The Next Token
The Next Token is a technical, conversational podcast from Sunil Pai, Dillon Mulroy, and Rhys Sullivan about the ideas, tools, and weird edges shaping software right now. Expect candid conversations about AI, developer experience, building on the web, open source, infrastructure, and the work behind the work: what they are trying, what is breaking, what is actually useful, and what deserves a second look. Cloudflare sponsors the show, but the conversations are host-led, curious, and independent in spirit.
Episodes
"We've Never Been Wrong on the Internet Before" - Ep 04
Recorded August 7, 2026. We explore AI alignment & safety, Rhys demos his workflow, and we end up mentioning a lot of books. LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER AI ALIGNMENT Wikipedia, AI alignment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_alignment Wikipedia, AI safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_safety "Some Moral and Technical Consequences of Automation," Norbert Wiener https://www.cs.umd.edu/
"I'm Tired of the Uncertainty of Where This Is Going" - Ep 03
Recorded August 3, 2026. We discuss burnout, Claudeisms sneaking into regular speech, chip butties, how to watch movies, and what brings us joy. LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER A VESSEL FOR CLAUDE Rhys "vessel for Claude" tweet - https://x.com/RhysSullivan/status/2072968219741278582 Dolly/zoom shot from "Jaws" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in_mAvHu9E4 /bro https://github.com/backnotprop/b
"I've Never Seen a Model Say 'This File Is Getting Too Big'" - Ep 02
Recorded July 17, 2026. We settle the model-access bet. We talk about how the labs talk to us, plus extend an open invite for OpenAI, Anthropic, SpaceX, and Thinking Machines to come on the show and be specific about their best-case scenarios about how AI makes the world better. Thinking Machines ships an American open-weight model. And then Dillon fires the slop cannon, walking us through his age
"I Want Your Product to Enable My Agent" - Ep 01
Recorded June 30, 2026, 2pm Pacific. Live from AI Engineer World's Fair! Fable is still banned (as of recording time, ahem). Advice: Build for agents. We're still talking about loops, but which loops? And more receipts are demanded. LINKS / ON-SCREEN REFERENCES, IN ORDER IN THE NEWS Model-tiers image (OpenAI forum) https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/openai1/original/4X/f/0/8/f088bfcb17e4f7a8da3d2ba48
"None of My Software Has Gotten Better" - Ep 00
Recorded June 15, 2026. Dillon, Rhys, and Sunil discuss the Fable/Mythos situation and require receipts for bold claims about how AI is changing everything. Follow Dillon Mulroy - @dillon_mulroy / dillonis.online / twitch.tv/dillon Rhys Sullivan - @RhysSullivan / rhys.dev / executor.sh Sunil Pai - @threepointone / sunilpai.dev The Next Token - YouTube / X Topics The Fable/Mythos situation Fee
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