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Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

Zack and Josie 71 Episodes Oct 7, 2026

Two Plus Two is a podcast for couples exploring non-monogamy and swinging. Hosts Zack and Josie share their personal experiences and insights on intimacy, communication, and trust. Through honest conversations and guest interviews, they encourage listeners to strengthen their relationships by embracing difficult discussions.

Episodes

Ep 79: Do Women Want It as Much as Men? Gender, Sex & the Lifestyle
Ep 79: Do Women Want It as Much as Men? Gender, Sex & the Lifestyle Oct 7, 2026 01:02:41 Do women really want sex as much as men? Or have men and women been taught to think about sex so differently that we never really question the assumptions behind that question?Zack and Josie take a surprisingly deep dive into the gender-specific messages they received growing up and discover how those messages may still be shaping their experiences in the lifestyle today. Girls are taught that boy
Ep 78: How to Get Your Wife Into Swinging (Without Getting Divorced)
Ep 78: How to Get Your Wife Into Swinging (Without Getting Divorced) Sep 23, 2026 01:06:09 What happens when one partner wants to explore the lifestyle and the other is a “hell no!”? In this entertaining and candid conversation, Zack and Josie are joined by Genie and Dr. G to explore a question that hits close to home for many couples: How do you convince your wife to get into the lifestyle?Presented tongue in cheek, the conversation reveals an underlying truth: You can't convince s
Ep 77: You’re Not Wrong… and Neither Is She: Intimacy and Sex in the Lifestyle
Ep 77: You’re Not Wrong… and Neither Is She: Intimacy and Sex in the Lifestyle Sep 9, 2026 00:50:28 Zack and Josie are on their own again as they tackle a listener’s difficult question about navigating the lifestyle when partners have very different ideas about intimacy, emotions, and what feels comfortable.Only three months into the lifestyle, the listener and his wife have formed a strong four-way connection with another couple. He wants to develop a close, sensual relationship with the other
Ep 76: Naughty N’awlins: Five Days of Play, Pleasure & Pushing the Limits
Ep 76: Naughty N’awlins: Five Days of Play, Pleasure & Pushing the Limits Aug 26, 2026 00:49:08 For the first time, Zack and Josie recorded an episode of Two Plus Two entirely on their own—and they had plenty to talk about. They share the highs and lows of their first Naughty N’awlins experience, an event they had heard only positive things about.In a little nod to their previous conversation about taboo, they stepped well outside their normal routine and had five back-to-back play experienc
Ep 75: Taboo: Exploring the Lifestyle Despite Society’s Rules
Ep 75: Taboo: Exploring the Lifestyle Despite Society’s Rules Aug 12, 2026 01:07:44 Genie and Dr. G join Zack and Josie for their first appearance on the podcast. For more than a decade, they have created lifestyle events designed to give couples—and eventually singles—a safe, discreet and inclusive place to explore their sexuality. Through Genie Wishes, Arizona Fantasy Club and their fastest-growing group, Hot Wife Community, consent and respect are at the heart of everything th
Ep 74: A Unicorn Finds Her Match: Community, Chemistry & Commitment
Ep 74: A Unicorn Finds Her Match: Community, Chemistry & Commitment Jul 29, 2026 01:05:42 Zack and Josie welcome new guests Rick and Gwen for a conversation about their unique journey navigating the lifestyle together. After meeting a little over a year ago, the two began building their connection while exploring how the lifestyle would fit into their relationship.When they met, Gwen was already a unicorn in the lifestyle, while Rick brought extensive experience as a pleasure Dom. Toge
Ep 73: Fairness: Biology, Boundaries & Bullshit
Ep 73: Fairness: Biology, Boundaries & Bullshit Jul 15, 2026 00:58:27 Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a spirited conversation about one of the most debated concepts in the lifestyle: fairness.From honoring commitments and navigating separate play to managing insecurities and expectations, the couples explore how they define fairness within their own relationships—and whether it even belongs in the equation. Along the way, they tackle questions about
Ep 72: Lifestyle Parties: Chemistry, Connection and Rejection
Ep 72: Lifestyle Parties: Chemistry, Connection and Rejection Jul 1, 2026 01:00:05 Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a candid conversation about lifestyle parties, attraction, connection, and the many factors that shape our experiences.The couples explore their different approaches to the lifestyle and how they balance socializing, friendships, sexual chemistry, and play experiences. They discuss the excitement that comes with meeting someone new, the thrill of th
Ep 71: House Party Vibes: Interest, Intentions & Invitations
Ep 71: House Party Vibes: Interest, Intentions & Invitations Jun 17, 2026 01:01:55 Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a candid conversation about a recent lifestyle party they all attended. What started as a discussion about the event quickly evolved into a deeper look at how different couples navigate attraction, communicate interest, and approach new connections.The couples compare their personal styles, discussing everything from subtle signals and direct commun
Ep 70: From Playboy to Playtime: Ed and Sarah’s Accidental Lifestyle Journey
Ep 70: From Playboy to Playtime: Ed and Sarah’s Accidental Lifestyle Journey Jun 3, 2026 00:54:05 Zack and Josie welcome first-time guests Ed and Sarah to the podcast for a fun and unexpectedly relatable lifestyle origin story. What began as a promotional opportunity for Sarah—a former Playboy model—quickly turned into something they never saw coming when they unknowingly arrived at a lifestyle resort.After noticing some unusual interactions between guests, a kind older woman finally pulled th
Ep 69: Erotica: A Gateway Drug to Sexual Liberation
Ep 69: Erotica: A Gateway Drug to Sexual Liberation May 20, 2026 00:59:50 Zack and Josie welcome first-time guests Brad and Jenni for a candid and engaging conversation about how their journey into the lifestyle began. What started as Jenni’s private enjoyment of erotica and audiobooks quietly transformed their connection—sparking a level of intimacy Brad couldn’t quite explain until curiosity led him to ask questions.From there, the couple began listening together, eve
Ep 68: Fantasies: Compersion, Connection, and the Power of Watching
Ep 68: Fantasies: Compersion, Connection, and the Power of Watching May 6, 2026 00:54:23 Drew and Suzie are back for a wide-ranging conversation with Zack and Josie about fantasies—where they come from, how they evolve, and why they don’t always follow logic.Drawing from her experience as an erotica author, Suzie shares how deeply she engages with both her own fantasies and those of others, emphasizing that the most powerful turn-ons often center around connection, comfort, and undeni

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