Safe Aerospace Podcast
Americans for Safe Aerospace 4 episodes Nov 5, 2026
The Safe Aerospace Podcast, hosted by former F/A-18 pilot Ryan Graves, brings together military aviators, commercial pilots, air traffic controllers, aerospace professionals, and policymakers to discuss UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena) in controlled airspace. Each episode features firsthand accounts from credentialed professionals, analysis of emerging policy developments, and conversations with researchers and lawmakers. The show aims to bring scientific rigor and institutional accountability to a long-stigmatized issue, exploring what UAP encounters mean for flight safety, national security, and airspace transparency.
Episodes
Airman Describes a UAP Three Airmen Saw Through Night Vision | Logan Labby
Through night-vision goggles, Logan Labby says he saw a large, silent V-shaped object over Schriever Air Force Base. When he lowered the goggles, he could no longer see it.In spring 2008, Logan was serving in Air Force Security Forces near Colorado Springs. He recalls that two fellow airmen also viewed the object through the goggles, yet none of them reported it that night. He says they f
Scientist: What 112 UAP Videos Can't Tell Us | Ravi Kopparapu
What can 112 released UAP videos actually tell us?NASA Goddard planetary scientist Ravi Kopparapu joins me to explain what he and Jacob Haqq-Misra could measure in the PURSUE videos, where the evidence runs out, and what better data would make possible.We examine three clips and discuss why an object's apparent movement across a screen isn't enough to establish its speed. A ship in one fr
Navy Chief Watched a Triangle Hover Over a Cruiser, Then a Ship Fired a Missile | Ricky Harris
A shining black triangle, bigger than a warship, hanging motionless over a moving cruiser. Red, blue, and green lights at its corners. Then, in an instant, it was eight miles away.Ricky Harris spent decades in and around naval aviation, first as a Navy avionics technician aboard EC-130 TACAMO aircraft, the airborne link between national command authority and the submarine fleet, and later
Test Pilot Watched a 300-Foot Black Triangle Blot Out the Stars Over Edwards | Dan Isbell Part 2
Stars winking out in the shape of a giant triangle. A beam of light that found him alone at his hot tub, with no source in sight. A sphere of plasma that stopped behind his house. And a veteran journalist’s warning: they’re tracking you.In this part two of a two-part series, and the conclusion of Dan Isbell’s story. Dan Isbell flew the F-111 on Cold War nuclear alert, graduated first in h
Air Force Test Pilot Saw a Silent Triangular Craft Over an English Golf Course | Dan Isbell Part 1 of 2
A red Corvette alone on a dark English road. Strange lights closing fast in the rearview mirror, then stopping dead. A silent, color-shifting craft hovering just above a golf course.Dan Isbell spent his career at the leading edge of American airpower. He went straight into the left seat of the F-111, the first variable-sweep-wing fighter, flew nuclear alert for NATO at the height of the C
Black Triangles, Pilot Reports & the Search for UAP Evidence | JMill & Ryan Graves
What are pilots reporting, and how do we turn those accounts into evidence we can study?I sit down with Jonathan Miller, known as JMill, to discuss his work on sensemaking and MIT's Confronting Unknowns program. We explore how researchers can study ambiguous data, separate signal from noise, and stay open to new information without jumping to conclusions.Then we turn the tables. JMill ask
SpaceShipOne Astronaut Saw a Dozen Glowing Spheres in His Backyard | Kevin Curran & Matt Stinemetze
A crashed spaceship. A career left in doubt. And six days later, a backyard full of light he couldn't explain.Brian Binnie was the second person to fly a private spacecraft to the edge of space — a Navy veteran with 33 combat missions, advanced degrees from Brown and Princeton, and the test pilot who flew the final flight of SpaceShipOne. Six days after a hard landing damaged its landing
“That's No Balloon!”: F-18 Pilot Reconsiders His UAP Encounter | Austin Hulbert
Three passes. A persistent radar contact. A brief glimpse of something silvery off the wing.Former Navy F-18 pilot Austin Hulbert and his weapons systems officer called it a balloon and moved on. Years later, Austin started building stratospheric balloons for the military. That explanation no longer made sense to him.I sit down with Austin, one of my instructors during Navy flight trainin
Former DISA Contractor Saw a UAP Live on an MQ-9 Feed Over East Asia | Kevin Campbell
What did a defense network engineer see while monitoring U.S. military drone feeds over the waters of East Asia?I sit down with former Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) contractor Kevin Campbell, who supported satellite communications and monitored MQ-9 feeds from Hill Air Force Base. Kevin says he encountered several clips of unidentified objects in the East China Sea and Yellow
Intel Officers Saw a Massive Craft Over Cheyenne Mountain Complex | Caison Best
What really happened over Cheyenne Mountain in February 2022?Ryan Graves sits down with former Army intelligence officer Caison Best, whose own unexplained broad-daylight sighting of a massive craft led him on a journey through the military and federal intelligence apparatus. After attempting to report the incident through official channels, Caison navigated an investigation by the Pentag
Phantom NJ Swarms: Uncovering 13,000 UAP Police Records with AI | John Malaska x Ryan Graves
What really happened during the 2024 New Jersey drone wave?Ryan Graves sits down with AI researcher John Malaska, whose own unexplained thermal-camera sighting led him to investigate the incidents through public records. After contacting municipalities across New Jersey, John assembled approximately 13,000 records—including police reports, dispatch logs, emails, body-camera transcripts, d
"The Size of a 737": Marine Fighter Pilot Benjamin Read on His UAP Near-Miss Over Houston
A veteran Marine F-18 Hornet pilot, a commercial airliner climbing out of Houston, and an object "the size of a 737" hovering motionless between cloud layers — with air traffic control confirming an uncorrelated target that had been "popping on and off the scope all day." In this episode of the Safe Aerospace Podcast, former Navy F/A-18F pilot Ryan Graves talks with Benjamin Read, an 18-y
Inside the Radar Room: 26-Year Air Traffic Controller Jason Judy on UAP Sightings, Filtered Radar Data & the Chinese Balloon
What do air traffic controllers actually see on their scopes when pilots report unidentified aerial phenomena? In the premiere episode of the Safe Aerospace Podcast, former U.S. Navy F/A-18F pilot Ryan Graves sits down with Jason Judy, a 26-year FAA air traffic controller turned corporate pilot, for a rare inside look at how UAP appear — and disappear — inside America's air traffic contro
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