Counseling Talk — A podcast by 9Marks
A podcast by 9Marks, featuring Garrett Kell, Hayley Satrom, and Deepak Reju, discussing topics related to biblical counseling. The show aims to equip Christians with practical wisdom for counseling others and applying Scripture to everyday struggles.
Episodes
On How to Use Homework Part 2 (Ep. 48)
Deepak, Hayley and Garrett talk about using Scripture as homework.Resources Mentioned:31-Day Devotionals for Life (Series)Workbooks and resources from Christian Counseling & Educational Foundation
On How to Use Homework Part 1 (Ep. 47)
Deepak, Hayley and Garrett talk about the importance of homework and how and when to assign it in counseling. Sounds boring but it’s more important than you might realize!Resources MentionedGood and Angry by David Powlison
On Sexual Sin with Ellen Dykas (Ep. 46)
Garrett, Deepak and Hayley interview Ellen on a woman’s battle with sexual sin.Resources MentionedSexual Sanity for Women by Ellen DykasSex and the Single Girl by Ellen DykasYour Dating Relationship and Your Sexual Past by Ellen DykasWhat’s Wrong with a Little Porn? (single version) – Harvest USAWhat’s Wrong with a Little Porn? (married version) – Harvest USAHarvest USA
On Helping Singles Fight for Purity (Ep. 45)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak offer ten thoughts for singles on why and how to fight for purity.Resources Mentioned:Pure in Heart: Sexual Sin and the Promises of God by Garrett KellPornography: Fighting for Purity by Deepack Reju Single and Lonely: Finding the Intimacy You Desire by Jayne ClarkStruggling Through Singleness: Help for the Journey by Jane Clark
On Medications (Ep. 44)
Deepak, Hayley, and Garrett talk about the good and bad about medications and working with doctors.Resources MentionedDescriptions and Prescriptions by Michael EmletListening to Prozac…and to the Scriptures Article by Michael EmletCan We Be Positive About Psychiatric Medications? Article by Ed WelchWhy do we seem negative about psychiatric medications? Article by Ed Welch
Ed Welch on Depression (Ep. 43)
Deepak, Hayley and Garrett interview counselor and author Ed Welch about the experience of depression and how to minister to those who suffer from it.
Depression Part 3 (Ep. 42)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak share how to care for a friend struggling with depression.Resources MentionedDepression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed Welch (31-day Devotional)Depression: Looking Up from the Stubborn Darkness by Ed Welch“Tortured, Imperfect, and Held by Jesus” – article by Garrett Kell
Depression Part 2 (Ep. 41)
Hayley, Deepak and Garrett talk about depression and how to think about depression as complicated suffering.Resources MentionedDepression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed Welch (31-day Devotional)Depression: Looking Up from the Stubborn Darkness by Ed Welch“Tortured, Imperfect, and Held by Jesus” – article by Garrett Kell
On Depression Part 1 (Ep. 40)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about what the Bible says about depression. Warning label: This episode also talks about a depressed person’s battle with suicide.Resources MentionedDepression: Finding Christ in the Darkness by Ed WelchSpurgeon’s Sorrows by Zack Eswine
On How to Apologize (Ep. 39)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about how to offer a good or bad apology and why we struggle to apologize.Resources MentionedThe Peacemaker by Ken Sande
On Anger, with Chris Moles (Ep. 38)
Garrett, Deepak and Hayley interview pastor and counselor Chris Moles, who says you can’t bully a bully. You change a person’s anger with kindness, compassion and forgiveness.Resources MentionedUprooting Anger by Robert D. Joneshttps://www.chrismoles.orghttps://www.menofpeace.org
On Anger Part 3 (Ep. 37)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak explore redemptive strategies for dealing with anger problems and growing in faith in Christ.Books MentionedAnger: Calming Your Heart (31-Day Devotional) by Robert D. JonesA Small Book for The Anxious Heart by Edward T. WelchThe Peacemaker by Ken SandeWar of Words by Paul David TrippOther Resources"Moving Toward, Away and Against" Chart (This chart is from the CCEF Marri
On Anger Part 2 (Ep. 36)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak talk about how people change when they're wrestling with anger. What should we believe, say, think and do if we want to overcome our anger. Resources mentioned:The Heart of Anger by Steve Midgley and Christopher AshAngry Children: Understanding and Helping Your Children Regain Control by Mike Emlet (Booklet)
On Anger Part 1 (Ep. 35)
Garrett, Deepak and Hayley introduce the topic of anger and reflect on their own struggles and encounters with it. They explore the complexity of anger—how it can be both righteous and sinful, hot and cold. The discussion sets the foundation for upcoming episodes on addressing and counseling anger in a Christ-centered way.Resources mentioned:Good and Angry by David PowlisonControlling Anger (Mini-
On How To Become A Better Listener (Ep. 34)
Deepak, Garrett, and Hayley talk about the good and bad qualities of a listener and how to grow in your skill of listening.
Interview With Abby Wedgeworth (Ep. 33)
Hayley, Garrett and Deepak interview Abby Wedgeworth (author of best-selling book HELD) about how to care for women who have suffered from a miscarriage. Resources Mentioned:Held: 31 Biblical Reflections on God’s Comfort and Care in the Sorrow of Miscarriage by Abby WedgworthOurs: Biblical Comfort for Men Grieving Miscarriage by Eric SchumacherDark Clouds, Deep Mercy: Discovering the Grace of Lam
On Miscarriage and Infertility Part 2 (Ep. 32)
Hayley, Garrett and Deepak offer 5 Do's and 5 Don'ts in coming alongside those who have suffered with infertility or miscarriage.
On Miscarriage and Infertility Part 1 (Ep. 31)
Hayley, Garrett and Deepak consider the painful experiences of infertility and miscarriage, and how the Lord walks with us in our grief.
On What to Do When You're Stuck (Ep. 30)
What do you do when you're feeling stuck in counseling? How do you help someone when it feels like nothing is changing? Hayley, Deepak and Garrett offer eleven suggestions on how to get unstuck!
On Relational Idolatry, with Ellen Dykas (Ep. 29)
Hayley and Deepak talk with Ellen Dykas about the problems of relational idolatry. What can you do when you turn an important relationship into an idol? How can you find satisfaction in Christ rather than a person in your life?31 Day Devotional on Toxic RelationshipSexual Sanity for WomenSex and the Single GirlHarvest USAArticle: Close Friends and Entangled Hearts: Dykas and Powlison.
On Eating Disorders, with The Dunhams (Ep. 28)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak interview the Dunhams about their journey through Krista’s eating disorder. Dave and Krista explain how she let go of control, sorted through all of the unhelpful things she was told, and in the end, centered her life around Christ.
On Eating Disorders Part 3 (Ep. 27)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak explore 12 principles that people struggling with eating disorders should follow, like facing their shame, turning down the outside cultural influences, fighting against perfectionism and pride, addressing ungodly fears, and much more!
On Eating Disorders Part 2 (Ep. 26)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak think about how pastors can care for a member who confesses a battle with an eating disorder. What are the theological, medical and practical considerations? How does the gospel change this dilemma?
On Eating Disorders Part 1 (Ep. 25)
Garrett, Hayley and Deepak think about what the Bible has to say about food and our relationship with food.Related resources:Helping Bulimics by Elyse FitzpatrickHelping Anorexics by Elyse FitzpatrickDisorderly Eating... for the Rest of Us by Elyse Fitzpatrick
On How to End Counseling Sessions (Ep. 24)
The decision to bring the counseling process to a close is sometimes clear, but often not. In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Garrett Kell, and Hayley Satrom talk about how to end counseling sessions.Related resourcesThe Discipleship River by Steve Viars
On Adultery, with Michael Gembola (Ep. 23)
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak, Garrett, and Hayley interview Michael Gembola, the author of After an Affair.Related resources:After an Affair by Michael Gembola
On Adultery Part 3 (Ep. 22)
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Garrett Kell, and Hayley Satrom finish their mini-series on adultery, talking about reconciliation after adultery.Related resources:My Spouse Was Unfaithful: Finding Strength in God's Presence by Robert JonesForgiveness by Garrett KellDisclosing Past Sexual Sin in a Dating Relationship by Garrett KellForgiveness: Reflecting God's Mercy by Hayley Sat
On Adultery Part 2 (Ep. 21)
What should counselors do when adultery comes to light? In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Garrett Kell, and Hayley Satrom continue their mini-series on adultery. Related resources:Restoring Your Broken Marriage: Healing After Adultery by Robert JonesAfter an Affair by Michael Gembola
On Adultery Part 1 (Ep. 20)
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Garrett, Deepak, and Hayley begin a 3-part series on adultery and discuss what the Bible says about adultery.Related resources:Envision the End of Your Sin by Garrett KellHelp! My Spouse Committed Adultery: First Steps for Dealing with Betrayal by Winston SmithSubscribe to our new podcast, A Storm in the Desert.
On How to Ask Questions (Ep. 19)
Counseling Talk is back for season 2!In this episode, Garrett, Deepak, and Hayley discuss how to ask good questions in a counseling session. They share personal stories and practical examples that they have seen over the years.X-ray Questions: Drawing Out the Whys and Wherefores of Human Behavior by David PowlisonThe Pastor and Counseling by Deepak Reju and Jeremy PierreA Do-It-Yourself Marriage R
On Fighting Anxiety, with John Henderson (Ep. 18)
In this final episode of Counseling Talk Season 1, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell interview John Henderson on how to fight anxiety.Related resources:Running Scared by Ed WelchWhen I'm Afraid by Ed WelchA Small Book on Anxious Heart by Ed WelchAnxiety: Knowing God's Peace by Paul TautgesJohn Henderson on anxiety at DRBC
On Common Mistakes (Ep. 17)
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Garrett Kell, and Hayley Satrom share common mistakes that counselors make and how to avoid them. Related resources:Is It Abuse? by Darby Strickland
On Anxiety Part 3 (Ep. 16)
How do we fight our anxiety and how we help others fight it?In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell finish the mini-series on anxiety.Related resources:Engaging with God in the Midst of Anxiety by Deepak RejuA Small Book on Anxious Heart by Ed WelchAnxiety: Knowing God's Peace by Paul Tautges
On Anxiety Part 2 (Ep.15)
What does the Bible say about anxiety?Listen to the second episode of a mini-series on anxiety as Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell discuss. Related Resource:Help, I don't know where my anxiety is coming from by Mike Emlet and Winston SmithHope in an Anxious World – Helen ThorneOvercoming Anxiety – David Powlison
On Anxiety Part 1 (Ep. 14)
Anxiety is the spiritual x-ray that God uses to reveal who or what you worship. In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell start the first of three episodes on anxiety.Related resourcesJohn Henderson on anxiety at DRBCEd Welch's Running Scared and When I'm Afraid
On How to Work With Other Counselors (Ep. 13)
Related resources:https://www.heartsongcounseling.org/C4 announcementC4 is a group of like-minded Christian counseling centers across the country that are joining together to foster a spirit of mutual edification and encouragement among its members by providing opportunities for care, consultation, content collaboration, and continuing education. If you’re interested in learning more about C4, vis
On Shame, with Esther Liu (Ep. 12)
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak, Hayley, and Garrett interview Esther Liu about shame and how pastors and counselors can view shame in the light of Scripture and the gospel.Related ResourcesShame Interrupted: How God Lifts the Pain of Worthlessness and Rejection by Ed WelchShame: Being Known and Loved by Esther Liu
On Pornography Part 3 (Ep. 11)
Reconciliation after confessing a struggle of pornography can be difficult. In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell finish up a series on pornography as they lay out principles for godly reconciliation. Resources for Show 3 - Dating and Marriage Rescue Plan and Rescue Skills by Jonathan Holmes and Deepak RejuRedeem Your Marriage: Hope for Husbands Who Have
On Pornography Part 2 (Ep. 10)
What you retreat to for refreshment turns into love. For some Christians, that's pornography. In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell share some of the practical tools that can be useful in helping someone fight this difficult battle. Resources resources31-Day Devotional on Porn by Deepak RejuHide & Seek by John FreemanRescue Skills: Essential Skills fo
On Pornography Part 1 (Ep. 9)
In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell start a mini-series on pornography and how pastors and members can help one another fight the battle.Resources for Show 1 - Porn Overview David Powlison’s book: Making All Things New: Restoring the Joy to the Sexually BrokenDavid Powlison’s article: Sexual Sin - The Wider and the Deeper Battle Garrett’s book Pure in H
On Wayward Children, with Stuart Scott (Ep.8)
Seeing your children to come to faith should be every parent's desire. But what happens when they don't? In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell interview Stuart Scott about his new book, Wayward Children: Finding Peace, Keeping Hope.Related resources:Wayward Children: Finding Peace, Keeping Hope
On Confidentiality (Ep. 7)
Christians expect strict confidentiality when speaking of their own sins. But is that good for them?In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell discuss how to shepherd secrets for gospel purposes.Related resources:Discipling by Mark DeverIs It Loving to Practice Church Discipline? Jonathan LeemanChurch Membership by Jonathan LeemanYou’re a Pastor, Not a Therapi
Special Episode: The Kells' Story Part 2 (Ep. 6)
When members of the church suffer it provides a unique opportunity to show tangible love.In this episode of Counseling Talk, Garrett Kell shares with Deepak Reju and Hayley Satrom practical ways of how God’s people loved his family during their season of suffering.Related Resources: The Kell Story Part 1CaringBridge for Eden KellA Do-It-Yourself Marriage Retreat by Deepak RejuHeart Song Counseling
Special Episode: The Kells' Story Part 1 (Ep. 5)
Pastors are not excluded from suffering. When trials come they uniquely become in need of their own pastoral care.In this episode of Counseling Talk, pastor Garrett Kell shares about trusting God amidst a season of his family’s suffering.Related Resources: CaringBridge for Eden Kell
On Suicide Part 3 (Ep. 4)
How can Christians best assess the seriousness of someone's suicidal feelings? And how should we walk with those left behind after the suicide of a loved one?In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak, Garrett, and Hayley finish a mini-series on suicide.Resources Assessment of Suicide by Deepak Reju Funeral Message for L.J. who committed suicide by Pastor Bob Johnson Evaluating a Person with Suici
On Suicide Part 2 (Ep. 3)
Helping someone with suicidal thoughts can be overwhelming. How should we develop a care plan for someone struggling with on-going suicidal thoughts?In this episode of Counseling Talk, Deepak, Garrett, and Hayley offer practical help about caring for suicidal members.
On Suicide Part 1 (Ep. 2)
The temptation to suicide tricks us that death is better than life. So how should pastors and members help fellow believers who are struggling with suicidal temptations?In this episode, Deepak, Garrett, and Hayley start a 3-part series on the weighty topic of suicide.
On Counseling Talk (Counseling Talk, Ep. 1)
Counseling Talk is here!In this episode, Jonathan Leeman interviews the hosts—Deepak Reju, Hayley Satrom, and Garrett Kell—about the what and why of Counseling Talk.
