
Frontier CMO Podcast by Think with Google
In the AI era, marketing should be unstoppable, and its future is being written in real time. Frontier CMO talks to the leaders shaping it. Join Joshua Spanier, Google's VP of AI and Marketing Strategy, in his deep-dives with the leaders, marketers, technologists who are rewriting the playbook. Welcome to the Frontier. We’re asking the questions others won’t: How do marketing leaders prove ROI to executives? What does a modern marketing strategy look like when AI and analytics are reshaping the rules every day? Each episode of Frontier CMO explores the real-world playbooks leaders are using to navigate the AI-powered landscape.
Episodes
Mark Ritson on Why the Fundamentals Still Win
Teams are moving faster than ever, producing more content, running more campaigns, and optimizing everything. But without strategy, it’s mostly noise.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Josh travels to London to sit down with Mark Ritson, brand strategist, former marketing professor, and advisor to companies like LVMH, Sephora, and Donna Karan, to talk about the state of marketing, which frankly i
Inside Google’s Creative Frontier with Josh Woodward & Robert Wong
On this special episode of the Frontier CMO podcast, host Josh Spanier, VP of AI and Marketing Strategy at Google, sits down with two of the driving forces shaping the future of AI and creative: Robert Wong, head of Google’s Creative Lab, and Josh Woodward, head of Google Labs, Gemini, & AI Studio.
Together, they tell the story of how their teams of engineers and marketers came together to creat
Beyond the Pitch: Inside Arsenal’s Global Fandom Playbook
Most football clubs are built around matchday but not Arsenal. As it enters its 140th year, the team in a lot of ways, is only just getting started.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Josh travels to London to meet Juliet Slot, Chief Commercial Officer at Arsenal Football Club, on home turf to go inside the playbook behind one of the most engaged global fanbases in sports.
From the rapid rise of
Asmita Dubey on AI, Fragmentation, and the Future of Marketing
Marketing is entering its most complex era yet. AI is accelerating everything—but the real challenge is making sense of a system that is fragmenting faster than ever.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Josh Spanier sits down with Asmita Dubey, Chief Digital and Marketing Officer at L’Oréal Groupe, who leads digital transformation across the world’s largest beauty company. With more than 90,000 empl
Emma Grede on Operationalizing Culture, Speed, and AI
Marketing is no longer downstream from product. It is the operating system.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Josh Spanier sits down with Emma Grede, founding partner and Chief Product Officer at SKIMS, Co Founder & CEO of Good American, and Co Founder of Off Season, to unpack what it really takes to build durable brands in a culture obsessed with moments. Emma shares why product discipline matte
Carla Hassan on Trust, AI, and Leading Under Pressure
Marketing leadership today is defined by pressure: AI disruption, declining trust in institutions, cultural fragmentation, and relentless growth expectations.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Josh Spanier sits down with Carla Hassan, Chief Marketing Officer of JPMorganChase, who leads more than 3,000 marketers across one of the world’s most recognized financial brands. From her early life shaped
Sir Martin Sorrell on AI and Agency Reinvention
Marketing is being reshaped by forces far bigger than any single campaign: AI, geopolitical fragmentation, economic pressure, and collapsing agency business models.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, host Josh Spanier sits down with a legend of the advertising world: Sir Martin Sorrell. As an architect of the industry over the last 50 years, Sir Martin shares his unvarnished perspective on where ma
Vineet Mehra on Marketing in the Agentic Era and How to speak the Love Language of the CFO
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Vineet Mehra, Chief Growth Officer at Chime, joins Josh Spanier to unpack what it takes to lead marketing through the next platform shift. Drawing on a career that spans Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, and Silicon Valley, Vineet shares how CMOs must evolve from brand managers into capital allocators who drive growth by effectively managing where dollars are de
Vidhya Srinivasan on Agentic Commerce and the AI Rewiring of Marketing
Marketing is being rebuilt from the infrastructure up. Search is changing. Commerce is becoming agent-driven. Measurement is being redefined in real time. And the line between engineering and marketing is disappearing.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, host Josh Spanier sits down with Vidhya Srinivasan, Head of Ads and Commerce at Google. As the leader responsible for Google Ads, YouTube Ads, Shop
Colin & Samir on the CMO’s Guide to the New Creator Economy
Marketing is colliding with a creator economy that looks more like television, community, and culture, rather than what we used to think of when we think of social media.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Josh Spanier, VP of AI & Marketing Strategy at Google, sits down with Colin Rosenblum and Samir Chaudry, creators and hosts of Colin & Samir, to unpack how the creator landscape has fundamentally
Gary Vaynerchuk on Why Creative, Not Media, Is the Real Growth Engine
Brands are currently caught between two realities: the pretty strategy deck and the real world where attention is the currency. Gary Vaynerchuk, CEO of VaynerMedia joins Josh Spanier, VP of AI & Marketing Strategy at Google to discuss why traditional brand models are failing and which channels remain the C-suite’s most misunderstood growth levers.
Gary argues the bottleneck isn’t media—it’s cre
Norm de Greve on Growth, Reinvention, and Leading Through Relentless Change
Today’s CMO is being asked to deliver growth in a landscape defined by radical uncertainty and AI disruption.
In this episode of Frontier CMO, Norm de Greve, Chief Growth Officer at General Motors, joins Josh to explore what it takes to drive reinvention inside one of the world’s most complex legacy brands. Norm uses his experience making high-stakes decisions that have defined his career— walk
Shelly Palmer on Leading Through AI Change, Identity Threat, and Marketing’s Next Era
In marketing, AI is not a technology problem, it’s a leadership challenge and opportunity. Our premiere episode of Frontier CMO comes to you from CES 2026. We skipped the crystal ball hype to get to the point: AI is not just a tech shift, it’s a leadership test.
In the first episode, Josh Spanier sits down with Shelly Palmer—CEO of The Palmer Group, Advanced Professor in Residence, and one of th
Introducing Frontier CMO by Think with Google
In the AI era, marketing should be unstoppable, and its future is being written in real time. Frontier CMO talks to the leaders shaping it. Join Joshua Spanier, Google's VP of AI and Marketing Strategy, in his deep-dives with the leaders, marketers, technologists who are rewriting the playbook. Welcome to the Frontier. New episodes drop January 2026.
We’re asking the questions others won’t: How
Tombras president Dooley Tombras on creating an impossible ad with gen AI | Modern Marketers
This week on Modern Marketers, Tombras president Dooley Tombras joins Google's Joshua Spanier and Bethany Poole to discuss being the third generation to lead the family business, what it means to be an independent agency focusing on data and creativity, and the partnership with PODS and Google to create an impossible ad campaign using generative AI. Dooley shares a few favorite campaigns from his
McDonald's VP of Marketing Elizabeth Campbell on driving customer loyalty | Modern Marketers
This week on Modern Marketers, McDonald's VP of Marketing Elizabeth Campbell joins Google's Joshua Spanier and Bethany Poole to talk about her 20-year career at the company and how the brand keeps consumers at the center of everything it does. Elizabeth shares some of McDonald's most iconic marketing campaigns and product launches she has worked on over the years, as well as tips for engaging with
Northwestern Kellogg Professor Jim Lecinski on being a whole brain marketer | Modern Marketers
This week on Modern Marketers, Jim Lecinski, clinical professor of marketing at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management, joins Google's Joshua Spanier and Bethany Poole to talk about Jim's career pivot from tech executive to college professor, what traits make up the most effective marketer, and the ability to combine left and right brain to be a whole-brain marketer. Jim discusses
Walmart CMO William White on brand values and cutting through the competition | Modern Marketers
This week on Modern Marketers, Walmart SVP and CMO William White joins Google's Joshua Spanier and Bethany Poole to talk about how he empowers his team to stay nimble, using customer insights as a competitive advantage and how the brand breaks through during the busiest time of the year: the holidays. William discusses how brand purpose and values act as a guide, getting to the crux of what's driv
Hubspot CMO Kipp Bodnar on compelling B2B creative and quick business results | Modern Marketers
This week on Modern Marketers, Kipp Bodnar, CMO of Hubspot, joins Google's Joshua Spanier to discuss how to make B2B marketing creative better, how to convince your CFO it's OK not to attribute 100% of your marketing spend, and the importance of taking risks as a leader. Hear how Hubspot has built out its marketing team, approaches growth opportunities, and about Kipp's experiences from his days a
Colgate-Palmolive CDO Brigitte King on Creating a Test and Learn Culture and Being Courageous
On this week's episode of Modern Marketers, Colgate-Palmolive's chief digital officer Brigitte King joins Google's Joshua Spanier and Bethany Poole to talk about her core leadership principles and how the brand adapts to ever-changing technology curves. Brigitte shares the five P's that have guided her through her career, how she upskilled her entire organization to be digitally fluent, and the im
Canva CMO Zach Kitschke on Achieving Big Marketing Goals and Sparking Virality
This week, Canva CMO Zach Kitschke joins Google's Joshua Spanier and Bethany Poole to talk about the brand's product evolution over the years, and how it puts visual communication into everyone's hands. Zach discusses Canva's growth journey, the importance of creating delightful product experiences, viral marketing moments, and the power of community.
Choreograph CEO Evan Hanlon on Building Scale and the Importance of Experimenting
This week on Modern Marketers, Choreograph global CEO Evan Hanlon joins Joshua Spanier and Bethany Poole, global senior marketing director at Google, to discuss the human side of leveraging data in your marketing and why it's more important than ever to make your creative count. Tune in to hear why AI should not be treated as an "easy button," how agencies can best communicate with C-suite clients
Experian CMO Dacy Yee on Meeting Consumer Needs with Engaging Storytelling
This week, Dacy Yee, Chief Marketing and Experience Officer at Experian Consumer Services, joins Joshua Spanier to discuss her consumer advocacy within the organization and the responsibility that comes with marketing its products. Hear how being intentional throughout her career helped Yee become CMO; how Experian approaches meeting consumer needs; and how leveraging a celebrity personality has h
Zola CEO & Founder, Shan-Lyn Ma and CMO, Victoria Vaynberg on Company Values and Brand Development
Zola CEO & Founder, Shan-Lyn Ma and CMO, Victoria Vaynberg, join Joshua Spanier to discuss balancing their various business models, updating brand positioning to evolve with their offerings, and the importance of their core company values. Hear how Zola got started, how they keep up with the growth they've experienced over the years, and ways they work with creators and influencers to share the po
Uber VP of Marketing, David Mogensen on Connecting Marketing Strategy to Great Creative
David Mogensen, VP of Marketing at Uber, joins Google's Joshua Spanier to discuss the balance of faith and science when it comes to media measurement and the importance of creative in driving growth. Get an inside look into how an innovative company like Uber thinks about positioning its multiple brands, making a great Super Bowl ad, and insights from David's global work experience.
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