today's show are guests including financial journalist Felix Salmon; gallerists Sadie Coles of Sadie Coles HQ and Vanessa Carlos of Carlos/Ishikawa; artist Doron Langberg; culture and politics writer Marisa Mazria Katz; and n
The Art World: In Other Words, Covid-19 is Exposing the Fault Lines
Will Covid-19—which is so far spreading unevenly in the US, hitting low-income or black communities the hardest—exacerbate the inequities in the art world? In our 78th episode, host Charlotte Burns and Allan Schwartzman (co-founder of AAP and a chairman of Sotheby's) discuss the impact of the coronavirus pandemic. Can art itself provide solace during this period of grief and fear? And how will the
The Art World: In Other Words, "Art is About Freedom," with Gallerist Sadie Coles
"Art is about ideas, transgression and transformation," says gallerist Sadie Coles, who founded her eponymous gallery, Sadie Coles HQ, in London's Mayfair neighborhood in 1997, and now has two spaces in the UK capital. "And art needs freedom." In this wide-ranging podcast, recorded in London earlier in the year with host Charlotte Burns, Coles talks about everything from the nature of being an art
The Art World: In Other Words, The Magical Maureen Paley
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