Two Scientists Walk Into a Bar
Scientists discuss some of the biggest challenges in human biology, from cancer vaccine research to the mechanisms of pain. Each episode invites listeners to learn about cutting-edge scientific work in a casual, accessible format. The podcast aims to make complex topics engaging for a general audience, featuring conversations with researchers about their latest projects and discoveries.
Episodes
S7E05: AI in Oncology
How can artificial intelligence help our scientists find the hidden patterns in cancer's complex biology? In this episode, host Danielle Mandikian is joined by Anwesha Dey, Distinguished Scientist and Executive Director of AI - Oncology and Cancer Biology, to talk about the new reality of the oncology lab. They explore how teaming up with artificial intelligence allows researchers to challenge lon
S7E04: Lab of the Future
Are we on the cusp of a new era in scientific research? This episode delves into the transformative potential of the "lab of the future." Host Danielle Mandikian and guests Margaret Porter Scott, VP, Biochemical Cellular Pharmacology, and Andy Lash, Head of Engineering, Lab Automation, discuss how AI and automation are set to tackle major bottlenecks in science, from fragmented systems to the phys
S7E03: The ABCs of IBD
Inflammatory bowel disease (IBD) is a debilitating, lifelong condition that changes how people plan their entire lives. In this episode, KT Park, Global Head of Gastroenterology and Hepatology, and Seppi Lin, Head of OMNI Early Clinical Development, explore the complex biology behind IBD. They discuss the role of genetics, the gut microbiome, and an individual’s environment, as well as the excitin
S7E02: Breakthroughs in MS
Breakthroughs in the last decade have transformed how we understand and treat multiple sclerosis (MS), but what will it take to stop the disease in its tracks? Pull up a stool with co-host Maria Wilson and our guest Sherman Jia, Group Medical Director, gRED Translational Medicine, for a discussion on the breakthrough research into B cells that has made a "night and day" difference for people livin
S7E01: The Wild World of Eyeballs
We’re kicking off season seven with an in-depth look at the wild world of ophthalmology, where scientists are pushing the boundaries of what’s possible for vision treatments. In this episode, co-host Danielle Mandikian is joined by guests Deepak Lamba, Director and Distinguished Scientist, Ophthalmology, and Susie Crowell, Senior Director, Project Team Leader, to explore the latest in the field of
Season Seven Teaser
Your favorite science podcast is back! To kick off season seven of Two Scientists Walk Into a Bar, hosts Maria Wilson and Danielle Mandikian sit down to celebrate a decade of the podcast and look back at our previous season on unmet medical needs. But what’s next? Get ready for a season that’s going bigger than ever before. To mark the 50th anniversary of Genentech, Maria and Danielle will draw a
S6E07: Foundation Models and Agents
In our season six finale, we dive deeper into how artificial intelligence (AI) is shaping the future of drug discovery and scientific research. With remarkable scale and speed, AI models parse through complex datasets and confirm or generate hypotheses, which can help scientists accelerate R&D. In this episode, co-host Danielle Mandikian welcomes Aviv Regev, Head of gRED, and Jure Leskovec, Profes
S6E06: Decoding Lung Disease
From our first breath, the air we breathe and our genes shape how our lungs function. It’s a complex interplay we began exploring in our season four episode “Take A Deep Breath: Treating Asthma.” Today, we’re branching out to discuss lung biology and the diseases that make it difficult to breathe. In this episode, co-host Maria Wilson speaks with Dorothy Cheung, Executive Group Medical Director, a
S6E05: Cells at Work
Cell therapy holds immense potential to transform the way we treat conditions in oncology, ophthalmology, autoimmune disorders, and a wide range of other therapeutic areas. But how do these engineered cells work, and how do scientists ensure they are safe and function as intended? In this episode, co-host Danielle Mandikian sits down with Todd McDevitt, Head of Cell Therapy, to discuss how cell th
S6E04: The Power of Digital Twins
Digital twins are virtual models of real-world systems that have been gaining momentum as a powerful tool in drug discovery and development. We touched on this concept last season when we covered computational advancements in drug discovery. Now, we’re taking a deeper dive into the power of digital twins. By leveraging genomics, physical health data, lab results, and other clinical datasets, digit
S6E03: New Frontiers in Cancer
Each season we discuss new, exciting breakthroughs in cancer research. With evolving technologies enhancing how we understand and target the underlying drivers of cancer, the journey to developing more effective and safer therapies is advancing rapidly. In this episode, co-host Danielle Mandikian speaks with first-time guest Jennifer Schutzman, Executive Group Medical Director, Early Clinical Deve
S6E02: AI and the Quest for New Antibiotics
We published our first episode on the threat of antibiotic resistance in 2016, and nearly a decade later, it remains one of the world’s most pressing health crises. Today, with advances in artificial intelligence (AI), the race to develop new antibiotics is evolving. In this episode, co-host Danielle Mandikian sits down with guests Tommaso Biancalani, Distinguished Scientist and Director of Biolog
S6E01: Digging Deeper into Obesity
As we kick off season six, we’re diving deeper into one of our most popular topics from last season – our evolving understanding of obesity. In this episode, co-host Maria Wilson unpacks the latest in obesity biology and management with Manu Chakravarthy, Senior Vice President and Global Head of Cardiovascular, Renal and Metabolism Product Development, who discusses the stigma associated with obes
Season Six Teaser
Join Danielle Mandikian and Maria Wilson as they kick off season six of Two Scientists Walk Into A Bar. Hear what they’ve been up to in the past few months and enjoy a sneak preview of the exciting topics ahead. This season, we’re focusing on unmet needs and will dive deeper into lung diseases, regenerative medicine, and cell therapies. We’ll also check in on the latest advances in obesity, antibi
S5E09: AI and The Future of Medicine
Machine learning and generative AI are transforming the ways we live and work, but how do these tools fit into the landscape of drug discovery? In our season 5 finale, co-host Danielle Mandikian is joined by Rich Bonneau, Vice President of Machine Learning, Drug Discovery, to break down the fast-paced, expansive – and sometimes perplexing – world of AI and biology. Together, they discuss the impor
S5E08: A Deep Dive into Drug Modalities
Small molecules, antibodies, gene therapies – there are so many types of medicines scientists can consider when developing a new treatment for a disease. In this episode, Karin Briner, Senior Vice President and Head of Drug Discovery, joins co-host Maria Wilson to break down different therapeutic modalities, or types of treatments. Together, they cover a wide range of modalities in our drug develo
S5E07: Organoids: From Dish to Discovery
Did you know that scientists can grow three-dimensional, miniature versions of human organs in a dish? These tiny in vitro models, known as organoids, are helping scientists to better understand human disease and to test new treatments. In this episode, co-host Danielle Mandikian sits down with Kim Homan, Senior Director and Distinguished Scientist, Complex in vitro Systems Lab, to discuss the fas
S5E06: Cancer Conversations: Early Detection and Potent Solutions
To defeat cancer, we need to understand it better. How does it grow? How do we detect it early? And most importantly, how do we treat it? In this episode, co-host Maria Wilson chats with oncology expert Louis Vermeulen, VP and Senior Fellow, Discovery Oncology, about what’s new and exciting in cancer research. Together, they explore the importance of early detection, explain concepts like the tumo
S5E05: The Streets and Deets of Obesity
What drives metabolic conditions like obesity? In this special episode, co-host and cardiovascular disease expert Maria Wilson, gRED Executive Director and Cardiovascular and Metabolism Research Head, takes the hot seat with fellow host Danielle Mandikian, gRED Senior Principal Scientist, to discuss the complex world of obesity. Tune in to hear about the biological and environmental factors contri
S5E04: Engineering Therapeutic Antibodies
Antibodies are proteins produced by our immune system that neutralize or help destroy abnormal cells and foreign agents, like bacteria and viruses. However, their utility extends beyond our bodies’ defense system. Antibodies can also be engineered in the lab to be used as therapies. Today, over 170 antibodies have been approved as medicines to treat a wide range of diseases including cancers, auto
S5E03: No Delivery, No Drug
Many health conditions require medicines that can be delivered to specific parts of the body. For instance, someone with asthma requires medication that targets the lungs, while someone with a neurodegenerative disease needs therapeutics that can penetrate the blood-brain barrier. But how do scientists create medicines that not only reach their intended targets but also produce the desired pharmac
S5E02: Seeing Clearly: The Past, Present and Future of Eye Treatment
Imagine the eyes as cameras, where the cornea acts as the lens and the retina as the film. As with a camera, if something goes wrong in the eye, it needs to be fixed to address the specific problem and restore function. While some visual impairments can be corrected with glasses or surgery, some conditions require medicines – like those that slow or stop blood vessel growth in the eye. In this epi
S5E01: Merging Minds and Machines: The Future of Drug Discovery
Computational approaches have revolutionized how we interpret data. With the advent of genomic sequencing, scientists can derive significant conclusions from sequence data. For example, through transcriptomics – the study of genes and their expression in different cells – researchers have made groundbreaking discoveries in fields like developmental and disease biology. More recently, computational
Season Five Teaser
Join Danielle Mandikian and Maria Wilson as they kick off season five of Two Scientists Walk Into a Bar. Hear about their recent lab adventures and enjoy a sneak preview of exciting topics for our new season. From demystifying the impact of AI and machine learning in drug development to exploring diverse modalities for treating diseases, we've got an exciting lineup in store. Subscribe today so yo
S4E08: Learning from Vaccines: Training our Immune System to Fight Cancer
When we consider how a vaccine works, we typically think about vaccines that prevent infectious disease like flu or measles. But another type, known as therapeutic vaccines, may be able to treat diseases even after they’ve taken hold in the body – including cancer and viral infections. Similar to preventative vaccines, these therapeutic cancer vaccines work by promoting an immune response. Cancer
S4E07: Representation Matters: Inclusivity in Clinical Trials
Because disease outcomes and responses to treatment can vary across populations, clinical research must include patients who are racially, ethnically and gender representative of those who experience health conditions. Scientists are pioneering new ways of achieving inclusive and diverse clinical trials to generate clear results and reveal insights when evaluating new medicines. Co-host Maria Wils
S4E06: It's Personal: Inclusive Research and Precision Medicine
Achieving the first complete sequence of a human genome via the Human Genome Project represents an incredible feat – but it’s just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to unlocking the power of genomics for drug discovery and development. As the scientific community builds on our understanding of genomics, one of the most critical questions becomes, how can we thoughtfully collect and use genetic
S4E05: Antibiotic Resistance: A Call to Arms
Bacteria – and their constant ability to rapidly evolve and adapt – represent a scientific challenge that’s equal parts fascinating and disconcerting. The incredible innovations of the past century have not only prevented and treated infections that would otherwise be lethal, but also helped safeguard patients through critical surgeries and other treatments. However, challenges abound for the scie
S4E04: The Where and When of Alzheimer’s Disease
Understanding what happens in the brain is notoriously difficult, but scientists have made progress in the past few decades. For Alzheimer’s disease, scientists have expanded their knowledge of where and when certain proteins, cells and biologic processes can contribute to memory loss and the progression of the disease. Co-host Maria Wilson speaks to Jasi Atwal, Senior Scientist, Neuroscience, and
S4E03: Take A Deep Breath: Treating Asthma
Taking a deep breath can seem like a simple process; however, for millions of people with asthma, inflammation of the airways could make it difficult to breathe. While current treatments help manage symptoms, scientists are working to develop new therapies that target the underlying causes of the condition. Co-host Maria Wilson speaks to Jane Kenny, Senior Director and Senior Principal Scientist,
S4E02: Demystifying MS: The Intersection Of Immunology And Neuroscience
Our understanding of what causes multiple sclerosis (MS) has transformed over the last few decades. While discoveries of the cell types involved in MS progression — both immune and brain — have led to major advancements for patients, there is still much to learn. Co-host Danielle Mandikian speaks to Ann Herman, Senior Director and Senior Principal Scientist, OMNI-BD Inflammation and Infectious Dis
Meet The Hosts of Season Four
Two Scientists Walk Into A Bar is back for a fourth season with new hosts, Maria Wilson and Danielle Mandikian! Get to know the new hosts and preview this season. Subscribe today so you don’t miss an episode!
Read the full text transcript at https://www.gene.com/stories/meet-the-hosts-of-season-four?topic=two-scientists-walk-into-a-bar
S4E0: Studying the Symphony of Cells
Cells are the basic unit of life, with a remarkable ability to sense their environment, process information and adapt accordingly. With 37.2 trillion cells in the human body, there remains plenty for scientists to discover about how this symphony of cells is organized and works together. In this special episode, producer Wellington Bowler chats with Aviv Regev, Executive Vice President, Genentech
S3E06: From Fly Genetics to Human Aging: Insights into Regenerative Medicine
The biological mysteries of age-related diseases have intrigued scientists for decades. In recent years, our expansive knowledge of genetics, thanks to the humble fruit fly, has opened our eyes to the mechanisms underlying these conditions. Now scientists are hoping to apply this knowledge to use the body’s own biological systems to delay the onset of disease or engage repair mechanisms once a dis
S3E05: Beyond Biomarkers: Calling All Data Scientists
In Season 1, we talked about using biomarkers and big data to match patients with the best treatment for their disease. In this episode, Jane sits down with David Shames, Senior Director of Cancer Immunotherapy Biomarkers and Staff Scientist in Oncology Biomarker Development, and Mark Lee, Senior Vice President and Global Head of Personalized Healthcare in Product Development, to discuss how a var
S3E04: A Look Into the Eye
Our eyes are our windows to the world, but what happens when those windows start to fade or disappear? To understand how the eye works, scientists are combining developments in imaging and genetics to see into the eye and better understand why a disease occurs or whether a treatment is working. Hear from our host Jane Grogan and Menno van Lookeren Campagne, Principal Scientist, Immunology, and get
S3E03: Cancer: When Cells Go Rogue
It’s easy to think of cancer as an invader to the body. But in reality, it’s simply the result of a few proofreading errors in DNA replication that occur over time when cells divide. In Episode 3, Jane Grogan chats with Fred de Sauvage, Vice President and Staff Scientist, Molecular Oncology, about how just a handful of mutations can make normal cells go rogue, and how the field is finding new ways
S3E02: Fire in the Gut: IBD Explained
Last episode, Jane and colleagues unraveled the intricacies of the human microbiome. This week, Jane chats with Mary Keir, Senior Scientist, Biomarker Discovery OMNI, to learn what happens during inflammatory bowel disease (IBD), what causes it, and how targeting dysfunction in our immune system, the gut epithelial barrier and our microbiome could reduce inflammation in the gut.
S3E01: Unraveling the Microbiome
Our bodies are full of bacteria - pounds of them actually. We’re kicking off Season 3 with a closer look at the human microbiome and what happens when the synergistic relationship between our cells and our bacteria goes awry. Jane Grogan talks about the latest discoveries in microbiome research with Allyson Byrd, Associate Scientist, Cancer Immunology, Bioinformatics.
Season Three Teaser
Two Scientists Walk Into a Bar is back for a third season with host Jane Grogan chatting with scientists who are leading the charge to understand complex diseases. This season will tackle a range of new topics, including a deep dive into the human microbiome, the latest in multiple sclerosis, asthma and aging, and how Big Data is redefining personalized healthcare. Subscribe today so you don’t mis
S2E08: Why You Should Study Immunology
So far this season we’ve talked about the immune system a lot – how immune cells communicate, traffic along connective tissue, and invasive tumors. But what actually is the immune system? What’s it made of? How does it work? To close out our second season, Jane speaks with Andy Chan, Senior Vice President of Research Biology, to unravel the mysteries behind the immune system.
S2E07: The Therapeutic Window
Pharmacology is the study of how a medicine works in the body, which is a critical step in understanding what medicines people should be given, and at what dose and schedule. As we learn more about the complex genomics that make each person unique, the role of pharmacologists is becoming increasingly important for personalizing safe and effective treatments. Jane speaks to Sara Kenkare-Mitra, Seni
S2E06: The Polarizing World of Neurons
Neurons, the cells that make up our brain, are some of the most unique cells in our bodies. The complex nature of how they communicate leads to everything we say, think, or do. That complexity makes it hard to correct neural communication when something goes wrong, as in neurodegenerative diseases. What can we do to fix that? Jane talks to Casper Hoogenraad, Senior Director and Staff Scientist in
S2E05: Why Cells Die
The lifecycle of a cell mirrors our own lives – cells live and die as we do. It would be easy to think of cell death, or apoptosis, as a negative action, but the death of a cell is actually critical to many of the important biological functions that keep our bodies running. Learn more about the mysteries behind cell death from Vishva Dixit, M.D., Vice President, Physiological Chemistry.
S2E04: Viruses, Bacteria and How to Beat Them
Despite the best efforts of the human immune system, viruses and bacteria are constantly evolving to find new ways to breach our bodies’ natural defenses. Over the years, scientists have stepped in to develop novel ways to help the immune system in fighting infectious diseases. It’s a complicated field, which is why in this episode Jane is bringing in two scientists – Man Wah Tan, Senior Director
S2E03: What’s in a Pill?
Chemistry is all around us – from the air we breathe, to the food we eat, to the medicine we take when we’re sick. And for the researchers working to figure out how to make those medicines, chemistry can be an art as well as a science. Learn more as Jane talks to Wendy Young, Vice President, Discovery Chemistry.
S2E02: Proteins: Seeing is Believing
The world of proteins is a minuscule and elegant ballet. Recent advances in imaging techniques have given us unprecedented views into this microscopic world, which could help us design better targeted therapies for a wide range of diseases. Learn more from Sarah Hymowitz, Vice President, Protein Sciences at Genentech, about why she has fallen in love with all things protein.
S2E01: Connective Tissue: The Hidden Metropolis
If your body was a city, then connective tissue would be the infrastructure tying everything together. It’s a hidden universe that helps many types of cells talk to each other and helps us fight diseases like rheumatoid arthritis or cancer. That’s why Shannon Turley has dedicated her research to uncovering the complexities of connective tissue, from her days as a graduate student shuttling ice box
Season Two Teaser
Jane Grogan and her producer Wellington Bowler are back for a second season of Two Scientists Walk Into a Bar. After a summer hiatus, Jane is eager to take on a new season of topics, including the 101 on proteins, infectious disease, how tumor microenvironments work and cell death. Subscribe today so you don’t miss an episode!
S1E08: Designing Early Stage Clinical Trials
Designing a clinical trial is fascinatingly complex. There are dozens of variables that could influence the ability of any given trial to be successful. Navigating this complexity is truly a science unto itself. In our latest episode, Merdad Parsey, Senior Vice President of Early Clinical Development, explains how the science of clinical trial design has evolved, and where it’s headed.
S1E07: Biomarkers and Big Data
Each person’s cancer is unique, so trying to match the right treatment to the right person is one of cancer biology’s biggest remaining challenges. In our latest episode, Priti Hegde, Director of Oncology Biomarker Development at Genentech, talks about how big data and advanced technology are guiding the future of personalized cancer immunotherapies.
S1E06: Continuing the Fight Against Breast Cancer
Some types of breast cancer can become “addicted” to estrogen signaling, so treatments that target the estrogen receptor were once thought to be a magic bullet against this disease. But breast cancer is sneaky, and some mutations can allow it to sidestep these types of targeted therapies. In our latest episode, Lori Friedman, Senior Director of Translational Oncology at Genentech, talks about the
S1E05: The Search for Super Antibiotics
Bacteria are remarkably fast shape-shifters. As soon as we develop new antibiotics against them, they mutate, leading to drug-resistant strains the world has never seen before. This could mean that one day we end up weaponless against an army of drug-resistant superbugs. But a new generation of “super antibiotics” could hold the key to overcoming this problem. Learn how as we sit down with Rick Br
S1E04: The Degenerating Brain
In 1848 an explosion launched an iron rod through Phineas Gage’s brain. He miraculously survived, but wasn’t the same person, giving scientists the first clues into how neurodegeneration can affect what it means to be human. In our latest episode, we sit down with Geoff Kerchner to learn about the latest ways scientists are trying to halt the neurodegeneration seen in diseases like Alzheimer’s, Pa
S1E03: How Your Cells Talk to Each Other (Hint: Not by Cell Phones)
Communication is the key to good relationships. That’s true not only for people, but for our cells as well. If cellular communication goes wrong, your brain may stop processing information, or your organs might form tumors. So how do cells talk to each other? This week Jane Grogan sits down with Shiva Malek, whose work focuses on “eavesdropping” on the chatter between cells to understand what they
S1E02: Ouch! Our Bodies and Pain
Pain is actually good for us. Until it’s not. Discovering how to fight chronic pain, while leaving acute pain intact, is no easy venture. Join Morgan Sheng as he takes us on a tour of the different pain systems in our body, and how a family of Pakistani street performers helped scientists identify a novel target for treatment.
S1E01: Cancer and Your Immune System
A revolution in cancer care is happening right now. In our debut episode, Jane Grogan sits down with Ira Mellman, one of the world’s foremost experts in the field of cancer immunotherapy, about the “a-ha” moments that could mean the next breakthrough, from checkpoint inhibitors to cancer vaccines. Plus Ira waxes poetic about transitioning from a life of music to a life of science.
Podcast Introduction
The only thing Jane Grogan loves more than doing science is talking about it. In addition to being an accomplished scientist leading research on inflammation, autoimmunity and tumor immunobiology, Jane has a background in radio. So when we decided to record our first podcast series — Two Scientists Walk Into A Bar — she was the natural choice to host. Subscribe today to learn what our top scientis
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