
Exponential NEXT Podcast
Welcome to the Exponential NEXT Podcast where ministry and church leaders come together to discuss topics that give you a peek into the future of the church. At Exponential NEXT we focus on discovering what is coming NEXT for the future of the church that can lead to accelerating church multiplication. Join a community of kingdom-minded changemakers exploring innovative models, methods, and approaches for reaching, discipling, and mobilizing people with a strong focus on church planting, together. With new conversations every Wednesday, we will dive into topics we believe will help us all see what’s coming around the corner for the Church. Discover more about Exponential NEXT by visiting us at exponential.org/next.
Episodes

EP 127: Technology That Removes Barriers
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 127
Series: Church on the Frontier
Description:
Technology is not the mission, but it can help remove barriers the Church has tolerated for too long. Aiden Britnell of Kaleo AI and James Donley of OneChurch.io share how digital tools can increase accessibility, strengthen collaboration, and serve Gospel movement. From real-time translation that helps people partic

EP 126: Where God Is Already Stirring
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 126
Series: Church on the Frontier
Description:
What happens when the Church stops asking the next generation to come to us and begins recognizing where God is already at work among them? Michael Swalley of Break Free Ministries and Austin Rockwell of Kamp Love share how they are cultivating Jesus-centered communities within hip-hop culture and on college campuses

EP 125: Multiplication in Overlooked Places
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 125
Series: Church on the Frontier
Description:
Some of the Church’s most important innovation is happening in neighborhoods and congregations that rarely receive the spotlight. Dhati Lewis of MyBLVD and Doug Beutler of Seeds of Change Network discuss contextual discipleship, urban mission, and the untapped potential of smaller churches. Together, they challenge t

EP 124: Strengthening the Missionaries
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 124
Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too
Description:
In this closing episode, Dhati Lewis and Missie Branch reflect on the biggest themes from the series and explore why urban missionaries need intentional investment, coaching, community, and care to thrive for the long haul.
This conversation is part of a collaboration between E

EP 123: Becoming All Things
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 123
Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too
Description:
What does contextualization actually mean, and why does it matter in urban missions? Daniel Yang brings theological and cultural insight to the conversation, helping listeners understand how cities shape Gospel ministry today.
This conversation is part of a collaboration betwee

EP 122: The Complexity and Sustainability of the Call
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 122
Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too
Description:
What does it take to sustain ministry in today’s cities? In this two-part conversation, Dhati Lewis is joined by James Hobson and Pete Contreras to explore the realities of urban mission beyond traditional ministry models. From entrepreneurship, nonprofits, and creative funding

EP 121: Hyperlocal Mission
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 121
Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too
Description:
Dhati Lewis and Dale Huntington explore what it means to lead where you live, work, and worship. From neighborhood discipleship to navigating violence, addiction, and broken systems, this episode highlights the depth and complexity of hyperlocal ministry.
This conversation is p

EP 120: The Cost of Staying
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 120
Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too
Description:
In one of the most personal episodes of the series, Dhati and Angie Lewis open up about the emotional, relational, and spiritual costs of urban ministry and the unexpected gifts that come with it. Together, they reflect on what ministry in the city has cost them, what it has gi

EP 119: The Mission Field We Avoid
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 119
Series: Urban Missions 101: Why America’s Cities Need Missionaries Too
Description:
Why do we often think of missions as something that only happens overseas? In this episode, Dhati Lewis is joined by Missie Branch and Isaac Badaraco to help us rethink America’s cities as strategic mission fields and see urban missionaries through a new lens. Together, they ex

EP 118: Candid Conversation with Andrea Chung
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 118
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Description:
In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Andrea Chung shares her inspiring journey into ministry. She reflects on how a gentle prompting from God during a college summer break opened the door to a life of serving others, and how the faithful legacy of her father’s m

EP 117: Candid Conversation with Missie Branch
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 117
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Description:
In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Missie Branch shares her journey of faithfully walking with Jesus through various seasons of life, ministry, and leadership. From serving in a church plant to running a baking business to leading MyBLVD, Missie reflects on th

EP 116: Candid Conversation with Simi John
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 116
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Description:
In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Simi John shares her passion for preaching and teaching the Gospel both within the local church and through her professional vocation as a physical therapist. Simi reflects on her journey of immigrating from India, the ways G

EP 115: Candid Conversation with Ashley Weece
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 115
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Description:
In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Ashley Weece shares her journey of planting a church alongside her husband while raising a young family. With honesty and grace, she reflects on the joys and challenges of ministry, her passion for serving the Church, and the

EP 114: Candid Conversation with Vanessa Cruz
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 114
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Description:
In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, we are joined by Vanessa Cruz as shares thoughtful insights on the discipleship needs of the next generation. Drawing from her work with Urban Youth Workers Institute, she offers a compelling vision for whole-life discipleshi

Bonus Episode: 7 Disruptive Church Trends Defining 2026
Exponential NEXT Podcast Bonus Episode
Description:
What if the biggest shifts shaping the future of the Church are already happening…and most leaders are just starting to notice?
In this one-hour conversation, Dave Ferguson, Carey Nieuwhof, and Carrie Williams unpack the 7 Disruptive Church Trends Defining 2026…from the surprising rise of Gen Z faith to the quiet crisis of leadership pipelines,

EP 113: Candid Conversation with Jaime Levi
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 113
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Description:
In this episode of Candid Conversations About Women and the Church, Jaime Levi shares her journey of deconstruction, being drawn back to following Jesus through the genuine love of two co-workers. Jaime shares that early on her return to following Jesus she heard God say He was going to use h

EP 112: Exploring Affinity Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 112
Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting
Description:
What if church planting wasn’t tied to a place—but to a people? In this episode, we will explore anew the conversation surrounding the innovative world of affinity church planting—a model focused on reaching specific communities rather than geographic regions. Join us a

EP 111: Exploring Network Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 111
Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting
Description:
Can a church actually grow by getting smaller? Join Bill Couchenour as we revisit his discussion with Jason Shepperd, founder of Church Project in The Woodlands, Texas, to uncover the secrets to Network Church Planting. Explore the power of relational communities, disco

EP 110: Exploring Microchurch Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 110
Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting
Description:
Forget the building, forget the budget – what if all you needed was your neighbors? Come along as we explore this conversation again with Brian Johnson and Rob Wegner, leaders of the Kansas City Underground, as they share their powerful journey into microchurch pl

EP 109: Exploring Digital Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 109
Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting
Description:
What happens when church planting takes an unexpected turn—and it’s exactly what God intended? In this episode, join us as we take another look at the conversation between our hosts Carrie Williams and Bill Couchenour and Justin and Janae Klatt, founders of Imagine Chur

EP 108: Exploring Entrepreneurial Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 108
Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting
Description:
What if your church could fight hunger AND fuel your soul? Let’s revisit the forward-thinking approach of entrepreneurial church planting with our guests, Carl Johnson and Scott Woller. These innovative leaders are embedding their churches in the heart of their co

EP 107: Exploring Multisite Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 107
Series: Exploring Distinct Expressions Within the Landscape of Church Planting
Description:
Is your church ready to reach more people in more places? Join us as we revisit this conversation and dive into the world of multisite church with Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor of The Table Church. Drawing from her own leadership journey, Christy offers a behind-the-scenes

EP 106: Cultivating What Outlives You
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 106
Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry
Description:
In this episode, Patrick O’Connell and guest Andrew Hoffman discuss the evolution of church planting networks and the shift from isolated ministry to collaborative missional work.
Host:
Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director
Guest:
Andrew Hoffman, Bay Area Church Plant

EP 105: From Table to Impact
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 105
Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry
Description:
In this episode, Patrick O’Connell is joined by guest Corey Garris to explore the foundational role of networks in church multiplication. Garris, a leader with the Front Range Multiplication Network (FRMN) in Denver, shares insights on shifting from isolated ministry to collaborative

EP 104: Pruning for Maturity
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 104
Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry
Description:
In this episode, Patrick O’Connell speaks with Eric Metcalf, a leader with Exponential and the Chicagoland Collective, about the vital role and challenges of network leadership in church multiplication.
Host:
Patrick O’Connell, Networks NEXT, Director
Guest:
Eric Metcalf,

EP 103: Designed for Pollination
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 103
Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry
Description:
In this episode, Patrick O’Connell and Rodrigo Cano explore the transition from isolated to collaborative ministry through the power of networks. Rodrigo shares his extensive experience managing microchurches and leading the Chicagoland Collective, highlighting how shared Kingdo

EP 102: Soil Before Seed
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 102
Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry
Description:
In this episode of the Networks NEXT Series, Patrick O’Connell is joined by Selena Freeman, Church Multiplication Catalyst for the Church of the Nazarene. Patrick and Selena dive into a conversation that helps leaders see that networks don’t start with strategy – the

EP 101: The Lie of Going It Alone
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 101
Series: From Soil to Forest: The Practice of Networked Ministry
Description:
In this first episode, Patrick O’Connell, Director of Networks NEXT, talks with Mark Neal, COO of Apsire Network and Co-Founder of Clarity Ministries. The conversation in this episode centers around moving from an isolated ministry toward a mission-oriented community and calling

EP 100: Is Using AI Sinful? 10 Must-Ask Questions About AI in Ministry
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 100
Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI
Description:
AI is here, and your congregation has questions. Is it a sin to use it? Will AI replace jobs? And what about your kids using it?
Nils Smith, VP of Marketing for Faith Driven Entrepreneur and founder of Amplify Social Media, walks through the top 10 questions pastors are being asked about artificial intelligen

EP 99: How Eleven22’s AI Strategy Saves Thousands And Disciples More People
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 99
Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI
Description: Jay Owen, Chief of Ministry Staff at Church of Eleven22, shares how his team builds custom ministry apps in hours using AI-powered tools. His church now creates software solutions for under $3 that used to cost tens of thousands of dollars and take weeks to develop.
In this practical episode, Jay walks through

EP 98: AI Jiu-Jitsu: How Pastors Can Own the Data and Beat the Robots at Their Own Game
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 98
Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI
Description: AI is a “force multiplier” for the Kingdom, but instead of being a friend or an enemy, you should make AI your frenemy. In this episode, Jason Morris introduces the “Art of AI Jiu-Jitsu”, teaching pastors how to use AI as an “adversarial network” to leverage its power while

EP 97: Thinking Biblically About AI for Your Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 97
Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI
Title: Chad Williams, CEO of FiveQ agency, provides a comprehensive biblical framework for evaluating AI and technology in ministry. Drawing from Scripture, he traces technology through creation, fall, and redemption to help church leaders make wise decisions about emerging tools.
In this episode, Chad addresses the questi

EP 96: The #1 AI Trend Every Pastor Must Pay Attention To (And Learn In 2026)
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 96
Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI
Title: AI just removed the technology barrier that’s been killing your best ministry ideas.
You’ve had this idea for months. A better way to equip parents. A simple volunteer system. A tool that helps your people apply Scripture to daily life. You can see it clearly. You know it would work.
But then: “Tha

EP 95: How to Get Started with Agentic AI for Your Church and Ministry
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 95
Series: Thinking Ahead: Pastors and AI
Title: How to Get Started with Agentic AI for Your Church and Ministry
Natchi Lazarus breaks down agentic AI in plain language for church leaders who want practical solutions, not complicated tech jargon.
Discover how AI agents work 24/7 on your behalf—creating content, posting to social media, and tracking results while y

Team Development in a Multiethnic Church Context
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 94
Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches
Title: Team Development in a Multiethnic Church Context
Unity matters in every church: but in a multiethnic church, cultivating a unified staff is both more challenging and more consequential. In this episode, we share transferable truths and practical insights to help leaders build effective, mission-aligned mul

Community Engagement: Beyond Rhetoric to Results
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 93
Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches
Title: Community Engagement: Beyond Rhetoric to Results
Pastors often say, “We’re going to take this city for Christ.” But have we ever actually seen that happen? And many churches claim to love their city—but does the city love the church back? In this episode, we’re joined by proven practitioners who share acti

Theological Insights for Building a Healthy Multiethnic Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 92
Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches
Title: Theological Insights for Building a Healthy Multiethnic Church
New Testament churches were intentionally multiethnic. They were envisioned by Christ in John 17, described by Luke in Acts 11, and prescribed by the apostle Paul throughout his life and writings. In this episode, credible practitioners and sch

Multiethnic Church Planting, Growth, and Development
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 91
Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches
Title: Multiethnic Church Planting, Growth, & Development
Every church planter faces challenges. Those planting multiethnic churches face even more. Where does the passion come from, and how does the vision become reality? This conversation offers practical insight and quotable wisdom for leaders pursuing hea

Transitioning from Homogeneity to Healthy Multiethnicity
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 90
Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches
Title: Transitioning from Homogeneity to Healthy Multiethnicity
In this episode experienced practitioners consider the how and what of transitioning a homogenous church into a healthy multiethnic church. Among other things, we explore personal calling, receptivity of denominational churches of over 100 years, pro

Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches: Sociological Insights
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 89
Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches
Title: Sociological Insights: Evaluating the Movement Past, Present, and Future
Join sociologists Michael Emerson and Geoge Yancey to consider the history and trajectory of the Multiethnic Church Movement from the late 1990s to the present day. The conversation explores pains and gains over the past twenty-five y

Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches: Developing Your CQ
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 88
Series: Multiplying Healthy Multiethnic Churches
Title: Developing Your CQ®
This episode dives deep into the why, how, and what of developing Cultural Intelligence (CQ®). The conversation explores the four components of CQ—Drive, Knowledge, Strategy, and Action—and explains how pastors, staff teams, and entire churches can strengthen their CQ. With actionable i

Ministry Reimagined
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 87
Series: Ministry Reimagined
What does it look like to disciple deeply and see that impact multiply widely across communities?
In this challenging and hope-filled episode, host Tom Planck, Director of NEXT Ventures, is joined by Walter Harvey of the Wi+H Movement and Paul Watson of the Freedom Initiative. Together, they share innovative, context-specific approac

Ministry Reimagined
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 86
Series: Ministry Reimagined
What will it take to raise up the next generation of Kingdom leaders—and how can the Church equip them to thrive?
In this visionary and practical episode, Tom Planck is joined by three catalytic leaders who are deeply invested in multiplying healthy, mission-driven leadership: Jon Wiest of Mobilize the Church, Steve Pike of Urban Isl

Ministry Reimagined
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 85
Series: Ministry Reimagined
What does meaningful ministry look like for the next generation?
In this energizing and insightful episode, Tom Planck is joined by Olivia Williamson of Claim Your Campus and Emma Tautolo of AZ Reach, two leaders who are deeply invested in raising up Gen Z through prayer, leadership, and holistic community engagement.
Olivia shares h

Ministry Reimagined
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 84
Series: Ministry Reimagined
What if evangelism wasn’t just about sharing the message of Jesus—but about sharing life with others?
In this inspiring and deeply practical episode, host Tom Planck is joined by Akie Hadeed, Founder of Streets of Prayer, and Molly Soderstrom, Co-Founder and Executive Director of The Brook. Together, they explore the transformative p

Ministry Reimagined
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 83
Series: Ministry Reimagined
What does ministry look like when the church goes beyond four walls and into the digital world?
In this thought-provoking and timely episode, host Tom Planck sits down with Anne Bosarge, founder of Digital Discipleship and Mark Lutz, Founder and Lead Pastor of Lux Digital Church, to explore how technology is reshaping the way we reac

Ministry Reimagined
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 82
Series: Ministry Reimagined
What happens when the Church doesn’t wait for people to come but goes to where they already are?
In this insightful and energizing episode hosted by Tom Planck, Director of NEXT Ventures, sits down with Drew Cline of South City 2.0/317 Coffee & Cafe and Shane Boyd of Gathering of Nomads to explore what it truly means to be a sent

A Called Generation
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 81
Series: A Called Generation
Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode welcomes Austin Rockwell, founder of Kamp Love and leader with Nissi Young Adults. Austin is a passionate disciple-maker whose journey has shaped thriving ministries for college students and young adults across the country.
Every calling comes with a cost

A Called Generation
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 80
Series: A Called Generation
Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features Rachel McCord, celebrity entrepreneur, speaker, author, founder of Holy Spirit Vibe and The McCord List, and a shining example of resilience, faith, and bold living.
You are made for more and you don’t have to play small.
In this motivating episo

A Called Generation
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 79
Series: A Called Generation
Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features Cheryl Nembhard, Executive Director of the Women’s Speaker Collective.
Where you are is not an accident; it’s an assignment.
Carrie and Cheryl explore what it truly means to embrace the power of your current position, no matter how grand, o

A Called Generation
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 78
Series: A Called Generation
Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode welcomes Will Garinger, the visionary founder of Run With Christ (RWC), a movement that’s united thousands of runners in faith and fitness across North America and beyond.
Passion is more than a feeling. It’s a compass pointing you toward your calling.
In

A Called Generation
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 77
Series: A Called Generation
Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential NEXT, this episode features special guest Ali Parsons, licensed minister at the Church of Eleven22 and founder and host of the podcast, ‘Neighbors’.
Your personality isn’t an obstacle; it’s a clue to your calling.
In this engaging episode, Carrie and Ali explore

A Called Generation
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 76
Series: A Called Generation
Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential, this episode features special guest Elyse Mahan, preacher, campus pastor at Church For The One, author, and well-known encourager with a story as real as it gets.
Every setback, every victory, every messy middle – none of it was wasted.
In this candid and hope-filled

A Called Generation
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 75
Series: A Called Generation
Hosted by Carrie Williams, Executive Director of Exponential, with special guest Brad Lomenick, leadership consultant, speaker, founder of BLINC, and author of The Catalyst Leader and H3 Leadership, this episode kicks off the series with a powerful reminder:
Purpose is the why. Calling is the how.
You were born for this moment. In th

Church Expressions NEXT
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 74
Series: Church Expressions NEXT
What if church planting wasn’t tied to a place—but to a people? In this episode, we explore the innovative world of affinity church planting—a model focused on reaching specific communities rather than geographic regions. Join us as we hear from Stephen Barr, founder of Cast Member Church, which ministers to Walt Disney Company e

Church Expressions NEXT
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 73
Series: Church Expressions NEXT
Can a church actually grow by getting smaller? Join Bill Couchenour as he sits down with Jason Shepperd, founder of Church Project in The Woodlands, Texas, to uncover the secrets to Network Church Planting. Explore the power of relational communities, discover how to cultivate leaders from within, and learn how to use your church

Church Expressions NEXT
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 72
Series: Church Expressions NEXT
Forget the building, forget the budget – what if all you needed was your neighbors? Join Brian Johnson and Rob Wegner, leaders of the Kansas City Underground, as they share their powerful journey into microchurch planting. The Kansas City Underground equips people to live as missionaries in their own networks through rhythm

Church Expressions NEXT
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 71
Series: Church Expressions NEXT
What happens when church planting takes an unexpected turn—and it’s exactly what God intended? In this episode, hosts Carrie Williams and Bill Couchenour talk with Justin and Janae Klatt, founders of Imagine Church Global, a fully digital faith community born from obedience and innovation. What began as a traditional church plant

Church Expressions NEXT
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 70
Series: Church Expressions NEXT
What if your church could fight hunger AND fuel your soul? Discover the forward-thinking approach of entrepreneurial church planting with our guests, Carl Johnson and Scott Woller. These innovative leaders are embedding their churches in the heart of their communities, using coffee shops, grocery stores, and workforce development

Church Expressions NEXT
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 69
Series: Church Expressions NEXT
Is your church ready to reach more people in more places? Dive into the world of multisite church with Christy Gibas, Lead Pastor of The Table Church. Drawing from her own leadership journey, Christy offers a behind-the-scenes look at how her church has reproduced its ministry into multiple locations. She unpacks the vision, stra

Church Expressions NEXT
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 68
Series: Church Expressions NEXT
In this episode, join hosts Carrie Williams and Bill Couchenour as they sit down with Léonce Crump—Co-Founder and Senior Pastor of United Church—for an honest and inspiring conversation about traditional church planting. From his journey in the NFL to his calling into vocational ministry, Léonce opens up about the path that led h

Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 67
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
In this episode Inés Velásquez-McBryd shares her journey to becoming a church planter and lead pastor. She also shares about the lessons learned and the community impact of leading a church through challenging seasons!
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Hosts:
Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director
Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Directo

Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 66
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
What does it mean to go first—when no one who looks like you has gone before? In this episode of the the series, Sue and Lori talk with Rev. Dr. Kate Coleman—the first Black woman ordained as a Baptist minister in the UK—and Rev. Cham Kaur-Mann—the first and only Asian woman minister in the Baptist Union o

Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 65
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Molly answered God’s call to move her family to Denver with a heart for reaching the lonely and lost young adults living there. By using some need unique connecting strategies that do not include Sunday gatherings Molly and her team are having a huge impact through The Brook. Molly also shares some v

Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 64
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
To fully represent the Imago Dei it requires both men and women stepping into their calling and using thier gifts. Join us as we have a candid conversation with two amazing leaders doing just that!
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Hosts:
Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director
Lori Ruffin, Women NEXT, Co-Director
Guests:
Efrem Smith

Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 63
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
While many of us lead within our church community, Mimi Chan felt God calling her to lead in her corporate job at Amazon! In this episode Mimi will share how God led her to start Christians at Amazon, and how He has grown into a international movement!
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Hosts:
Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director
L

Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 62
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Sometimes ministry takes a turn we didn’t expect. Sometimes that change leaves us lost, hurting, and even angry. In this episode, Katrina Boatright shares what God taught her about finding healing and new purpose after an unexpected turn.
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Hosts:
Sue Ferguson, Women NEXT, Co-Director
Lori Ruff

Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 61
Series: Candid Conversations About Women and the Church
In ministry, change is to be expected. We watch people come and go, leaders change lanes, and even the structures of our ministries or churches change. But what is it like to navigate our own transitions out of long held roles into new God-given opportunities? Join Lori, Sue, and guest Janet McMahon as the

Digital Discipleship Series
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 60
Series: Digital Discipleship
Being part of a church is so much more than just consuming spiritual content. Yet, we all know there are people—both online and in person—who are simply there to consume.
In this conversation with Matt Welty, we discuss how Crossroads Church in Cincinnati got into online ministry and how Matt has pioneered the Crossroads Anywhere in

Digital Discipleship Series
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 59
Series: Digital Discipleship
From a landlocked church in rural Indiana, Tyler Sansom has led First Capital Church and Church Anywhere to plant campuses around the world—despite limited resources, but with incredible impact.
In this conversation, we explore how digital tools like Church Anywhere’s web platform are bringing the Gospel to the nations. Tyler’s stor

Digital Discipleship Series
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 58
Series: Digital Discipleship
We’re at the dawn of a new era of personalized technological intelligence, and the possibilities are startling. From AI-driven innovations to groundbreaking applications in ministry, the future is unfolding faster than we ever imagined.
Join us for a conversation with Kenny Jahng, a leader on the cutting edge of AI, as he unpacks ho

Digital Discipleship Series
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 57
Series: Digital Discipleship
How do we theologically navigate a world where we are creating a new form of intelligence in our own image? With the rise of AI and large language models, the Church must wrestle with profound questions about technology, humanity, and faith.
Join us for a thought-provoking conversation with philosopher and theologian York Moore as w

Digital Discipleship Series
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 56
Series: Digital Discipleship
You might not expect someone who has managed billions of dollars in church building projects to be passionate about digital ministry—but Nathan Artt is. Having experienced its impact firsthand, he sees digital ministry as a vital part of the church’s future, both online and in physical spaces.
Join us for a fascinating conversation

Digital Discipleship Series
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 55
Series: Digital Discipleship
Live streaming is just the beginning—true digital ministry goes far beyond broadcasting. Join us for a conversation with Jason Morris as we explore how to move beyond the livestream and into authentic, transformative discipleship in the online space.
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Host:
Mark Lutz, Digital Church NEXT, Director
Guest:
Jason Morris, The Chu

Digital Discipleship Series
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 54
Series: Digital Discipleship
Saddleback Church is one of the most influential churches in the world, and for years, Jay Kranda has been at the forefront of its digital ministry. With unparalleled experience in leading online church communities, Jay has helped shape the future of digital discipleship.
Join us for an insightful conversation as we discuss the evol

Multiethnic Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 53
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting
For this episode, join our conversation with missiologist Daniel Yang as he shares how the world is coming to us through immigration. We also talk about the tremendous need and value of planting immigrant churches, as well as ethnic specific churches, to reach all the nations.
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Hosts:
Len Tang – Multiethnic Churc

Multiethnic Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 52
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting
In this episode, sociologist Korie Little shares her research and practical insights into how planters of color can heal and overcome the racial challenges to lead healthy multiethnic churches.
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Hosts:
Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, Director
Corey Lee – Fuller Church Planting Initiative, Direc

Multiethnic Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 51
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting
In this conversation, Troy Evans shares that, in a time of diminishing congregational giving, multiethnic planters need strong partnerships to develop multiple streams of income. We’ll explore examples of life-giving partnerships and emerging funding models to launch financially healthy churches, including intentional b

Multiethnic Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 50
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting
In this episode, we welcome Soong-Chan Rah as he shares his insights on how multiethnic church plants can draw out the distinctive gifts and strengths of the congregation. Learn how multiethnic church plants can integrate the reconcilation and justice of Jesus with a winsome evangelistic witness.
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Hosts:
Len Tang ̵

Multiethnic Church Planting
Exponential NEXT Podcast Episode 49
Series: Multiethnic Church Planting
Join us as Len Tang and Corey Lee have a conversation with Heidy Tandy, Senior Director of Discovery at Stadia. Heidy shares what Stadia has learned from revamping their church planter assessment process to include diverse planters and church planting models.
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Hosts:
Len Tang – Multiethnic Church Planting NEXT, D











