5-4
5-4 is a progressive and occasionally profane podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it offers an irreverent tour of the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases. The show explores how the law is shaped by politics, with a focus on landmark cases and the Court's ideological battles. It is a production of Prologue Projects.
Episodes
Department of Homeland Security v. D.V.D. (and Rhoney v. Barbosa de Cunha)
Deporting people to dangerous countries? Detaining them indefinitely without bond? Bad, actually. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodger
250 Years of Bad Decisions Pt. 2: The Law Was Never Neutral [TEASER]
In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael for part two of their Supreme Court retrospective. This time they track how the myth of judicial neutrality has haunted America for centuries. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/su
De-Supremify the Supreme Court with Niko Bowie and Daphna Renan
Do we have to accept the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutional meaning? Legal scholars Niko Bowie and Daphne Renan say no! They join the podcast to talk about their new book, Supremacy: How Rule by the Court Replaced Government by the People, which argues against “judicial supremacy” and looks to America’s past to recover a more democratic constitutional tradition. Check out Suprema
2026-2027 Supreme Court Term Preview
It’s fall and you know what that means: a chill is in the air and in Sam Alito’s heart. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers. Leon Ne
The Innocence Case from Hell with Josie Duffy Rice
Friend of the pod Josie Duffy Rice joins Peter and Michael to talk about her new podcast, The Backfire Effect. Her show digs into the case of Temujin Kensu, a man sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Scott Macklem. Has the wrong man been in prison this whole time?Listen to The Backfire Effect wherever you get your podcasts. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing ev
National Park Service v. National Trust for Historic Preservation
We have to let the President build a ninety thousand square feet of ballroom.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this episode ad-free and listen to Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides ed
John Roberts is on Substack, U.S. Attorneys are Fake, and the DNC is a Scam [TEASER]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael dig into some recent headlines including plans to ban halal food in Texas, John Roberts’ Substack debut, the disturbing truth behind DNC spam texts, and more.Check out Adam Bonica’s investigation here.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join
NRSC v. FEC
Yet another opinion where the Supreme Court decides that money is speech and bribery doesn’t exist without a big sack of money. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Andrew
Trump v. Slaughter (and Trump v. Cook)
Executive agencies are fake by the way… If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy
Gambling Away the Future: Kalshi, SCOTUSBlog, and Trump’s Bet on the Midterms [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a break from case law to discuss the possibility of stolen midterms, the evil lawyers defending Kalshi and Polymarket, and SCOTUSBlog’s subtle conservative makeover. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4
Mullin v. Doe
It’s not racist to think, act, and talk like a racist.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed b
West Virginia v. B.P.J.
The Supreme Court backs West Virginia in banning it's only openly trans student athlete from the girls cross country team. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, get access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by A
The Legal Media is Still in Denial [SUBSCRIBER-ONLY]
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael take a hard look at media coverage of this Supreme Court term. Thank you to our wonderful subscribers. 5 to 4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Allison Rodgers . Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations.Follow th
Trump v. Barbara
Birthright citizenship, widely considered settled law before Trump tried to overturn it via executive order last year, escaped this term unscathed by one single vote. Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael explore the various mental illnesses, brainworms, and ahistorical nonsense that led to such a close decision. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and
250 Years of Bad Decisions: SCOTUS, the Civil War, and the End of Reconstruction
In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, Michael and University of Pennsylvania Law Professor Kermit Roosevelt as they talk through how the Supreme Court greased the wheels for the end of Reconstruction and the rise of Jim Crow.Check out Kermit’s book The Nation That Never Was: Reconstructing America’s Story.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode!
“The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”: Dissecting John Roberts with Lisa Graves
Rhiannon interviews Lisa Graves – right‑wing influence expert, former Justice Department official, co‑host of Legal AF, and founder of True North Research – about her latest book, Without Precedent: How Chief Justice Roberts and His Accomplices Rewrote the Constitution and Dismantled Our Rights.Check out Without Precedent here! If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every e
The Supreme Court v. The First Step Act
In two cases this term, federal inmates sought their freedom based on compassionate release, an early release process that was expanded under the 2018 First Step Act. The Supreme Court denied both requests.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/suppo
Reform the Court and Your Love Life (Summer 2026 Mailbag) [TEASER]
The 5-4 team dreams up a bigger, better Supreme Court, gives advice to overachieving undergrads and late-blooming law students, and clears up confusion about Rhiannon’s finances. Thanks for all of your questions, and for being a Premium member!5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter
California v. Greenwood
Raccoons are the police now. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwo
Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha
In 1983, the Supreme Court declared the legislative veto unconstitutional, forever kneecapping Congress’ ability to check the executive branch. Now you have to learn about bicameralism and presentment. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5
Introducing: OnlyFantasy (Leon's New Podcast)
In this provocative investigation into OnlyFans— the adult platform where subscribers around the world spent more than $7 billion in 2024— the guy who reads the intros on 5-4 teams up with comedian and OnlyFans creator Gracie Canaan for a one-of-a-kind exploration into the current state of human connection.Captivating and tender, OnlyFantasy is about the cost of loneliness, the seductive power of
The People v. MrBeast [TEASER]
We made 3 legal podcasters watch Mr. Beast and now they think he’s the antichrist. If you're not a Patreon member, you're not hearing every episode! To get exclusive Patreon-only episodes, discounts on merch, access to our Slack community, and more, join at patreon.com/fivefourpod.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editor
Louisiana v. Callais
The end of the Voting Rights Act, brought to you by the Supreme Court.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our websit
Brecht v. Abrahamson
You have the right to remain silent. Unless you are a gay ex-con from Wisconsin. Then you’re a Bad Boy™.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh prov
The Tea: Leaks, Gossip, and More Supreme Court Drama
Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael talk about the memos leaked to the New York Times, Sotomayor v. Kavanaugh, and the potential Supreme Court vibe shift. Remember, you can always leak to 5-4!Thank you to our subscribers. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by T
Birthrights and Birthwrongs [TEASER]
Peter and Rhiannon revisit the oral arguments in Trump v. Barbara, aka the birthright citizenship case. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh prov
Chiles v. Salazar
It’s your therapist’s sacred First Amendment right to give you medically discredited advice. Thank you to our subscribers. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each e
Hudson v. Michigan
If we live in a multiverse, are your constitutional rights ever truly violated??Thank you to our subscribers. 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each episode are av
Dames & Moore v. Regan
A 1981 case about how the president doesn’t really have to follow the text of the law if Congress already let them ignore it. Oh yeah, and Iran is involved. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produ
No War Is Illegal (When They All Are) [TEASER]
As President Trump leads the U.S. into his very own middle eastern war, now may be a good time to ask: what part of the government actually has the power to declare war? And why does this theoretically limited power get used…constantly? Countries around the world would love to know. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only ep
Learning Resources Inc. v. Trump
Is the Supreme Court’s decision on tariffs a declaration of independence?? Only three columnists at the New York Times can say. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Ro
Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
This week, Rhiannon and Michael talk to two immigration lawyers about what it’s like to practice under the second Trump administration, the unprecedented uncertainty their clients face, why habeas petitions are taking off, the freaks who become ICE lawyers and ICE judges, and why there’s actually…reasons to hope?? If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hea
Meet Your Attorney General, Pam Bondi [TEASER]
Was she assembled in a lab by the Heritage Foundation? Summoned from beyond the veil by a MAGA demonologist? Or is she simply an emergent feature of Florida’s political swamp? Learn the history of your very angry Attorney General, Pam Bondi. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and
Pulsifer v. United States
What does “and” REALLY mean? If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artw
Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Delgado
The fourth amendment protects against unlawful searches and seizures…unless, of course, the search is just a friendly survey from your local armed immigration officer! If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projec
2026 Mailbag: Is Any Of This Legal? [TEASER]
5-4 answers your questions about whether ICE agents can be prosecuted, why it’s worth knowing your rights, if the president can cancel the midterms and…whether there’s revolutionary potential in tax evasion. As always, this is not legal advice™. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community,
The Rise and Fall of the Voting Rights Act, Part II
How the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was dismantled. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Pe
The Rise and Fall of the Voting Rights Act, Part I
The history of why we needed (and still need) the Voting Rights Act of 1965. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.]5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Andrew Parsons with help from Alli Rodgers and Zachary Cl
The 2025 5-4 Giving Guide: Don’t Let the Fascists Keep You Down
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Movie Review: Average Joe [TEASER]
A movie about a dipshit who prays his way to the Supreme Court. It’s worse than you imagine.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at www.patreon.com/fivefourpod.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Andrew Parsons. Leon Neyfakh provides e
Trump v. Orr
Trans erasure. Anti-intellectualism. Culture war. Moral panic. These are a few of the Supreme Court’s favorite things!If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.]5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Andrew Parsons.
Fire at Will: Trump’s Illegal War in the Caribbean [TEASER]
These days, three degrees of separation from a drug dealer is all it takes to get you drone struck by the U.S. government in Venezuela. And look, maybe these extrajudicial killings aren’t exactly legal, but the bigger problem for all you sissy justice lovers out there is that this administration doesn’t care about the law. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episod
Department of Homeland Security v. Thuraissigiam
*** An earlier version of this episode incorrectly referred to the asylum officers who conduct credible fear interviews as border patrol agents. ***If the government is acting all authoritarian-y, detaining you in violation of your rights, there’s a basic assumption in the Constitution that you can use “The Great Writ” of habeas corpus to challenge that unlawful behavior. But Samuel Alito would li
“What’s at Stake is Everything”: The Last Columbia Protester in ICE Detention
You've heard about all the Supreme Court cases about how immigration law is different, about how ICE's powers are different, about how the Trump administration can do whatever it wants…on this episode, Rhiannon talks to Leqaa Kordia's lawyers about what all this means for a Palestinian woman in ICE detention right now. The good news is: our liberation is interconnected, and we can figh
Garcetti v. Ceballos
The Supreme Court tramples upon your most sacred right: the right to complain about your co-workers.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh provide
Panic! In The Federal Judiciary [TEASER]
You know things are really bad when federal judges–historically an extremely reticent group–are sounding the alarm about the chaos and confusion the Supreme Court is reaping these days. Never fear, Amy Coney Barrett is here to remind all of us that everything is fine, because the shadow docket is not a big deal, originalism is fun and interesting, and she's a real human mother.If you're no
Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Lopez-Mendoza
I think we can all agree that the Constitution guarantees every individual certain unalienable rights–oh wait, sorry, getting a call. Right. Sorry. Okay. Yea. Got it. Hey, so I think we can all agree that immigration law is different from other laws, and the Constitution doesn’t really apply there.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
On this episode of Popular Cradle, (Rhiannon’s other podcast!), she interviews Columbia grad student Mahmoud Khalil, who was detained by ICE for more than 100 days earlier this year. You can find Popular Cradle wherever you listen to podcasts.Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile and use my code mintmobile.com/fivefour for a great deal: https://www.mintmobile.com* Check out Quince and use my code F
Department of State v. AIDS Vaccine Advocacy Coalition
Feels like we should be able to collectively wrestle with the problems of a system by which 14 million people will die in the next five years because one man can decide to withhold a bunch of money that Congress said needed to be spent, but unfortunately, because of the law, and what the law says, no one can sue about it. Good luck with figuring this one out.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member,
Free Speech, Chilled to Perfection [TEASER]
Do you ever feel…like a plastic bag, drifting through the wind, wanting to start again? That’s understandable because battles over free speech and the First Amendment are raging right now, whether on the internet, on TV, in the workplace, or in the streets. But baby, you’re a firework. And the Trump administration can’t take that from you.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hear
2025-2026 Supreme Court Term Preview
You are getting very sleepy…you are getting very sleepy…HEY! Wake up. It may look like the slate of cases for this Supreme Court term doesn't have many fundamental constitutional rights hanging in the balance, but don’t be lulled into thinking any of this is low stakes. Voting rights, trans people in sports, the death penalty—they’re still on that legal fascism grind, down to every little gear
Noem v. Vasquez Perdomo
Papers, please. The hallmark of fascist states of eras past and your favorite movie about authoritarianism is now also the official policy of the United States, with the Supreme Court’s blessing. But don’t worry, you (probably) won’t be stopped, unless you kinda look Hispanic or shop at Home Depot! I feel safer already.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! T
Welcome to Law School 2025
Kudos to everyone who is starting law school in this economy and during an authoritarian regime. In this annual episode, Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael share their wisdom on how to survive law school. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4
Step Your Pussy Up Under Fascism [TEASER]
It's okay to be scared. It's hard not to succumb to the nihilism of the second Trump administration. But that is precisely what he and his administration want you to do. Please don't fall for it. Instead, own your power, make them fear you, and for God's sake, STEP YOUR PUSSY UP! If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Pr
Medina v. Planned Parenthood South Atlantic
Federal law says that Medicaid recipients have the right to choose their healthcare provider. One problem, though–what if a Medicaid recipient chooses to go to Planned Parenthood to get healthcare? In that case, federal law doesn’t really say what it means. Federal law is silly like that sometimes!If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other
McMahon v. New York
Don't be sad, little Johnny, Trump just took the Department of Education to live on a big farm with so much space to run around and play in, and all the treats the Department of Education could ever dream of. The Department of Education will miss you, too, Johnny, but we promise she's so much happier now. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear
Trump Brings the War Home [UNLOCKED]
California has become a testing ground for Trump's police state ambitions. In Los Angeles and across the country, he’s merging the military and the police into one entity, with its guns aimed inward.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.
Free Speech Coalition, Inc. v. Paxton
Please have your driver's license, social security card, or any other highly personal private information ready to share if you wish to rub one out to online porn. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Proje
Mahmoud v. Taylor
Because the conservatives on the Supreme Court are lowkey homophobic, they have made it easier for parents of kids in public schools to opt out of topics that make them uncomfortable. LGBTQ books, no thank you— evolution, not for my kids.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and mor
Portrait of a John Roberts on Fire [TEASER]
These “boys” and in some cases “gals” keep proving us right! The 2024-2025 Supreme Court term was a beautiful illustration of this podcast’s entire thesis: this is an institution untethered by law, beholden only to right-wing ideology, and led by a real dipshit Chief Justice.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes,
Trump v. CASA, Inc.
CTRL+F for “birthright citizenship” in this majority opinion, and you only get two hits. That’s because Amy Coney Barrett spends thousands of words telling you that the President's evisceration of birthright citizenship from the Constitution isn’t really about birthright citizenship, it’s about nationwide injunctions. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episod
United States v. Skrmetti
The Supreme Court has made life more difficult for trans children, who are already among the most marginalized groups in the country.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Du
The DOGE Cases
The Supreme Court allowed the 20-somethings at DOGE to access your Social Security information. What's the worst that could happen?If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by
Trump v. Wilcox
The Supreme Court just made it easier for Trump to fire heads of independent federal agencies. Unitary executive theory, anyone?If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin
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Copaganda with Alec Karakatsanis [TEASER]
Crime rates are at historic lows, yet year after year, people say that they feel unsafe and believe crime is rising. You can thank the news media with help from corporations and law enforcement narratives. We speak with civil rights lawyer Alec Karakatsanis about his new book, Copaganda: How Police and the Media Manipulate Our News.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing eve
Jones v. North Carolina Prisoners' Labor Union
If the Supreme Court can take away constitutional rights from one minority group, it can do it to any of us. Yes, even podcasters. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dust
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No Due Process, Yes Jumbo Plane [TEASER]
Since taking office, Trump has moved quickly to implement his authoritarian agenda. Now, he is asking the Supreme Court to limit the judicial branch by preventing individual judges from blocking his orders.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/suppo
Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier
The Supreme Court has been stripping away students' free speech rights for decades. They don't want you to think for yourself or speak your mind. You might end up making podcasts like this.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode and also lame! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/
United States v. Zubaydah
Following the 9/11 attacks, both liberal and conservative justices contributed to the rise of some authoritarian powers that the Trump administration is now wielding today.ERRATA: Henry Blodget is no longer the CEO of Business Insider. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more
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Movie Review: The Firm [TEASER]
The Firm, the legal thriller starring Tom Cruise, shows us that big law is sometimes worse than the literal mob.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Ney
Introducing... Fiasco: Iran-Contra
New from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries: it's a new edition of Fiasco: Iran-Contra, widely available for the first time ever. New episodes of Fiasco release Mondays, available wherever you get your podcasts. Pushkin+ subscribers can listen to the full season of Iran-Contra, ad-free, now. Find Pushkin+ on the Fiasco show page in Apple Podcasts or at Pushkin.fm/plus. Hosted on Acast.
Trump v. J.G.G.
The Supreme Court under Trump 2.0 is engaging in their favorite pastime: finding convoluted procedural reasons to rule in his favor.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dus
Department of State v. Muñoz
Finally, the Supreme Court gets to live its dream: being xenophobic and homophobic at the same time.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh provide
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Authoritarian Creep(s) [TEASER]
The Trump administration has moved at breakneck speed to suppress free speech, mass deport hundreds of individuals without due process, and target judges who dare cross him – moves straight out of an authoritarian playbook.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at five
Mobile v. Bolden
While a law may have discriminatory or racist effects—such as diluting the Black vote in a city and rendering those votes essentially meaningless—this does not necessarily mean it was created with malicious intentions. The Supreme Court says that we should assume good faith and not presume that some laws are enacted with racist motives... Sure...If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're n
San Francisco v. EPA
How much poop is in our water? The Supreme Court says “not enough.” If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Dustin DeSoto. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our researc
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The Powell Memo [TEASER]
Before he was ever a Supreme Court justice, Lewis Powell was an enterprising corporate attorney representing tobacco companies and calling on CEO’s to get off their asses and flood American politics with money.If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/s
McCutcheon v. FEC
Presidential candidates raised more than $1.6 billion in the 2024 election cycle, but if you think flooding politics with money is bad then you don’t understand FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Thanks to this Supreme Court decision, that pesky problem of an individual donor not being able to give more than $117,000 to political campaigns because of stupid campaign finance laws has now been solved.If you're
NIFLA v. Becerra
Crisis pregnancy centers can provide misinformation about healthcare and perform medical procedures without requiring a licensed doctor. Yes, all of that is legal, thanks to the Supreme Court. If you're not a 5-4 Premium member, you're not hearing every episode! To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack community, and more, join at fivefourpod.com/support.5-4 is pr
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Your Trump 2.0 Questions, Answered [UNLOCKED]
This episode was available early to Premium members. If you'd like that kind of perk, consider joining at fivefourpod.com/support.What do you do if ICE comes to your door? How will Trump enforce his anti-trans orders? Are there risks to podcasting in the age of Trump? You asked some really dark questions, and we have answers.To hear this and other Premium-only episodes, access to our Slack com
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