Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits is a show about markets, life, and investing. Hosts Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss what they're reading, writing, listening to, and watching. New episodes are released every Wednesday morning.
Episodes
The Teflon Economy (EP. 468)
On episode 468 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: NBA Finals ticket prices, AI's lack of impact on the labor market, one day of carnage in the stock market, prices drive the narrative, the Mag 7 is underperforming, tech is
Talk Your Book: Diversification in Private Assets
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Danielle Singer from Invesco and Ben Linder from LGT Capital Par
The Biggest Short Squeeze of All-Time (EP. 467)
On episode 467 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: peak FOMO, chip stocks going nuclear, 1990s stock market flashbacks, trillion dollar IPOs, the AI trade is global, the bear case, a tale of two bull markets, bad luck in the rea
Talk Your Book: Why Rising Rates Won't Hurt You Anymore
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Ben Barber from Franklin Templeton to discuss: investing in municipal bonds, how to think abou
A Fire Alarm For Interest Rates (EP. 466)
On episode 466 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: the SpaceX IPO, index fund bag holders, the pros and cons of rising bond yields, the markets got the war right, how consumer sentiment broke, the Bezos tax plan, AI optimism, di
Talk Your Book: Investing in the Rise of the Robots
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Derek Yan from KraneShares to discuss: the investment opportunity in humanoid robots, how far away we
The Fat Pitch For Bears (EP. 465)
On episode 465 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: what can stop the stock market, Nvidia is too big, the boy who cried wolf predictions, market timing reminders, Michael Burry crash calls, AI portfolio strategies, AI is the new Net
Talk Your Book: Is the Nasdaq 100 in Another Bubble?
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Mark Marex from Nasdaq to discuss: the differences between now and the dot-com bubble, the fundamentals of the
This Won't End Well (EP. 464)
On episode 464 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: Ben's new book Risk & Reward, an epic melt-up in the stock market, semiconductor stocks going berserk, why this isn't a bubble (yet), South Korean stocks, AI portfolios & advisors, why
Talk Your Book: Investing in Securitization
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Mike Laughlin from Janus Henderson Investors to discuss: how securitization works, investing in CLOs, the size
The Stock Market Is Doing Something We’ve Never Seen Before (EP. 463)
On episode 463 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: Paul Tudor Jones on market valuations, how many people own stocks, mind-boggling numbers from the hyperscalers, a lost decade for bonds, why higher gas prices sting, some macro prediction r
Talk Your Book: Animal Spirits Live with F/m Investments
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Alex Morris from F/m Investments for a live show recorded in Washington D.C. that covers inflation, the Fed, AI, t
Paycheck-To-Paycheck on $500,000? (EP. 462)
On episode 462 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: how AI will impact wealth management, a stock market boom for the ages, why the Fed never created a financial crisis, an ode to Tim Cook, the world's biggest ETF, ridiculous car payments, A
Talk Your Book: Consternation About Concentration
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by State Street's Michael Arone to discuss: the origin story of SPY, what's driving ETF adoption, geopolitics vs. AI, pote
Investing Isn't Supposed to Be Fun
On episode 461 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: why the stock market feels like it makes no sense, stocks are the smart money, the speed of market moves, an epic bull market run, a new inflation regime, Hyperliquid, what Austin got right
Talk Your Book: Juicing Your Returns
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Matt Kaufman from Calamos to discuss: how autocallable ETFs work, the structured products boom and a new way to target
Everyone Back in the Boat (EP. 460)
On episode 460 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: Tax Day, the benefits of writing, energy vs. tech, a confusing labor market, a rite of passage for younger generations, millennials vs. boomers, AI uncertainty, Bitcoin vs. software stocks, the dow
Talk Your Book: The Biggest Active ETF
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by J.P. Morgan's Hamilton Reiner to discuss: creating income via options and how covered call strategies work.
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$1 Million is the Worst Amount of Money (EP. 459)
On episode 459 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: he psychology of stock market losses, the Mag 7 impact on returns this year, value is beating growth, the upper middle class is growing, why rich people don't feel rich, the impact of higher gas prices
Talk Your Book: Income and Momentum
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson have two guests. First up is Bill Mann from Motley Fool Asset Management to talk about the momentum factor. Next is Kevin Lynyak from Mor
Home Buyer's Remorse (EP. 458)
On episode 458 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: recession fears, the stock market is bad at recession predictions, why this is an orderly sell-off, earnings are still rising, stocks rarely finish the year down, there are so many rich people, wealth ineq
Talk Your Book: Navigating Fixed Income in a Crazy World
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Invesco's Stephanie Larosiliere to discuss: how to diversify your bonds, AI's impact on the economy, hedging higher inflation a
The Best Stocks in History (EP. 457)
On episode 457 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: how markets are controlling the war, the cost of higher energy prices, why the stock market isn't falling more, why the Fed shouldn't raise rates, the Forrest Gump market, why gold is down 20%, the not-so-K-sh
Talk Your Book: What's the Latest in Crypto?
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Krista Lynch from Grayscale to discuss: crypto legislation, stablecoins, ETFs, in-kind creations and more.
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The Perfect Price of Oil (EP. 456)
On episode 456 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: why oil prices aren't higher, complacency in the markets, energy stocks, oil as the new meme stock, geopolitical events vs. the stock market, why AI isn't a bubble, bitcoin isn't dead yet, housing affordability is
Talk Your Book: After-Tax Alpha
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Erkko Etula, CEO and Chief Investment Officer of Brooklyn Investment Group, to discuss tax advantaged long/short SMAs.
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Will AI Displace Financial Advisors? (EP. 455)
On episode 455 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are live from Future Proof Citywide in Miami talking with Michael Kitces and Phil Huber about the wealth management business in the age of AI, the private credit crisis of confidence and a very special Animal Spirits roast.
Talk Your Book: What's Working in the Stock Market?
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Franklin Templeton's Chris Galipeau to discuss: a broadening out of stock market leadership, what's working, what's not working, how AI is
A Wave of Redemptions (EP. 454)
On episode 454 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the geopolitical impact on markets, inflationary risk, when risk goes off, concentration risk, AI vs. white collar workers, the optimistic case for AI, falling and rising bond yields, inheriting a house from your paren
Talk Your Book: The Bull Market in Real Assets
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by David Schassler from VanEck to discuss: the case for owning real assets, the gold bull market, how AI is fueling the demand for energy and mate
Everyone Hates AI (EP. 453)
On episode 453 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the AI doom scenarios, the value of human relationships in a digital world, housing as an AI hedge, the AI backlash, a very weird stock market, the global bull market, consumers keep spending money, Bitcoin is a softwa
Talk Your Book: Investing in Next Gen Tech Stocks
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Paul Schroeder from Invesco to discuss: the Invesco NASDAQ Next Gen 100 ETF, the broadening out of market leadership this year, where investor
Is AI a Mistake? (EP. 452)
On episode 452 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the software apocalypse, stock market blow-ups, AI fear-mongering, how AI will impact your job, in defense of SaaS, the ex-US trade is working, a bull market in Japan, Gen Z loves the stock market, prediction markets, a ta
Talk Your Book: Why Commodities Are Working
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Greg Sharenow from PIMCO to discuss: the boom in real assets, the role of momentum in trading commodities, how to gain exposure to real assets and more.
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What Would You Do With $3 Million? (EP. 451)
On episode 451 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss how the bull market is changing shape, software stocks getting slaughtered, it's finally a stock picker's market, Anthropic changed the AI narrative, ex-Mag 7 is finally working, the case for emerging markets, the crypto blood
Talk Your Book: The 3 A's of the U.S. Economy
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Bill Mann, Chief Investment Strategist at Motley Fool Asset Management to discuss: asset prices, artificial intelligence, affluent consumers and what it all means
Gold's 1987 Moment (EP. 450)
On episode 450 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the never-ending news cycle, the gold/silver crash, how the Internet changed markets forever, the commodities supercycle, emerging markets are on fire, the new Fed chair, the chart of the century, crypto feels dead again, the gove
Talk Your Book: Investing in a Concentrated Stock Market
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Matthew Bartolini from State Street Investment Management to discuss: stock market concentration, the S&P 493 vs. the Mag 7, dividends vs. share buybacks and more.
Hi-Yo Silver! (EP. 449)
On episode 449 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss snow days, government debt vs. household debt, the wealth effect, diversification is working again in 2026, stocks vs. earnings, Jeremy Grantham, the dollar is falling, Silver is the new meme stock, gold is crushing bitcoin, housing m
Talk Your Book: How to Fix the Plumbing of the Financial System
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Ryan Lovell from Chainlink to discuss: how blockchains and defi can make the financial markets less costly, more efficient and a better experience for the users.
Small Caps Are Back (EP. 448)
On episode 448 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss geopolitical risk in the markets, rising bond yields, why small caps are breaking out, running the economy hot, household balance sheets are in good shape, the end of money, the great real estate wealth transfer, the bottom 50% wealth gai
Talk Your Book: Structured Notes in an ETF
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Jeff Schwarte from Simplify ETFs to discuss: barrier options, how structured products work in an ETF, creating regular income and how equity income funds can fit into
Is the Stock Market Invincible? (EP. 447)
On episode 447 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss Jerome Powell, credit card rates, the institutional ownership of homes, lowering mortgage rates, how to fix the housing market, AI vs. the labor market, the broadening out of the bull market, the growth in sports gambling, where housing i
Talk Your Book: The Bull Case for China With Brendan Ahern
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Brendan Ahern from KraneShares to discuss: the differences between China and the United States, the state of Chinese Internet stocks and more.
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Tax the Billionaires (EP. 446)
On episode 446 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss 2026 predictions, the risk of a bear market, why valuations should be higher, why international stocks outperformed, recession risk in 2026, AI hallucinations, self-driving cars, Disney stock, where to find cheaper housing, an appreciatio
The Best Performing Stocks of 2025 (EP. 445)
On episode 445 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the best and worst S&P 500 stocks this year, 2025 investing lessons, why silver is going vertical, international small caps are crushing it, family offices are booming, sentiment is still broken, over-optimization is a problem, how millen
Talk Your Book: Teucrium's Sal Gilbertie on Commodities & Crypto
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Sal Gilbertie from Teucrium to discuss: why oil prices are falling, how agricultural commodities work, why farmers need bailouts, why crypto is a commodity and more.
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The Biggest Risk in 2026 (EP. 444)
On episode 444 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss what a normal year in the stock market looks like, time traveling through drawdowns, the case for small/mid cap stocks, how many stocks double each year, record cash balances, the economy keeps growing, financial nihilism, gambling, illiquidi
Talk Your Book: A Tactical Strategy That Actually Works
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Dan Russo from Potomac Fund Management to discuss: the bear market in diversification, trend-following, quantitative tactical asset management and more.
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All-Time Highs Should Feel Better Than This
On episode 443 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: the stock market rally is broadening out, no one wants an AI bubble, the return outlook for 2026, Howard Marks on how to invest today, hedging an AI bubble, concentration risk, financial markets don't care about labor markets yet, the worst
Talk Your Book: The Anti-AI Portfolio
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by John Neff, portfolio manager and CIO at Akre Capital Management to discuss: the firm's concentrated stock portfolio, how to hold stocks for the long-run, beating the S&P 500 and m
Netflix vs. Paramount (EP. 442)
On episode 442 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss huge losses in the Nasdaq 100, 2026 outlooks, OpenAI, 401k millionaires, consumer spending vs. a slowing labor market, money without meaning, price cuts on housing are accelerating, baby boomer riches, Netflix and Paramount vie for Warner Brother
Talk Your Book: Investing in Real Estate Credit
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Charlie Rose from Invesco to discuss: investing in private real estate, credit in real estate as an asset class, the different types of real estate investments and more.
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The Age of Discontentment (EP. 441)
On episode 441 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss why boring plain vanilla portfolios are hard to beat, predicting the 2026 stock market, Robinhood is Netflix, teens investing in stocks, all-time highs in rich people, the case against an AI crash, the crypto crash, how expensive housing is changing
Talk Your Book: The Psychology of Income
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Troy Cates, Co-Founder, Managing Partner at NEOS Investments to discuss: options-based income ETFs, why investors love yield so much, how to hedge using options and more.
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Talk Your Book: The State of the Housing Market
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Logan Mohtashami to talk about first-time homebuyers, how to fix the housing market, housing myths, how often housing prices fall and much more.
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Wait, Are We in a Recession??? (EP. 440)
On episode 440 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss stocks moving on no news, reasons today's market is not like the 90s, the Fed needs to cut, Google's breakout, thoughts on Disney, Cembalest's favorite movies, and much more.
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Talk Your Book: Staking Your Crypto For Yield
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Krista Lynch, Senior Vice President, ETF Capital Markets at Grayscale to discuss: the crypto ETF landscape, how staking works, what's coming next in this space and much more.
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Is the AI Trade Over? (EP. 439)
On episode 439 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss: the Degen Dow pain trade, the lack of euphoria, AI skepticism, long bear markets, Michael Burry's crash calls, the great stuff transfer, the Bitcoin crash, first-time homebuyers, Blue Owl and much more.
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Talk Your Book: Will the Bubble Get Bigger?
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Michael Arone, Chief Investment Strategist and Managing Director at State Street Investment Management to discuss: government spending, bailouts, S&P 500®, stock market concentration, the AI
Animal Spirits Take Las Vegas
On this episode of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson keynote the financial planning association’s annual event.
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Is a 50 Year Mortgage a Good Idea? (EP. 438)
On episode 438 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the problem with the K-shaped economy narrative, are young people screwed, the benefits of bubbles, the rate cutting cycle, OpenAI, Las Vegas, how to fix the housing market, restaurant stocks are getting killed, the degen economy and more.
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Talk Your Book: Public & Private Opportunities in AI
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Jonathan Shelon, Chief Operating Officer at KraneShares to discuss: the AI opportunity set, how to invest in private companies in an ETF, the differences between now and the dot-com bubble and th
Talk Your Book: The Two Biggest Stories of the Year: AI & Tariffs
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Ara Kharazian, Economist at Ramp to discuss: how companies run their finances, trends in artificial intelligence usage and why tariffs are so confusing.
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Never Go All in on Stocks (EP. 437)
On episode 437 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss bad breadth, a historical melt-up in tech stocks, the case against an AI bubble, sequence of return risk, the economy that's better for parents than their grown-up kids, demographic warfare, why tariffs are so confusing, the data center buildout, AI chart c
Talk Your Book: Emerging Markets Are Back
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Rahul Sharma, Portfolio Manager at Schafer Cullen Capital Management to discuss: China, the falling dollar, why emerging markets are outperforming and the firm's dividend-focused strategy.
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Talk Your Book: Money and Marriage
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Doug and Heather Boneparth to talk about their new book, Money Together.
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Never Pay Off Your Mortgage (EP. 436)
On episode 436 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss how behavior drives bull markets, how many companies outperform the S&P 500, bubble predictions, 5x ETFs, $20 lunches, surviving the AI capex boom, we need lower housing prices, why private credit is an easy sale to make, Halloween decorations and more.
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Talk Your Book: JP Morgan's Long-Term Capital Market Assumptions
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Gabby Santos, Chief Market Strategist for the Americas at JP Morgan to discuss the 30th annual edition of the firm's capital market assumptions report that covers stock returns, bond yields, inflation, G
Talk Your Book: How to Spend With Morgan Housel
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Morgan Housel, author of “The Art of Spending Money,” to discuss: Lambos, tipping, travel, spending your money with a purpose and his new book.
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The Zero Dollar Club (EP. 435)
On episode 435 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss AI bubble indicators, what Jesse Livermore would think about this market, the pros and cons of owning gold, chart crimes, why the financial media is so negative, 5x leveraged ETFs, heavily shorted stocks are outperforming, will Bitcoin hit $200k by 2027, consum
Talk Your Book: Value + Momentum: The Best of Both Factors
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Lance Humphrey, head of portfolio management with the VictoryShares and Solutions team at Victory Capital to discuss: the firm's VictoryShares Value Momentum suite of ETFs, how to invest in both value and moment
Talk Your Book: Investing in Start-Up Equity
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Dave Thornton from Vested to discuss: abandoned start-up shares, diversification in venture capital, helping start-up employees and the complications involved with exercising options.
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Did the Market Just Top? (EP. 434)
On episode 434 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss why it's so difficult to call the top, why earnings matter so much, we were due for a correction, valuations aren't that crazy, good news for low income Americans, how the housing market is impacting the stock market, why Gold is rocketing higher, the cash on th
Talk Your Book: How Infrastructure Funds Work
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Scott Litman, Managing Director and Portfolio Manager at GCM Grosvenor to discuss: investing in data centers, airports, other types of infrastructure assets, and more.
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It Feels Like 1999 (EP. 433)
On episode 433 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the melt-up phase of the AI boom, there is a bubble in bubble predictions, no one is going to call the top, hyperscalers vs. the labor market, international stocks are outperforming, Taylor Swift, junk stocks, the top 1% vs. the bottom 90% and more.
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Talk Your Book: Investing in Public and Private Credit
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Jason Duko, Executive Vice President and Portfolio Manager at PIMCO to discuss: PIMCO's outlook on the fixed income markets, their best ideas, how to think about the 60/40 portfolio and more.
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Why Retail is Outperforming (EP. 432)
On episode 432 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss the thing that matters most to for the stock market, why AI is a bubble, inequality in the stock market, emerging markets are finally outperforming, why investor behavior has improved, economic growth remains strong, rich people are powering the economy, the privat
Talk Your Book: Investing in the All Weather Strategy
On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson are joined by Matt Bartolini from State Street Investment Management and Chris Ward from Bridgewater Associates to discuss: the SPDR Bridgewater All Weather ETF, the strategy's origins, how it works, the fees involved and much more.
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A Mania Is Brewing (EP. 431)
On episode 431 of Animal Spirits, Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson discuss bubble behavior from tech CEOs, the AI inflection point, S&P 10,000, panic selling, $7.7 trillion in money markets, the two-speed economy, most IPOs are terrible investments, how to bring down mortgage rates, the demographic housing battle, youth sports and more.
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