The Trial
The Trial goes behind the headlines of some of the biggest trials in the world. It takes you into the courtroom, bringing detail as evidence unfolds, examining key moments, and carrying out exclusive interviews with detectives, victims, and experts. For ad-free listening and exclusive bonus episodes, subscribe to The Crime Desk.
Episodes
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: The Jury
The fate of Jamie Varley and John McGowan-Fazakerley is now in the hands of the jury. As this trial comes to an end Caroline and Liz have the final arguments, the final pleas and the final instructions to the jury. The decisions on the guilt or innocence of the two men on trial is now up to them.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWh
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “A Tragedy Waiting to Happen”
Preston Davey was in “peril at the hands of Jamie Varley” and John McGowan Fazakerly knew it - that’s what Peter Wright KC told the jury in this episode of the podcast with Caroline and Liz. As he closed his case, the prosecutor said Preston’s death was a “tragedy waiting to happen” - he said Jamie Varley had a sexual interest in children and he subjected Preston to a “litany of physical and psych
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Your worst fears”
In this episode John McGowan-Fazakerley tells the jury how he turned detective to try to piece together what caused his adopted son, Preston Davey, to die. He said he knew now that his trust in Jamie Varley had been misplaced because he hadn't known the extent of the disturbing content on his phone. John McGowan-Fazakerley denied ever abusing or harming Preston - he said the allegations were abhor
Update Episode - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: John McGowan-Fazakerley
In this update episode Caroline and Liz have the moment John McGowan-Fazakerley told his story. As he gave evidence for the first time, he said he and his partner Jamie Varley doted on their son. He also said he'd never seen Jamie Varley hit, punch, kick, poke, prod, smack or bite Preston and he said if he ever suspected his son was his danger, he would have grabbed him and run out of the front do
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Preston’s “brilliant life”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the cross-examination of Jamie Varley. He denies the prosecution’s claims that he abused Preston to punish him because he was struggling with being his main carer and resented his partner, John McGowan-Fazakerley, for working or being away.He also denies making up a ‘cock and bull story’ about how Preston died to cover his tracks.Instead he tells the jury that
Update Episode - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Your Plaything”
In this emergency update episode Caroline and Liz have the moment Jamie Varley’s story was picked apart. He was accused by the prosecutor of abusing Preston for his own amusement and gratification, of killing him, and then inventing a “cock and bull” story to cover it up.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Divided
In this episode Caroline and Liz have more of the evidence from Jamie Varley as he continues to give evidence in his own defence. He told the jury he didn’t agree with the medical evidence that Preston died because his airway was deliberately obstructed. He also said he didn’t lie to his partner, John McGowan Fazakerley, about what happened on the day Preston died. He also said the couple hadn’t b
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Jamie Varley
In this episode Jamie Varley tells his story. As the defence case gets underway Jamie Varley entered the witness box to deny abusing or killing Preston Davey. He said he was the safest person in the world for Preston and being a teacher and a daddy was all he ever wanted. He also denied keeping pictures on his phone which were “trophies” of Preston being sexually abused. But he said he accepted lo
BONUS: The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: "You've killed him Jamie."
In this extra episode Caroline and Liz have the moment Jamie Varley is faced with the extent of the allegations against him - and his reaction to them. He tells detective they are wrong that he sexually abused and murdered his adopted 13-month-old son, Preston Davey, and he will fight the allegations until the day he dies.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us th
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Frozen Watchfulness”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from a doctor who said in some of the videos on Jamie Varley’s phone, Preston Davey was in life threatening situations. Dr Jo Gifford, an expert in child sex abuse, said Preston showed signs of being mistreated and abused, and there was footage of him before he died which showed several “near misses.” We also have the evidence from Preston’s
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: Was Preston bitten and abused?
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the medical evidence which the jury were told were consistent with Preston Davey being bitten and sexually assaulted before he died. A pathologist with 40 years experience said she found evidence that he could have been smothered or he may have died from having something forced into his mouth. She also said he suffered bruises which were not accidental. Presto
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “That’s Bullsh*t”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the moment Jamie Varley was accused of the murder and sexual abuse of the baby he adopted - and he told police he would fight them to prove his innocence. In video footage shown in court he said he didn't believe Preston Davey, who was just 13 months old when he died, had injuries all over his body, and he said accusations of sexual assault were bullshit. He a
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: “Was it you?”
In this episode we have the words of Jamie Varley as he denied abusing and murdering the baby boy he adopted. In a series of police interviews we’re bringing you today he says photos and videos the prosecution say are cruel or indecent were “totally innocent.” He also denied having any sexual interest in Preston and he said he did not kill him. But the jury also heard evidence that Preston had 45
Update Episode - The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: "It's my Fault"
In this update episode Caroline and Liz have the moment 13-month-old Preston Davey was brought into A&E in the minutes before he died. CCTV footage was shown in court of Jamie Varley and John McGowan Fazakerley running into the hospital in Blackpool carrying the baby and the jury was told Jamie Varley repeatedly said: "It's my fault." He told doctors he'd left Preston in the bath alone for a f
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: The Phone Footage
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the latest in the case of Preston Davey - a baby the prosecution say was abused and murdered after he was adopted by two men - Jamie Varley and John McGowan Fazakerly. Today we’ve got evidence of the videos and pictures from Jamie Varley’s mobile phone. In many of them Preston is naked and in some Jamie Varley appears to be naked too. The prosecution say the j
Driven to Death? - Domestic Abuse: "A National Emergency"
In this episode the scale of domestic violence is exposed as Caroline sits down with Louisa Rolfe, the Assistant Chief Constable of the Met Police. New figures released today show teenage girls are increasingly being abused by partners and the numbers of women who take their lives due to domestic abuse now far exceeds those who are killed by a violent partner. Jess Philips, the Minister for Safegu
Driven to Death? - The Broader Questions
n this episode Caroline, Nick and Liz have the latest on the trial of the men accused of abusing Preston Davey - and why it's been delayed. We've also got a chat about jury trials and why there are more voices calling for David Lammy not to scrap them, and after the acquittal of Chris Trybus this week for manslaughter, coercive control and rape, we've got an interview about the broader issues arou
Driven to Death? - Cleared
In this episode Caroline and Nick have all the details from court as Chris Trybus was dramatically cleared of killing his wife. The jury took over 40 hours to deliberate, but they decided he did not rape or coercively control Tarryn Baird and he was not responsible for her suicide.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +4477
The Tragic Life Of Preston Davey: A “Sinister Tragedy”
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the start of a brand new trial and a new series. The tragic death of a baby boy called Preston Davey is at the centre of this trial. Did the two men who adopted him abuse him? And did one of those men murder him? Jamie Varley and John McGowan-Fazakerley deny harming Preston and in this opening episode we have the details of what they’ve been accused of.Subscri
NEW TRIAL: The Tragic Life of Preston Davey
Caroline and Liz are back with a new trial and a new series of the podcast about the tragic life - and death - of a baby boy. Preston Davey died aged 13 months old, allegedly at the hands one of the men who adopted him. It's alleged Jamie Varley, a high school teacher, murdered Preston and that he and his partner, John McGowan-Fazakerley, abused him.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on
The Southport Dance School: They Were Failed
In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss the detailed findings from an inquiry into the horrific attack on a dance school in Southport in 2024. They dissect Sir Adrian Fulford’s 700 page report in which he outlines the failures which allowed Axel Rudakubana to murder 3 littie girls and attack many more. From the agencies who didn’t comprehend the danger he posed, the staff who failed to have profe
The Chief Constable vs the MP
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the unprecedented intervention of Cheshire Police Chief Constable Mark Roberts in the ongoing debate about Lucy Letby. In a letter he has accused the MP David Davis of misleading parliament and spreading misinformation about the force's investigation into Lucy Letby. It comes after Mr Davis spoke in the House of Commons two weeks ago claiming Cheshire Police a
EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I am not going to stop till we get justice”
This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; The Nottingham Inquiry - “I am not going to stop till we get justice”. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/In June 2023, a series of unthinkable attacks in Nottingham killed three people and left three others seriously injured.Students Grace O’Malley
Driven to Death? - Who to Believe
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the FINAL episode of the podcast before the jury start to consider their verdict. And it was a dramatic spectacle of two legal titans battling it out in court. The prosecution say Chris Trybus was a wife-beater who lied that he knew nothing about his wife’s injuries, and his violence was the “dark cloud” Tarryn referred to in her suicide note. While the defen
Driven to Death? - Back in the Box
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the surprising moment Chris Trybus was called back into the witness box. Plus we have a special update and an extraordinary interview on The Trial of Social Media which recently ended in LA.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@dailymail.comWhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Prese
Driven to Death? - “She was desperate for help.”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from a Psychiatrist who said Tarryn Baird was “desperate for help” but she felt rejected by mental health services. Dr Philip Joseph said Tarryn was so ill she should have been sectioned. We also hear from colleagues of Chris Trybus who confirm he was abroad with work when his wife said he attacked her.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us
Driven to Death? - “No Comment”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the dramatic and at times combative exchanges in court as Chris Trybus defended himself against charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He was taken to task by Tom Little KC who said his wife had accused him of being a wife beater and a rapist. And he was asked if he’d removed messages on his phone because they were incriminating. Chris Trybus sai
EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: Lucy Letby - The Letby Effect
This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; Lucy Letby -The Letby Effect. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/In this episode, Caroline and Liz speak with neonatologist Dr Sandie Bohin, an expert witness in the Lucy Letby trial. Since giving evidence, she has faced online harassment and a
Driven to Death? - Bully or Betrayed
In this episode Caroline and Nick have more of the evidence from Chris Trybus, the man on trial. During his third day in the witness box he said he never abused his wife, Tarryn Baird, and he now felt “betrayed” by her allegations. He also said again that he was out of the country on two of the occasions she said he’d beaten her. He also said he was baffled to find out that during a romantic holid
Meta and Google DID cause harm
In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the landmark verdict in Los Angeles that social media companies knew their platforms were addictive. The jury found that Meta and Google harmed a young user with design features that were addictive and led to her mental health distress. The judgement is being called big tech’s “tobacco moment” because it’s likely to open the doors for more claims.Sub
Driven to Death? - The Husband
In this episode Chris Trybus tells his story. Giving evidence in his own defence for the first time he denied ever hurting his wife. In fact he he loved Tarryn Baird dearly. He said they had a very ordinary marriage apart from their sex life which he admitted was kinky and spicy. He said dealing with Tarryn’s death was the hardest thing he’d ever faced and he said his happy memories of their
Driven to Death? - The Best Friend
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words of Tarryn’s best friend. Carina Silva told the jury in Winchester Tarryn became a “hollow shell” after suffering abuse at the hands of her husband. She said Tarryn started drinking herself to sleep after she claimed Chris Trybus raped her. But Carina Silva was accused of lying - of making up some of her evidence. And she was challenged on why, if sh
Driven to Death? - The Diary
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the words Tarryn Baird wrote in her diaries in the months before she died. We also have the evidence from a psychiatric nurse who said Tarryn told her she felt trapped in a prison. We also now know the emergency mental health service discharged her 8 days before she died by suicide.Subscribe via thecrimedesk.comFollow us on TikTok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us
EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: The Nottingham Inquiry - “I believe they were murdered"
In June 2023, a series of unthinkable attacks in Nottingham killed three people and left three others seriously injured.Students Barnaby Webber and Grace O’Malley-Kumar were fatally stabbed as they walked home from a night out. The attacker then went on to kill school caretaker Ian Coates and steal his van, which was later used to drive into pedestrians in the city centre.The man responsible, Vald
Driven to Death? - “Reliving a Nightmare”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the emotional evidence from Tarryn Baird’s mum who said she’d been living a nightmare ever since her daughter died. Michelle Baird said Tarryn had started to withdraw from her family in the months before she took her life and she blamed her frequent bruises on falling over. Michelle Baird also said Chris Trybus told her Tarryn “couldn’t stop” drinking and tak
Driven to Death? - The Bruises
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence from two senior medical experts who say the injuries on Tarryn Baird’s body were unlikely to be self inflicted. The UKs leading expert in bruises also said the marks on her abdomen were similar to injuries she’d seen in car crashes. And a forensic pathologist said the chances of Tarryn being able to inflict them on herself were “vanishingly
Driven to Death? - Tarryn's Final Hours
In this episode we hear the devastating final words of Tarryn Baird in the hours and minutes before she took her own life. In a series of recordings played to the jury she can be heard asking for help with suicidal thoughts, but by the time police arrived at her home it was too late. We also heard another tape which the prosecution say is a secret recording of Tarryn being raped by her husband, Ch
Driven to Death? - The “Disconnects”
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the evidence which the jury were told casts doubt on some of abuse Tarryn Baird says she was suffering at the hands of her husband. It’s been claimed in court that Chris Trybus was out of the country when some of the attacks took place, and that Tarryn bought a camera which she said he planted to spy on her. But we’ve also heard from her domestic violence adv
Driven to Death? - Do No Harm
In this episode Caroline and Nick have the medical evidence from Tarryn Baird’s GP who she saw or spoke to over 100 times in two years. The notes showed she reported repeated beatings, assaults with a rope and rape at the hands of her husband, Christopher Trybus. Time and time again she was urged to end the relationship, but she said she was terrified he would find her, and it was more dangerous t
Trial Update: Driven To Death? - The Defence Case - “false allegations”
In this special update episode Caroline and Nick have an insight into what Christopher Trybus will say in his defence in this trial. He claims his wife made up allegations of domestic violence and coercive control, and far from abusing Tarryn Baird he cherished her deeply. He will also say her death was not a deliberate suicide attempt, but a cry for help which went wrong. Subscribe via thecr
Driven To Death? - I Am Now Free
Was a woman driven to kill herself after being allegedly abused by her husband? That is the question at the centre of a landmark trial which Caroline and Nick will be covering in a new Trial UK series. In this episode we hear that Tarryn Baird was 34 when she was found hanged in her garage - the prosecution say she killed herself because she was desperate to escape the violent, controlling ab
EXCLUSIVE TRAILER: Lucy Letby - Debunking Her Expert Panel
In February last year Lucy Letby’s new defence team told a press conference there was no medical evidence of air embolism in the babies she murdered and attacked. Professor Shoo Lee said he had studied all the literature to make his claim.But today we hear his claim was wrong. And the literature to prove it was there all the time. In this episode, Neonatologist Professor Paul Clark explains w
The Trial of Social Media
In this episode Caroline and Liz get an insight from a lawyer with a ringside seat of the moment this week when Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg walked into a US courtroom to face the users of his platform who say using social media ruined their lives. They claim he knew the technology was addictive and it was part of his business model to make money at the expense of the mental health of a generation of
The Nursery Paedophile
Depraved, perverted and wicked - the words used to describe Vincent Chan as he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for abusing the children he was caring for. In this episode Caroline and Ryan have the details of how he used his job working in a nursery and in a school in London to prey on defenceless toddlers and children. He sexually assaulted them and he filmed it - storing the videos and image
Cold Case Killer - A Police Blunder To Beggar Belief
In this episode Caroline and Jack reveal the catalogue of police blunders which may have left the serial killer Steve Wright free to murder five women in Ipswich and raises questions about whether his latest victim, Vicky Hall, could have been saved too. A judge demanded today that Suffolk Police investigate what went wrong, after it emerged police ignored key evidence from another woman who repor
Cold Case Killer - How Many More?
In this episode Caroline and Jack have an exclusive interview with Criminologist Professor David Wilson. In 2008 he predicted that serial killer Steve Wright had murdered Vicky Hall years before. She was aged just 17 when she was kidnapped and murdered in 1999. It took Wright 18 years but yesterday at the Old Bailey he finally admitted it. Today we chat to David about why he was so sure Steve
Cold Case Killer - 20 Years On, A Sixth Victim Confirmed
In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the dramatic first day of the trial of serial killer Steve Wright, also known as the Suffolk Strangler, for a cold case murder in 1999. Wright was convicted of murdering five women in Ipswich in 2006 and today he pleaded guilty to the kidnap and murder of 17-year-old Victoria Wood and the attempted kidnap of another woman seven years earlier. It is the
Lucy Letby - More Legal Questions
In this episode Caroline and Liz interview senior barrister Tim Owen KC about the news that Lucy Letby will not be facing more charges. We also have an insight into the latest documentary on her case which will be on Netflix on Feb 4.Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.ukWhatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetha
Lucy Letby - Project Countess
In this episode Caroline and Liz sit down with Dr Susan Gilby in her first interview since she was awarded £1.4 million from the NHS. Dr Gilby was appointed CEO of the Countess of Chester Hospital just after Lucy Letby was arrested, but she was then forced to resign. And then she discovered a secret plot named Project Countess had been set up to get rid of her. It's an extraordinary interview abou
Lucy Letby - No More Charges
In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the news that Lucy Letby will not be charged with more offences. While detectives felt there was enough evidence to charge her with 11 offences - two of murder and nine of attempted murder, the CPS disagreed. So what does it mean?Follow us on Tiktok @DailyMailCrimeEmail us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.ukWhatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message wit
The Liverpool Parade - Rampage at the parade
In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the sentence of Paul Doyle and play for the first time some of the shocking dashcam footage that sealed his fate. They detail how he spent time in jail as a much younger man for a serious violent offence and how his reputation now lies in tatters.They also speak to a mother and her son, who were caught up in the carnage, and who helped rescue fans trapped
The Liverpool Parade - Two Minutes of Carnage
In this episode Caroline and Liz reveal the reason Paul Doyle changed his pleas to guilty - his own dashcam footage. The footage was played in court today and it captured the crucial 2 minutes when he rammed his car into 134 people. Some bounced off his bonnet while others were dragged under the wheels. Many of his victims were in court and they gasped as they saw the carnage he inflicted in just
The Liverpool Parade - Why did he do it?
Why did Paul Doyle lose control and smash his car into dozens of people as they celebrated Liverpool FC’s league cup win? In this episode, ahead of his sentencing hearing next week Caroline and Liz sit down with Criminologist and former Prison Governor Professor David Wilson who has a possible explanation.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbat
Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - "Not in My Name"
In this third special episode about Government plans to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz chat to a survivor of child sexual abuse. Vicki Crawford spent years believing she was culpable for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her sister's older boyfriend when she was just 14, and when she finally did seek justice decades later her experience was one of inefficiency, push back and
Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - The Verdict on Jury Reform
After David Lammy yesterday unveiled his proposals to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz have the verdict from one of the country’s top barristers. Chris Henley KC said the Justice Secretary’s plans showed “contempt for ordinary people.” He said the issues in the court system which cause unacceptable delays are “embarrassing” but the jury system was not one of the problems. He also sa
Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped?
Should juries be scrapped? In this special bonus episode Caroline and Liz investigate leaked plans from the justice secretary to abolish jury trials for the majority of cases. It would be a fundamental change to our justice system. And it’s not gone down well.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Clic
The Liverpool Parade - Road Rage
In this episode Caroline and Liz have the reason football fans were knocked down “like skittles” by a former marine. It was road rage. Paul Doyle was driving through the city as dozens of people celebrated Liverpool FCs League title, but he grew agitated that families wouldn’t get out of his way and he ploughed into them in his Ford Galaxy. Today as he dramatically changed his pleas to guilt
The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Why?”
Guilty of harassment but Not Guilty of stalking. That’s the jury’s verdict today on Julia Wandelt’s “relentless” pursuit of the parents of Madeleine McCann. It means she could soon be released from prison and likely deported back to Poland. In this episode Caroline and Claire have all the reactions from the court, including how the McCanns said they hoped she can now get the care and support she n
The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Crack Pots” and “Nutters”
Today Caroline and Claire have the moment the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was accused of being in a state of “almost inertia”. The barrister for Karen Spragg said Julia Wandelt was treated like a “nutter” by the police when she said she might be Madeleine McCann, and they should have taken her DNA sooner. The jury were also told that people who were concerned ab
The McCann 'Stalkers' - The end of the “charade”
In this episode Julia Wandelt accuses Gerry McCann of being involved in the abduction of his daughter Madeleine. She also says he has silenced his wife Kate and she claims officers from The Met may also have threatened her. She said she feels vulnerable since telling her story because people “don’t want the truth to come out.” But, in the final day of her giving evidence, she was accused of fabric
The McCann 'Stalkers' - The ‘Stalker’s’ Story
In this episode Caroline and Claire have the words of Julia Wandelt as she gave evidence for the first time in her defence. She told the jury she wouldn’t have pursued the McCanns if they’d just done a DNA test. It’s also now emerged she was being advised on her media strategy by a publicist in the UK and a Psychic in the US.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words
A hello and update from Caroline & Liz
It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!sign up to the newsletter at newsletter.thecrimedesk.com for free. Become a full member of The Crime Desk with a month’s free trial at www.thecrimedesk.comThe Trial series uses actors and some voices gene
The McCann Stalkers - “I’m not a nasty person”
In this episode we have the words of the two women on trial. Julia Wandelt told police she was the victim and Karen Spragg accused the McCanns of organising the abduction of their daughter Madeleine. She also said she wasn’t a nasty person.The Trial of the McCann Stalkers is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listening, full access to all our shows, early access to n
High School Stabbing - Harvey’s Killer Named and Jailed
The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk.
The McCann Stalkers - The Chats with Chat GPT
Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter.The Trial of the McCann Stalkers is part of
The McCann 'Stalkers' - The DNA Evidence
Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime
The McCann 'Stalkers' - “I’m not a Liar”
Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.The Trial of the McCann Stalkers is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listening, full access to all our shows, e
The McCann 'Stalkers' - The “relentless” stalking of Kate McCann
Join Caroline and Claire as they bring you the latest from the trial of the McCann “stalkers”. In this episode we’ve got the evidence of Kate and Gerry McCann who said the actions of the two women on trial were relentless and distressing. Gerry also said the family still have a glimmer of hope that Madelaine is still alive and Julia Wandelt could have put the investigation at risk. We also have th
The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Emotional Blackmail of the Highest Order”
In this episode Caroline and Claire have the moment the court in Leicester were told two women accused of stalking Madeleine McCann’s family accosted them at the family home. They also joked about riffling through their bins. The prosecution say Julia Wandelt used emotional blackmail to try to convince the family she was Madeleine.The Trial of the McCann Stalkers is part of the Crime Desk. Press h
The McCann 'Stalkers' - “She is not Madeleine”
In this episode Caroline and Claire have the opening day of trial of two women accused of stalking the family of Madeleine McCann. Julie Wandelt is accused of pursuing the family by email, call and text claiming to be their missing daughter who was abducted from Portugal in 2007. Karen Sprat is also accused of adopting her claims “with gusto”. Today as the case began Julia Wandelt broke down into
Lucy Letby: Conviction
In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence.The Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words
Lucy Letby’s Expert Witness
Dr Mike Hall was Lucy’s Letby’s key expert witness. But he was never called to give evidence at either of her trials. Caroline and Liz now ask him why. Search: The Trial of Lucy Letby: The InquiryThe Trial series uses actors and some voices generated by AI. Their words are taken as verbatim from the official court transcript.Click here to sign up to The Crime Desk's weekly newsletter. It's free a
High School Stabbing - The Intermediary
In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose.Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the
High School Stabbing - Guilty
In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the verdict from Sheffield Crown Court - guilty.The 15-year-old defendant was convicted following 14 hours 34 minutes of deliberation by a majority of 11 to one. The episode also features an exclusive interview with Harvey’s mother Caroline.The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-free listeni
High School Stabbing - Over to the Jury
The jury in the trial of the killer of Harvey Willgoose are now considering their verdict.They’ve heard all of the evidence and the decision on whether the 15 year old boy on trial is guilty of murder or manslaughter now rests with them. In this episode Caroline and Jack have the final instructions the judge gave them before she told them to start their deliberations.The Trial of the High School S
High School Stabbing - ‘There was a name’
In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing arguments from the defence and prosecution before the jury retire to consider their verdicts.Prosecutor Richard Thyne KC said the defendant did not suffer from a loss of self-control when he stabbed Harvey Willgoose, but displayed purposeful and controlled aggression as an act of retribution.Gul Nawaz Hussain KC, for the defence, said the ev
High School Stabbing - ‘You got worked up in rage’
In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the cross-examination of the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose.He is questioned about the witness accounts of teachers and pupils who saw him acting like he had a knife before the stabbing and the prosecution put its case to him - that he did not lose control when he killed Harvey, but got worked up into a rage.The Trial of the High School Stabb
High School Stabbing - Anatomy of a Stabbing
In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the moment the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose describes the fatal stabbing.He claims he only pulled out a knife because he was scared he would get stabbed himself and told a jury he now has no memory of the moment he dealt the deadly blow.The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-fre
High School Stabbing - ‘I’ve got a bad feeling about today’
In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the latest evidence of the boy accused of murdering 15-year-old old Harvey Willgoose, as he tells the court he bought the “scary-looking” knife used in the attack because he was worried about being jumped.He also claimed that Harvey had threatened to stab him on the morning of the killing and described how he had not wanted to back down in a recent socia
High School Stabbing - ‘I’m upset all the time’
In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the side of the story the teenage boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose told the jury during the trial.He described how he was the victim of bullying since as far back as primary school, which led him to develop anger issues he struggled to control.The Trial of the High School Stabbing is part of the Crime Desk. Press here to subscribe today for ad-f
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