The TreppWire Podcast: A Commercial Real Estate Show
Leveraging Trepp’s market expertise and proprietary data sets, The TreppWire Podcast helps listeners stay up-to-date on commercial real estate, structured finance, and banking. Each weekly episode features Trepp subject matter experts and industry guests discussing how recent events affect both the markets and the daily lives of market participants. The show aims to make complex real estate and finance topics accessible to professionals and anyone interested in the field.
Episodes
427. Inflation Revisions, Refinancing Decisions: $78B in Hard Maturities, Negative Leverage, & a $508M Retail Bet
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine what higher financing costs mean for borrowers and investors. We break down the latest jobs and manufacturing data, pressure on Treasury yields, and what lenders are saying about leverage, underwriting, and borrowers bringing more equity to the table. We widen our look at CMBS hard maturities to the next five quarters, with roughly $7
426. CRE Lending Through Cycles: Stressed Sponsors, Industrial Conviction, & Today’s Debt Market with Stefanie Stewart, Voya Investment Management
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Stefanie Stewart, Senior Vice President and Head of Real Estate Investments at Voya Investment Management. Drawing on nearly two decades of CRE lending experience, Stefanie discusses how lessons from the GFC continue to shape lending decisions and how Voya’s platform has evolved to meet today’s market. She shares the firm’s a
425. The Payoff Problem: Rising Yields, $4.7B in Hard Maturities, & AI’s $4.2T Revenue Gap
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we explore the latest economic data and what rising Treasury yields could mean for commercial real estate as the Fed weighs its next move. We dig into Bain's estimate of a $4.2 trillion AI revenue gap and what it could mean for the data center boom, revisit New York City's pied-à-terre tax, and examine how rising construction costs are p
424. The Numbers Need Context: 5%+ Treasury Yields, AI Roadblocks, and Hotel Distress
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the 10-year Treasury moving above 5%, rising oil and diesel prices, persistent inflation, and the latest Fed commentary. We also dig into growing resistance around the AI buildout, from wider spreads on AI-related debt to Texas pausing state-issued data center permits. In Digging Through the Data, we compare Marriott- and Hilton-flagge
423. The Office-to-Resi Conversion Boom is Just Getting Started with Joey Chilelli, Vanbarton Group
In this special guest episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Joey Chilelli, partner at Vanbarton Group and one of New York City's most active office-to-residential conversion developers. Joey makes the case that the split between Class A space and everything else is structural rather than cyclical, walks through how Vanbarton has underwritten conversions since 2011, and explains wh
422. From the Fed to FedEx: Warsh’s First Rate Hike, $6.6B in Amazon/FedEx Exposure, and Three Paths for Office
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the Fed's unanimous 25-basis-point hike, its first increase in three years, and what a 10-year Treasury above 5% means for CRE when oil, not demand, is driving inflation. We cover a robust retail sales report, businesses struggling to set prices, and new termination risk in GSA leases from anti-DEI provisions. We dig into new Trepp res
421. Beyond the Headlines: Office Distress, a $30.6B Multifamily Maturity Test, & Western CRE’s Mixed Signals | LIVE at California MBA's WSCREF
In a special live edition of The TreppWire Podcast recorded at the California MBA Western States CREF conference, we dig into why today’s CRE market can seem so contradictory and what the data says when you look beyond the national headlines. We break down the three clocks driving CRE today: property performance, capital markets, and credit. We examine the uneven Western office recovery, life scie
420. The Art of Storytelling in Commercial Real Estate with Spencer Levy, Host of CBRE’s The Weekly Take
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Spencer Levy, Global Client Strategist and Senior Economic Advisor at CBRE and host of CBRE's podcast, The Weekly Take. Spencer shares how his diverse career spanning law, investment banking, and capital markets shapes his perspective on the commercial real estate industry and the trends influencing today's market.Thr
419. Back to School, Back to Price Discovery: The 5% Treasury Test, College Football’s $6.1B Student Housing Connection
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the latest moves in rates and capital markets as the 10-year Treasury approaches 5%. We discuss what higher long-term yields mean for CRE and why capital continues to move despite the higher-rate environment. In Digging Through the Data, we kick off college football season with a surprising look at $6.1 billion of securitized stude
418. How CRE Lending is Changing: Bigger Deals, Data Center Capital, & AI with Catherine Sierakowski, BMO Capital Markets
In this special guest episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we sit down with Catherine Sierakowski, Managing Director & Group Head of Corporate Banking, North American Real Estate at BMO Capital Markets. Catherine reflects on her nearly 20-year career at BMO, from starting in banking during the Global Financial Crisis to helping build the firm's institutional real estate platform and now leadi
417. Who Writes the Next Check? Fund Redemptions, Cash-Out Refinancing Trends, & CRE Workouts
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the latest PCE inflation data and what the fine print could mean for rates, plus new Canadian tariffs and another potential hit to construction costs. We also cover Dick’s Sporting Goods’ record stock drop and continued struggles at Foot Locker, Google’s unusual $10 million purchase of Spirit Airlines’ internal corporate data, and the
416. The Bond Market Bites Back: Treasury Intervention, AI’s $3 Trillion Bet, Office Loans Below Breakeven, & Forced CRE Sales
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack a volatile week in the bond market as the 30-year Treasury yield climbed above 5.3%, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent stepped in with expanded long-term buybacks, and much of the initial market reaction quickly reversed. We discuss what the move says about the battle over long-term rates, growing capital demands, and whether the Fed
415. The Retail Story Everyone Gets Wrong with Jim Dillavou, Paragon Commercial Group
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Jim Dillavou, co-founder and principal at Paragon Commercial Group, a retail investment and development firm. Jim left a career as a real estate and finance attorney to launch Paragon after the global financial crisis, betting on necessity retail when almost no one else wanted the asset class. He explains why treating retail
414. The AI Capital Boom, Stubborn Treasury Yields, Office Bets, & Insurance Relief
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the latest inflation and jobs data, what it could mean for the Fed, and why long-term Treasury yields and CRE borrowing costs may remain elevated. We also dig into the extraordinary scale of the AI capital boom, from surging hyperscaler bond issuance to Nvidia’s $500 billion financing initiative, new compute futures, and growing questi
413. Inside Nomura's Return to CRE Finance with CMBS Industry Icon Larry Kravetz
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Larry Kravetz, Head of U.S. Commercial Real Estate (CRE) and Commercial Mortgage-Backed Securities (CMBS) at Nomura, to discuss the firm’s return to CRE finance and the expansion of a full-service CRE platform.With more than 30 years of experience in the industry, including helping launch Lehman Brothers' large-loan CMBS
412. Refinancing, Right-Sizing, & Repositioning: $5.49B in CMBS Hard Maturities, Camden Heads South, & Apollo's Austin Bet
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down mixed economic signals as stronger manufacturing activity contrasts with softer labor market data. At the same time, higher interest rates continue to pressure housing and commercial real estate. We also dig into what CMBS hard maturities reveal about refinancing risk, why current loan performance can mask looming maturity challenges,
411. Play the Ball? Bonds Threw a Curve: New York CRE Shakeups & What Super Regional Bank Earnings Mean for CRE
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack a week of mixed market signals as the Fed held rates steady, but the bond market told a different story. We discuss what the market's reaction says about inflation, interest rates, and the outlook for CRE financing. We also cover a series of major New York City real estate stories, including new stop-work orders at office-to-reside
410. The Plot Thickens: Inflation Rerun, AMC’s Comeback, Data Center Spreads and Corporate Real Estate Shifts
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack the return of geopolitical and trade risks to the forefront of market discussions. We break down AMC’s latest earnings and what they reveal about the health of theater credit, and examine how companies, including Verizon, Pep Boys, and Cracker Barrel, are rethinking their real estate strategies amid changing business priorities and market
409. The Next Phase of CRE Capital Markets with Marty Allen of Grandbridge Real Estate Capital
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re joined by Marty Allen, Head of Capital Markets at Grandbridge Real Estate Capital, a Truist company, which recently launched a master and special servicing platform. Why now? Marty breaks down how today's commercial real estate market created the opportunity, how the shift from middle-market to institutional borrowers reshaped the b
408. Beneath the Headlines: AI Spending, Inflation, Bank Earnings, & Austin Multifamily
Inflation cooled, bank earnings surged, and AI spending accelerated, but are the headline numbers masking what's really happening beneath the surface?In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we discuss why softer inflation may be a head fake, what record bank earnings reveal (and what they don't), how AI infrastructure investment is creating new economic bottlenecks, and why Au
407. Retail Isn't Dead, It's Evolving: From Outlet Centers to Lifestyle Destinations with Tanger’s Justin Stein
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re joined by Justin Stein, Executive Vice President, Chief Revenue Officer at Tanger, a leading owner and operator of open-air outlet and lifestyle shopping centers across the United States. Justin discusses Tanger's evolution from an outlet retail leader to an operator of open-air lifestyle destinations, sharing how food and beverage,
406. Challenging CRE Narratives: Mid-Year Reality Check, Office Conversion Risks & Multifamily Mixed Signals
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we take a mid-year pulse check on the commercial real estate market and revisit some of Trepp's biggest predictions for 2026. We explore why CMBS issuance continues to exceed expectations, what persistently stable delinquency rates tell us about today's credit environment, and whether the market is finally shifting from an "extend a
405. 250 Years of Commercial Real Estate, NYC Rent Freeze, Kroger's Next Move, & More
In this week’s episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we mark 250 years of American commercial real estate with a special Fourth of July deep dive into the original 13 colonies and how their markets evolved. We also spotlight three historic properties still carrying active CMBS debt today. Before the history, we cover a softening macro backdrop, the New York City Rent Guidelines Board's freeze on r
404. Special Servicing in 2026: Office Workouts, Extensions, & CRE Stress with David Harrison of Midland Loan Services
In this special guest episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by David Harrison, Chief Operating Officer and Head of Special Servicing at Midland Loan Services, for a discussion on commercial real estate servicing and market dynamics. David shares his non-traditional path from political science into commercial real estate finance and outlines what servicing entails, noting its focus on man
403. Selective Capital, Greenspan's Legacy, Morgan Stanley's Dallas Bet, & 2021 Multifamily Lessons
In this week’s episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we examine what is becoming one of the defining themes of today's commercial real estate market: capital is still available, but it is moving far more selectively. We break down the Federal Reserve’s increasingly hawkish stance under new chair Kevin Warsh, following the latest inflation data, and reflect on the legacy of former Fed Chair Alan Gr
402. The New Reality: Warsh's Fed, CRE Disruption, Apollo's Exit, & Credit Risk Transfer 101
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we discuss Kevin Warsh's first FOMC meeting as Fed Chair and what the potential end of forward guidance means for CRE investors. We also examine Apollo's decision to wind down ARI, revisit key themes from our conversation with Scott Rechler on the "Age of Disruption" and why today's environment increasingly favors operators
401. Scott Rechler, Chairman & CEO of RXR: CRE Investing In the "Age of Disruption" | Live at Trepp Connect (in NYC)
In a special episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re bringing you a keynote conversation recorded live at Trepp Connect (in NYC). RXR Chairman & CEO Scott Rechler joined Trepp CEO Annemarie DiCola on stage to discuss what he calls the "Age of Disruption" – a period defined by rapid technological change, shifting capital markets, evolving workplace trends, and new opportunities emergi
400. Liquidity is Back, (Sales) Price Discovery Isn't | CREFC Takeaways & Episode 400
This week marks a major milestone as we celebrate Episode 400 of The TreppWire Podcast. In this episode, we tackle one of the biggest questions facing commercial real estate today: are valuations beginning to stabilize, or is the market still searching for true price discovery? We break down May CPI data, recap key takeaways from the June CREFC conference, and discuss what healthy liquidity, stron
399. The Apex of CapEx? AI Sticker Shock, Data Center Delays, REIT 101, & Sports-Driven CRE
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down macro data pointing to a resilient economy, with Institute for Supply Management (ISM) PMIs at multi-year highs, but employment components still in contraction and the Fed firmly on hold. We dig into corporate AI sticker shock, including one company's reported $500 million monthly bill, and discuss whether data center build-out del
398. CRE’s New Math: Multifamily Cap Rates, Office Recovery Bets, & Capital Costs
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we discuss elevated rates, inflation concerns, and surprisingly resilient equity markets as capital costs continue to shape commercial real estate. We cover JPMorgan’s plan to liquidate its 24-year-old real estate fund, new NYC hotel labor agreements ahead of the World Cup, and Chicago multifamily sales surging 117%. We then break down the proposed
397. What the Fed Is Really Watching, CRE’s Consolidation Wave, Why Retail Is Winning, the LA Mansion Tax Backfire & AT&T's Move to Plano
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack a sharp Treasury repricing that pushed the 10-year past 4.5% and what it means for the CRE recovery. We also cover consumer warning signs from Costco, the underwhelming results of LA's mansion tax, Google and Blackstone's new AI cloud venture, and the Ares-Scion $910 million student housing portfolio deal. In our 101 segment, &
396. Inside Trepp Connect: Capital Deployment, the Lending Reset & CRE’s Emerging Divide Amid AI and Data Center Growth
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack a split picture: hotter-than-expected CPI and PPI prints set against a more constructive capital markets backdrop. We recap two days of our Trepp Connect (in NYC) conference, where the overall sentiment was positive on capital availability and deal activity, walking through the conference sessions on the economic outlook, capital deploymen
395. Structure, Scale, & Liquidity: What’s Driving CRE Right Now (and Mall Ownership 101)
In this week’s episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we explore the market forces shaping commercial real estate, with a focus on structure, control, and optionality in today’s investment landscape. We cover several major headlines, including a potential AvalonBay–Equity Residential combination, Starwood’s pause on redemptions at its S-REIT, and KKR’s launch of a $10 billion AI-driven data center fund
394. The Inflation Games: The Fed Transition & Trimmed Mean PCE, Regional Bank & Mortgage REIT Earnings, & AI-Driven Real Estate Transactions
In this week’s episode of the TreppWire Podcast, we unpack the latest macro uncertainties shaping markets, from the Federal Reserve’s rate outlook to the potential transition to a Warsh-led Fed. We also share a 101 on Trimmed Mean PCE, explaining how the metric works, why it matters, and why it is gaining attention as an alternative way to read underlying inflation trends. We also examine mixed si
393. Debt Liquidity, Senior Housing's Surge, and the 2026 CRE Outlook with Chad Lavender of Newmark
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we sit down with Chad Lavender, President of Capital Markets for North America at Newmark, to unpack how credit, liquidity, and pricing have recalibrated through the 2025 maturity wave and what that signals for 2026. With more than $50 billion in investment sales, recapitalizations, debt placements, and JV equity transactions to his name, Cha
392. Gigawatts & Green Shoots: Data Center 101, Blue Owl's Healthcare Grab, & NYC's Pension Housing Bet
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine the selective stabilization theme shaping CRE in 2026, with strong retail sales and pending home sales pointing to forward motion even as affordability still caps housing. We break down Blue Owl's $2.4 billion acquisition of Sila Realty Trust, dig into multifamily supply dynamics as the top 25 developers command a record share of
391. Justin Kennedy of 3650 Capital on Dispersion, Demand Shifts, and the New CRE Market
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re joined by Justin Kennedy, Co-Founder and Managing Partner of 3650 Capital, to discuss the state of commercial real estate (CRE) through the lens of nearly three decades of experience. Justin outlines how 3650 Capital operates across stable cash flow lending, real estate credit solutions, and special situations. We dive into significant
390. Improving Liquidity, Banks Beat Earnings, a 1031 101, & More on Y'all Street: What It All Means for CRE
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we cover persistent inflation pressures tied to energy costs, improving liquidity in commercial real estate (CRE) financing and private credit markets, and key takeaways from bank earnings, where large banks continue to pull back from CRE lending while regional banks increase exposure. We also discuss the planned July 2026 launch of the Texas Stock
389. Why Smart Capital Is Still Betting on Office with Mike McDonald, JLL Capital Markets
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we sit down with Mike McDonald, Senior Managing Director of JLL Capital Markets, Americas, to unpack the current reality and outlook of the U.S. office real estate market. Mike shares his career journey, from managing boutique firms to co-leading JLL’s national office investment platform, and offers a 25-year perspective on how office real es
388. Strait Talk: Oil Shock, CMBS Issuance and Private Credit Signals, Appraisal Reduction 101
In this episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack the market reaction to the US-Iran ceasefire and examine whether the energy shock has already left its mark on upcoming inflation data. We analyze Jamie Dimon's annual shareholder letter and its warnings on geopolitics, AI, and banking regulations. We share highlights from our Trepp banking webinar on CRE lending trends and private credit dyn
387. Houston, We Have a Slowdown: Loan Outcomes, CRE Reality, & Capital on the Move
This week, the data is sending mixed signals about the state of the economy. In this episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down February retail sales coming in stronger than expected, suggesting the consumer was still holding up earlier in the year, even as more recent data points to some softening beneath the surface and rates remain volatile. We also take a step back to examine long-term cy
386. Escalate to De-Escalate: Bank Capital & Lending Shifts, CRE Fundraising, Construction Cost Pressures, & More
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down a market defined by volatility and an “escalate‑to‑de‑escalate” dynamic playing out in real time. We unpack the sharp intraday reversals in rates as weak Treasury demand and inflation concerns push yields higher, only to be pulled back by intermittent hopes for de‑escalation. We also examine new Federal Reserve proposals aimed at reduc
385. Market Shocks: Oil Prices Reframe the Macro, Six Years Post-COVID, Self-Storage Consolidation, & Office Green Shoots
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine the Fed's decision to hold rates steady against a rapidly escalating geopolitical energy shock that is re-accelerating inflation and effectively taking rate relief off the table for CRE borrowers. We also look back six years to when COVID shocked the world and walk through Trepp data to review how each property sector held up, recover
384. Volatility Returns: Oil Shock, Two Market Risks, Student Housing Exposure, Savills-Eastdil Deal, & More Impactful Headlines
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down how the spike in oil is affecting the broader economy and discuss how the energy shock is adding new uncertainty to inflation, Fed policy, and market sentiment. We also analyze the state of the student housing market as March Madness approaches and examine proposed housing legislation that could reshape the single-family rental landsca
383. Gulf Shock & Market Resilience: Ides of March Returns, YTD CRE CLO Issuance & SASB AAA Downgrades
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine rising Middle East tensions following US-Israeli strikes on Iran, including Iranian drone damage to Amazon data centers in the Gulf, and the ripple effects on oil prices and the 10-year Treasury. We cover the reversal of the 10-year Treasury back above 4%, rising oil prices, and record redemption requests at Blackstone's private credi
382. Resilience or Repricing? Private Credit, CMBS Market Sentiment, Office Signals, and Trading Alerts
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we explore whether current market conditions reflect resilience or the early stages of repricing. We break down mixed inflation signals, the Supreme Court’s tariff ruling, and what policy uncertainty means for rates and risk appetite. We dig into private credit volatility and rising selectivity, CMBS issuance sentiment coming out of the SFVegas conf
381. Quiet Week, Loud Signals: Data Center Hyperdrive, Industrial Rankings, Office & Retail Trading Alerts
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we highlight softer‑than‑expected inflation, market takeaways from the Fed minutes, and key data releases on deck in a shortened week. We talk about key developments in affordable housing cand multifamily markets, followed by a look at data center growth and why Texas could be emerging as the next major hub. In a “digging through the data” segme
380. How Larry Connor Built a Multi-Billion-Dollar Multifamily Machine
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we sit down with Larry Connor, Founder and Managing Partner of The Connor Group, one of the largest privately held multifamily investment firms in the U.S. Larry shares how he went from a failed business venture to building a multi-billion-dollar multifamily platform grounded in operational discipline. He explains why operations, not renovati
379. Squaring the Macro Circle, The Retail Rationalization, Multifamily Recalibration, & Lodging Capital Rotation
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the growing disconnect between headline strength and underlying softness in the economy. Retail sales came in flat, jobs surprised to the upside, and sweeping BLS revisions quietly erased nearly 900,000 jobs from 2025 totals, leaving markets to reconcile conflicting signals. In commercial real estate, a wave of store closures from lega
378. Banking Back in Focus: Santander-Webster Deal, SLOOS Signals, Office CRE Delinquency Jump, Industrial & Data Center Deal Desk
Right after we recorded last week, President Trump nominated Kevin Warsh to succeed Jerome Powell. In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine what that move could signal for the future path of interest rates and how markets are reacting. A brief government shutdown also delayed key economic data releases, leaving investors with limited visibility into growth and labor conditions.
377. Rates Steady, CRE in Motion: Multifamily Underwriting Pivot, Apartment Cash Flow Analysis, & Co‑Working Comeback
As much of the U.S. stays frozen, the Fed also kept rates on ice this week. In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the decision and what a shifting policy landscape could mean as Chair Powell’s term winds down. In multifamily, we share insights from the National Multifamily Housing Council conference, including a closer look at disciplined JV equity underwriting and the bri
376. Inside Industrial Strategy, Alternative Assets & Private Credit with Clarion Partners’ Rick Schaupp
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Richard (Rick) Schaupp, equity owner, Managing Director, and Head of Private Wealth Distribution at Clarion Partners. Rick shares his expert perspective on today’s commercial real estate (CRE) landscape and how Clarion is positioning itself across cycles. Rick provides insights into Clarion’s strategic focus on industrial and
375. Fed Signals & CRE Shifts: Data Centers, Multifamily Supply Wave, & Amazon’s Big Box Move
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down a busy week of economic data as markets look ahead to the Fed’s next meeting and reset expectations for 2026 interest rates. We also cover policy headlines out of Davos that are adding uncertainty around taxes, credit, and regulation. In commercial real estate, we spotlight the growing divide between slowing construction activity a
374. Back from CREFC Miami: Commercial Real Estate Market Sentiment, Macro Headlines, & Special Servicing Trading Alerts
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, markets are digesting a mix of macro headlines and early signals from commercial real estate (CRE) as 2026 gets underway. We kick things off with insights from the CRE Finance Council Conference in Miami, where discussions centered on improving liquidity, tighter spreads, and the uptick in CMBS issuance. From there, we turn to macroeconomic updates,
373. Separating Risk From Noise in 2026: Digesting Major Policy Shifts, Distress Early Indicators, Major Office Transactions & Moves
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we kick off 2026’s first full trading week with a look at the headlines shaping CRE, housing, and the broader economy. We discuss President Trump’s proposal to limit institutional purchases of single-family homes, the year-end drop in mortgage demand, Treasury Secretary Bessent’s comments on potential Fed rate cuts, and Mamdani’s bankruptcy sale pol
372. Carmen Spinoso on Leasing, Experiential Retail, & Why Enclosed Malls Still Matter | Spinoso Real Estate Group
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re joined by Carmen Spinoso, Chairman and CEO of Spinoso Real Estate Group, one of the country's largest privately held enclosed mall operators. With more than 35 years of industry experience, Carmen shares how his firm approaches value creation across its portfolio, including high-profile projects like the management of Grand Central
371. Setting the Stage for 2026: Commercial Real Estate Outlook, Key Predictions & Market Resolutions
In our final 2025 episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we look ahead to what 2026 may bring for commercial real estate (CRE), sharing initial calls for the year while reflecting on how economic conditions, interest rates, and tariffs shaped the past twelve months. We dive into CMBS-specific dynamics, including issuance, delinquencies, and maturities that set the stage for the new year. Our prediction
370. Unwrapping Commercial Real Estate Property Types in 2025: Market Surprises, Year-End Takeaways & More
In this special holiday episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we take a step back to “unwrap” the biggest property-sector themes as the year winds down — and one word stands out: bifurcation. We dig into the major data and headlines from 2025 to uncover where performance is holding strong and where early signs of softness are emerging across sectors. We highlight the markets that surprised us most thi
369. Before Circling Back: Jobs Data, Fed Policy, CRE Strategy Featuring Ground Leases, Data Centers, Investor Trends & More
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we talk about the market’s response to the Fed’s third straight 25-basis-point rate cut and what early indicators suggest for the economy. We analyze the November jobs report, which surprised with 64,000 payroll gains but also saw unemployment climb to 4.6%, the highest since September 2021. We cover how easing monetary policy could shape commercial
368. In the Eye of the Commercial Real Estate Storm with Michael Comparato, Benefit Street Partners
In this special episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we are joined by Michael Comparato, President of FBRT and Senior Managing Director and Head of Commercial Real Estate at Benefit Street Partners. Michael shares why he believes the commercial real estate market is still in the eye of the storm and why a V-shaped recovery is unlikely. He explains why underwriting the story matters more than the spre
367. Year-End CRE Plot Twists: Fed Dots and Drama, Warner Bros. Sale & Their CRE Footprint, and Office & Multifamily Transactions
This week, we recorded right after the Fed’s December decision to cut interest rates by 25 basis points. In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down what the Fed’s communication could mean for rates, credit spreads, and CRE financing conditions in the months ahead. We also discuss the December SEP update, including three dissenting votes and revised growth projections for 2026.
366. 2025 Issuance Tops $120B, Fannie/Freddie Lending Caps, NYC–Cincinnati Office Pricing Gaps, Market Trends & More
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine the state of the commercial real estate (CRE) market and how macroeconomic factors are shaping property sectors, from multifamily to single-family housing. We cover the FHFA’s new 2026 caps for Fannie and Freddie, inflation’s impact on consumer spending, and millennial living trends. We also highlight private-label CMBS issuance topping $
365. Cooling, Not Crashing: Thankful for CRE Bright Spots & A Ground Lease 101
We recorded early this week ahead of the Thanksgiving holiday, but even in a short week, the big picture is clear: the economy is cooling, not crashing. In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we provide a quick macroeconomic update on where things stand as we head into the holiday and discuss how it all ties back to commercial real estate (CRE). We kick off with a special segment on what
364. Reading the Commercial Real Estate Room: Office Bifurcation, Retail Divergence, & SASB Reality Checks
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we examine the latest Fed signals as the October FOMC minutes highlight a growing split inside the committee and a wider range of potential outcomes heading into year-end. In commercial real estate, we dig into the rising optimism in office lending and why the narrative is far from uniform... Class A assets are seeing real momentum while B/C propert
363. WeWork CEO John Santora on the Power of Flexibility & Real Estate Cycles
In this special guest episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we welcome John Santora, CEO of WeWork and a seasoned leader in global commercial real estate (CRE) industry. After nearly five decades at Cushman & Wakefield, John shares his path to WeWork and his vision for leading the company. We explore major industry shifts, the cyclical nature of CRE, and WeWork’s evolving role in the market. John
362. CRE Earnings Show Market Resilience, CMBS Issuance Nears $120B, 50-Year Mortgage Debate, & More
At the time of our recording, lawmakers were racing to avert the government shutdown. In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the White House’s proposal for a 50-year mortgage and the risks it could introduce, along with the latest CEO talking points on AI investments. In commercial real estate (CRE), we look at how brokerage earnings signal market strength despite headlines
361. NYC's Rent Regulation Debate, AI Innovation for CRE, Inside the Loans Driving Distress & Notable Transactions
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we discuss the ongoing government shutdown and its implications, along with the Federal Reserve’s cautious stance and how it is affecting the markets. We also explore the potential impact of New York City’s new mayor on real estate trends and housing affordability. We cover the recent partnership between OpenAI and Amazon, which represents a notable
360. Fed Easing into the Unknown, Bank Mergers, $4.8T CRE Debt Universe, and Headline Highlights in Multifamily and Office
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the Fed’s 25-basis-point rate cut and the continued banking consolidation trend, including Huntington’s acquisition of Cadence Bank. We discuss Amazon’s 14,000 layoffs amid its AI push and how that shift impacts office demand and data centers. We also review Trepp’s new report on the $4.8 trillion CRE debt universe, which details who h
359. CRE Playbook: Navigating the Shutdown, AWS Outage & AI Shifts, and Bad Bank Loans?
The government is still shut down and the markets are awaiting a delayed inflation report. While this doesn’t sound like new news, in this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we give it all a real estate spin – what do the happenings in the macro landscape really mean in the context for the commercial real estate (CRE) market. We dive into the Amazon Web Services (AWS) outage and its implicat
358. Beige Book Insights, CMBS Lending Leaders, Data Center Risks, Walmart’s AI Move & NYC’s Office Comeback
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack the ripple effects of the government shutdown and discuss how the Beige Book has gained importance amid the economic data drought. We highlight Trepp’s projection of over $123 billion in private-label CMBS issuance for 2025 and preview our September CMBS Special Servicing report, where the rate climbed to 10.65%—the highest since May 2013.
357. Shutdown? Maybe in DC… CMBS Issuance Surges, Bank Consolidation, Office Recapitalization
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break down the U.S. government still being shut down and what it means for economic data releases being paused the longer it drags on. We unpack the September Fed meeting minutes, which revealed a split among policymakers following last month’s 25-basis-point rate cut. We dive into Q3 CMBS issuance trends and explore how the current pace could ma
356. What This Week Means for CRE: Government Shutdown, AI’s Impact on Employees, CMBS Delinquency Rate Pulls Back, Bank Data Insights & More
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we analyze what recent developments mean for commercial real estate (CRE), starting with the U.S. government shutdown. We explore its potential economic impact, how long it could last, and what historical shutdowns suggest for CRE. We continue the ongoing conversation about AI, including Accenture layoffs, and Citi’s employee training. Next, we brea
355. The Markets Keep Moving: Office Bright Spots, Compass’ $1.6B Merger Reshapes Resi, Recapture Explained, & Trepp Trading Alerts
Is office a good investment alternative? In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we break it down, spotlighting growing demand for high-end CBD space even amid ongoing distress. We dive into Compass’ $1.6 billion acquisition of Anywhere and its potential impact on the broader residential brokerage landscape, along with August’s new home sales data. Responding to a listener question, we ex
354. Behind the Debt Yield Metric in Commercial Real Estate with John Barkidjija of Byline Bank
In this special episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re joined by John Barkidjija, Executive Vice President and Head of Commercial Real Estate (CRE) and Specialty Finance at Byline Bank. Better known to our listeners as Dr. Debt Yield, John shares why the debt yield metric remains a cornerstone in CRE and reflects on the moment it became his preferred tool for analyzing real estate. He offers valu
353. From Dot Plot to Deal Flow: Unpacking the Fed's Cut, Retail Data Stays Strong, Paramount’s $1.6B Play, Special Servicing Rates Fall
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we analyze the Federal Reserve's recent rate cut and the impact on the commercial real estate (CRE) capital markets. We revisit the movement of the Secured Overnight Financing Rate (SOFR) and credit spreads leading up to the decision. We also unpack the stronger-than-expected retail sales data for August, debate whether economists are overestima
352. Nearly 1M Jobs Vanish, Industrial Demand Cools, Return-to-Office Mandates, D.C.'s Office-to-Resi Tax Incentives, & More
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we unpack major labor market revisions, revealing that job growth was overstated by 911,000 jobs over the past year. We analyze recent data that strengthens the case for a 25-basis-point rate cut at the upcoming Fed meeting. We also dive into Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s op-ed, which critiques the Federal Reserve’s post-2008 monetary policy sh
351. CMBS Loan Workouts Unfiltered with Shlomo Chopp
In this special episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we’re joined again by Shlomo Chopp, Managing Partner of Case Equity Partners, to discuss commercial mortgage-backed security (CMBS) loan workouts and distressed property situations. Shlomo offers a deep dive into his firm’s strategic approach to navigating complex loan restructurings and asset management. He breaks down the dynamics between small a
350. CRE's Yield Curve Conundrum, Residential Reality Check, Bank Transparency on Trial & Office Bright Spots
In this week’s episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we assess the current state of the market, explore the commercial real estate (CRE) yield curve, and check in on residential mortgage rate trends. We unpack recent changes to bank reporting rules that could make it easier for banks to hide troubled loans and conceal signs of distress in their lending portfolios. Turning to property stories of the we
349. Economic Resilience vs. Headlines: Tale of Two Consumers, Record Office CMBS Delinquency, & Multifamily & Office Inflection Point?
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we discuss retail earnings revealing a bifurcated consumer with value players like Five Below and Walmart raising guidance while restaurants struggle, and examine resilient GDP growth despite declining consumer confidence. We dive into our latest CMBS delinquency data, showing office hitting another all-time high of 11.66% and multifamily reachi
348. Office Origination, Stagflation, Job Data Misinformation & Retail Earnings Fluctuation
In this week's episode of The TreppWire Podcast, we dive into growing economic concerns, from stagflation risks and the ongoing market uncertainty related to tariffs and Federal Reserve policy. We discuss the quality of the monthly jobs data to forecast future demand, and break down the latest retail sales data and performance, highlighting mixed earnings reports - such as Home Depot’s slight
