With The Perrys
With The Perrys is a podcast hosted by Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry, who bring humor, honesty, and insight into conversations on relationships, theology, politics, race, and parenting. Each episode delivers a lot of truth in a short amount of time.
Episodes
When the Leaders We Love Fail Us
From public scandals to private betrayals that never make the news, experiencing the failure of a leader is both heartbreaking and disorienting. When someone leads a church community or is esteemed as a hero, the fallout of their failure is felt even more.
Lisa Fields joins Jackie and Preston for an honest conversation about leadership betrayal. They discuss what healthy admiration looks like, h
How to be a Christian When Persecuted
Earlier this month, Jackie found herself at the center of a Threads post that generated a whole lot of conversation. It got her and Preston thinking about the opposition we face as Christians because of a worldview that is confusing to unbelievers.
NOTE: For most of us, the persecution we face is social in nature – that’s different from persecution others face around the world when they risk thei
The Lie Shame Tells Us
A stronghold is an untruth that has lodged itself in our brains and keeps out the knowledge of God. Shame can be a stronghold if we are believing something that is literally not the truth – about God, ourselves, or others. So really, shame and the gospel can’t co-exist peacefully. You could even say that shame is anti-gospel.
Jackie and Preston discuss how the gospel – the good news that we are
When You Don't Desire God
We all go through seasons where we have little desire for God. We don’t really want to pray, and reading our Bible doesn’t sound exciting.Being honest about not wanting God isn’t unbelief, but it may uncover areas of our life where we’re believing a lie or not dealing with sin. There are so many things in life that compete for our affections, but God will meet us in our insufficiency and invites u
Let’s Talk About Covetousness
When you hyper-focus on what you think you lack, you aren’t practicing gratitude, and you can become discontent. When you covet what someone else has, you will start to believe that God is withholding something good from you. That means our discontentment is not about our life circumstances but about the state of our hearts.
Melissa Kruger joins the Perrys to talk about a book Jackie stumbled up
Legalism, Sexual Immorality, and Heaven: Listener Q&A
Y’all love a Q&A episode, so the Perrys asked Instagram followers to submit questions to help guide the topics of conversation. Jackie kicks things off with a “storytime” moment about an unforgettable (and not in a great way) evangelism experience, and then they dive into the questions.
How do you deal with insecurity as a man?
Should you only date someone who is spiritually at the same pace a
Discipling Our Kids with the Krugers
The Perrys are joined by Melissa and Mike Kruger to discuss their new book “The Good News Family Devotional: 52 Weeks Through the Gospel of Mark.” Mark is fast-paced and story-centric, which makes it an ideal book to study alongside your kids.
The Kruegers and Perrys discuss navigating discipleship with kids in different stages, helping children move beyond surface-level observation questions, a
Christians, It’s Time to Grow Up
When we’re “born again” as Christ followers, we’re babies, and “growing up” is a choice. But emotions, pride, and an endless buffet of online voices can keep new believers spiritually stuck.
In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss how spiritual maturity isn’t automatic, nor is it a checklist. We become mature by pursuing humility, having discernment about false doctrine, and establishing deep
Mourning, Meekness, and Mercy: Part 2 with Matt Chandler
The second half of the Perrys’ conversation with Matt Chandler is a deeper discussion of the Beatitudes of Matthew 5.
For example, the Bible says, “Blessed are those who mourn,” but what are we to mourn, and how do we mourn well? Matt explains that we mourn our own sin, and we grieve the broken world around us. Comfort is found in the hard work of mourning, and the consequence of not mourning is
Becoming like Jesus with Matt Chandler: Part 1
After more than two decades leading a church – and through his own faith journey, too – Pastor Matt Chandler says confidently that, “Come what may, God is at work.”
In this conversation on sanctification, Matt, Jackie and Preston explore the Beatitudes of Matthew 5, not as a checklist of spiritual goals but a portrait of a person Jesus is creating as we mature in Christ. The Christian life isn’t
For Your Glory: Why and How We Worship with Trip Lee
Trip Lee is an author, teacher, and hip-hop artist who recently released new worship music titled “For Your Glory.” He joins Jackie and Preston for a conversation about worship music, rap music, and the importance of music in our lives as followers of Jesus.
Music plays a major role in spiritual formation – singing truth helps us remember and believe what is true about God. Worship is not just t
Sex, Sexual Trauma, and God’s Design with Dr. Juli Slattery
Sex is a living metaphor. It’s how we experience oneness with the person we’ve committed to be in a covenant relationship with, similar to the relationship between Christ and the church. Dr. Juli Slattery joins the Perrys to discuss the importance of seeing sex as an ongoing journey of intimacy, not just a physical act, requiring emotional vulnerability and communication.
The Perrys’ conversatio
On Leadership, Assignment, and Brokenness with Dr. Crawford Loritts
Dr. Crawford Loritts joins the Perrys for a conversation about leadership and the qualities that make someone worth following.
True leadership is stewardship and sacrifice. Someone’s ability to lead is in direct proportion to their ability to serve. A good leader has conviction, not just knowledge, with wisdom that's the product of experience, not simply exposure to information. And Dr. Loritts t
Infidelity, Broken Legs, and Healthy Marriage: Part Two with the Navarros
TRIGGER WARNING: Suicide is briefly discussed in this episode.
Here’s part two of Jackie and Preston’s conversation with Lymari and Tony Navarro. Last week you heard about Tony’s betrayal, and in this episode they discuss the restoration of their marriage.
Things are incredibly fragile after a spouse’s affair, and the Navarros are honest about that. Lymari says couples need a season of “incubat
Rebuilding a Broken Marriage with Lymari and Tony Navarro
“Our story is a warning to some and a hope to others.”
Three years into their marriage, Lymari Navarro got an anonymous phone call from a woman who said, “Your husband is having an affair.” When confronted, Tony told Lymari he had fallen out of love with her, but she chose grace over the Biblical “right” she had to a divorce.
The enemy attacks marriages because it is the most accurate relati
Everybody Got a Lil Peter in Them
Peter may be one of the most relatable disciples. He’s bold, passionate, sometimes impulsive, and a natural leader, which we read about in Scripture. His story shows how our greatest strengths can become massive stumbling blocks.
From boldly declaring Jesus as the Messiah to denying Him three times, Peter’s life reminds us how quickly we can fall, yet his restoration shows us the heart of God.
The Devil is a Liar: A Conversation on Making War Against Lies with Jennie Allen
There are three core lies we all believe: “I’m worthless, I’m unlovable, and I’m helpless.” These beliefs can grow into strongholds that influence our thoughts and actions over time.
Jennie Allen joins the Perrys to talk about how the enemy often makes lies like these feel rational and normal, and then we agree with the lies without realizing it. We need God’s Word and the truth of the Gospel to
I Believe, But Help My Unbelief
Scripture tells us that the righteous shall live by faith, but what does that actually look like and how can we grow in faith?
In this episode, the Perrys explore how unbelief sits at the root of sin, why spiritual fruit reveals what we truly believe about God, and how maturity in Christ leads to deeper, more specific repentance. Rather than striving for acceptance through good works, faithful ob
Theology for Teens with Alena Franklin
What began as a childlike love for Jesus was tested when Alena Pitts Franklin's mom died suddenly when Alena was just 14 years old. Alena’s grief challenged and deepened her understanding of who God is, revealing what she truly believed about His character.
Alena has written a devotional called “God Is,” designed for teen girls and young women to understand God’s character – infinite, omnipotent,
Stewarding the Body and Fleeing Sexual Sin
Try before you buy? No. An important part of becoming one in marriage is the process of learning one another with each other. Relationships (and sex) take curiosity and communication, and the Perrys talk about how there’s joy in figuring things out together.
Our bodies matter to God. There’s protection in His design for sex to be experienced within the covenant of marriage, and God is grieved an
Real Christian Maturity and How to Have Lasting Fruit with Christine Caine
Today’s guest, Christine Caine, says that one of the greatest testimonies in our generation is a resilient, enduring faith. No matter what is happening around you, you can continue to flourish when you are rooted and grounded in the love of God.
Christine and the Perrys discuss what it looks like to lean into sanctification rather than run from it, what the imagery of the olive tree in Scripture
Diabetes, Sovereignty, and Sickness
With The Perrys is back, and the first conversation of 2026 is all about suffering and God’s sovereignty.
Jackie shares the story of being hospitalized last fall, receiving a life-altering diagnosis of Type 1 Diabetes, and how the adjustment in her health has deepened her dependence on the Lord. Jackie and Preston wrestle with the mystery of why God allows suffering and what it means to trust tha
Getting to Know Aunt CeCe (Winans)
We’ve got a special conversation to wrap up the year before a holiday break. The Perrys are joined by their friend and Gospel-music artist CeCe Winans. CeCe shares how meeting the Lord at a young age shaped both her music and her priorities in life. The love of God has always been her motivator and she strives to please Him in all she does.
From the fear of the Lord helping her navigate the musi
“What’s Love Got to do With it” with Jada Edwards
We all have “love issues.” John 13:35 says that love is to be our identifying mark as Christians – not our wisdom or spiritual gifts or activity – but being a loving person is difficult.
Jada Edwards has a new book out called A New Way to Love Your Neighbor that she wrote out of a season where she struggled to love well. The Lord revealed to her that she couldn’t be the originator of grace for
A Conversation About Anxiety with Blair Linne
Before they were podcasters, the Perrys did spoken-word poetry, and this week’s guest had a profound impact on them as one of the first “viral” Christian poets online.
Blair (Wingo) Linne joins Jackie and Preston to talk about her new book, Made to Tremble: How Anxiety Became the Best Thing That Ever Happened to My Faith. Blair discusses how past traumas – including the sudden death of her infan
Turning the Cheek and Forgiving Offenses with Yana Conner
The Perrys are joined by Yana Conner, a writer and theologian passionate about understanding the character of God. Her new book, Living Beyond Offense, digs into the idea that forgiveness is at the heart of our faith. Why’s that? Because every time we forgive, we put the gospel on display.
Yana shares honestly about writing this book while wrestling with her own relationships. She talks about how
The Grief and Relief of Obedience in Dating
Lean into part two of the Perrys’ conversation with Melody and CD Fabien for even more real talk on dating discipleship. They unpack what healthy boundaries look like – whether you’re dating later in life or after a previous marriage – and share why they believe couples should enjoy long dating seasons and short engagements. CD challenges men to consider what true, Christ-like leadership looks lik
Dating Discipleship 101 with Melody and CD Fabien
Melody and C.D. Fabien made headlines for waiting to kiss until marriage. Now more than a decade later, they're doing "dating discipleship" work with couples who feel confused about the in between, wanting to date intentionally before getting engaged.
In this conversation with the Perrys, the Fabiens discuss what it means to date with godly wisdom, lead with integrity, and pursue purity that las
When Creativity and Humility Meet: A Conversation with Tye Tribbett
Tye Tribbett is a Grammy Award-winning gospel artist who infuses his songs with scripture, teaching listeners about God as he sings. In 1996 he created “Greater Anointing,” a choir of his family and friends, and ever since, he’s been writing Jesus-focused music to start conversations, not condemn.
Tye talks with the Perrys about humility, ambition, and what it means to stay kingdom-focused in an
Discipling Kids in a Sexually Broken World With Laurie and Matt Krieg
Even thinking about engaging in a conversation with kids about sexuality can feel scary, but Laurie and Matt Krieg have a heart to help parents approach the topic without fear.
The Kriegs join Jackie and Preston to discuss moving beyond the shame-filled messages of purity culture – what was a “theology of no” – instead to a theology of goodness and flourishing. They talk about being your child’s
The Art of Stewarding Your 5 Loaves and 2 Fish: A Convo with Dallas and Amanda Jenkins
Dallas and Amanda Jenkins, creators of The Chosen, join the Perrys to talk about how God used one movie’s box-office failure to bring about the now globally popular television series about the life of Jesus.
The Jenkins talk about bringing their “five loaves and two fish” to God, letting Him handle the multiplication, and creating from a place of dependence rather than success. They discuss what
Infertility and Finding God After Unanswered Prayer with Jennifer Lucy Tyler
Every one of us will, at some point in our lives, come to realize that our faith alone can’t produce everything we want, when we want it. It’s hard to trust the Lord when we’re praying prayers that haven’t been answered.
Jennifer Lucy Tyler joins the Perrys to talk about what she’s learned about God’s sovereignty through her journey of infertility. She shares about experiencing the joy of the
Neither Blue Nor Red: Being a Disciple in a Culture War
Social media has been a contentious place after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the public mourning of his death has felt confusing and concerning for many people. How should we as Christ followers respond in such a polarizing time?
In this honest conversation, Jackie and Preston sit down with Justin Giboney, cofounder and president of the AND Campaign, to process through what happens in our hea
Does the Church Need a Rebrand? A Conversation with Dr. Eric Mason
What do you think of when you hear the word ‘church’? There’s confusion and a lack of clarity about what it means to be a church, but today’s guest wants to re-present the fundamentals so that we’re more responsible with our witness.
Dr. Eric Mason is full of wisdom and he’s got a new book out September 30 called Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World. Dr. Mason
Navigating Faith While Playing A Game: A Conversation With BB26 Winner Chelsie Baham
Chelsie Baham is not just the winner of Season 26 of Big Brother – she also loves Jesus and was in full-time ministry up until she joined the game last summer.
In “Big Brother,” sixteen strangers are locked in a house for 90 days with cameras and microphones running 24/7 as they compete for a gigantic sum of money. Jackie has watched “Big Brother” since Season 2, and she loves it because of the
Part 2: Dating After 30, Singleness, and Other Questions Answered
Here’s part 2 of the Perrys’ conversation with Megan Ashley and Ebenezer Endiryas about dating in your 30s.
Jackie, Preston, Megan and Ebenezer left you on a cliffhanger. “Should we be more focused on dating people that we’re in community with?” The group picks up the conversation there, talking about creating environments where someone you’ve met online can be brought into your community. They ta
Part 1: Dating After 30, Singleness, and Other Questions Answered
No one is really talking about what it’s like to be single in your 30s, or after you’re divorced or widowed, but it’s time to have a mature conversation about it. The Perrys are joined by two friends – Ebenezer and Megan – to talk about their separate experiences.
Ebenezer Endiryas is a single pastor who longs to be married one day, and Megan Ashley is a mom of three who was married for 14 years
Let’s Talk Gospel, CCM, and Why it Matters With Erica Cambell
Jackie and Preston are joined on the podcast by Gospel music legend Erica Campbell for a conversation on Christian genres and the role of music in our walks as Christ followers. They discuss how race and different cultural experiences factor into the music played in our churches, and how the social media algorithm influences our perception of Christian music too. Is one genre more theologically so
Loving People When You Don't Want To With Toni Collier
Each one of us is worthy of deep and intentional relationships. Just look at the life of Jesus and His close circles of community. God’s design is for us to be with people, but relationships are hard.
The Perrys are joined by Toni Collier to talk about her new book, Don’t Try This Alone: How to Build Deep Community When You Want to Hide from Your Pain. Toni and the Perrys talk about how past hur
When Christianity Gets Hard
Sometimes coming to Christian faith means that life gets harder and we don’t like that. We will all find ourselves in moments or seasons of discouragement, but we can wrestle through it with reverence. The main way to fight discouragement is by having a knowledge of God’s Word that helps you lean into Christ, and in this week’s episode, the Perrys walk through a number of passages to help us do ju
Unforgiveness, Raising Kids in the Last Days, and Proud Preachers: A Q&A Episode
The Perrys' Q&A episodes are some of your favorites. In this one, the Perrys answer questions from their Instagram followers, covering topics related to evangelism, marriage, parenting, recognition, and forgiveness. How do you know if you are called to evangelize? Is it okay if a husband and wife attend different churches? What if you’re hesitant to have kids and bring them into a broken world? Le
Figuring Out Biblical Womanhood
After their “Act Like a Man” episode, the Perrys thought it would be beneficial to also have a conversation on womanhood.
When Jackie first became a believer, she felt as though many books she read on womanhood leaned heavily on cultural contexts or norms instead of Biblical frameworks. As she has become more comfortable in her femininity, she’s learned more about what it looks like to show up a
Navigating Church Culture Differences With Humility
God’s people are represented in more than just your immediate Christian circle and cultural context. And if we are as Christ followers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, there’s always something to learn from one another.
The Perrys reflect on their experiences inside different church settings, denominations, and faith expressions throughout their ministry. They’ve learned that God is too big for
The Idolatry of Knowledge
Christianity is an intellectual faith, and the Lord wants us to use our minds. We see that in passages that say “Think on these things” or “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” But how do you know if you’ve made an idol out of knowledge?
You might find yourself critiquing and correcting more than you build others up. Knowledge can be an idol when it’s solely for yo
When You Hate The Home
You won’t always have uninterrupted affection for the things God has called you to, and that’s normal. So what do you do when you feel like you hate being at home?
Home can be a stressful and overwhelming place, one that is completely “others” oriented. Our spouses and kids depend on us. We have responsibilities that cannot be ignored. The mundane of our day-to-day lives makes us wrestle with both
Why Y'all Not Talking Bout The Cross No More
We are losing sight of the simplicity of the gospel message, and we’ve got to get back to the basics. In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss why it is that we don’t focus enough on Jesus’ redemptive work on the cross. Our sin is a big reason. We forget about God’s wrath and why we need to be saved in the first place. We get caught up in a works-based idea of sanctification. The truth of the g
Act Like a Man
In 1 Corinthians, Paul says, “Act like men, be strong.” But what does manhood look like?
In this episode, Preston explores some of his earliest views of masculinity as a kid and what it meant to “be a man.” The development of our identity is shaped by both parents in unique ways, so the Perrys talk about the dynamics of being nurtured – or not – by a mother and a father. They also discuss the mode
Let’s Talk Fasting and Prayer
It’s been a minute since the Perrys dedicated an episode to the topic of prayer, and they realize they pray differently today than they did back then. Just as sanctification changes who you are, it also changes your prayer life, so what do their prayers look like now?
Jackie and Preston also take a look at several examples of prayer in the Bible. Scripture shows us how we can approach God when we
How to Be A Christian on Social Media
The Perrys are back after many months away spent tending to their souls and their family. The time offline was good and at times “profoundly boring,” but as they re-engage with social media, they’ve got some thoughts.
The Perrys discuss what scripture has to say about our character, and how Christians ought to be on social media because of what the Bible says. How we show up on social media matter
Best of WTP: How To Fight For Your Marriage
While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.
If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfuncti
Best of WTP: Conflict, Confrontation, and Arguing Well
While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.
Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years.
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Best of WTP: Men, Marriage, Sex, and Kevin Samuels
While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Here's an episode from June 2023 with Jackie and Preston's friend Ezekiel Azonwu.
Culture discourages men from being in community, and many men are confused about their call and spiritual giftedness. But guys are crying out for discipleship and voices that are in close proximity to them who w
Best of WTP: Mormonism, Homosexuality, Parenting Tips & More
While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes. In this episode from February 2023, Jackie and Preston sit down and answer questions sent in from their former Patreon community.
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Social Media Break, Slander, and Sanctification
After a fruitful yet exhausting year, the Perrys talk about the future of the podcast and their public ministry. They discuss whether or not they did too much, what they’ve learned about rhythms of rest, how God has used success and scrutiny to make them more like Jesus, and the gifts and dangers of social media.
While some ministry will still continue at the start of the new year, new episodes
The Forgotten Art of Lament with Sarah Benibo
Today’s podcast guest, Sarah Benibo, joins Jackie and Preston to discuss the church’s relationship with lament – or lack thereof – and the reality that we can still worship God through our expression of sorrow and grief. She explains how we are to lament by pointing to N.T. Wright’s quote that says “Lament is an appeal to God based on confidence in His character.” Our lament says “God, you are goo
What if Porn Was Actually Satanic? An Honest Conversation With Ray Ortlund
Ray Ortlund is back on the podcast to discuss the topics of pornography, human dignity, sexuality, and marriage. As a pastor, Ray has come to realize that porn is the wallpaper of our culture. It’s everywhere. We’re not just looking at it; it’s looking for us. So how are we to respond and fight back with the gospel in mind?
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Family and Parenting with Generations in Mind: A Conversation With The Ortlunds
The “unimpressive” life you live today is really important. Even the mundane matters. God is using it and will bless you and future generations through your faithfulness. These are reminders from Ray and Jani Ortlund, who join the Perrys on the podcast to impart their wisdom from their 53-year journey in marriage and parenting.
Ray founded Immanuel Church in Nashville, where he still serves as the
How to Be a Christian During Election Season with Justin Giboney
Justin Giboney joins the Perrys for a conversation on politics. Justin is the co-founder of the AND Campaign, a Christian civic organization for raising civic literacy among Christians so that we can engage in a better way. He talks with the Perrys about the idea that our public witness doesn’t belong to either political party, and that parties are just tools, not identities.
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Christian Endurance, Fashion, and People Pleasing (A Q&A Episode)
It’s been a minute since the Perrys have recorded a Q&A episode, but we’ve got one for you this week. Jackie and Preston start off deep, talking about enduring hard things as Christ followers, including experiencing true spiritual warfare. They discuss topics such as fashion and aesthetics, finding the right church, talking to your kids about other religions, and how to differentiate between kindn
Parenting Children with Special Needs and More with Megan Ashley
Megan Ashley joins the Perrys to talk about her upbringing, faith journey, and hardships of the past several years. As a mom to a child with autism, Megan believes the church should step in to support families, and she’s advocating for churches to become more conscious of special needs. Jackie, Preston and Megan Ashley also talk about the dichotomy of darkness and beauty in their city of Atlanta,
The State of the American Church: A Conversation with Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell (Part Two)
Philip Anthony Mitchell is back for Part Two of his conversation with the Perrys, talking about problems with the American church. We're seeing a drift from Orthodox Christianity and a growing dishonor for Jesus. Rampant idolatry, insensitivity to sin, leaders who are living in open rebellion to God, people clapping in rooms as they're listening to false doctrines. People don't want to be taught..
From Rikers to Righteous: A Conversation with Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell
Philip Anthony Mitchell feels that he was radically brought into the Kingdom. Born in Queens, NY to Trinidadian parents, Philip found a sense of community and belonging in the streets, despite his mother and father starting a Christian ministry in the basement of their home.
Now the lead pastor of 2819 Church in Atlanta, Philip sits down with the Perrys for a conversation on the urban context and
How to Help the Church be Sacred, Soft, and Safe with Pricelis Dominguez
Many of us have experienced hurt within the church or have had seasons of disconnection from a local faith community. Even if we haven’t, we probably see areas where our current church context could be improved. So what does a healthy church look like and how can we be a part of its flourishing?
Pricelis Dominguez talks with the Perrys about her own church experience, discussing things like past
Emotional Idolatry (With The Perrys Podcast Tour)
You know the word ‘emotional’ – we’ve all got feelings – and you’ve heard the term ‘idolatry.’ But it’s rare that we hear the two words as a phrase together. Emotions are not wrong – having them is evidence that we’re created in the image of God. But if we’re not careful, emotions can dictate our world and realities instead of God’s truth.
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Boy Mom Stuff, Preaching, and Other Gems with Priscilla Shirer
Young men today want to be poured into, and Priscilla Shirer’s new movie is all about the power of prayer and discipleship in a boy's life. In this episode, Priscilla talks with the Perrys about parenting boys and how God has taught her to surrender her comfort in the “rough and tumble” of them growing up to be men. What did Priscilla’s parents do to instill deep faith and closeness as a family? W
How to Wrestle with God with Lisa Fields
Wrestling with God is a normal part of the Christian faith. We can’t grow in our relationship with God without questioning Him. But many of us run from hard questions or feel discouraged and angry when the answers we find are not emotionally satisfying to us. This week’s guest, Lisa Fields, has a conversation with the Perrys about learning how to wrestle well with God instead of leaving the faith.
It’s Giving Self-Righteous
Have you ever thought you were a better Christian than other Christians? We can all be self-righteous at times, but it’s bad theology. We can’t compare our spiritual maturity to that of other Christ followers, who are also flawed human beings – we must compare ourselves to Christ. In this episode, the Perrys walk us through the theology that moves us to have more gracious, less judgmental spiritua
Stewarding Influence and Liberties
How do you steward your influence? This is a valuable question for every Christian. If you’ve been called out of darkness into His marvelous light, that is your platform to display His goodness. You have influence, even if you’re not a public figure, and others are watching. The Perrys discuss what it looks like to steward your time, finances, resources and relationships too.
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Church Girl with Dr. Sarita Lyons
Dr. Sarita Lyons has written a book to encourage Black women specifically – based on their unique lived experience – and she sits down with the Perrys to talk about it. She also shares about her faith journey of spiritual confusion. When she went to college, she started to embrace African spiritualism with the Christian faith of her childhood but quickly learned that you can’t mix Jesus with false
Spouses Don’t Compete, They Complement
We are all uniquely gifted and charged to use our gifts for the glory of God, both inside and outside the home. How can we use our gifts effectively while also helping our partner to flourish? What does it look like for husbands and wives to support each other without ego or insecurity getting in the way? The Perrys discuss how it takes both humility and love for spouses to support each other well
Best of WTP – What We Wish We Knew About Sex
With the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.What do you think about sex? It has serious physical, social, emotional, and spiritual implications. It’s the closest physical bond two human beings can have. It can bring forth both life and destruction. We’ve seen sex misused and perverted, but there’
Best of WTP – Sooo, About Dating
With the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Dating at any age is hard, and dating now looks different than it did “back then” (this is true no matter when your “then” might have been). Though Jackie says she doesn’t feel like she and Preston really dated – their friendship naturally grew toward m
Best of WTP – Prayer: The Discipline We All Suck At
Because of the podcast tour, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Prayer will always be a struggle because it concerns our dependence. “Do I trust myself today, or do I trust God to meet my needs?” The Perrys still feel this, that prayer might be something we always suck at. Oh, and this episode has a very important debate
Is Seventh Day Adventism a Cult?
A few months back, Dr. Eric Mason joined Jackie and Preston to talk about church dynamics and denominations, and it got some pushback from members of the SDA (Seventh Day Adventism) community. As a follow-up, Dr. Mason is back to have a conversation with Elce “Thunder” Lauriston, who used to be a conference evangelist and defender of the Adventist faith… until he says “in good consciousness and in
Depression, Suffering, and The Faithfulness of God’s Presence with Brenna Blain
This episode comes with a trigger warning for discussions of suicidal ideation. If you or someone you love is in crisis, dial 988 for help. Other resources to check out include Anthem of Hope and Psychology Today.
Jackie and Preston sit down with Brenna Blain to discuss some hard things. Brenna is a wife, mom, and contemporary theologian who says she “wrestles with the intersection of faith and su
Managing Friendship Trauma and the Fear of Cultivating New Ones
Trauma can show up in all relationships, not just romantic ones. And “friendship trauma” may sound dramatic, but experiences with others can legitimately affect your view of yourself, even the concept of friendship in general. In this episode, the Perrys talk about what it looks like to be a good friend, and how we need to work through past hurt and doubt to engage in future, healthy friendships.
How to Make Disciples That Make Disciples
When a man named Brian Dye started coming to Preston’s poetry events, Preston admits he didn’t trust him. But Brian had a burden to see young believers walk toward sanctification, and he felt called by God to help Preston to cultivate his influence. Brian’s pursuit of Preston and their ongoing discipleship relationship is the topic of today’s episode. Jackie, Preston and Brian discuss the pastoral
A Brief Conversation about Ephesians with Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa Kruger
When it comes to women in ministry who know a thing or two about studying the Bible, Jackie and her two guests, Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa Kruger, have a ton to offer. On this episode of With The Perrys, they sit down to discuss a new Bible study resource called Ephesians: A Study of Faith and Practice. Jackie, Jasmine, and Melissa talk about the way they went about writing this Bible study tog
We Are All Just Jars of Clay
Can we be honest? This episode almost didn't happen because The Perrys found themselves in a funk when it was time to record. Jackie admits she’s recently felt as though she’s been holding back the hand of depression. Preston reflects on spiritual opposition he’s felt during this busy season with projects and upcoming plans. So, what does it look like to fight back against anger, irritation, or sa
Practicing Humility
Pride is an illusion wrapped in a lie, and it's in each of us. It’s our desire for total independence from our Creator, and it makes us feel good because we feel secure and capable. But it never satisfies in the way we think it will. In this episode, Preston and Jackie discuss how keeping God as our reference point is the only way to embrace true humility.
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