At the Water's Edge
The At the Water's Edge Podcast explores national security and geopolitics from an insider's perspective. It examines how national power, industrial policy, diplomacy, and military might shape global affairs and America's role in the world. The show offers deep dives into the forces that influence international relations and strategic decision-making.
Episodes
Washington Is Watching. Iran Is Moving. | Robert Pape
Iran has moved from survival to ambition to hard power — and it's reshaping the balance of power in the Middle East while Washington stays on the sidelines.
University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape returns for his weekly real-time breakdown of the U.S.-Iran conflict. This week: a tentative Iran-Oman deal on Strait of Hormuz traffic, Iran's new list of demands to reopen it, two overlapping defe
"This Is Strategic Paralysis" | Robert Pape on the Power Vacuum in the Persian Gulf
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time — and the first episode where audience questions go directly to Pape on air.
We open with what's actually known about the pause in strikes and the low-level Iran-Oman talks over Hormuz transit fees, which Pape argues is not a sign of progress b
Former Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs: “The Colossus Is Awake”
America Can't Build Weapons Fast Enough | The Pentagon's Former Acting Chairman Explains Why
Admiral Chris Grady (Ret.) spent over 40 years in the Navy, commanded at every level from ship to fleet, and served as Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — including a stretch as Acting Chairman during one of the most chaotic weeks in recent Pentagon history. Now retired and serving as a Distingui
You Can’t Bomb Iran Into Surrender | Robert Pape
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time. Pape recorded this episode without power of his own — tornadoes had just knocked out electricity across the south side of Chicago — and turns his own blackout into a working case study for what it would actually mean for the U.S. to take down I
This Should Be Illegal. It's Not
Cities and towns across America are signing non-disclosure agreements with corporations — and in some cases, officials aren't even allowed to tell the public an NDA exists. Investigative journalist Miranda Spivack joins the show to explain how local government secrecy became a national security issue.
Miranda spent twenty years at The Washington Post covering state and local government. Her new b
The War Is Spiraling | Robert Pape on Iran and the Escalation Trap
The war with Iran has entered what Robert Pape, Professor at the University of Chicago, calls the "spiral phase" — a dynamic that's both vertical, with harsher strikes on both sides, and horizontal, with the Red Sea now pulled into the conflict via a Houthi blockade. This week brings the death of three more U.S. service members, bringing the total to 17, a bombing campaign now targeting Iranian ci
"Iran's Supreme Leader Just Called for Attacks on Americans Worldwide" | Robert Pape
The war with Iran is back on, and according to Robert Pape, Professor at the University of Chicago, we are now knocking on the door of the most dangerous stage of the conflict yet. This week, Pape walks through why Iran's Supreme Leader has issued a call for revenge attacks on Americans anywhere in the world, why that statement closely parallels the fatwa issued against Salman Rushdie three decade
Joe Kent: 'Israel Drove This Decision, Not Us'
Joe Kent spent 21 years in Army Special Forces and the CIA before becoming President Trump's Director of the National Counterterrorism Center — then walked away from it, resigning in protest over the war with Iran.
This week I sit down with him to talk about what he saw from inside the administration in the weeks before he quit, why he believes Israel drove the decision to strike, and what it act
Iran's Funeral Just Changed the War | Robert Pape's Warning to Washington
Just days after President Trump's Fourth of July weekend, Iran held a massive funeral for its slain leadership — and millions turned out. In this week's installment of our ongoing series on the war with Iran, Robert Pape, Professor at the University of Chicago and one of the leading scholars on coercion, airpower, and political violence, argues that the funeral marks a turning point that has nothi
Iran Is Not Deterred | Robert Pape on the Escalation Trap
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war involving the United States, Israel, and Iran in real time.
After new strikes in the Strait of Hormuz, U.S. bombing inside Iran, Iranian missile attacks on U.S. bases in Kuwait and Bahrain, and renewed talk of a ceasefire, Pape argues that the conflict is not ending.
The Future of PTSD Treatment Is Already Here. Why Can’t Veterans Access It?
In the final episode of our PTSD series, Scott speaks with Dr. Jessica Maples Keller of Emory University about the future of psychedelic-assisted therapy for PTSD.Emory has been studying MDMA and psilocybin in a clinical setting, with a focus on how these treatments might enhance evidence-based care like prolonged exposure therapy. Dr. Maples Keller explains how clinical trials are designed, why S
The Deal Is Signed. The War Isn’t Over. | Robert Pape on Iran
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time.
The U.S. and Iran have signed a memorandum of understanding. But according to Pape, that does not mean the war is over.
Instead, the battlefield may be shifting to the negotiations themselves.
Pape argues that while the U.S. and financial ma
Why Veterans Are Going Overseas for Psychedelics | PTSD Part 2
Why Veterans Are Going Overseas for Psychedelics
In part two of our PTSD series, Scott speaks with Jesse Gould, founder of the Heroic Hearts Project and a former Army Ranger from the 75th Ranger Regiment, about why some veterans are seeking psychedelic-assisted treatment outside the traditional U.S. medical system.
Jesse shares his own story of leaving the military, struggling with PTSD, anxiety
A Deal Doesn’t End This War | Robert Pape on Iran
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time.
Reports suggest the U.S. and Iran may be moving toward a deal. But Pape argues that a signing ceremony, memorandum, or public claim of victory does not necessarily mean the war is ending.
For frontline U.S. forces in CENTCOM and the Gulf, the
Surviving War Was Only the Beginning | PTSD Part 1
Surviving war is only the beginning for many veterans.
In Part 1 of this series on post-traumatic stress disorder, At the Water’s Edge examines what PTSD is, why it is so often misunderstood, why many veterans wait years before receiving care, and what effective treatment can look like.
This episode features three voices from Wounded Warrior Project: Dr. Erin Fletcher, Director of Warrior Care N
Iran Is No Longer Just Surviving | Robert Pape on the Escalation Trap
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time.
After 100 days of war, Pape argues that the conflict is no longer in its opening phase — but it is nowhere near over. Instead, the war has entered what he calls the middle of the escalation trap: a grinding phase where weeks of boredom can be
Trump Thought Iran Would Collapse. He Was Wrong. | Trita Parsi
President Trump thought Iran would collapse quickly. According to Dr. Trita Parsi, that assumption may be one of the central miscalculations that pulled the United States deeper into war.
In this episode of At the Water’s Edge, Scott Kelly speaks with Dr. Trita Parsi, co-founder and Executive Vice President of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, about the war with Iran, the limits of
Bombing and Talking at the Same Time | Robert Pape on Iran and the Escalation Trap
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time.
After two weeks of ceasefire claims, strikes, and renewed negotiations, Pape argues that the conflict is not moving toward real stability. Instead, the U.S. and Iran may be entering what he calls a new era of instability.
Even if a memorandum
Former NASA Chief: America Has Lost the Meaning of Power | Iran, Artemis II & U.S. Decline
Former NASA Administrator and Secretary of the Navy Sean O’Keefe returns to At the Water’s Edge for a conversation about American power, strategy, space, war, and national identity.
At a moment when the United States is confronting conflict with Iran while also advancing the Artemis program, O’Keefe explores a deeper question: what actually makes America powerful?
Drawing on decades of leadershi
The War That Ends American Dominance | Robert Pape on Iran
The war with Iran may be more than another crisis in the Middle East.
In this latest installment of The Escalation Trap, Robert Pape argues that the conflict is becoming a hinge event — almost the inverse of the 1991 Gulf War. Instead of demonstrating American military dominance, this war may be revealing the limits of U.S. power when tactical military strength no longer produces strategic outcom
The Danger Zone Is Here | Robert Pape on Iran, Nuclear Weapons, and the Escalation Trap
This is the latest episode in The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time.
Pape argues that the conflict has now entered the true danger zone. The negotiation track, he says, may be effectively dead for weeks or months — not because talks are impossible, but because the core issues at stake are zero-sum.
Unlike a re
Former NSC Official: The Iran War Exposed America’s Broken Strategy | Negah Angha
Former State Department senior advisor and National Security Council official Negah Angha joins At the Water’s Edge to discuss what the war with Iran reveals about American strategy, alliances, and decision-making.
Angha explains how major national security decisions are supposed to move through the U.S. government, why inconsistent objectives and poor consultation with allies can weaken American
The U.S. Is Losing Control | Robert Pape on Iran, China, and the Escalation Trap
This is Part 7 of The Escalation Trap, an ongoing series with Robert Pape of the University of Chicago tracking the war with Iran in real time.
This week, the Trump administration announced Project Freedom, an effort to reopen the Strait of Hormuz by escorting ships through the waterway. At the same time, Iran is working with Pakistan and Turkey to expand overland trade routes, Hezbollah has incr
Are We Already in World War III? Ukraine, Iran, and the New Global Conflict | Paul Poast
Are the wars in Ukraine and Iran separate conflicts—or part of something larger?
In this episode of At the Water’s Edge, Scott sits down with Paul Poast, Associate Professor at the University of Chicago, to unpack his argument that we may already be living in a new era of “world war.”
Rather than a 20th-century style global conflict, Poast explains how today’s wars can be defined by multiple int
“NATO Is Dead” — Robert Pape on Iran and the New Power Map
This is Part 6 of an ongoing series with Robert Pape (University of Chicago) tracking the Iran conflict in real time.
Over the past week, we saw renewed efforts to restart negotiations—including a Pakistan-backed diplomatic push—but no meaningful progress. Ceasefires continue to be announced and collapse just as quickly.
At the same time, something more significant may be taking shape beneath th
Special Forces Aren’t Ready for Drone Warfare | John Kowalski
Drones are already reshaping modern warfare—from Ukraine to the Red Sea to the Strait of Hormuz.
In this episode, Scott sits down with U.S. Army Special Forces Major John Kowalski to break down what that means for the future of conflict—and whether America is ready for it.
Drawing on real-world examples from Ukraine, Iranian-backed proxy forces, and conflicts around the globe, Kowalski argues th
This Isn’t a Negotiation | Robert Pape on the Iran War
This is Part 5 of an ongoing series with Robert Pape (University of Chicago) analyzing the Iran conflict in real time.
Over the past week, multiple ceasefires were announced—and just as quickly fell apart. At the same time, the U.S. and Iran have continued escalating pressure through a de facto blockade dynamic around the Strait of Hormuz.
But the most important takeaway from this conversation i
What Happens If Iran Loses Control of Its Terror Network? | Dr. Colin P. Clarke
What happens if Iran loses control of its global network of proxy groups?
In this episode of At the Water’s Edge, Scott sits down with Dr. Colin P. Clarke, Executive Director of the Soufan Center, to break down how terrorism is evolving—and why the next phase may be more dangerous than the last.
They explore Iran’s strategy of using proxy organizations like Hezbollah and the Houthis, and why dis
No Way Out of the Escalation Trap | Robert Pape on Iran
This is Part 4 of an ongoing series with Robert Pape (University of Chicago) tracking the Iran conflict in real time.
Over the past week, several developments point to a deeper shift in the trajectory of the war:
A ceasefire briefly emerged—then collapsed within 24 hours
The U.S. and Iran moved toward a full blockade dynamic in the Strait of Hormuz
Conflicting signals from the Trum
Why Iran’s Regime Isn’t About to Fall (And What Everyone Gets Wrong) | Arash Azizi
For years, many in Washington have assumed that pressure, protests, or targeted strikes could trigger regime change in Iran.
But what if those assumptions are fundamentally wrong?
In this episode, Scott sits down with Arash Azizi, a writer and historian focused on Iranian politics, to break down what’s actually happening inside Iran right now—beyond the headlines.
They discuss why the Iranian r
The Short War Illusion Is Over | Robert Pape on Iran Escalation
This is Part 3 of an ongoing series with Robert Pape (University of Chicago) analyzing the escalation dynamics of the Iran conflict in real time.
Over the past week, several developments have shifted the trajectory of the war:
U.S. ground forces entered Iran for the first time in a limited rescue operation
Continued strikes on energy infrastructure across the region
Increasing pres
AI for Warfighters: What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong | Tyler Saltsman
Most people think AI is ready for modern warfare.It’s not.In this episode, I sit down with Tyler Saltsman, Founder and CEO of EdgeRunner AI, to break down what artificial intelligence can actually do on the battlefield—and where it falls short.Tyler is building domain-specific AI models designed to operate directly on-device, enabling warfighters to make better decisions in real time without relyi
We’re Nearing Stage 3 — And It May Be Irreversible | Robert Pape
This is Part 2 of an ongoing series with Robert Pape (University of Chicago) breaking down the escalation dynamics of the current conflict with Iran. Follow him at his substack: https://escalationtrap.substack.com/
Over the past week, the situation has evolved rapidly:
Additional U.S. forces are deploying to the region
Energy infrastructure across the Gulf is under attack
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The Drone Threat Is Already Here
Episode Title:The Drone Threat Is Already Here
Episode Description:
Drones are no longer just a battlefield problem.
From Ukraine to the Middle East, unmanned systems are reshaping how wars are fought—cheap, scalable, and increasingly accessible to both states and non-state actors.
But the most important shift may not be happening overseas.
It’s happening at home.
In this episode, Scott sits
The Escalation Trap
The Escalation Trap: Robert Pape on Iran, Airpower, and Strategic Failure
Robert Pape will be giving a live briefing the status of the conflict and what stage 3 escalation looks like at 5pm EST 22 March 26 on his substack, Escalation Trap.
Robert Pape Robert Pape's Substack HERE (https://escalationtrap.substack.com/)
Description:
What if the biggest risk in war isn’t failure—but success?
In
Coups, Wagner, and Jihadists: The Battle for the Sahel
The Sahel region of West Africa has become one of the most unstable security environments in the world. A wave of military coups, expanding jihadist insurgencies, and the growing influence of Russia and the Wagner Group are reshaping the geopolitical landscape across Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, and the surrounding region.
But what is actually driving the crisis?
In this episode of At the Water’s
The Transparent Battlefield: Lessons From the War in Ukraine | Samuel Bendett
What is the war in Ukraine teaching the world about modern warfare?
In this episode of At the Water’s Edge, Scott Kelly speaks with Samuel Bendett of the Center for Naval Analyses, one of the leading analysts tracking Russian military adaptation and the role of drones and emerging technology on the battlefield.
They discuss how Western analysts misunderstood Russian capabilities before the 2022
Can Veterans Fix Congress? | with Richard Ojeda
Retired Major Richard Ojeda joins At the Water’s Edge to discuss his campaign for North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, why he believes veterans should play a larger role in American politics, and what he sees as the biggest failures of Washington today.
Ojeda spent 24 years in the U.S. Army, much of that time at Fort Bragg, before returning to his hometown in southern West Virginia, where
War Is the Easy Part. What Happens After Iran’s Regime?
The United States and Israel are now at war with Iran. Airstrikes, missile exchanges, and regional escalation have reshaped the strategic landscape in a matter of days.
But the larger question remains:
What happens next inside Iran?
In this follow-up conversation, Scott Kelly is joined again by Zolal Habibi, a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Council of Resistance of Iran
Air Dominance Was Our Advantage. It May Also Be Our Blind Spot with Ethan Brown
Ethan Brown returns to At the Water’s Edge to discuss the second volume of his JTAC trilogy, Visual Friendlies: Tally Target, which examines the evolution of close air support during the surge years in Iraq (2006–2008) and Afghanistan (2011–2013).
We explore how 20 years of uncontested air dominance reshaped American warfighting culture — from precision targeting in dense urban battle spaces to
Protests, Resistance Units, and the Future of the Iranian Regime
In this episode of At the Water’s Edge, Scott sits down with Zolal Habibi, an activist affiliated with the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), to examine the structure, strategy, and claims of Iran’s organized opposition movement.
The conversation explores recent protest activity, internet shutdowns, disputed casualty figures, and the role of so-called “resistance units” operating insi
America Can Fight for a Week with Jahara "Franky" Matisek (PhD)
Episode: Jahara “Franky” Matisek (USAF Lt Col) — Fixing America’s Broken Arsenal
Guest: Lt Col Jahara “Franky” Matisek, U.S. Air Force | PhD Political Science | prolific writer on strategy, security assistance, and the defense industrial base
What this episode is about
America’s military can execute at breathtaking speed—but sustaining a long war is a different game. In this conversation, Lt Col
Earned, Not Given: A PhD in the Human Condition with MG (ret) Matt Smith
Retired Major General Matt Smith joins Scott to unpack why veteran transition isn’t just a “feel-good” topic—it’s a long-term national security issue tied directly to readiness and recruiting. They discuss Emory University Goizueta Business School’s Master of Business for Veterans (MBV) Program, the importance of community during transition, and how veterans can translate military leadership into
The A-10 Isn’t Obsolete — Our Thinking About War Is
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In this episode of At the Water’s Edge, Scott Kelly is joined by former Air Force pilots, Tactical Air Control Party (TACP) veterans, and military scholars to take on one of the most contentious debates in U.S. defense policy: should the A-10 Warthog be retired?
Drawing on combat experience from Iraq and Afghanistan, Pentagon planning, and military history from World War I
Bringing Them Home with LTG (ret.) Walt Piatt, CEO Wounded Warrior Project
In this episode, Scott and LTG (ret.) Walt Piatt discuss the critical issue of supporting veterans as they transition from military to civilian life. They explore the role of the Wounded Warrior Project in providing essential services, the challenges veterans face in reintegration, and the importance of finding purpose after service. The conversation also delves into the complexities of navigating
The Wild World of Global Trade with Wendy Cutler
In this conversation, Wendy Cutler, a former U.S. trade negotiator, discusses the complexities of international trade, the role of government in negotiations, and the evolving landscape of U.S. trade policy. She emphasizes the importance of understanding cultural nuances in negotiations, the impact of political changes, and the need for a balanced approach to trade that considers both economic pro
Going Viral on TikTok and meeting the Jonas Brothers
In this conversation, Scott shares his unexpected journey from a viral resume incident to appearing on national television. He discusses the challenges and excitement of being contacted by major media outlets, preparing for his appearance on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, and the surreal experience of meeting the Jonas Brothers. Scott reflects on the importance of veteran transitions and the
Drones Are Evolving, Can We Protect Ourselves?
The conversation with Logan Harris, CEO of Spotter Global delves discusses how radar combined with other sensors are critical to detecting threats in real time and enable decision makers to counter the threat of drone. The risks of drone used by nefarious actors is matched by the risk of inadvertent civilian use and Logan shares his recommendations for policy makers to protect our critical infrast
Is America's Financial Flu Fatal? Guest Douglas Holtz-Eakin (PhD)
In this conversation, Douglas Holtz-Eakin discusses the pressing issues surrounding America's national debt and fiscal health. He explores the implications of government shutdowns, the role of deficits in economic growth, and the structural challenges posed by entitlement programs. Holtz-Eakin emphasizes the need for political leadership to address these issues and the importance of long-term thin
The Shanghai Cooperation Organization: A New Era
In this conversation, Henrietta Levin, a senior fellow at CSIS, discusses the evolving dynamics of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and its implications for global governance, US-China relations, and regional partnerships. She highlights China's ambitions to reshape the international order, the complexities of India-China relations, and the significance of recent developments within the
#28 AI and Government's Data Dilemma with Jake Dyal, CEO of Certus Core
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Scott and Jake Dyal, CEO of Certus Core, discuss the intersection of AI, data integration, and national security. They explore the challenges faced by government agencies in managing and utilizing data, particularly in the context of drone and sensor data. Jake shares insights from his experience transitioning from government service to the private sector, highlighting the bureaucr
#27 Foreign Policy Polling Insights with Alex Tarascio
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In this episode of 'At the Water's Edge,' host Scott interviews Alex Tarascio, a pollster from Cygnal, a private GOP polling firm known for its accuracy. They discuss the intricacies of polling, the differences between private and public polling, and the impact of partisanship on polling results. Alex shares insights on current voter sentiment, the role of corporate clients, and the
#26 Trump's National Security Strategy with Jahara Matisek (PhD)
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In this episode, Scott and Dr. Jahara 'FRANKY' Matisek discuss the current state of global conflicts, particularly focusing on the dynamics between Israel and Iran, and the tensions between Pakistan and India. They delve into Trump's national security strategy, exploring its foundations and implications, including a modern interpretation of the Monroe Doctrine. The conversation also
#25 Avoiding Nuclear War between Pakistan and India with Pakistani Senator Bushra Anjum
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In this episode, Senator Bushra Anjum Butt discusses the escalating tensions between Pakistan and India, particularly focusing on the implications of the Indus Water Treaty and the need for international mediation. She emphasizes Pakistan's mission of peace and the importance of diplomacy over war, while also addressing the role of the U.S. in influencing regional stability. The con
#24 The Evolution of Close Air Support from WWII to GWOT with Dr. Steve Call
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In this conversation, Dr. Steve Call discusses the evolution of air support in military operations, focusing on the role of Tactical Air Controllers (TACPs) and the historical context of air-ground integration. He highlights lessons learned from World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, emphasizing the importance of close air support (CAS) in modern warfare. Dr. Call also a
#23 Next Generation Strike UAVs with Ethan Thornton, CEO Mach Industries
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In this episode, Scott interviews Ethan Thornton, the 21-year-old CEO of Mach Industries, a defense technology startup focused on creating innovative unmanned systems. They discuss the transition from traditional defense strategies to a new era of great power competition, the challenges of government contracting, and the importance of decentralized manufacturing. Ethan shares insig
E22 Trump's Foreign Policy with Jamie Miller
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Insights from Jamie Miller shed light on how Trump’s foreign policies align with the sentiments of his voter base. This episode reveals the evolving perceptions of national security among Americans and explores the implications behind Trump's strategic decisions.• Unpacking Trump's "America First" philosophy • The shift in Republican foreign policy strategy • Voter perceptions on im
E21 How Space is Changing Everything with Dr. John Klein
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In this conversation, Dr. John Klein discusses the evolution of space warfare, the importance of maritime doctrine in understanding space strategy, and the complexities of military and civilian infrastructure in space. He emphasizes the need for the US Space Force to adapt to the changing landscape of space competition, the significance of spectrum control, and the intersection of s
E20 How Air Force TACPs Shaped the Global War on Terror with Ethan Brown
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In this conversation, Ethan Brown discusses the evolution of close air support (CAS) and the critical role of Joint Terminal Attack Controllers (JTACs) and Tactical Air Control Party (TACP) members during the Global War on Terror. He highlights the importance of air-ground integration, the lessons learned from past operations, and the future challenges faced by the TACP comm
E19 The Ukraine War with Tim Mak
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In this episode, Scott interviews Tim Mak, an American journalist living in Ukraine, about the ongoing conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Tim runs a publication called The Counter Offensive, which focuses on telling the stories of the Russian invasion in Ukraine through human interest stories. They discuss various topics including the state of the conflict, the role of the intern
E18 Afghanistan, Why We Failed with David Kilcullen (PhD)
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Guest David Kilcullen. The conversation explores the reasons behind America's failure in Afghanistan and the consequences of the Taliban retaking Kabul. It delves into the concept of counterinsurgency and its application in different contexts. The discussion highlights the mistakes made in Afghanistan, such as the failure to negotiate a peace settlement with the Taliban, the expansi
E17 The Army's Readiness Crisis with Michael Linick
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The conversation explores the concept of readiness in the military and the challenges of balancing people-first initiatives with the pursuit of readiness. It delves into the definition of readiness and its various components, such as individual and unit training, equipment functionality, and supply. The conversation also discusses the Army's training cycle and the role of CTC rotati
E16 The Problem with American Innovation and National Security with Leo Blanken (PhD)
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In this episode Scott interviews Leo Blanken (PhD), an associate professor of defense analysis at the Naval Postgraduate School, about innovation as a tool of national security. They discuss the need for innovation in the rapidly changing strategic and technological landscape, the challenges faced by the US military in adapting to these changes, and the importance of a comprehensive
E15 Winning Irregular Warfare in Space with John Klein (PhD)
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The conversation explores the competition and strategic implications of space exploration and activities between states. It discusses the role of the US Space Force, the reasons for the increasing focus on space as a domain of competition, and the activities of geopolitical rivals such as China and Russia. The conversation also delves into the concept of irregular warfare in space a
E14 How to Win Against China with Liza Tobin
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Liza Tobin, Senior Director of the Economy Team at the Special Competitive Studies Project, discusses China's systemic rivalry with the United States and the need for a strong American industrial policy. She explains why China is the main geopolitical rival and outlines its goals for global dominance. Tobin also highlights the challenges the US faces in competing with China's brute
E13 South Africa's Genocide Case Against Israel
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With death tolls rising on all sides, Israel's military operation in Gaza to rescue it's hostages and root out the Hamas terrorists that attacked it on October 7th continues to grind on. As imagines of Palestinian suffering reach audiences around the globe, South Africa has brought charges of genocide against Israel, claiming that the suffering of Palestinians isn't a tragic but ine
E12 Jahara Matisek (PhD) Does American assistance cause coups in Africa?
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Scott and Jahara 'FRANKY' Matisek discuss the misconceptions surrounding US military assistance and coups in Africa. They explore the goals of US security assistance in Africa and the challenges of promoting democracy through this assistance. They also delve into the need for a whole-of-government approach and the importance of staffing embassies and addressing economic development.
E11 Sean O'Keefe, fmr. Secretary of the Navy and NASA Administrator
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Sean O'Keefe's wide ranging career in government stretched from being the staff director for the Senate appropriations committee, chief financial officer for the Department of Defense, Secretary of the Navy, and leading NASA. He shares his views on globalization, America's role in the world, the difficulties in creating an effective industrial policy to support America's national se
E10 Ethan Brown and the Ghost of GWOT
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Ethan Brown is an Airforce Special Operations veteran who is currently a Senior Fellow at the Center for the Study of the Presidency and Congress. He wrote an article that deep dived the impact of 20 years of the Global War on Terror has had on how the American public sees the military and impacts recruiting. Link to article: https://mwi.westpoint.edu/the-ghost-of-gwot-haunting-the-
E9 General Kurt Sonntag and Special Operations in Great Power Competition
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Retired Army Special Forces two-star general Kurt Sonntag discusses the transition of special operations from counterterrorism to great power competition. He shares his experience leading the Combined Joint Task Force - Horn of Africa and highlights the challenges of coordinating efforts with partner nations and interagency organizations. MG Sonntag also discusses the activities of
E8: Matt Stoller, Why America is Out of Ammunition
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America is struggling to produce enough ammunition and other hardware to support our allies in a time of need, which has exposed deep cracks in our defense industrial base. Matt Stoller looked at how a series of consolidations among America's defense contractors has increased the costs while reducing the output of military equipment, and how there is no incentive among private indus
E7 Judge James Baker, Int'l Law and the Ukraine War
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In this conversation, Judge Baker discusses the sources of sovereignty and legitimacy in international law, the role of law in security beyond war crimes, and the challenges and importance of working with lawyers in the military. He also explores the two great legal challenges of our time: Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine and the rise of authoritarianism. Judge Baker expla
E6 Jon Pelson, author of Wireless Wars
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Check out Jon's book here: https://www.wireless-wars.com/The conversation explores the competition between the US and China in the development and implementation of 5G technology. It highlights the importance of 5G in various sectors and the risks associated with relying on Chinese companies like Huawei. The conversation delves into China's approach to business relationships, includ
E5 America's Support for Democracy Abroad
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This episode explores the arguments for and against supporting the current rules-based international order and promoting freedom and democracy as a consistent American foreign policy principle. It discusses the historical context of the post-World War II era, the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the questioning of America's role in the world. The episode examines the effectiveness
E4 Bob Curris and Army Psychological Operations
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Bob Curris served over 30 years in the military and led Psychological Operations teams around the world. He's concerned the Army is making cuts that will degrade America's ability to conduct information and influence operations as the need to compete in the information space is only increasing with the shift from the GWOT era to the era of Great Power Competition. Link to his origin
E3: Josh Paul, former Director at U.S. Department of State
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Discussion with Josh Paul on his decision to resign from the State Department over concerns with the Biden administration's Israel policy, the role of arms transfers in U.S. foreign policy, and the role America plays in the world. Contact: atthewatersedgewp@gmail.com
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E2: The rise of BRICS and threat of de-dollarization
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Will the BRICS nations end the reign of the U.S. Dollar as the world's dominant currency, threatening America's prosperity and security? On paper, they could, but things get real messy real quick after that. The devil is always in the details. Contact: atthewatersedgewp@gmail.com
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Episode 1: Israel and the Invasion of Gaza
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As Israel prepares to invade Gaza and destroy Hamas, what challenges will it face and where can it all go wrong? We discuss the military, political, and economic implications of the ground assault and what lessons Israel should take from America's own experience fighting terrorists hiding among civilians in cities. Contact: atthewatersedgewp@gmail.com
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