The Skin Deep presents {THE AND}
The Skin Deep presents {THE AND} is an Emmy-award winning relationship documentary and card game podcast. It explores relationships including friendship, dating, marriage, intimacy, work, and human connection. The show features genuine, heartfelt conversations between couples, family, friends, coworkers, and strangers. It celebrates and amplifies real connections in an increasingly disconnected world. Card games related to the podcast are available for purchase.
Episodes
Living With Your Complete Opposite | {THE AND} Michael & Emily
Brother and sister Michael (he/him) and Emily (she/her) are opposite siblings and first generation Americans sitting down for an honest conversation about family. Two years apart, they've teamed up against mom's texts, argued over dishes, and sat side by side through long hospital nights. In this episode of {THE AND}, they get into what brings them closest and what they wish for each other's futur
The Unspoken Rule That Saved Our 20-Year Friendship | {THE AND} Jennifer & Shantel
Twenty years in, they've shown up for the divorces, the pierced ears, a fiancé, and the day one of their moms died. Jennifer (she/her) and Shantel (she/her) have been best friends since they were teenagers, and in this episode of {THE AND} they get into what it means to feel like nobody's above you, why they can be completely unfiltered with each other, and what real, unconditional support looks l
The Burden of Being the Oldest Sister | {THE AND} JJ & Fatimata
Two months after Fatimata graduated college, their father was diagnosed with cancer, and while JJ was heading off to school, Fatimata stepped into the role of holding the family together. In this episode of {THE AND}, JJ (she/her) and Fatimata (she/her), sisters five years apart, get into what it means to be the oldest, the guilt of choosing yourself, and what real safety feels like between two pe
Being Pushed Away By Your Mother | {THE AND} Markisha & Debra
Markisha (she/her) and Debra (she/her) are aunt and niece, Debra is the one who helped raise Markisha, filling a space her mother left behind. That bond has held through disagreements, distance, and blunt honesty neither of them sugarcoats. In this conversation, they get into being pushed away by family who should have shown up, learning to speak their minds without holding back, and why the famil
20 Years of Friendship: Why It Never Fell Apart | {THE AND} x Teremana: Share The Mana
Fatima, Justine, Mike, Carla and Angelito have been friends since middle school. Over twenty years, a few cocktails, and every major chapter of life later, they sit down to talk about what's kept them close through it all.
The Skin Deep and Teremana Tequila are excited to share a new collaboration "{THE AND} Share the Mana" with an exclusive, special edition card game, created for the conversatio
Married Couple: How They Handle Conflict | {THE AND} Josiah & Olivia
What does it feel like to explain love to someone who's never experienced it? Josiah (he/him) and Olivia (she/her) met 15 years ago, drifted apart, and found each other again by chance in Vegas on New Year's Eve 2019. They married two years later, both on their second marriage, and in this conversation they get into what it means to say exactly what you mean, how they actually work through conflic
When The Cocktails Get You Talking | {THE AND} x Teremana: Share The Mana
Alex, Ashlee, Dre, Pietrina, and Nico have been friends for 20 years, and in this conversation they open up about what adult friendship has meant for them. Between cocktails and questions, they talk about needing people, staying vulnerable as they get older, and why finding friendships like this one in adulthood is such a big deal.
The Skin Deep and Teremana Tequila are excited to share a new col
Male Friendship: 13 Years, No Filter | {THE AND} River & Donnie
Do you believe in love, or are the odds just not worth it? River (he/him) and Donnie (he/him) have been best friends for over 13 years, more like brothers at this point, and in this episode of {THE AND} they get into why River thinks Donnie has given up on love completely. From marriage statistics to what "avoidance" really means, this is a raw, funny, and honest look at male friendship, staying s
We Both Thought Love Was Over. Then We Met. | {THE AND} Amy & Jacob
Amy (she/her) and Jacob (he/him) fell in love long distance after both starting over from divorce. Six months in, they're finally learning to live instead of just survive. In this conversation, they play {THE AND} Couples Edition and go deep into what that shift actually feels like. Amy is a florist and mother of three from the New Orleans area, and Jacob is a father of three who's called seven st
Best Friends Who Fell in Love Share Their Story | {THE AND} Beth & Todd
Beth (she/her) and Todd (he/him) play {THE AND} and go deep into love, loss, and what it means to truly know someone over a decade together. Beth is an actress living in New Orleans who found her greatest love story where she least expected it, on a theatre stage. Todd is her husband, best friend, and the person who held her hand through breast cancer and never let go.
In this conversation, they
What Is the Greatest Lesson a Father Can Teach? | {THE AND} Carl & CJ
Carl (he/him) and his son CJ (he/him) play {THE AND} Family Edition and go deep into legacy, love, and being the invisible fence that holds a family together. Carl is an old school dad who leads by example and shows up consistently. CJ is a 32-year-old visionary who credits his father as his biggest source of inspiration and grounding.
In this conversation, they talk about what they share, where
Married at First Sight. Now What? | {THE AND} Amani & Woodrow
Amani (she/her) and Woodrow (he/him) play {THE AND} Couples Edition and get real about six years of marriage after meeting as strangers on TV show 'Married at First Sight'. Amani is a deeply sensitive and creative soul who leads with love and is still learning to speak her truth without fear. Woodrow is a confident, loyal, and hilariously blunt partner who is falling in love with his wife all over
Best Friends Finally Say The Unexpected | {THE AND} Kim & Joan
Kim (she/her) and Joan (she/her) play {THE AND} Friends Edition and go deep into a 16-year friendship built on radical honesty, mutual healing, and unconditional love. Kim is a self-described crafty nerd navigating life after divorce and Joan is a doctor and bride-to-be who has always seen the light in her best friend even when Kim couldn't see it herself.
In this deep and deeply moving conversa
Mother And Daughter Get Honest About Growing Apart | {THE AND} Robin & Betty
Robin (she/her) and Betty (she/her) play {THE AND} Family Edition and go deep into what it really means to love each other across generations. Robin is a New Orleans vocalist carrying her family's generational legacy forward through her debut album and Betty is the polio survivor whose quiet strength built the foundation of their mother daughter bond. In this raw and tender conversation, they open
Brides-to-Be Get Brutally Honest | {THE AND} Aleya & Gabrielle
Aleya (she/her) and Gabrielle (she/her) play {THE AND} Couples Edition just weeks before their wedding and open up about what it really means to love someone out loud. They talk about choosing each other in a world that doesn't always make that easy, healing through abandonment wounds, and the quiet courage it takes to be a same-sex couple saying "I do" in public.
In this poetic and tender conver
Love Found Them in Survival Mode | {THE AND} Brandy & Dupree
Brandy (she/her) and Dupree (he/him) play {THE AND} Couples Edition and reflect on what it means to choose each other through the hard stuff. In this honest and tender conversation, they talk about growing up in survival mode, healing old wounds, breaking generational cycles, and learning to love without armor. Together, they explore trust, vulnerability, transparency, and how their greatest lesso
What We Never Said in 13 Years of Friendship | {THE AND} Jewells & Alie
Jewells (she/her) and Alie (she/her) have been friends for 13 years, but their relationship didn’t start easy. In this episode, they play {THE AND} Friends Edition and sit down for an honest conversation about friendship, communication, trust, and emotional growth, revisiting the tension and conflict that shaped their connection over time. What unfolds is raw, real, and deeply human. The kind of l
A Father Hears His Daughter Differently | {THE AND} Gonzalo & Berlin
Gonzalo (he/him) & Berlin (she/her) play {THE AND} Family Edition and reflect on what it means to grow up together as father and daughter. In this heartfelt conversation, they talk about becoming a parent, learning through mistakes, letting go of control, and finding balance between protection and independence. Together, they explore identity, trust, vulnerability, and how their biggest lessons ca
Marriage: Who We Are Now {THE AND} Keisha & Andrew
Keisha (she/her) & Andrew (he/him) return for their 8th {THE AND} conversation, playing the Couples Edition once again. As longtime community favorites, we’ve followed their relationship across more than a decade of conversations, witnessing how their partnership continues to evolve through love, loss, creativity, and now parenthood.In this episode, they reflect on navigating conflict without disc
Sisters Facing Hidden Wounds | {THE AND} Dawn & Adrianna
Dawn (she/her) & Adrianna (she/her) play the {THE AND} Family Edition card game in this episode. Their conversation moves through sisterhood, childhood wounds, and the push and pull between protection, boundaries, and being truly heard.They reflect on growing up in the same family with different experiences, and how that shaped trust, communication, and the way they show up for each other now.
Le
What Fame Did to Our Friendship | {THE AND} Alyson & Annie
Alyson (they/them) & Annie (she/her) play the {THE AND} Friends Edition card game in this episode. They have been childhood friends for over 20 years and grew up together in Hollywood.They talk about how early fame shaped their sense of self, creativity, survival, and identity. Annie moved through acting, music, and personal growth with vulnerability and humor. Alyson brings reflection, curiosity,
How a Palestinian Peacebuilder and a Jewish Soul Connected | {THE AND} Adnan & Michal
Adnan (he/them), a Palestinian peacebuilder, and Michal (she/her), a Jewish artist, play the {THE AND} Couples Edition in this episode. Married for two years and together for five, they’ve navigated cultural differences, personal growth, and the challenges of building a life as equals and partners.They talk openly about communication, vulnerability, intimacy, and how they support and challenge eac
This Is the Beautiful Part of Us | {THE AND} Sabrina & Ryan
Sabrina (she/her) and Ryan (he/him) play the {THE AND} Couples Edition in this episode. They’ve been together for two and a half years. When they first met, both had recently lost people who mattered to them, and that shared moment shaped the way they connected.
In this conversation, they talk about what helps them feel safe, how they support each other, and the moments that guide their connection
What Keeps Us Strong After 15 Years | {THE AND} Dustin & Janae
Dustin (he/him) and Janae (she/her) play the {THE AND} Couples Edition card game in this episode. Together for fifteen years, their story is one of faith, perseverance, and partnership built over time.In this conversation, they open up about the moments that almost broke them and how choosing to keep showing up for each other changed everything. Janae talks about the weight Dustin carried for thei
How Love Guides Us Through Diabetes | Van & Sofi {THE AND} x Abbott x Libre
Van (he/him) lives with Type 2 diabetes. In this {THE AND} conversation, he sits with his 13-year-old daughter Sofi (she/her) to share the truth about fear, love, and family.
Van opens his heart about the future and asks the question that haunts him: “Am I going to be okay long term?” He speaks about the effort it takes each day to live with diabetes and the weight of stigma that follows him. Sof
Exes Meet For The First Time After 3 Years | {THE AND} Krystal & Steven (Part 1)
Krystal & Steven are one of our Community Favorites pairs with over 7 million views on YouTube!
They sat down for this conversation three years after ending their relationship of two years. Now, after living in different cities and barely speaking, they sit across from each other in a special two-part conversation to vulnerably explore the love they once shared, aftermath of their breakup, and wha
I Didn’t Know How Strong Our Love Was | {THE AND} Talecia & Nedra
Talecia (she/they) and Nedra (she/her) play the {THE AND} Couples Edition card game in this video. Together for two years, they met online and built a connection through humor, travel, fashion, and a shared love for good food.Their conversation is open and full of care. They talk about patience, vulnerability, and how they keep showing up for each other through challenges and change. This episode
Formerly Incarcerated Father Opens Up to Daughter | {THE AND} Mia & Khalil
This episode was published in October 2016, and it’s our most-watched conversation of all time on YouTube, with over 5.4 million views.
Mia & Khalil, a father and daughter separated for years by the federal prison system, discuss the hardship that has defined their relationship. 9 year old Mia bravely opens up about what it meant that her father was incarcerated, and Khalil, now a criminal justic
You See Me Beyond My Diagnosis | Abbott x Libre x {THE AND} Christelle & Niamkha
Christelle (she/her) & Niamkha (she/her) are lifelong friends from Haiti who sit down for an honest {THE AND} conversation about diabetes stigma and friendship.
Christelle opens up about living with Type 2 diabetes, a diagnosis she has kept private from most people, and the fear of being judged. Niamkha reflects on how hard it can be to understand something she hasn’t lived with, while showing su
{THE AND} x Abbott x Libre | Above the Bias: Let's End Diabetes Stigma
Behind every diagnosis lives a human story filled with resilience, struggle, and love. In this new collaboration with Abbott and Libre, The Skin Deep created {THE AND} conversations that confront diabetes stigma.
Parents and children, mothers and daughters, and best friends face one another with honest questions often left unspoken. They share fears, moments of care, and the relief of being seen
I Don't Feel Like A Father | {THE AND} Keisha & Andrew - Community Favorites
Community Favorites | Keisha (she/her) and Andrew (he/him) have a baby! During their seventh round on {THE AND} the couple talks about their new day to day dynamics with their 4 month baby girl. They discuss the different challenges of parenthood and their wishes for their newly grown family, how love grows in ways you didn’t think were possible, their immense and continuously expanding love for e
Our Love Didn't Follow The Rules | {THE AND} Sharnika & Mahala #Couples
Sharnika (she/her) and Mahala (she/her) have been married for two years. They share how they married quickly after only three months together when family rejection and homophobia made them choose safety and love over waiting. Their story shows how two women built a queer marriage based on honesty, care, and intention.They talk about faith, culture, and family. One wants children and the other does
This Is What Safe Love Feels Like | {THE AND} Taty & Dante - Community Favorites
Community favorites - In their three and a half years together, Taty (she/her) and Dante (he/him) have built an inspiringly safe and unconditional love. Their shared experiences, witnessing each other through highs and lows, have led to a deep understanding of each other's true selves. This conversation beautifully reflects the poetic and loving affirmations of two souls who profoundly appreciate
How We Keep Falling In Love | {THE AND} Amir & Aamir #Couple
Aamir (he/him) & Amir (he/him) play the {THE AND} Couples Edition card game in this video. They have been together for more than 10 years and share how their love continues to grow.They talk about creativity, cultural identity and visibility as queer South Asians. Amir performs as a drag queen and comedian. Aamir brings focus, discipline and spirituality. Together they mix humor and honesty to sho
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