
Integrated Rhythm
Integrated Rhythm is a conversational podcast in which two friends explore race and the Black experience within jazz dance and other Afro-centric social dance forms. It is hosted by Chisomo Selemani, an associate professor and Zambian heritage swing dancer, and Bobby White, a world champion swing dancer, instructor and historian. Episodes feature guests from the dance community and mix serious discussion of difficult subjects with bad puns and the occasional song. The stated aim is to make conversations about uncomfortable things feel comfortable and open.
Episodes

63: Let's Chisomo Our Way Through This
Chisomo discusses the concept of microaggressions with Bobby, and they have kind of a fun therapy session. Thanks so much to our Patreon Patrons!Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van EnisKatja AlexandriaJuly BelberRebecca BurWeiDee MathewsBrooks PrumoJessie BrooksAryn KellyAudrey BuiIan DawsonKaren Compos McCormackAmy SorensonNika JinEmily BenzeAngel JenioNick CruickshankTaylor StenderLeila GassSelena Kru

62: A Great Place to Do a Little Gender (w HELEN GARFINKLE & MAX RAMIREZ)
HELEN GARFINKLE & MAX RAMIREZ take us on a journey, exploring trans life in the current swing scene. Thanks so much to our Patreon Patrons!Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van EnisKatja AlexandriaJuly BelberRebecca BurWeiDee MathewsBrooks PrumoJessie BrooksAryn KellyAudrey BuiIan DawsonKaren Compos McCormackAmy SorensonNika JinEmily BenzeAngel JenioNick CruickshankTaylor StenderLeila GassSelena Kruse

61: Bouncing at the Savoy
Celebrate 100 years of the Savoy Ballroom with this special Swing-You-Should-Know episode!Thanks so much to our Patreon Patrons!Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van EnisKatja AlexandriaJuly BelberRebecca BurWeiDee MathewsBrooks PrumoJessie BrooksAryn KellyAudrey BuiIan DawsonKaren Compos McCormackAmy SorensonNika JinEmily BenzeAngel JenioNick CruickshankTaylor StenderLeila GassSelena KruseRyan LemarCalTa

60: Two Things Can Be True At The Same Time (w/ SHANI BROWN & BRITTNEY CARAWAY)
(With longtime SoCal dancer BRITTNEY CARAWAY and International Bal and Lindy dancer SHANI BROWN.)Marge Takier -- Southern California Balboa and Lindy Hop old timer, incredible DJ, and co-founder of Bobby McGee's dance parties in the 70s-2000s, was part of a group of elderly original dancers that welcomed hundreds of new, younger dancers into the world of swing dance. A few, though, didn't

59: The Tale of a Bromance (w A.J. HOWARD and TIM CHRISTOPHER
Incredible dancers TIM CHRISTOPHER and A.J. HOWARD joined us in front of a LIVE audience at LINDY FOCUS '25. We discuss how music shaped Tim's dancing, why A.J. loves air steps, why their friendship is important as two Black men in the scene. We also get a "hot take" from both of them. PATRONSThanks so much to our Patreon Patrons!Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van EnisKatja Alexandria

58: LinD&D
A special holiday treat for these dark times! (Also parents: Bad language in these here hills!)Join some international instructors for a special game of DnD full of battles, mule-ports, gatekeepers, lin-fected hordes, and the IRLHC Championships! Come with us to the land of Yavos!CASTANTHONY CHEN --- St. Savoy, a DwarfAJ HOWARD --- Big B, a half-orcLAUREL RYAN --- Alayon Trainer / "A-Train,&q

57: We-Andering (w/ CHRISTI JAY WELLS)
Professor and author of "Between Beats: The Jazz Tradition and Black Vernacular Dance" joined us at our little house at Herrang '25 to discuss Marshall Stearns, jazz academia, teaching history, helping camps do better, ally-ship, and other things. It was so good we had to keep it all.And of course, huge thanks to our patrons! (You can find us on patreon!)Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van

56: Looks Like Magic to Me (w/ DOMINIC HANNA & MATT RICHEY)
In this episode we talk to two professional Balboa instructors, DOMINIC HANNA and MATT RICHEY. Wediscuss what makes them love Balboa, what their current missions are as instructors in the scene, and what a welcoming dance scene looks like to Dominic (a Black American man) and Matt (a Queer man). And of course, huge thanks to our patrons! (You can find us on patreon!)Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van

55: Capital-T Tired (w/DEE DANIELS LOCKE & TYEDRIC HILL)
LIVE FROM HERRANG '25! We talk with Black American Lindy Hop instructors DEE DANIELS LOCKE and TYEDRIC HILL about the modern life of a Black Lindy Hop professional. And of course, huge thanks to our patrons! (You can find us on patreon!)Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van EnisKatja AlexandriaJuly BelberRebecca BurWeiDee MathewsBrooks PrumoJessie BrooksAryn KellyAudrey BuiIan DawsonKaren ComposMcCorm

54: The Conundrum of Mabel & Lee
Chi-Chi and Bobby discuss a conundrum that many dancers may face. Layers and layers! (Title has no relation to the actual incredible Black American dancer, singer, and all-around entertainer Mabel Lee. It was something that popped into our heads and we went with it in the episode.)And of course, huge thanks to our patrons! (You can find us on patreon!)Sasha KJustnigelAnn Sofie van EnisKatja Alexan
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39 [Special Rerelease]: I LOVE Fabric (w/DONNA M'SHANGA and LAURA WINDLEY)
[This is a rerelease of Episode 39! Which we took off neeeding to tackle some editing problems. But it should be good now!]Singer, fashionista, and co-leader of the Mint Julep Jazz Band LAURA WINDLEY loves to make her own clothing. One day she got some African fabric from a friend. As a White American woman, what should she do with it? We call in an expert, DONNA M'SHANGA, co-founder of Zambia

53: The Woodside 5 (w/ LAUREL RYAN, JAVIER JOHNSON, & CARLA HEINEY)
Chi-Chi and Bobby join fellow instructors LAUREL RYAN, JAVIER JOHNSON, and CARLA HEINEY to discuss a myriad of topics at this LIVE BEANTOWN episode! (...from 2023.) To those who don't know, LAUREL is a Black American woman instructor known for her Lindy Hop, solo jazz, and MCing, JAVIER (pronounced with a "J" as is his preference) is a Black American man instructor best known as a Ba

52: Capital-C Creativity
Was this one a good idea? We think so?Following a long red-eye flight and a certain Olympic break dancer's excuse for their performance, Bobby gives Chisomo a theoretical schpeel on values in Lindy Hop, and the problems of choosing one Black American value higher than others. Then they discuss. Shout-out to Shelby Johnson for inspirational posts. We're still learning, keep the conversation

51: "Hot Ones" (LIVE AT CAL BAL '24)
Happy New Year! Let's celebrate with one of the greatest live episode experiences we have had, a HOT ONES-style panel we did at CALIFORNIA BALBOA CLASSIC in 2024. We've got special guests JENNIFER LEE, ANDREA GORDON, and MATT RICHEY, joining your hosts Chisomo and Bobby, all eating increasingly hotter wings while trying to tackle the hard questions. You get all the talk, all of the bravado

50: Recipes, Museum Pieces, Silliness, & Props (w/URSULA HICKS)
50 EPISODES!! Oh, geeze. Recorded at HERRANG 2024. We joined with one of our great friends URSULA HICKS to discuss SO MUCH GOOD STUFF.
First, she tells us about Herrang's NEXT GENERATION PROJECT. Then, we play a little game where key words trigger Ursula to share some fun/enlightening/not-so-fun/hilarious dance situations that have taught us some important things.
Recently we have been using com

49: It's All About the Feel (w/ SYLVIA SYKES)
From Herrang 2024 comes a conversation with modern-era swing dancing legend SYLVIA SYKES! We discuss Balboa, old timers, judging, and so much more.
** Please note, due to recording conditions we did the best we could with the audio. Some of our software that cleans echoes and normalizes volume can cause a slight distortion occasionally in speech, but overall it sounds SO MUCH better than the orig

48: The Call Is Coming From Inside the House
Chisomo & Bobby break down breakdancing at the 2024 Olympics and what Lindy Hoppers can take away from it. The answers are often just more questions. But some of the topics they hit upon are... accessibility in sports/arts, doo rags and zoot suits, trying to take politics out of a political dance, Lindy Hop at the Harvest Moon Ball, and the introduction of Caitlin Clark into the WNBA.
We don&

47: The Adult Circle (w/ MARIE N'DIAYE & FELIX BERGHALL)
LIVE AT HERRANG 2024!
International Lindy Hop badasses Marie N'diaye (Phd) and Felix Berghall sit down with Chisomo & Bobby to discuss Blackness in the dance's history, culture, and classroom. You know, the small stuff.
Notes:
1. Audio only, no video this time.
2. We recorded in an echo-ey room and our fancy software did a great job of cutting out the echo however sometimes it makes

46: Cute in the face, cute in the waist
Chisomo & Bobby dive into a discussion on body types and the swing scene.
Huge thanks to our Patreon patrons!
Cassandra Filios
Kaydee Tower
Sasha K
Justnigel
Ann Sofie van Enis
Katja Alexandria
July Belber
Rebecca BurWei
Dee Mathews
Brooks Prumo
Jessie Brooks
Aryn Kelly
Audrey Bui
Ian Dawson
Karen Compos
McCormack
Amy Sorenson
Nika Jin
Emily Benze
Angel Jenio
Nick Cruickshank
Taylor Stender

45: Dance as Healing (w/ ANTHONY CHEN & LAUREL RYAN)
LIVE! at Beantown Lindy Hop Camp 2022, outside of Boston. Join ANTHONY CHEN & LAUREL RYAN as we discuss dance and healing, including a Q&A from audience members.
Please note: This was recorded just as the world seemed to be emerging from the Pandemic.

44: A Little Party Injured 12
Chisomo & Bobby react to episode 42's "The Gig," and discuss the act of Lindy Hop gigging and what it means to the art form. (Don't worry, we give a synopsis at the beginning.)
Huge thanks to our Patreon patrons!
Huge thanks to our Patrons!
Cassandra Filios
Kaydee Tower
Sasha K
Justnigel
Ann Sofie van Enis
Katja Alexandria
July Belber
Rebecca BurWei
Dee Mathews
Brooks P

43: Bobby vs. America
Chisomo Selemani is a US Citizen now! (One of us... one of us... one of us...) So, for funsies, Bobby takes the citizenship test.

42: The Gig (w/ GABY COOK, AJ HOWARD, & LAURA GLAESS)
International swing dance instructors and New York resident giggers GABY COOK, A.J. HOWARD, LAURA GLAESS, and Bobby White tell Chisomo the story of a recent gig they did. Enjoy. (In our next episode, Chisomo will reflect on the craziness.)
Huge thanks to our Patrons!
Cassandra Filios
Kaydee Tower
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Justnigel
Ann Sofie van Enis
Katja Alexandria
July Belber
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Bro

41: Not Uncomplicated
Chisomo talks through some of the feelings of being hired as a Black woman instructor in the modern swing scene. Bobby talks about a time he recently switched the names of two of his close Black friends, in person, in a group of dancers.
Huge thanks to our Patrons!
Sasha K
Justnigel
Ann Sofie van Enis
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July Belber
Rebecca BurWei
Dee Mathews
Brooks Prumo
Jessie Brooks
Aryn Kelly

40: Say "Yes" To What We Have (w/ URSULA HICKS)
In this episode, we talk to dance instructor and ILHC MC URSULA HICKS about Lindy Hop clothing, honky-tonking, contact improvisation, and what she would add to the world of Lindy Hop teaching.
Thanks to our Patreon Patrons!
Patrons--
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Karen Comp

38: Walking Past the Norma Table (w TARYN NEWBORNE)
TARYN NEWBORNE , who started off in ballroom dance before finding swing and Lindy Hop, has combined her passions to become an amazing swing singer and band leader. She joined us to talk about her story, what a swing scene family is, and hopes for how we can emerge from the pandemic.
Making a great record takes a lot of time, and, sadly, money. You can help make a Taryn Newborne album a reality! Co

37: Put On Your Big Person Pants (w/ STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING)
We're back, with STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING! Fun times discussing Juneteenth, European racism, colorism, the Balboa scene, and more!
If you are able, please consider donating to our patreon!
https://www.patreon.com/integratedrhythm
(or one time donations to paypal.me/bobbywhite3)
And huge thanks to our Patreon patrons: Jessica Brooks, Aryn Kelly, Audrey Bui, Ian Dawson, Amy Sorenson, Nika Jin, Angel

36: You & M-ebonics
Chisomo & Bobby discuss the "You're Wrong About" podcast's fantastic "Ebonics Controversy" episode. We discuss what makes a language a language, code switching, and authenticity.
If you are able, please consider donating to our patreon!
https://www.patreon.com/integratedrhythm
(or one time donations to paypal.me/bobbywhite3)
And huge thanks to our Patreon patrons: Jessica Brooks, Aryn Ke

35: On the Edge of Your Seat (Norma Miller Stand-up Block Party! PART 2!)
In PART 2 of our Season 2 debut, Michelle Stokes, Laurel Ryan, Andrea Gordon, and Julia Loving join Chisomo & Bobby to listen to Norma Miller's 1970s stand up album and discuss it and what makes humor of its time. Btw, ALL THE CONTENT WARNINGS.
If you are able, please consider donating to our patreon!
https://www.patreon.com/integratedrhythm
And huge thanks to our Patreon pa

34: Healthy, Sexless & Single (Norma Miller's Stand Up Block Party)
In our Season 2 debut, Michelle Stokes, Laurel Ryan, Andrea Gordon, and Julia Loving join Chisomo & Bobby to listen to Norma Miller's 1970s stand up album and discuss it and what makes humor of its time. Btw, ALL THE CONTENT WARNINGS.
If you are able, please consider donating to our patreon!
https://www.patreon.com/integratedrhythm
And huge thanks to our Patreon patro

QUICKIE: Honoring Michelle
As many of you know our beloved Michelle Stokes unexpectedly passed away in early February. This is just a brief episode about that regarding our Integrated Rhythm family, our season 2 start date, and how we all might honor Michelle in the IR spirit. It includes a clip of Michelle from a conversation following a recent episode recording.
Also, if you haven't already, please listen to M

Season 2! Coming in 2022
We're back in January with a new season of Integrated Rhythm! We explain how that'll go, and what kept us away for the last few months.
UPDATE: Due to some new software we're still getting the hang of, trying to make a living wage, and the passing of a close friend to IR, we are currently on hold with releasing season 2. We have already recorded seven episodes, so there's definitely more coming!!!

CHECK IT OUT: Summer of Soul
While we handle some life situations and prepare the next few episodes, check out Questlove's new documentary, "SUMMER OF SOUL"! And thank you all for your support!

33: Holding On
Holding on.
That seems to be a theme as we discuss Black American English, Southerners traveling North, and, of course, jazz dance.
0:00 Black American English: It's a language!
11:30 Bobby experiences a TINY bit of language discrimination, compared to how much Black Americans experience.
16:30 Discrimination of language is discrimination of people
20:00 Chisomo's s

32: Hope-timistic
Hope-timistic.
It's how we're feeling after the recent "Move Together: Build Back Better" event recently conducted (we said "build back together" in the podcast, our bad!), which even had some truth charcuterie from Chisomo (say that three times fast).
0:00 Some love
7:00 The everyday lens
13:00 Looking towards the future
15:00 Leaks in the fuel tank
19:00

31: Turning to History (w/ NICHOLAS CENTINO)
Turning to History
This is how NICHOLAS "NIKO" CENTINO, Assistant Professor of Chicana/o Studies at California State University, answered the complex questions brought up in an American background steeped in different cultures. In this conversation we discuss his own experiences as a Person of Color, as well as zoot suits, the Neo Swing era, and his new book, "Razabilly."
0:00 Razabilly
6:30 Where

30: Great Soundbites on Demand
Thanks for bearing with us as some life situations take place! We believe we can do a few more episodes before we have to take another short break. Enjoy this Char-Char & Bobby episode where we discuss a White swing dancer getting interviewed for a New York Times story about a Black swing dancer.
0:00 Btw, Bobby was a journalist
6:15 Bobby is called by the NYT
11:00 Why do they only do two pe

29: A Gaze into "A Day at the Races"
**Please note: an important life situation has come up that will most likely keep us from being able to do an episode or two in the near future. Please bare with us and enjoy a previous episode for your weekly fix of IR!**
This week, a reading of the article, "A Gaze into a Day at the Races" that dives into the background and context of the famous Whitey's Lindy Hoppers dance clip.
0:00 Whitey's

28: In Focus Finally (w/ CYNTHIA MILLMAN)
"In Focus Finally."
When author and librarian Cynthia Millman first saw Lindy Hop legend Frankie Manning dance in the 1980s, a lot of things about the dance finally came into focus. Little did she know she would end up going on the epic journey of co-writing Frankie’s memoir with him.
To celebrate World Lindy Hop Day and Frankie Manning's birthday, we at Integrated Rrhythm Podcast had a gre

27: Frieda, Lucille, Willa Mae, & Anne
Bobby tells the story of four incredible dancers who were Frankie Manning's partners, and Chisomo and IR fam LAUREL RYAN join in and listen along.
0:00 Frieda Washington & Creative Adventurousness
19:00 Lucille Middleton & Tall Coolness
28:30 Willa Mae Ricker & Fashionable Groundedness
49:30 Ann(e)? Johnson & Powerful Smallness
SOURCES:

26: Three Little Girls
Another Chisomo & Bobby episode! This week, the parable of the Three Little Black Girls. What would you do? Let us know at Intrhythm@gmail.com
0:00 Three Little Black Girls come up to us in the park…
6:00 "Too woke, Chisomo"
9:30 No one will see our dance if it's not out in the world…
20:00 Crucibles of talent
29:00 Independence vs interdependence

25: The Woman in the Door Frame
It's a Chisomo & Bobby episode, where they have a friend's talk that asks some questions about how Black culture relates to the dance and teaching, tells one of Bobby's most memorable Frankie Manning stories, and reveals which one of us is "the woman in the doorframe."
0:00 Mentorship & teaching
5:00 LaTasha Barnes: Balboa dancer?
7:30 The Nuances of Cultural Embodiment
11:00 You do

24: A Communal Circle (w/ JULIA LOVING)
A Communal Circle.
In this episode, (part 2 of 2) JULIA LOVING discusses her intimate history with Black New York art forms, the dances she runs in Harlem, and a controversial opinion that will make some people in Queens wanna fight. Also, Chisomo, Bobby tackle an important question from Julia.
0:00 Julia's Question
4:00 Laws, acts, amendments, mindset, What are white people doing to change that o

23: Black Joy, a Form of Resistance (w/JULIA LOVING)
In this episode (Part 1 of 2), we're with dancer, historian, educator, promoter, instigator, designer, and business owner JULIA LOVING. We share Norma Miller stories, the historical Civil Rights legacy of Julia's family, and how both have shaped the design of Julia's incredible swing dance events.
0:00 Miss Norma enters the room…
6:00 Norma's memories
8:35 Empowerment and tough love
11:00 Norma as

22: A Room with a Door (w/ LAUREL RYAN)
A room with a door...
Not just a great thing to have in a instructor contract, it's also a great thing to have in the swing dance scene as a whole.
In part 2 of 2, instructor, MC, and Lindy Focus meeting co-host LAUREL RYAN shares with us how the standards of Black Excellence give a warped door for Black instructors to enter the Instructor room, how the swing scene is designed like FaceBook, and h

21: A Sprinkle of White Supremacy (w/ LAUREL RYAN)
A Sprinkle of White Supremacy...
In part 1 of 2, instructor, MC, and Lindy Focus meeting co-host LAUREL RYAN shares with us the fascinating tales of learning Lindy Hop, confronting its harmful teaching practices, and how Black people are constantly battling between being undervalued and tokenized.
**Music in this episode by Barron Ryan! Go to barronryan.com and firstofitskind.net to learn mo

20: Pretend I'm Not Bouncing (w/ BRANDON BARKER)
Pretend I'm Not Bouncing.
Dancer BRANDON BARKER has his dance passion in three worlds --- the academy of a university where he is currently finishing up a BFA in concert dance, the legendary company of Black American dance Alvin Ailey where he has worked and trained, and the swing scene where he is a Lindy Hopper and Jazz dancer, performer, and teacher. See how those worlds criss-cros

19: The Junk Drawer
It's a Chisomo & Bobby episode, where we discuss a few topics.
0:00 A possible guest politely declined to be on our show, and we talk about it. It's all good, but we wanted to explore some things that brings up.
12:30 The art of not talking over Follower teachers, and what that tells us about inclusion.
28:30 We discuss Odysseus Bailer's great "How to Apologize" post, rece

18: Buzz Words (BLOCK PARTY #2, 2 of 2)
This is part 2 of 2 of our second Block Party. We are honored to have with us, MC and instructor MICHELLE STOKES, MC and instructor LAUREL RYAN --- both of which do the amazing music for our podcast, by the way --- we also have incredible swing dance researcher and history lover LEWIS ORCHARD, and 1972 Harvest Moon Ball champion and Mama Lou Parks Dancer CRYSTAL JOHNSON.
Buzz Words
1:00 Question #

17: Chocolate & Peanut Butter (BLOCK PARTY #2, Part 1)
Chocolate & Peanut Butter --- how do you feel about the combination? The discussion at Integrated Rhythm gets serious. In this BLOCK PARTY episode (Part 1 of 2), we discuss Duke Ellington, peanut butter & chocolate, tea & coffee, and high fantasy. Guests include MICHELLE STOKES, LAUREL RYAN, LEWIS ORCHARD, and CRYSTAL JOHNSON.
2:00 -- Crystal meets Duke Ellington
7:30 -- M

16: My Exodus for Me to Begin (w/ CRYSTAL JOHNSON)
My Exodus for Me to Begin.
In Part II of a two-part conversation with Harvest Moon Ball champion and Mama Lou Parks dancer CRYSTAL JOHNSON, we cover her father, Whitey's Lindy Hopper Thomas "Tops" Lee, her coming back into the swing dance world, and her thoughts on how racism has changed since she was younger.
1:30 Thomas Lee, Mr. Showbiz
6:00 Maya Angelou and swing dancing
10:0 you have to feel

15: Don't Be Stingy With It. (w/CRYSTAL JOHNSON)
Don't be stingy with it.
We're talking about gifts, and the gift of dance that was given to our guest this week, the legendary CRYSTAL JOHNSON --- Harvest Moon Ball champion, Mama Lou Parks dancer, and the daughter of Whitey's Lindy Hopper Thomas "Tops" Lee, Jr.
In part 1 of this 2-part conversation, we discuss her early dancing life, her Harvest Moon Ball experience, and working with

14: Luxury Char-cute-erie (w/ MICHELLE STOKES)
In part 2 of our interview with emcee, jazz dance instructor, and Lindy Focus Meeting co-host, MICHELLE STOKES, we discuss nicknames, Michelle's philosophy of emceeing and teaching, the problems of Black-based imposture syndrome, and Michelle's ideal scene.
1:00 "Stoked to be here," White people and puns, nicknames in general
7:50 Michelle accidentally fell into Emceeing
10:30 H

13: To Be Black and Snatched (w/ MICHELLE STOKES)
To Be Black and Snatched.
Hair --- it's not only a cultural part of Black living, it's also a practical one. You might be surprised all the ways it plays a role in a Black person existing in a mostly Non-Black America, and specifically in a Non-Black swing dancing space. It's only one of the topics we discuss in today's action-packed episode.
In part I of this 2-part conversation, we talk to

12: The Rise of the Big Apple
In the late 1930s, a truly Black American dance experience took over America.
This episode is a reading of this week's Swungover article on the rise of the "The Big Apple" dance craze, the problematic news articles affiliated with it, and how Whitey's Lindy Hoppers adopted the dance in Harlem. You can read the article and see the Whitey's Big Apple footage over at www.swungover.com or on the

11: Indeegnance
Indeegnance. A word that beautifully captures all that we talk about in today's episode, including genetic-based racism vs assimilationist racism, language and perception, code switching, Beyonce's "Black is King," the burden of representation, and action verses emotion.
1:00 Bobby's sloppy set up: Genetic-based Racism vs Assimilationist Racism
4:30 Both kinds are present in the Swing dance scene

10: "Mmmm, That Ain't It, Baby." (w/ KENNETH SHIPP)
In this episode, Blues Dances instructor, DJ, and proud nerd KENNETH SHIPP discusses getting thrown into the middle of learning Line Dances, the dance lessons gotten from church, working first hand with Blues dancing pioneers, and how each has shaped the way he teaches dance and helps people chill the f&$% out.
(1:00) Kenneth on learning growing up, (7:00) My first experience at a white

09: A Little Stalker-y (w/ LEWIS ORCHARD & SHANI BROWN)
In this episode, Bobby & Chisomo talk with swing historians and history lovers LEWIS ORCHARD (a White British man) and SHANI BROWN (a Black American woman) about not being Black and researching Black people in history. Specifically, they will tell the story of researching the great Whitey's Lindy Hopper John Wesley "Tiny" Bunch, and discuss the process.
(1:30) It all began when…, (3:00)

SHORTY: The Life of "Tiny" Bunch
SHORTY: Short bonus episodes.
This "Shorty" is a reading of the Swungover Article "The Life of "Tiny" Bunch," about famous Whitey's Lindy Hopper John "Tiny" Bunch. This is a companion piece to podcast Episode 09: "A little Stalker-y" where we discuss the act of researching People of Color.

08: Genes Are Weird, Am I Right? (w/ SHANI BROWN)
This week we talk with international instructor of Balboa and Lindy, Shani Brown , about learning from the original SoCal swing dancers, the reality of their culture and lives, and the invisibility and visibility of herself as a Black woman in the scene.
We also briefly reflect on and respond to the events that happened at the Capital on Nov 6, 2021. (The day before this podcast was released.) Chi

CHECK IT OUT: Buzz Interview w/ Adolfo 'Shabba Doo' Quiñone (YouTube Vid)
CHECK IT OUT! Short tidbits where we point listeners to awesome things.
In this episode, we briefly tell you why you should watch The Buzz's interview with Soul Train dancer & Breakin' star Adolfo 'Shabba Doo' Quiñone, who recently passed away ahead of his time.
Here's the link to the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZFjQSmveA8&

07: A Complimentary Episode
In this episode, Chisomo & Bobby discuss White people complimenting Black people, and many of the layers involved.
(0:00) The setup. (4:00) compliments & microaggressions. (8:30) talking with the other person? It gets tricky. (10:30) looking at the context. (19:00) Black women's hair. (22:00) The exaggeration of Black people as a tool of oppression. (23:30) Black People and being suspiciou

06: Knocked Down? ...I DO Get Up Again. (Holiday Party, Part 2 of 2)
(Part 2 of 2!)
This is a special holiday episode with the Integrated Rhythm family and all of our guests so far --- LATASHA BARNES, JOEY OTENG, LAUREL RYAN, MICHELLE STOKES, and STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING!
CONTENTS:
(0:00) Question #3: What's a time when you've seen two cultures overlap unexpectedly?
(1:07) Product of an interracial AND international couple
(8:00) Immigrant kids tend to find each oth

05: You RESPECT The Muppets (Holiday Party, Part 1 of 2)
Special 2020 Holiday Party Episode! Perfect for being cooped up in your house in a Holiday quarantine! (Part 1 of 2) with LATASHA BARNES, JOEY OTENG, LAUREL RYAN, MICHELLE STOKES, and STEFFANIE AK SCHILLING! (Also check out the visual of the party on YouTube!)
And if you're a cheesy holiday movie fan, Joey's Hallmark lovefest is a must-listen (at 37:00)
CONTENTS (Approximates, may vary with

04: Season 27 of My Life (w/JOEY OTENG)
This week we talk with Social Justice Educator JOEY OTENG about 2020, academia, immigrant parents, and advice for the scene and the world in general. We also predict 93% of our listeners would happily go on a long walk on the beach with Joey by the end of the episode.
(2:00) Joey's infographics, (7:00) The moving sidewalk of Anti-racism, (10:00) About Joey and the TV show that is 2020, (16:30) Imm

CHECK IT OUT: "Unbothered" by Namwali Serpell (Article)
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