Fake Doctors, Real Friends with Zach and Donald
Zach Braff and Donald Faison, co-stars and real-life best friends from the TV show Scrubs, host a weekly comedy podcast where they rewatch and discuss episodes of the series. They share behind-the-scenes stories, reminisce about filming memories, and connect with super fans and former cast members.
Episodes
213: My Philosophy
On this week's episode, JD learns how to let one of his favorite patients go. In the real world, Zach and Donald discuss all the behind-the-scenes goodness of their first fantasy musical moment on Scrubs.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
212: My New Old Friend w Bill Lawrence
On this week's episode, JD and Elliot try to be friends after ending the "with benefits" aspect of their relationship. In the real world, Bill Lawrence is back!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
211: My Sex Buddy
On this week's episode, JD and Elliot test their relationship as they attempt to be friends with benefits. In the real world, Zach and Donald are delighted to learn GQ UK thinks they're #2. An essential worker gets a special gift from GT's Kombucha!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
210: My Monster
In this week's episode, JD asks out the Gift Shop Girl while Dr. Cox tries to satiate Jordan's appetite for curly fries. In the real world, we're talking Beyoncé's Black is King, Donald's helicopter parenting, and the comedy panties Zach once gave to a co-star.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
209.5: My Happy Accident With John C. McGinley
In this episode - record scratch. So, remember how Zach thought Johnny C. would be on episode 209? Well, turns out, so did Johnny. He took notes and everything! So, instead of asking Johnny to come back later, we decided to have a conversation about one of his best performances and what it's like working with Oliver Stone.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
209: My Lucky Day
On this week's episode, JD correctly diagnoses a patient that Dr. Cox struggles with and gets cocky. In the real world, Zach and Donald geek out over Michelle Branch, following Zach, and the time Donald met Tony Shalhoub.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
208: My Fruit Cup With Heather Locklear
On this week's episode, Turk and JD reveal how they beg, borrow, and steal to make ends meet as medical residents. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by television legend, Heather Locklear. Locklear recounts her days as a star on two prime-time television series and the #MeToo moment that led her to remove her name from The First Wives Club.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy inform
207: My First Step
On this week's episode, the crew becomes risk averse, and Dr. Cox tries to ignore his feelings for the new pharmaceutical sales rep. In the real world, Zach and Donald talk about their new adventures in video gaming, and Zach talks about his musical-themed Bar mitzvah.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
206: My Big Brother With Tom Cavanagh
In this week's episode, JD's older brother drops by Sacred Heart and humiliates his little brother with his lack of ambition. In the real world, Tom Cavanagh joins Zach and Donald to reminisce about the good ol' days, talk tattoos, and how to convince Greg Berlanti to put the guys in the DC Universe. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
205: My New Coat
In this week's episode, JD begins feeling like a doctor and upgrades his wardrobe to include a white medical coat. Meanwhile, Eliot discovers her new identity at the hospital. In the real world, Zach and Donald are all over the place discussing edibles, their love for Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn, and how many bugs are legally allowed in a can of tuna.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy inform
204: My Big Mouth
In this week's episode, JD betrays Carla's trust, and Turk realizes he only advanced in Kelso's eyes because Kelso is sexist. In the real world, Zach and Donald discuss Donald's munchie problems and their frustration with the lack of mask wearing in the USA.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
203: My Case Study With Ken Jenkins
On this week's episode, JD defies Dr. Cox's wishes and strives for success in a competition Dr. Kelso is running amongst the residents. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Kelso himself, Ken Jenkins.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
202: My Nightingale
On this week's episode, Carla stays at the hospital overnight to help her friends as then endure their first night in charge of the hospital. In the real world, Zach and Donald remember their good friend Nick Cordero. Footnotes: Nick Cordero in Bullets Over Broadway Support for Nick's spouse and child. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
201: My Overkill
In this week's episode, the crew deals with the fallout of Jordan's season one truth bomb. In the real world, Zach and Donald recap the summer they lived above Amy Tan and the horrible musical they performed for the season two upfronts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
124: My Last Day with Bill Lawrence and Christa Miller
On this week's episode, it is the season one finale! Kristen is back, and she's ready to expose everyone's dirty little secret. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by real-life couple goals - Bill Lawrence and Christa Miller. They talk about the first year of Scrubs and the beginning of friendships that would last a lifetime.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
123: My Hero With Brendan Fraser
On this week's episode, Dr. Cox struggles to support his best friend through Chemotherapy. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Brendan Fraser! Brendan reveals his love of photography, the time he worked with Mos Def, and what it's like to be stopped by Scrubs fans nearly 20 years after his first appearance on the show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
122: My Occurrence With Shea Serrano
On this week's episode, Dr. Cox's best friend (Brendan Fraser) shows up at the hospital and receives a horrifying diagnosis. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by writer Shea Serrano, who breaks down precisely what makes Scrubs so iconic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
121: My Sacrificial Clam With Neil Flynn
On this week's episode, JD learns about the harsh realities of risking his life as a doctor. In the real world, Zach and Donald finally talk with Neil Flynn, aka The Janitor! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
120: My Way of the Highway With Scott Foley
In this week's episode, Eliot is swept off her feet by the handsome Sean. In the real world, Zach and Donald are swept off their feet as they recall the WB's Felicity, and their misunderstood TV series.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
119: My Old Man With Sarah Chalke
On this week's episode, the big three are all visited by their parents, causing a wave of regression among the young doctors. In the real world, the big three are back in action, as Sarah Chalke joins Zach and Donald for another trip down memory lane.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
My Premiere Night Primer
JD and Turk are back, and so are Zach and Donald. In this one episode special, Zach and Donald tease the upcoming relaunch of our favorite show, Scubs. Don't worry about spoilers, Z and D share some behind-the-scenes stories while Joelle and Danl give their unfiltered opinion about the premiere episode. Make sure to check out the debut of the Scrubs reboot on ABC and Hulu beginning Febru
118: My Tuscaloosa Heart With Christa Miller
In this week's episode, Turk and Eliot learn about Dr. Kelso's secret talent. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by actress Christa Miller.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
117: My Student
In this week's episode, JD, Turk, and Eliot each get an intern to guide them through their first weeks at Sacred Heart. In the real world, Zach and Donald finally hear from the Scrubs Wiki guy, and Bill answers more questions.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
116: My Heavy Meddle With John C. McGinley
On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD struggles to watch his mentor succumb to the pressures of the job. In the real world, Zach and Donald are once again joined by the great John C. McGinley.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
115: My Bed Banter and Beyond With Randall Winston
On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD and Eliot attempt to carry out a secret relationship while at work. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Scrubs Producer Randall Winston.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
114: My Drug Buddy
On this week's episode, JD learns his new girlfriend has a secret drug habit. In the real world, Zach and Donald talk about theater camp.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
113: My Balancing Act
On this week's episode, JD tries to balance his new girlfriend and his job as a medical intern. In real life, Zach and Donald speak with Michael Spiller about directing episodes of Scrubs and how he made the move from cinematographer on Sex and the City to directing his first episode of television.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
112: My Blind Date
On this week's episode, JD's stuck babysitting a patient, but the mystery patient could end up being a new love interest. In the real world, Zach and Donald's eel.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
111: My Own Personal Jesus
In this week's episode, Turk questions his faith after a particularly difficult Christmas in the ER. In the real world, Zach and Donald recount the inspirations behind one of the best dream sequences in Scrubs' history.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
110: My Nickname With Bill Lawrence
On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD and Carla's friendship hits a rough patch, and recurring character Jill Tracy makes her debut. In the real world, Zach and Donald welcome back their first repeat guest, Bill Lawrence!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
109: My Day Off
On this week's episode, JD gets a day off! Then he gets appendicitis. And Turk's going to operate?! In the real world, Zach and Donald share their memories of the late, great Sam Lloyd.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
108: My Fifteen Minutes with Judy Reyes
JD and Turk save a cameraman's life in this week's episode. But Turk doesn't like it when he's made to be the poster minority for the hospital. In real life, Donald and Zach are joined by Carla, aka Judy Reyes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
107: My Super Ego with John C. McGinley
On this week's episode of Scrubs, there's a new hotshot intern at Sacred Heart. JD's place at the top of his class may be in jeopardy. Meanwhile, in the real world, John C. McGinley joins Zach and Donald as they remember 9/11.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
106: My Bad
This week, JD doesn't trust Turk to perform surgery on him. Dr. Cox remains suspended, and his student just slept with his ex-wife. Back in reality, Zach and Donald discuss Scrubs' early advocacy for therapy. Gather 'round to hear out Scrubs Rewatch Show!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
105: My Two Dads
In episode 105, JD's torn between the compassionate care of Dr. Cox and the financially practical Dr Kelso. Meanwhile, Turk gave Carla an ass pen as a gift. In the real world, Donald does a deep dive into his Star Wars obsession, and Zach's got new boots! Gather 'round to hear our rewatch of My Two Dads. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
104: My Old Lady with Sarah Chalke
In episode 104, Turk, JD, and Elliot try to save their dying patient. Hospital statistics predict at least one will die. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Sarah Chalke, as she shares her early experience with the show, watching her baby sister grow into a real doctor, and explains her harrowing trips to the grocery store.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
103: My Best Friend's Mistake w/ Bill Lawrence
The will they/ won't they that is JD and Elliot begins to simmer in episode three as Scrubs tackles "the friend zone." In the real world, Zach and Donald talk to show creator Bill Lawrence about the first days of the series. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
102: My Mentor
This week, JD tries to help a patient stop smoking, while Turk works up the nerve to ask Carla out. In reality, Zach and Donald continue their binge, sing the song that made Leroy famous, and share some never before told stories of what happened at the 2001 upfront Scrubs' party.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
My Pilot/My First Day
Zach and Donald discuss filming in an abandoned hospital, the audition process, and why they were so starstruck by Sarah Chalke, aka Dr. Eliot. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 207: My First Step
On this week's classic episode, the crew becomes risk averse and Dr. Cox tries to ignore his feelings for the new pharmaceutical sales rep. In the real world, Zach and Donald talk about their new adventures in video gaming, and Zach talks about his musical themed Bar mitzvah. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy info
Our Last Hurrah
You might have noticed we've been out of the office for a while. Zach and Donald return to tell you what they've been up to and what the future of Fake Doctors might look like. As we prepare to say our goodbyes, we want to thank you beautiful humans for going on this crazy ride with us. We love you beyond measure. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 206 - My Big Brother With Tom Cavanagh
In this week's episode, JD's older brother drops by Sacred Heart and humiliates his little brother with his lack of ambition. In the real world, Tom Cavanagh joins Zach and Donald to reminisce about the good ol' days, talk tattoos, and how to convince Greg Berlanti to put the guys in the DC Universe. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 205 - My New Coat
In this week's episode, JD begins feeling like a doctor and upgrades his wardrobe to include a white medical coat. Meanwhile, Eliot discovers her new identity at the hospital. In the real world, Zach and Donald are all over the place discussing edibles, their love for Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn, and how many bugs are legally allowed in a can of tuna.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy inform
Real Friends Classic: 204 - My Big Mouth
In this week's episode, JD betrays Carla's trust, and Turk realizes he only advanced in Kelso's eyes because Kelso is sexist. In the real world, Zach and Donald discuss Donald's munchie problems and their frustration with the lack of mask wearing in the USA.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 203 - My Case Study With Ken Jenkins
On this weeks episode, JD defies Dr. Cox's wishes and strives for success in a competition Dr. Kelso is running amongst the residence. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Kelso himself, Ken Jenkins.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 202 - My Nightingale
On this week's episode, Carla stays at the hospital overnight to help her friends as then endure their first night in charge of the hospital. In the real world, Zach and Donald remember their good friend Nick Cordero. Footnotes: Nick Cordero in Bullets Over Broadway Support for Nick's spouse and child. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 201 - My Overkill
In this week's episode, the crew deals with the fallout of Jordan's season one truth bomb. In the real world, Zach and Donald recap the summer they lived above Amy Tan and the horrible musical they performed for the season two upfronts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 124 - My Last Day with Bill Lawrence and Christa Miller
On this week's episode, it is the season one finale! Kristen is back and she's ready to expose everyone's dirty little secret, In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by real-life couple goals - Bill Lawrence and Christa Miller. They talk about the first year of Scrubs and the beginning of friendships that would last a life time.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 123 - My Hero With Brendan Fraser
On this week's episode, Dr. Cox struggles to support his best friend through Chemotherapy. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Brendan Fraser! Brendan reveals his love of photography, that time he worked with Mos Def, and what it's like to be stopped by Scrubs fans nearly 20 years after his first appearance on the show. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 122 - My Occurrence With Shea Serrano
On this week's episode, Dr. Cox's best friend (Brendan Fraser) shows up at the hospital and receives a horrifying diagnosis. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by writer Shea Serrano, who breaks down precisely what makes Scrubs so iconic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 121 - My Sacrificial Clam With Neil Flynn
On this week's episode, JD learns about the harsh realities of risking his life as a doctor. In the real world, Zach and Donald finally talk with Neil Flynn, aka The Janitor! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 120 - My Way of the Highway With Scott Foley
In this week's episode, Eliot is swept off her feet by the handsome Sean. In the real world, Zach and Donald are swept off their feet as they recall the WB's Felicity, and their misunderstood TV series.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 119 - My Old Man With Sarah Chalke
On this week's episode, the big three are all visited by their parents, causing a wave of regression among the young doctors. In the real world, the big three are back in action, as Sarah Chalke joins Zach and Donald for another trip down memory lane. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 118 - My Tuscaloosa Heart with Christa Miller
In this week's episode, Turk and Eliot learn about Dr. Kelso's secret talent. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by actress Christa Miller.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 117 - My Student
In this week's episode, JD, Turk, and Eliot each get an intern to guide through their first weeks at Sacred Heart. In the real world, Zach and Donald finally hear from the Scrubs Wiki guy, and Bill answers more questions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 116 - My Heavy Meddle With John C. McGinley
On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD struggles to watch his mentor succumb to the pressures of the job. In the real world, Zach and Donald are once again joined by the great John C. McGinley.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic - 115: My Bed Banter and Beyond With Randall Winston
On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD and Eliot attempt to carry out a secret relationship while at work. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Scrubs Producer Randall Winston.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 114 - My Drug Buddy
On this week's episode, JD learns his new girlfriend has a secret drug habit. In the real world, Zach and Donald talk about theater camp.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 113 - My Balancing Act with Michael Spiller
On this week's episode, JD tries to balance his new girlfriend, and his job as a medical intern. In real life, Zach and Donald speak with Michael Spiller about directing episodes of Scrubs, and how he made the move from cinematographer on Sex and the City to directing his first episode of television.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 112 - My Blind Date
On this week's episode, JD's stuck babysitting a patient, but the mystery patient could become a new love interest. In the real world, Zach and Donald discuss their eels.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Blockbuster Musicals with Jon M. Chu + Myron Kerstein of Wicked
Zach and Donald welcome the director and editor of Wicked, Jon M. Chu and Myron Kerstein to the show. We try to get more information on Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dream Coat, what it was like listening to Cynthia Erivo sing, and how Ariana Grande nailed the comedy for the Popular scene. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 111 - My Own Personal Jesus
In this week's episode, Turk questions his faith after a particularly difficult Christmas in the ER. In the real world, Zach and Donald recount the inspirations behind one of the best dream sequences in Scrubs' history.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic - 110: My Nickname with Bill Lawrence
On this week's episode of Scrubs, JD and Carla's friendship hits a rough patch, and reoccurring character Jill Tracy makes her debut. In the real world, Zach and Donald welcome back their first repeat guest, Bill Lawrence! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Judy Reyes, Queen of TV
All hail the return of our Queen! Judy Reyes, known to many of you as Carla, never stays off TV too long. She tells Zach and Donald about her latest hit, High Potential. She also relays her fears about raising a trans child and shares her hopes for a new season of Scrubs. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic: 109 - My Day Off
On this week's episode, JD gets a day off! Then he get's appendicitis. And Turk's going to operate?! In the real world Zach and Donald share their memories of the late great Sam Lloyd.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Leila George and the Secrets of Disney World
Leila George stunned audiences as Young Catherine in Alfonso Cuarón's Disclaimer on Apple TV+. Playing Cate Blanchette's younger self is a unique challenge, particularly when they only had one day together. George talks to Zach and Donald about how she and her father, Vincent D'Onofrio, bonded at the most magical place in the world, Disney Land, her love for the secret Club 33, and the best
Real Friends Classic: 108 - My Fifteen Minutes with Judy Reyes
JD and Turk save a cameraman's life in this week's episode. But Turk doesn't like when he's made to be the poster minority for the hospital. In real life, Donald and Zach are joined by Carla, aka Judy Reyes.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Katie Lowes, Every Pretzel You've Ever had is a Piece of Crap
Katie Lowe's career is incredibly diverse. But when she was put into Waitress the Broadway musical, she relied on her experience giving birth to remind herself nothing was impossible. She discusses how to get ready for a show in 18 days, her love of SMASH, plus how her side hustle Schappy Pretzle took off during the pandemic.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic - 107: My Super Ego with John C. McGinley
On this week's episode of Scrubs, there's a new hotshot intern at Sacred Heart. JD's place at the top of his class may be in jeopardy. Meanwhile, in the real world, John C. McGinley join Zach and Donald as they remember 9/11.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Zach Cherry, Do a Flip Severance Guy
Zach Cherry found fame in an odd way, he had a single line in a Spider-Man film and became an overnight success. Of course, things always look different on the inside. Zach and Donald discuss whether or not his second appearance in the MCU is connected to his first. Plus we talk all things Severance. The Apple TV+ show has gained a huge following since it's first season, and for Zach it was an imm
Real Friends Classic -106: My Bad
This week, JD doesn't trust Turk to perform surgery on him. Dr. Cox remains suspended, and his student just slept with his ex-wife. Back in reality, Zach and Donald discuss Scrubs early advocacy for therapy. Gather 'round to hear out Scrubs Rewatch Show!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Jillian Turecki, Relationships are Projection
Jillian Turecki, aka the breakup fairy godmother, has been Zach's lifeline as he explores dating. Her unique approach to relationship advice, heavily influenced by her years as a yoga instructor, is to instill in her clients the ability to look into the mirror and confront their patterns with confidence. Zach and Donald discuss resentment, communication, and what makes a person feel safe in a rela
Real Friends Classic - 105: My Two Dads
In episode 105, JD's torn between the compassionate care of Dr. Cox, and the financially practical Dr, Kelso. Meanwhile, Turk gave Carla an ass pen as a gift. In the real world, Donald does a deep dive into his Star Wars obsession and Zach's got new boots! Gather 'round to hear our rewatch of My Two Dads.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
The Return of Johnny C.
Dr. Cox makes his triumphant return to Fake Doctors. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Real Friends Classic -104: My Old Lady with Sarah Chalke
In episode 104, Turk, JD, and Elliot try to save their dying patient. Hospital statistics predict at least one will die. In the real world, Zach and Donald are joined by Sarah Chalke, as she shares her early experience with the show, watching her baby sister grow into a real doctor, and explains her harrowing trips to the grocery store.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Ted McGinley was Almost Dr. Cox?!
Ted McGinley is not a great auditioner. He's got dyslexia and the process of presenting for strangers doesn't come naturally to him. But once he has the job, he's golden. His long career is proof enough. He's the guy, for decades, that was brough into a sitcom to pump up a dying series. He did it for Happy Days, Married with Children and The Love Boat. These were major projects in their era and Mc
Real Friends Classic -103: My Best Friend's Mistake w Bill Lawrence
The will they/ won't they that is JD and Elliot begins to simmer in episode three as Scrubs tackles "the friend zone." In the real world, Zach and Donald talk to show creator Bill Lawrence about the first days of the series.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Reid Scott Nearly Cast as JD on Scrubs?!
Reid Scott might be best known for his role as Dan Egan on Veep. He tells Zach and Donald about the early days of working on the comedy in Baltimore, Maryland. Despite frequently playing a jerk, he's got a big heart and shares his vulnerability around improving with some of the greatest comedians working. Plus Zach and Donald have an official doughnut out for sale right now. Zach's got a new lady
Real Friends Classic - 102: My Mentor
This week, JD tries to help a patient stop smoking, while Turk works up the nerve to ask Carla out. In reality, Zach and Donald continue their binge, sing the song that made Leroy famous, and share some never before told stories of what happened at the 2001 upfront Scrubs' party. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Charlotte Lawrence, Out the Womb Singing
Zach and Donald have known Charlotte Lawrence since before she was a baby. Now, she's all grown up. Charlotte recently completed a tour with Madison beer and had a fabulous turn on Bad Monkey, where she sang a duet with THE Paul McCartney! She discusses her thoughts on being a nepo baby, why Johnny C kicked her and bestie Olivia Rodrigo out of his house, and what it's like to finally start fe
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