Fork Around And Find Out
Fork Around and Find Out is a podcast for tech professionals, offering a break from on-call duties. Hosts Justin Garrison and Autumn Nash discuss both cutting-edge and legacy practices for building, running, and maintaining software systems. Each episode shares lessons from industry experts' successes and failures, making it educational and entertaining for engineers and IT enthusiasts.
Episodes
Flying through The Atmosphere with Dan Abermov
Come find Justin in-person and get FAFOFM stickers!Tailscale Up - San Francisco, CA - August 26Devopsdays - Portland, OR - September 8-10. Get 20% off tickets with FAFOFMEdgecase - Gooiland Hilversum, NL - September 24Taloscon - Amsterdam, NL - October 15-16KCD UK - Edinburgh - October 19Kubecon NA - Salt Lake City, UT - November 9-12Have an opening? HIRE AUTUMN!!!The AT protocol has a fu
Laughing Through The Pain with David Crawshaw
Some of you might know David as a co-founder of Tailscale. In this episode we're talking about a new kind of cloud he's building at exe.dev. The SSH-only interface is a breath of fresh air compared to the monstrocity that the AWS console has become. We dive deep into why the cloud needs a reset and how integrating AI can be more than just a chat bot.David Crawshaw on Blueskyexe.devexe.dev
Suing The Government with Cindy Cohn
If you've ever heard code is an expression of free speech you have Cindy Cohn to thank. Her decades of work in courtrooms and at the Electronic Frontier Foundation has been keeping Open Source, open and private communications, private. We got to chat about her new book Privacy's Defender and take a look at the future by hearing stories from the past.Privacy's Defender bookCindy's SCaLE ke
Taking Down Prod with Eve
If you're a platform engineer you've had to exit vi at least once. Eve is stuck with it for the rest of her social media life. She's a Sr Platform Engineer and obviously knows a ton about Kubernetes and CI/CD. Enough to make you cry laughing. We got to chat with her about what it's like to be doing s̶y̶s̶a̶d̶m̶i̶n̶ ̶d̶e̶v̶o̶p̶s̶ j̶e̶n̶k̶i̶n̶s̶ d̶e̶p̶l̶o̶y̶m̶e̶n̶t̶ platform engineering wor
Laying the Foundation with Joe Beda
Fork Around and Get EmailSponsor FAFOFM"Everyone is a beginner at one point." Even one of the creators of Kubernetes. If you're listening to this podcast then Joe has had an impact on what you do. He's worked on everything from Internet Explorer 6, Google Cloud Platform, and Kubernetes. You can partially blame him for ActiveX and YAML. He's also one of the kindest people who understand th
Training The Future with Mark Russinovich
Sponsor FAFOFMDon't FAFO with cloud disaster recovery. Do it right with Arpio.Have a podcast you need help with? Reach out to HumblePod.Mark is the CTO of Azure and has decades of experience exploring the internals of systems. As a developer and person responsible for running massive AI infrastructure, Mark has a lot of insights and ideas. We talk about the the end of SaaS, training engin
Developing Measurements with Cat Hicks
SoCal Linux Expo - discount "FAFOF" -https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/Kubecon EU Amsterdam - https://events.linuxfoundation.org/kubecon-cloudnativecon-europe/Linuxfest North West - https://linuxfestnorthwest.org/Newsletter - https://sub.fafo.fm/Dr. Cat Hicks takes a different approach to traditional engineer productivity measurements. Instead of turning engineers into velocity numbers she t
Embracing the Journey with Cassidy Williams
Cassidy Williams was too funny to be a developer so she was banished to the island of misfit devs called DevRel. Along the way she found a passion for memes and dreams and mechanical keyboards. No Oxford commas required. We start 2026 off strong with a few predictions, a medium amount of jokes, and a lot of AI.Subscribe to her hilarious newsletter at cassidoo.co
Objecting to storage
Thank you NoPorts for sponsoringhttps://fafo.fm/noportsIf the Internet is a big computer, Amazon s3 is the hard drive. So what happens when a single typo breaks the Internet's hard drive? On this episode of Fork Around and Find Out we review the s3 outage from 2017. It wasn't that long ago and yet it seems everyone has forgotten.Please leave a reviewApple PodcastsSpotifyPodcast addictPock
Looking Forward with Tim Banks
Sidero and Oxide Kubecon NA event registration: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/oxidesidero-at-kubecon-north-america-2025-tickets-1538869282449Tim Banks will optimize your modem baud rate and kick your ass—respectfully. Then they'll teach you how to be a better person. Their career includes systems, sales, and many other facets of business, but who they are is not defined by what they do for
Staying Calm with Duffie Cooley
Sidero and Oxide Kubecon NA event registration: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/oxidesidero-at-kubecon-north-america-2025-tickets-1538869282449Duffie has lived through a lot. From multiple startup exits to big company changes. He stays grounded by remembering where he came from and what's important—people. This episode is full of career and life advice from one of the kindest people in the i
Colocating Data with David Aronchick
David has worked on a lot of cool tech you know like Kubernetes and Kubeflow, and he's usually a few years ahead of the game. So getting to catch up with him about what he's working on now is probably something you'll want to know about before you have these problems. He has great insights in how to get companies to support open source and how Kubernetes has evolved over time.LinksDavid o
Building Trust with Sean Goedecke
What is it like to ship software in big tech? Sean gives us his experience from multiple companies and what he’s learned. It's probably not what you think. It doesn't matter if you're vibe coding features or bash-ing devops, we all need to remember why we were hired.Links:https://www.seangoedecke.com/how-to-ship/
Cooling Infrastructure with Ellie Ford
https://fafo.fm/storeThis Episode has a full spread of FAFOFM topics. Ellie has a breadth of knowledge across cloud, on-prem, hardware, and—of course—Kubernetes. We dive into some of the new hardware available as well as the importance of hardware to train the next generation of engineers. A full cycle of interests we think you'll love. 🧡Linkshttps://ellie.fmhttps://bsky.app/profile/ellie
Creating YAML with Ingy döt Net
Today's history lesson is about the non-markup language platform engineers love to hate, YAML Ain't Markup Language (YAML). Ingy tells us all about how and why it started, how it evolved over time, and what's happening next with YS. Note: sorry about the audio issues in this episode. We did our best to clean it up.Links:https://helmys.org/https://yamlscript.org/https://exercism.org/https:
Writing bugs with K.S. Bhaskar
It's easy to talk about everything when you've been writing software for half a century. Bhaskar has some amazing insights from his impressive career building software using everything from punch cards to AI. If you like learning about the past to understand the future, this is an episode you don't want to miss.LinksYottaDB https://yottadb.com
MCPing in the Open with Angie Jones
Angie gives us a crash course on Model Context Protocol (MCP) and how you can get started using it with goose. We also talk about other projects Angie's worked on at Block and what drives her to keep learning new things in tech.LinksAngie's website: https://angiejones.techGoose https://github.com/block/gooseAngie's Modern Day Mashups talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZbXq5qu55U
Motivated to Learn with Adriana Villela
After 25 years in tech it’s hard not to coast. Adriana has come from writing word docs for the ops team to deploy software, through Devops, and now has a focus on OTel and Kubernetes. How do we get more people from 100 to 400 levels and why is there no content in between? And why we need junior engineers to make our senior engineers better.LinksBluefin wallpapers https://github.com/ublue-
Recovering from Disaster with Seth Eliot
Disaster recovery is more than automation and infrastructure. There's a lot that goes into your services and some of those things can't be defined as code or automated. When was the last time you restored your database from a backup? How do you use least privileged access when your region changes and how do you even know you're having a disaster. Seth has a lot of experience and a ton of
Building a Datacenter with Jake Cooper
Railway wanted to build a better cloud so they started on Google Cloud and ended up building datacenters. Through the burden of success, they figured out there was a lot of things they had to learn and build themselves if they wanted to offer the best cloud experience they could. Jake tells us how they accomplished the move in 9 months, why the built their own orchestrator, and what they’
Staying Curious with Scott Hanselman
You can't grow in technology without learning new things. But sometimes those new things are actually old things. We talk with Scott about a wide range of interests about software, video games, 3D printing, and food. If you want to know why junior engineers are important for your teams you need to listen.Highlights(0:00) What makes good engineers?(12:00) Vibe coding(19:00) Doom scrolling
Vectorizing Your Databases with Steve Pousty
What exactly is an LLM doing and why do you need to learn so many new terms? Steve Pousty is here to explain that most of those new terms are things you already know. It’s not new technology, it’s new words to describe technologies applied in a new field. We have a wild, ADHD roller coaster looping through embeddings, vectors, RAG, and LLMs. Make sure to keep your hands and arms inside th
Testing Your Performance with Ada Lundhe
How Rachel Ray’s crawler lead to Ada developing a new performance testing framework, hyperscale. This leads to a great conversation about the benefits of rust, modern python package managers, and why MySpace went out of business. The importance of connecting what you’re building to business value and understanding every line of code has a cost.Show Highlights(0:00) Intro(8:00) Rachel Ray
Getting to Know Kafka with Elad Eldor
Is running Kafka on-prem different than running it in the cloud? You’ll find out from Elad Eldor’s years of experience running, tuning, and troubleshooting Kafka in production environments. Elad didn’t set out to learn Kafka, but he kept asking questions and was given the opportunity to dive deep into system performance. He not only knows what all the columns of iostat mean, he knows what
FAFO Live with Sam Rose
Sam is back with us for a live episode where we discuss important questions such as “is coffee is good?”, “are people on the Internet good writers?”, and “is content creation consistency actually important?” We also share links about turning your hand writing into a font and hacking McDonald’s delivery app. Finally, we wrap up with a new game FAANG GANG.Chapters(0:00) Intro(9:00) Codifyin
Animating the Stack with Sam Rose
This episode is stacked with information. You could even say “full stacked.” Sam has built and run some large scale systems as a SRE at Google, now building backend services at Budibase, and he spends his free time teaching others how systems work at understandable scale. We dive into what makes Google SRE different from other companies, what it’s like to be a parent, and how Sam got star
Predicting Bluesky’s Scale with Jaz
Bluesky has been on a roller coaster of growth for over a year. From the early days of figuring out a new distributed social protocol—AT protocol—to actually building it and inviting 30 million of their closest friends. Not only has the site gone through tremendous growth, the team has been optimizing, re-architecting, and adding features the entire time.Jaz is a software engineer focused
Making Smart Infrastructure Decisions with Lauren Long
Today we find out how building a product at Big Tech can be very different than a startup. Lauren Long has done both. Building parts of Firebase and eventually taking the things she learned to build Ampersand. We discuss what Ampersand is and go into detail about what the back end looks like. We even drop some hot takes about serverless and Kubernetes. We think you’ll love it!Show Highlig
FAFO Live with Crystal Preston-Watson
Fork it! We’ll do it live! Well, sort of...In case you missed it last week, we’re running back our FAFO Livestream with Crystal Preston-Watson from this past Friday. Instead of prying into specifics about Crystal’s career, we’re chatting about recent tech news, the dire state of American tech literacy, and WTF WTA stands for!You can expect shows like these on the last Friday of every mont
Making Tech More Accessible with Crystal Preston-Watson
If technology serves everybody, then everyone deserves access to a seat at the table. No one better embodies this sentiment than Crystal Preston-Watson. She’s a Senior Digital Accessibility Analyst with Salesforce, and she brings an unrivaled passion for making tech available for anyone to use.On this episode of FAFO, we’re unpacking why her mission is so vital, and the previous career th
Making the World a More Secure Place with Yasmin Abdi
Data and security breaches are a dime a dozen nowadays, and despite their frequency, they’re still just as dangerous. That’s where Yasmin Abdi, the CEO of noHack, comes in. Despite her relatively short career, she’s already worked for some of the giants of the tech industry like Google and Snapchat. Along with Justin and Autumn, Yasmin breaks down real-world security challenges and soluti
An Oral History of the Kubernetes Revolution with Brian Grant
Kubernetes isn’t just a platform—it’s a revolution. On this episode of Fork Around and Find Out, Justin and Autumn sit down with Kubernetes co-creator Brian Grant to explore the origins of this game-changing technology. From Google’s internal tooling to the cloud-native juggernaut it is today, Brian takes us behind the scenes of Kubernetes’ evolution, including its roots in Borg and the c
Remaining Authentic in Retirement with Kelsey Hightower
Retirement is about the journey, not the destination. For Kelsey Hightower, it’s been an epic journey. On our debut episode of the Fork Around and Find Out Podcast (and much to Autumn’s elation), Kelsey joins us to run down his illustrious career that spans a quarter of a century.Known for authenticity, Kelsey was on the frontlines of Kubernetes advocacy in the tool’s humble beginnings. B
Welcome to Fork Around and Find Out!
Fork Around and Find Out is your downtime from uptime. Your break from the pager, and a chance to learn from expert’s successes and failures. We cover state-of-the-art, legacy practices for building, running, and maintaining software and systems. Be sure to follow us on your favorite podcast player, and stay tuned for weekly episodes! Follow the podcast elsewhere online:Website: https://f
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