Checkered Jaguar
The Checkered Jaguar is a podcast hosted by Brescia Dover that creates space for difficult and vulnerable conversations. It explores mental health, culture, life, and other meaningful topics. Brescia, a Hodgkin's Lymphoma survivor and mental health advocate, is occasionally joined by guests. The show aims to bring real, important discussions to the table. It is also connected to her boutique marketing agency, The Checkered Jaguar.
Episodes
My Mental Health Survival Kit: Anxiety, Coping Tools & What Actually Helps
Mental health looks different for everyone, but over the years I’ve built my own little “mental health survival kit” of tools that help me when I’m anxious, overwhelmed, overthinking, or simply having a hard day.In this episode of The Checkered Jaguar, I’m sharing the things I actually use in my everyday life, from morning rituals, movement and breathwork to gratitude, letting myself cry, changing
Depersonalization and Anxiety: Finding Yourself Again with Niall Sankey
What does depersonalization actually feel like, and why can anxiety make it so frightening? Niall Sankey joins Brescia Dover on The Checkered Jaguar to share how a THC experience triggered depersonalization, leaving him feeling disconnected from his body and surroundings.They discuss the anxiety cycle, talk therapy, grounding techniques, relationships, productivity, vulnerability, and learning to
What It's Really Like Living with OCPD (Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder)
In this episode of The Checkered Jaguar, I'm opening up about something I've only recently come to fully accept: my diagnosis of Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (OCPD).For years, I believed my perfectionism, need for control, and constant overthinking were simply part of who I was. It wasn't until navigating my autoimmune disease and facing some of life's biggest challeng
If You Have Ankylosing Spondylitis, This Episode Is for You
In this episode, I’m sharing my personal story with ankylosing spondylitis. AS is a chronic inflammatory autoimmune condition that primarily affects the spine and sacroiliac joints.I open up about what my symptoms have looked like, the journey to getting answers, what it feels like to live with chronic pain and inflammation, and the emotional side of being diagnosed with an invisible illness. I al
Healing in a World That Keeps You Sick | Featuring Jensen Dover
In this episode of The Checkered Jaguar, Brescia sits down with her brother, Jensen Dover, for an honest conversation about health, healing, inflammation, and the lifestyle changes that can truly transform the way we feel.After recently being diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis, an autoimmune disease that causes chronic inflammation and pain, Brescia opens up about the emotional and physical cha
Trichotillomania, Anxiety & Control | Erin Hatch’s Story
In this episode of The Checkered Jaguar, Erin Hatch shares her experience living with trichotillomania, anxiety, and control-related coping behaviors, and how these patterns began in childhood and have continued into adulthood.Erin opens up about growing up in an environment marked by instability and unpredictability, and how those early experiences shaped the way she processes stress, anxiety, an
OCD, Panic Attacks & Anxiety | Jacob Hatch’s Story
In this episode of The Checkered Jaguar, Jacob Hatch shares his personal experience living with OCD, panic attacks, and anxiety, and what it was like to go years without fully realizing what he was experiencing was actually Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.Jacob opens up about how his symptoms first began, how OCD showed up in different ways throughout his life, and the emotional toll of living in a
Loving a Child Through Mental Illness | A Parent’s Perspective with Susie Dover
In this deeply honest episode of The Checkered Jaguar, Brescia Dover sits down with her mom, Susie Dover, to explore mental health through a perspective that is rarely talked about—the parent’s.As both Brescia and one of her brothers navigated serious mental health challenges growing up, Susie had to learn how to support her children while also protecting her own well-being.Together, they share th
Dating with Discernment: Self-Love, Non-Negotiables, and Choosing the Right Person
In this solo episode of The Checkered Jaguar, Brescia dives into an honest, vulnerable conversation about self-love, dating, and why choosing the right life partner matters more than ever — especially on the eve of Valentine’s Day.This episode goes beyond surface-level self-care and explores the deeper truth: self-love is discernment. It’s the courage to honor your non-negotiables, to walk away fr
Entrepreneur Lessons I Learned Building a Boutique Marketing Agency
In this episode, I’m sharing the real, behind-the-scenes lessons I’ve learned as an entrepreneur and marketing agency owner while building The Checkered Jaguar. From navigating unexpected roadblocks to refining systems, boundaries, and client relationships, this episode is a candid look at what it actually takes to run a boutique marketing agency.I break down the challenges that don’t get talked a
A Veterinarian’s Untold Story: Dr. Thomas Kile on PAO Surgery, Pain, Love, and Starting Over
In this powerful and deeply human episode, I sit down with Dr. Thomas Kile to explore the parts of his story that rarely get talked about — the moments of pain, transition, growth, and profound resilience that have shaped who he is today.Together, we dive into the emotional chapters behind his life as a veterinarian: navigating childhood shifts, understanding the long-term impact of his parents’ d
The PAO Surgery Recovery Journey: The Final Chapter of Healing from Hip Dysplasia
In this solo episode of The Checkered Jaguar, I open up about a major milestone in my healing journey — getting the screws removed from my hips after undergoing two PAO surgeries.Periacetabular Osteotomy (PAO) surgery is a surgical procedure used to treat hip dysplasia, a condition where the hip socket (acetabulum) is abnormally shallow or misshapen. This can lead to hip pain, instability, and ear
Finding Enoughness: Laura Kelly on Mental Health, Healing, and Resilience
In this powerful episode of The Checkered Jaguar, Brescia sits down with Laura Kelly — entrepreneur, mom, and co-founder of Clover Growth Partners — for a deeply honest conversation about mental health, resilience, and rediscovering enoughness.Laura opens up about her journey from living with anxiety and panic attacks to building a life anchored in healing, strength, and self-worth. She shares wha
How to Get Over a Breakup (When It Still Hurts)
In this episode, I share my journey of healing from heartbreak almost one year after my breakup. If you’ve ever wondered how to heal after heartbreak, how long it really takes to move on, or how to let go of someone you love, this conversation is for you. From the hardest moments to the breakthrough lessons, I talk about what breakup recovery actually looks like and why healing isn’t always a stra
Behind the Moment: A Deep Dive into the Mind and Artistry of Jay Worsley
On this episode of The Checkered Jaguar, I sit down with Emmy award-winning filmmaker Jay Worsley—a visionary whose cinematic work has captivated audiences around the world. From his early days building Everly Films in the wedding industry to directing, writing, and starring in his own film ReRun, Jay has continually pushed the boundaries of what it means to tell an honest, emotional story.We expl
Becoming Unapologetically You: Ryan Coyle’s Story of Identity, Confidence & Growth
In this heartfelt and inspiring episode of The Checkered Jaguar, Brescia sits down with dear friend and co-owner of GROUNDWRK, Ryan Coyle, for a raw and powerful conversation about identity, expression, and transformation. From his early experiences of feeling different as a kid, to the emotional process of coming out, to boldly stepping into his most authentic self — Ryan shares his journey of be
The Check-In: What Life’s Been Teaching Me Lately
In this solo episode of The Checkered Jaguar, I’m reflecting on some of the biggest life lessons I’ve been sitting with lately—and honoring a really special milestone: hitting one year post-PAO surgery on my right hip. June marks a full year of healing, learning, and growth—not just physically, but emotionally as well.I’m sharing where I’m at right now, what feels tender, what feels strong, and th
Dr. Allison Rosenthal on Surviving Leukemia and Treating Hodgkin’s Lymphoma at The Mayo Clinic
In this powerful episode of The Checkered Jaguar, host Brescia Dover sits down with Dr. Allison Rosenthal, a lymphoma oncology specialist, fellow blood cancer survivor, and Medical Director of the Adolescent and Young Adult (AYA) Cancer Program at the Mayo Clinic in Arizona.Dr. Rosenthal shares her personal journey of being diagnosed with blood cancer and how it shaped her path into medicine and o
The Truth About Surviving Hodgkin’s Lymphoma Cancer: What I Learned
In this episode, I’m opening up about what having Hodgkin's Lymphoma cancer taught me—about life, resilience, self-worth, and the power of perspective. From the moment of diagnosis to navigating treatment and stepping into survivorship, I’ll share the hardest lessons I had to learn, the unexpected ways my mindset shifted, and how this experience changed my approach to life forever.I’ll also dive i
Periacetabular Osteotomy (PAO) Surgery and Hip Dysplasia: Expert Insights from Mayo Clinic’s Dr. Bingham
Today we’re joined by Dr. Bingham, a renowned orthopedic surgeon from the Mayo Clinic specializing in hip preservation and Periacetabular Osteotomy (PAO) surgery. We dive into the complexities of hip dysplasia, its symptoms, and why it’s often misdiagnosed. Dr. Bingham shares his journey into medicine, his international training in hip reconstruction, and the profound impact PAO surgeries have on
Rett Syndrome: Parenting, Challenges, and Finding Strength With Brittany & Raul Moreno
In this heartfelt and inspiring episode, host Brescia Dover sits down with Brittany and Raul Moreno, devoted parents and passionate advocates for Rett Syndrome awareness. Their oldest daughter, Camila, was diagnosed with Rett Syndrome at just 18 months old—a rare genetic neurological disorder that profoundly impacts motor skills, communication, and daily life.Brittany and Raul share their journey,
Life Lessons From 2024: A Journey of Resilience and Growth
In this solo episode, I reflect on the transformative lessons I learned in 2024 and share how I’m stepping into the new year with courage and purpose. From overcoming two massive PAO surgeries to growing my boutique marketing agency, navigating heartbreak, embracing financial independence, and setting healthy boundaries, this year has been one of resilience and growth. Join me as I step boldly int
Overcoming Anxiety: A Personal Story of Struggle and Hope With Jensen Dover
In this deeply personal episode, I’m joined by my younger brother, Jensen, who bravely shares his journey with anxiety and panic attacks—a story he’s never told publicly before. From his earliest experiences as a child, through moments when anxiety became unmanageable, to the tools and support systems that helped him heal, Jensen opens up about what it’s like to live with and manage anxiety. We di
Squeaky Wheels Get Things Done: The Art of Persistent Self-Advocacy
Let's dive into the concept of being a ‘squeaky wheel’—not in the annoying sense, but in the way that persistence, boldness, and creative problem-solving can help you achieve your goals. I’ll share personal stories about landing my first corporate job by standing out in unique ways, and how I’ve fought for my health in navigating medical insurance for multiple surgeries. You'll walk away with acti
Embracing Change and Uncertainty: Growing Through Life's Unexpected Moments
In this heartfelt episode we explore the inevitability of change and how embracing uncertainty can be a powerful catalyst for personal growth. Life rarely goes according to plan, but it’s in those unpredictable moments that we find our strength. I’ll share my own experiences with life-altering health challenges, career transitions, and mental health struggles, and how each of these shifts has shap
How To Let Your Life Challenges Fuel Your Fire & Help You Find Your Purpose
In this heartfelt episode I open up about the significant health challenges I've faced over the years, from breaking my arms at a young age to overcoming Anorexia, Bipolar disorder, Hodgkin's Lymphoma cancer, and enduring hip dysplasia with PAO surgeries.
These experiences have shaped who I am, fueling my passion and purpose in life. This episode is a deep dive into the strength of the hu
Navigating Love and Life in Our 20's: Challenges, Growth, and Resilience. Featuring Kyle Berry
It's time to talk all about relationships in your 20s with my life partner, Kyle Berry. Over our nearly two years together, Kyle and I have navigated significant challenges, including his recent diagnosis with Crohn’s disease and my major hip surgery. We discuss the realities of relationships in your 20s—the work, the growth, and the beauty in the struggles.
Our journey together is a testame
Navigating Hip Dysplasia: My PAO Surgery Story
In this heartfelt episode we will dive deep into my personal journey with hip dysplasia, a condition that has profoundly impacted my life. I share the ups and downs, from the initial diagnosis to all the challenges and triumphs along the way.
We will be talking about my recent PAO (Periacetabular Osteotomy) surgery on my right hip, discussing the preparation, the procedure, and the ongoing recove
Getting Real About Sex: Breaking The Taboo With Sex Therapist Bethany Gardner-Blue
Today we are joined by Bethany Gardner-Blue who is a Licensed Associate Marriage and Family Therapist specializing in relationship issues, Women’s issues, ADHD, LGBTQ+, and sex therapy.
In this episode, we will be discussing sexuality and getting comfortable with having "sex" conversations. I hope that by the end of this episode, you will feel less guilt, shame, or fear surrounding this
Navigating Infertility And Faith Transitions With Baylie Janis
Today we are joined by an amazing individual: Baylie Janis, who will be sharing her journey through infertility and faith transitions, offering insights and understanding to others who may be going through what she went through. Baylie's story is full of resilience, hope, and highlights the power of embracing change. Baylie also owns a social media management company called The Social Butterfl
Turning Pain into Purpose: A Conversation with 4-Time Cancer Survivor William Yank
William Yank is a 4x cancer survivor who has dealt with more health challenges than most people deal with in their entire lifetime- and he’s only 26! William has been through intensive treatment in his lifetime for Leukemia, including chemotherapy, CAR-T cell therapy, radiation, a stem cell transplant and so much more. Today, William has been in remission for about 2 ½ years and has a powerful sto
Beyond The Battle: A Conversation With 2x Cancer Survivor Rick Czaplewski
Today we are joined by Rick Czaplewski, a resilient 2x Hodgkin's Lymphoma cancer survivor of 27 years. Rick has done some incredible things in his lifetime including: climbing Mt. Rainier, running the Boston Marathon, swimming from Alcatraz to shore 12 times, and more! He uses his second chance at life to train for adventurous events, participate in public speaking, and he even wrote a book ca
How To Get Out Of Your Own Way
Today we will be discussing some of the following themes that are crucial no matter what stage of life you are in. These themes include: how to get out of your own way, setting goals, making career jumps, life hacks, and more!
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The Grit of Entrepreneurship With GROUNDWRK Co-Founders, Christian Nelson + Ryan Coyle
We're diving deep into the world of entrepreneurship in the fitness industry with the dynamic duo behind "GROUNDWRK" – the gym that's all about combining high-intensity training, strength building, and mindfulness. Get ready for a candid chat as we explore the grit of entrepreneurship and the challenges faced by our guests, Ryan Coyle and Christian Nelson as they’ve successfully
The Art of Adulting: Navigating The Difficult Journey of Adulthood
In my 25 years of life, one thing has become increasingly clear: adulting is not easy. We're put into a world where bills, taxes, and life's complexities demand our attention, but we're rarely equipped with the necessary tools to navigate it. Today we’re going to talk about all of it.
Girlhood Unveiled: A Conversation with 10-Year-Old Charlie
Today we have a very special guest with us, 10-year-old Charlie. We're here to explore the world through her eyes, talk about girlhood in the modern world, and normalize the conversations that are often challenging but so important.
You Deserve More: Recognizing When Your Relationship Needs to End
Feeling uncertain about your romantic relationships? If so, this episode is for you, from someone who completely gets it. Today we'll be talking about the importance of knowing what you need in a romantic relationship, understanding your self-worth, and recognizing the signs that it might be time to move on.
It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that you have to settle for less than
Navigating Non-Binary and Trans Identity. Featuring James Mount
Today we are joined by James Mount who is a non-binary and trans individual with a powerful story to share. This story is honest, real, and vulnerable. There is a lot to unpack in this episode, including James’ coming out experience, leaving a religion with strict gender roles, eating disorders, and so much more.
Healing With Horses: Exploring Equine Therapy's Transformative Power. Featuring Ann Wilson
Join us as we dive into the captivating world of equine-assisted therapy with Ann Wilson, CEO of Ignite Counseling & Equine Psychotherapy. Discover how horses play a pivotal role in mental health recovery, as we unravel the wonders of equine-assisted therapy programs. Gain a deeper appreciation for the profound horse-human connection and hear inspiring stories from Ignite's seven years of
Reclaiming Identity: Growing Up In The LDS Church
Today’s difficult & vulnerable conversation is on reclaiming your identity after growing up in the LDS church. This episode is for you are experiencing a faith crisis, trying to find yourself, or simply having doubts or questions surrounding your faith, specifically within the LDS or Mormon church. It's time to talk about how YOU can reclaim your identity.
How To Help Your Child Who Is Dealing With Mental Illness. Featuring Susie Dover
In today’s episode we will be discussing a vital & crucial topic: mental illness from the parent’s perspective, and how to help your child who is dealing with mental illness. We are joined by my mom, Susie Dover, who has had two of her children deal with significant + challenging mental illnesses- me, and my brother Jensen. As Susie has been there for both my brother and I through anorexia, bi
Social Media Isn't Real - How To Break Addictive Habits & End Comparison
Today I am going to be discussing a crucial and fitting topic in this modern world: social media. I will be sharing a unique perspective surrounding the positives of social media as well as the negatives. This episode is intended to educate you and help inform you about addictive patterns with social media as well as inspire you to end comparisons across all social media platforms. I know that soc
Becoming A Social Worker for Young Adult Cancer Patients. Featuring Melody Griffith
Today we are joined by Melody Griffith who is an oncology social worker for the Mayo Clinic. I had the privilege of working with Melody while I was going through my treatment for Hodgkin’s Lymphoma cancer. In this episode we will be talking about what it’s like to be a social worker for individuals in such a sensitive/challenging time of their life and what Melody’s experience has been like as she
Inside The Life of a Psychiatrist. Featuring Nicholas Baldwin
Today we will be discussing Nicholas’s journey to psychiatry and his overall experience as a psychiatrist. We will be covering ways to take care of YOUR mental health + showcasing ways to end the stigma around mental illness. Something to keep in mind is that 1 in 5 U.S adults live with a mental illness, that's why it’s vital we have this conversation and continue normalizing the discussion surrou
Learning How To Live A Happy & Successful Life With Bipolar
Today I am sharing what my journey with bipolar disorder as a young adult looked like. Some of the things I will be discussing today are things that I don’t normally share with people, mostly because it brings up memories that I don’t like to think about. But I believe that by sharing my story and being vulnerable, I may be able to inspire you to do the same. Get ready to learn… what the warning s
What It's Like to Have A Transgender Child. Featuring Rebecca Jones
Today we are joined by Rebecca Jones. Rebecca is a neurologist and mother of Shannyn Leavitt, who was a previous guest on the Checkered Jaguar podcast. If you missed Shannyn's episode, we covered his experience with “coming out” and being a transgender individual. In this new episode we will be providing an important perspective from the parent’s point of view on what it's like to have a transgend
Self-Pleasure Is Self-Love
Today we will be talking about controversial but very crucial subject matter that I feel needs to be shared: the importance of self-pleasure. The overall theme of this episode and my stance towards this topic is that self-pleasure IS a form of self-care. It's time to get vulnerable and de-stigmatize the conversation around self-pleasure.
What It's Like To Be Transgender. Featuring Shannyn Leavitt
Today we are joined by Shannyn Leavitt who will be sharing his experience with being a transgender individual who has undergone the necessary steps to live in the body he has always felt he belonged to. This episode is an amazing awareness check and opportunity for listeners to gain a better understanding into what being transgender really means.
From Crippling Anorexia And Suicide Trauma To Full Recovery. Featuring Tina McGuff
Today we are joined by the incredible Tina McGuff all the way from Scotland! Tina is an Anorexia survivor, mental health advocate, and best-selling author of her memoir Seconds to Snap. In this episode we will be covering Tina’s story from crippling Anorexia and suicide trauma to full recovery. With a very similar shared background of mental illness, Tina and I have a lot of insight and valuable e
What It Means To Be Pansexual + What A Healthy Coming Out Experience Looks Like. Featuring Leah Frandsen And Savannah Perez
In this episode we are joined by Leah Frandsen and her daughter Savannah Perez. Together we will be breaking down the stigma and having honest conversations on what it really is like to identify as part of the LGBTQIA+ community.
The Stigma Behind Marijuana. Featuring Marcus Dover & Adrian Almonte.
On this episode, we cover an important and highly relevant topic in society that many stigmatize and don’t like to talk about: marijuana. This episode will cover the science behind marijuana, why there is a stigma associated with it, and the benefits that marijuana may have on users. My goal with this episode is for our listeners to take away a deeper understanding towards weed, and maybe even tak
How to Handle Someone You Love Leaving The LDS Church. Featuring Meghan Parrish & George Dover
On this episode we are joined by siblings Meghan Parrish + George Dover. We will be discussing what it is like for a family that is raised in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints when one of their children decides to leave the church. We will be covering how a scenario like this not only affects the family but the sibling dynamic as well. This episode is going to help siblings in the LD
How to Cultivate Self-Love.
Host Brescia Dover, brings up important topics surrounding self-love and self-compassion & teaches how to cut out self-criticism in life. This episode is the perfect quick listen, & will leave you feeling inspired & ready to embrace the skin you are in.
What It's Like to Live With Epilepsy. Featuring Cole Jones
On today’s episode we are joined by Cole Jones. Cole was in a severe car accident three years ago that dramatically changed his life and ultimately led to him being diagnosed with epilepsy. Looking at Cole you honestly wouldn’t know that he has epilepsy. The truth is though, not many people are educated about what epilepsy actually is- I know I wasn’t until I met Cole. This is the overarching them
The Cultural Pressures To Get Married At A Young Age In The LDS Church + What Dating Is Like In Our Modern World. Featuring Nicole Horlacher
On this episode we will be discussing dating, and the cultural pressures surrounding youth getting married at a young age in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Featuring Nicole Horlacher, who is a part of the LDS church, and host Brescia Dover who is no longer a part of the LDS church. An important thing to note here is that Brescia & Nicole's friendship is built on the premise t
Navigating Adulthood After a Divorced Household + Overcoming Childhood Trauma. Featuring Jake Coyle
Jake Coyle is a fitness & personal training expert as well as the owner of Todd Smith Fitness in Phoenix, Arizona. He is much more than just a fitness guru though, he is a husband, brother, son, and soon to be father. He is also a very entrepreneurial minded individual, who has been through quite a bit in his lifetime. On this episode we will be talking about how Jake was affected as a young b
What It Takes to Become a Team USA Athlete. Featuring Max Aaron
On this episode we are joined by Max Aaron who is a former team USA athlete. Max began ice skating as a hockey player at age 3 & then switched to mens figure skating full-time at age 16. He was the United States Championship Men’s Champion in 2013 and the Olympic team alternate in 2014 and 2018. This podcast will cover Max’s journey on ice, as well as the challenges he faced along the way with
Overcoming Addiction & Finding Sobriety. Featuring Chailey Cording
In this episode we are joined by Chailey Cording who has overcome addiction & homelessness in her lifetime. We will be diving into Chailey's story & discussing how she reached sobriety. This episode will leave you with more empathy & understanding towards people who struggle with addiction.
Modern Relationships: Discussing Polyamory. Featuring Ryan Coyle & Christian Nelson
In this episode, we will be covering the pressing question of what a throuple really is & how it works. We are joined by Christian Nelson & Ryan Coyle who are in a polyamorous (three way) relationship. Get ready to learn what it's like to be in a modern day polyamorous relationship.
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What It's Like To Lose A Brother + Discussions on Grief Featuring Morgan Lunt
Recently, Morgan lost her older brother Kyson unexpectedly. Morgan was very close to Kyson & this experience is something that no sister should have to go through in their lifetime. In this episode we are going to learn how Morgan has dealt with grief, and how she has found the courage to continue to live her life, even with the loss of her older brother.
The Importance of Talking To Your Kids About Sex Featuring Suzy Dover
Just in time for Valentine's Day... it's time to talk about sex! This episode features Suzy Dover, who is Brescia's mom. Brescia & Suz talk about the importance of having discussions with your children surrounding the topic of sex. They also discuss Suz's upbringing in the Mormon church, and how that directly affected her sex life. This episode breaks down the walls & gets down to the nitt
Discussions on Gender & Being Bullied in High School Featuring Taylor (@g4ylor)
On this episode we are joined by one of my favorite humans- Taylor. We will be discussing what it was like for Taylor, coming out as gay, and the challenges she faced in a conservative Mormon/LDS high school, as well as discussing the concept of being gender fluid & so much more. My goal with this episode is to help others to better understand what it is like to be a part of the LGBTQIA2S+ com
Pilot Podcast. Meet The Checkered Jaguar + Discussion On Mental Illness.
Get to know the Checkered Jaguar and find out how the Checkered Jaguar came to be. Then dive deep into topics surrounding mental illnesses. This episode talks specifically about mental health versus physical health, and figuring out why people seem to be more empathetic towards physical illnesses but not as much mental illnesses.
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