Bodies Behind The Bus
Bodies Behind The Bus is a podcast that features the voices of spiritual abuse survivors. It began with stories from the Acts 29 network and has since expanded to include accounts from many other organizations. The show explores experiences of abuse, gaslighting, manipulation, and betrayal within religious contexts. Survivors share how their stories were stolen and their voices suppressed, and the podcast aims to help them reclaim their narratives. It emphasizes that being discarded or harmed is not the gospel.
Episodes
Skyla's Story / YWAM Kona, HI
Skyla shares her story of serving on a team called End Bible Poverty Now at Youth With A Mission's (YWAM) Kona campus in Hawaii, where she pushed leadership to support outreach to deaf communities. When she raised the issue, she was accused of being rude for crying and told she needed more discipleship. Skyla describes being tested, gaslit, and slowly pushed off her team, all while a separate
Shelby's Story / YWAM / Switzerland / Pt. 2
Shelby returns to finish her story of leaving Youth With A Mission (YWAM) after almost 20 years. Two friends she trusted rise to lead her base, and when she raises concerns about how they treat people, she is accused of attacking them. She is pushed off a program she built, then invited onto their leadership team to quiet her down instead. She takes a sabbatical during the pandemic and starts nami
Shelby's Story / YWAM / Switzerland / Pt. 1
Shelby joins us to share her story of almost 20 years with Youth With A Mission (YWAM), a Christian missions group with bases in nearly every country. She signs up at 24 to earn a counseling degree, hoping to help missionaries get better care. Instead, she is pushed to share painful secrets with strangers, watches a visiting speaker ask young women to sit on his lap for healing, and lives under a
Intro To Stories From YWAM: Loren Cunningham And The Seven Mountain Mandate (Updated)
In this episode, Jay and Johnna introduce a new series featuring first hand stories from Youth With A Mission (YWAM). Before the storytellers share what happened to them, we take a step back and look at the roots. We cover who Loren Cunningham was, the Assemblies of God upbringing that shaped him, and how YWAM grew from a beach vision into a network of thousands of bases around the world with no c
ATBS "American Dominion: The Rise and Radicalization of a New Christendom" w/ Keri Ladner
Keri Ladner is the author of American Dominion: The Rise and Radicalization of a New Christendom. Her book traces the roots of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) and Dominion theology in the United States. She began her research while studying the Columbine shooting and how it was later used to build the martyr myths tied to this movement. Ladner also writes about these topics on Substack.America
Bel's Story / Sydney Anglican Diocese
Bel joins us from Australia to share her story of growing up in a church in the Sydney Anglican Diocese. When she was six, she nearly died in an accident at church. Soon after, her family moved to a new church led by a man we call Rev T. He called himself a counselor and claimed he could help people no doctor could. Bel describes a community shaped by control, fear, and the constant feeling of bei
Jane's Story / Chi Alpha / Assemblies of God
In this episode, our storyteller Jane shares her years inside Chi Alpha, the college campus ministry of the Assemblies of God (AG). What began as a warm, welcoming community slowly turned into something else. Jane describes the pressure to lead, the strict rules over her time, friendships, money, and even her food and health, and the spiritual control that kept her silent for years.She walks us th
Michelle’s Story / IN
Michelle shares her story of serving on staff at a church in Indiana, where subtle control, blurred pastoral authority, financial pressure, and spiritual manipulation slowly became clear over time. Her story names the confusion of being labeled, silenced, and pushed to question herself while navigating deep personal and family crisis. Through telling the truth, Michelle begins reclaiming the voice
Katie’s Story / The Austin Stone
Katie shares her story of growing up in a highly controlled religious environment, entering a young marriage shaped by strict gender roles, and spending years overseas as a missionary. Through the pressures of ministry, isolation, and motherhood, she began to recognize patterns of emotional and spiritual harm in her life. This episode follows her journey of unraveling those beliefs, finding her vo
Katherine's Story / Austin Stone Church
Katherine shares her journey from a young missionary sent overseas to confronting the realities of faith, sacrifice, and survival. Raised in the church and driven by a deep sense of purpose, she and her husband moved to the Middle East in their early twenties, navigating cultural barriers, personal risk, and the complexities of mission work. After experiencing trauma, health crises, and the unrave
Dominique's Story / The Austin Stone
Dominique shares her experience at The Austin Stone, where she became deeply involved in church life, missions, and leadership development as a young woman. In this episode, she reflects on the pressure, isolation, racial dynamics, and harmful church culture she encountered, and why telling the truth about those experiences matters.Support the show
Alicia's Story / OH
Alicia served for years as both a volunteer leader and staff member at a growing non-denominational church in Ohio. After becoming deeply involved in ministry and church leadership, she began noticing troubling patterns within the church’s culture and leadership structure. In this episode, Alicia courageously shares her story and reflects on the impact spiritual manipulation can have on individual
Julia’s Story / PA
In this episode of Bodies Behind the Bus, Julia shares her story of becoming involved in an Acts 29 affiliated church plant that gradually shifted from hopeful beginnings into a culture of control, blurred boundaries, and spiritual harm. As she navigated marriage struggles, postpartum depression, and increasing pressure from church leadership, Julia began to see how manipulation, unmet promises, a
ATBS: w/ Ciji Wagner
In this episode of Bodies Behind the Bus, we’re joined by Ciji, founder of Louder Than Silence, an organization providing free, trauma-specific care and community for survivors of sexual violence. Together, we explore what trauma-informed spaces actually look like, the difference between big-T and little-t trauma, and how harm often compounds in faith communities through misplaced authority, lack
Convo w/ Christy & Joshua Pt 3
In the final episode of this three-part series, Christy and Joshua come together to reflect on the shared impact of spiritual abuse and the long road toward truth and healing. Their conversation explores how harm reverberates through relationships, what accountability should look like, and what it means to move forward without erasing what happened. This closing chapter centers survivor clarity, c
Christy's Story / Anaheim, CA Pt 2
In Episode 2 of this three-part series, Christy shares her story of spiritual harm, silence, and survival within church systems that protected power over people. She reflects on the personal cost of being unheard, the impact on identity and faith, and the long road toward naming what happened. Christy’s testimony deepens the series by centering the lived experience of abuse and the courage it take
Joshua’s Story / Anaheim, CA Pt 1
In Episode 1 of this three-part series, Joshua shares his story of spiritual harm, silencing, and the cost of telling the truth inside church systems built to protect power. His testimony traces the personal and relational fallout of abuse, the pressure to stay quiet, and the long road toward clarity and agency. This episode centers Joshua’s voice and sets the foundation for the series to come.Sup
DACA FAMILY SUPPORT FUND w/ Caleb Campbell
DACA Family Support FundIn this episode of Bodies Behind the Bus, hosts Johnna and Jay sit down with author and pastor Caleb Campbell, author of Disarming Leviathan: Loving Your Christian Nationalist Neighbor. Together, they discuss faith, justice, and compassion in the face of political division, as well as their joint fundraiser supporting a DACA recipient fighting to stay with their family in t
Just Calling "Decolonizing our Budgets"
In this episode of Just Calling, hosts Johnna and Jay continue their conversation with author and justice advocate Joash Thomas about his book The Justice of Jesus. Together, they unpack what it means to “decolonize our budgets” exploring how faith, money, and justice intersect within the modern church. The discussion challenges listeners to reimagine generosity, confront systems of privilege, and
Just Calling “Empire, Propaganda, & Protecting the Flock”
In this Just Calling episode, the hosts talk about empire, power, and how faith communities are being influenced by political systems. The conversation unpacks a recent government filing showing efforts to target U.S. churches through digital campaigns and explores what faithful resistance looks like today.FARA filingAcross The Divide PodcastThe Justice of JesusSupport the show
Cameron’s Story / Peoria, AZ
In this episode, Cameron shares his powerful story of serving for sixteen years at one of Arizona’s largest megachurches, a place where faith, control, and fear collided. From witnessing the enforcement of “alignment” policies to experiencing personal retaliation and deep spiritual betrayal, Cameron opens up about what it meant to lose his community while finding his voice. His courage sheds light
Introducing Just Calling w/ Joash Thomas & BBTB
Introducing Just Calling — In this first episode of the series, Bodies Behind the Bus sits down with author and advocate Rev. Joash Thomas to talk about his new book The Justice of Jesus. Together, we explore what it means to move from diagnosis to a hopeful prognosis for the church, diving into themes of justice, decolonization, and the everyday choices that shape faithful living.www.joashpthomas
ATBS: "Escaping Theonomy’s Grip" w/ The Bronson's
In this episode of At the Bus Stop, we sit down with David and Margaret Bronson to uncover the dangers of Theonomy, Christian Reconstructionism, and the influence of leaders like Doug Wilson. The Bronsons share their personal experiences, explain how these teachings shape churches and politics, and discuss the lasting impact on survivors. They also highlight their work with Deconstruction Doulas a
ATBS: “Recovering from Purity Culture” w/ Dr. Camden Morgante
In this episode of Bodies Behind the Bus, we sit down with Dr. Camden Morgante, a licensed psychologist, author, and speaker. Dr. Camden is the author of Recovering from Purity Culture, a book that helps individuals move beyond harmful teachings and begin the journey of healing. She shares insights from her work with clients, her own experiences, and her research into purity culture, offering a co
ATBS: “Debriefing The Stone’s Statement” w/ Robert & Eric
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Kenny’s Story / The Austin Stone
In this episode of the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast, Kenny shares his experience in the worship residency program at The Austin Stone. He recounts his initial passion for ministry, his transition from law school ambitions to church work, and the realities of support-raising, manual labor, and lack of mentorship during his time in the program. Kenny also reflects on his concerns with the church’s
James’s Story / The Austin Stone
James shares his experience with the Austin Stone church, including his early motivations for moving to Austin, the challenges he faced as a Mexican American in a predominantly white evangelical institution, and the barriers to leadership he encountered despite his qualifications. He discusses his experience raising support, internal cultural tensions, tokenism, health struggles tied to workplace
Kelley’s Story / The Austin Stone
Kelley joins the podcast to share her experience as both a former member of the Austin Stone church and staff member of its affiliated nonprofit, For the City. She discusses the church’s culture, internal power dynamics, financial mismanagement, and the challenges of working within a complementarian system. Kelley reflects on her personal story of spiritual and emotional harm, organizational dysfu
Ben’s Story / The Austin Stone
Ben joins the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast to share his experience at Austin Stone Church, a large SBC-affiliated church in Austin, Texas. He reflects on his decade-long involvement, including leadership roles and the creation of a ministry for LGBTQIA+ individuals. The conversation explores church culture, leadership dynamics, personal transformation, and the challenges of reconciling faith with
B’s Story / The Austin Stone
In this episode of Bodies Behind the Bus, B shares her deeply personal story about the emotional toll of navigating immigration, identity, and faith. B recounts her years at the Austin Stone Church in Austin, Texas, where she joined a residency program to serve the local Latino community, only to face institutional racism, cultural insensitivity, and burnout. Her story highlights the disconnect be
Intro to Stories from The Austin Stone
In this episode, Johnna & Jay introduce a new four-part series investigating The Austin Stone Church in Austin, Texas. Joined by Board member Emily, they discuss the church’s influential role in evangelical culture, its connections to Acts 29 and the SBC, and a troubling pattern of abuse, cover-ups, and systemic harm within its leadership and programs. The episode highlights the church’s publi
ATBS - The SBC Is Still Failing Survivors
In this episode, Jay and Johnna debrief the 2025 Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting. They discuss why Johnna chose to attend alone, the deaths of two high-profile survivors—Jennifer Lyell and Duane Rollins—and the emotional and physical toll survivor advocacy has taken. They reflect on the SBC’s failure to follow through on promised reforms, the lack of accountability, and the ongoing harm
BBTB - From Treaties To Tear Gas
This episode examines the legacy of the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and draws a clear line from that policy to other moments of systemic injustice in American history—slavery, Japanese internment, discriminatory policing, and modern ICE raids. Through historical analysis and personal reflection, Jay challenges the narrative of American exceptionalism, exposes the role of the white church in reinfor
ATBS “Church Discipline” w/ Mollie Callahan
Mollie Callahan, spiritual director and seminary student, joins to discuss the misuse of church discipline, its harmful impact, and how scripture has often been misapplied in these situations. She examines 1 Corinthians 5, Matthew 18, and stories like the woman caught in adultery, Zacchaeus, and the woman at the well to reframe church discipline through the lens of Jesus’ compassion, agency, and p
Joyce’s Story / PCA / FL
In this episode, Joyce shares her story of involvement in a PCA church in Florida and how her experience of marriage, faith, and community unfolded over more than a decade. She describes the early support her family received, her deep investment in church life, and how that shifted when she began raising concerns about her marriage. Joyce outlines the church’s response, her efforts to seek counsel
ATBS: “Holy Paranoia” W/ Jared Stacy
In this “At the Bus Stop” episode, Dr. Jared Stacy, a theologian and ethicist, joins Johnna and Jay to unpack the link between conspiracy theories, Christian nationalism, and the culture of abuse within white evangelical spaces. Drawing from his personal experience and academic research, Jared explores how storytelling shapes power, how conspiracy theories thrive in religious communities, and why
Seth’s Story / Columbus, OH
Be sure to listen to episode 79 “Alicia’s Story” to hear about her experience with this same pastor. Alicia’s Story: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/alicias-story-columbus-oh/id1601586078?i=1000663185044Support the show
ATBS: Community, Accountability, and Care
In this community conversation, the team from Bodies Behind the Bus responds to recent events involving The New Evangelicals and the release of a NetGrace investigation. They share their perspectives on accountability, integrity, and the responsibility of platforms in survivor spaces.Allegations against Tim Whitaker and The New Evangelicals show how hierarchy transfers to progressive ministries |
ATBS: “Becoming the Pastor’s Wife” w/ Beth Allison Barr
Buy the book here! Becoming the Pastor's Wife: How Marriage Replaced Ordination as a Woman's Path to Ministry by Beth Allison Barr, Hardcover | Barnes & Noble®In this episode of The Bodies Behind the Bus Podcast, we welcome Beth Allison Barr, historian, professor, and author of The Making of Biblical Womanhood and her latest book, Becoming the Pastor’s Wife. Beth shares her insights
ATBS - “Fundie Cult Beliefs Going Mainstream w/ Christian Nationalism” ft. Margaret Bronson & Eric Isaac
This episode of Bodies Behind the Bus features Margaret Bronson and Eric Isaac discussing the rise of Christian nationalism and its intersection with fundamentalist cult beliefs. Margaret shares insights from her experience in a high-control religious group, highlighting issues of female subjugation, the quiverfull movement, lack of education, and financial entrapment. Eric connects these experien
ATBS: “The Spirit of Justice” w/ Jemar Tisby
Subscribe to Jemar’s Substack Here: Footnotes by Jemar Tisby | Jemar Tisby, PhD | SubstackBuy “The Spirit of Justice” https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-spirit-of-justice-stories-of-faith-race-and-resistance-jemar-tisby/20859536?ean=9780310144854“I Am the Spirit of Justice” for kids ages 4-7 https://bookshop.org/p/books/i-am-the-spirit-of-justice-jemar-tisby/21291875?ean=9780310145561“Stories of The
Gracia’s Story / IHOPKC / Kansas City, MO
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Crissie & Walker’s Story / Chapel Hill Bible Church / North Carolina Pt 3
Walker contact: walkerbbtb@gmail.comCrissie contact: inspiredifferences@gmail.comLink to Transcript from Concerned Congregant meeting (200 in attendance) - October 2021https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MUJ_ri2nuRP2vnAf6oU1iXIGljSVFHu3/view?usp=sharingCongregant Feedback Survey (leadership stated they didn't think there were any concerns following the October meeting, and then refused to start
Crissie & Walker’s Stories / Chapel Hill Bible Church / North Carolina Pt 2
Walker contact: walkerbbtb@gmail.comCrissie contact: inspiredifferences@gmail.comNDA document -https://drive.google.com/file/d/11mn6mrHTZ4VVvEQAUHZnqwCgRd5IHlaS/view?usp=sharingFind more information, and future stories here - https://chapelillbiblechurch.org/ Keep up with all things on X @CHBConfidential Support the show
Crissie’s Story / Chapel Hill Bible Church / North Carolina
Chapel Hill Bible Church: Pastor Eric McKiddie Is Gone and Pastor Jay Thomas Is Under Fire - thewartburgwatch.comChapel Hill Bible Church: A Petition Signed by 78 and the Use of NDAs to Keep Things on the Down Low. What’s Going On With the Leaders? - thewartburgwatch.comProminent North Carolina Church Embroiled in Controversy Following Alleged Abuse & 3 Investigations - julieroys.comChapel Hil
Gabby’s Story / Fusion, Spurgeon College
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Sustaining BBTB 2025 & Beyond
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Grace & Dave’s Story, WI, EFCA
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ATBS | Election Debrief w/ the Board
Watch the video of this episode HERESupport the Podcast HEREIn this episode, the Bodies Behind the Bus board gathers to discuss the heavy realities of navigating faith, justice, and advocacy in a fractured America. They explore the impact of systemic religious abuse, the emboldening of harmful rhetoric, and the personal toll of continuing to fight for marginalized communities. The episode is a can
ATBS "The American Evangelical Abuse Crisis & Its Ties to Christian Nationalism” w/ Tiffany Thigpen
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ATBS “Understanding Spiritual Abuse” w/ Eric Isaac
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ATBS “Fire in the Whole” w/ Robert Callahan
Fire In The Whole Book LinkRobert Callahan's LinktreeSupport the show
ATBS w/ Dave Pittman
Episode Resources:https://www.netgrace.org/resources/to-suffer-in-silenceMale Survivor Stories - DAVID PITTMANhttps://together-we-heal.orghttps://www.netgrace.org/independent-investigationsSupport the show
Amy & Simon’s Story/ Edgefield Nashville
Wartburg Watch: https://thewartburgwatch.com/2024/07/19/an-sbc-and-9-marks-church-edgefield-nashville-appeared-to-allow-a-violent-convicted-pedophile-michael-brake-considerable-freedom-in-the-church-for-years-could-there-be-other-victims/Simon’s blog: https://cheapgrace.substack.com/Dave Pittman NetGRACE video: https://youtu.be/26E4bRweK6E?feature=sharedSupport the show
ATBS w/ Cassie Kirby, MA, LPCC
Ep Resources:Mental Health/PsychologyParenting from the Inside Out by Dan Siegel and Mary HartzellOn Grief and Grieving by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross and David KesslerShe Deserves Better by Sheila Wray Gregoire, Rebecca Gregoire Lindenbach, and Joanna SawatskyWorthy by Elyse Fitzpatrick and Eric Schumacher (this is the book I couldn’t remember in the podcast!)The Body Keeps the Score by Bessell van der
The Friend’s Story/ Stephanie & Jill/ Chicagoland pt 3
What is Clergy Sexual Abuse? (Video)clergysexualmisconduct.comContact Stephanie: s.nelsonbbtb@gmail.comSupport the show
Announcement: On the Road Event w/ Emily Maynard
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Jill’s Story / Chicagoland Pt 2
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Stephanie’s Story / Chicagoland Part 1
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Alicia’s Story / Columbus, OH
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“Breaking Down the Steve Chandler Statement” W/ Attorney Robert Callahan
Episode show notes / source materialRoberts Book - Fire in the Whole: Embracing Our Righteous Anger with White Christianity and Reclaiming Our WholenessPast Relevent Episodes:The Village Church is SBC, TooATBS “The Village Hired a Law Firm” w/ Robert CallahanATBS “Ask More Questions” w/ Jay & JohnnaATBS “MinistrySafe & Austin Stone” w/ Christi BraggStatement from bodies behind the busSuppo
“Whistleblowers: The Village Church Denton” w/ Anna & Chris
Episode show notes / source materialPast Relevent Episodes:The Village Church is SBC, TooATBS “The Village Hired a Law Firm” w/ Robert CallahanATBS “Ask More Questions” w/ Jay & JohnnaATBS “MinistrySafe & Austin Stone” w/ Christi BraggStatement from bodies behind the busSupport the podcastSupport the show
ATBS “Consistency in Integrity” w/ Lori Adams Brown
The Wartburg Watch Post - I Was 12 Years Old and Wearing My Pink Pajamas When Robert Morris, Now of Gateway Church, Began to Molest Me. The Alleged Abuse Lasted for 4 1/2 Years.The Roys Report Post - EXCLUSIVE: Former Staffers Expose Bullying, Abuse of Rick Warren’s Successor Andy WoodA World of Difference PodcastSupport the show
ATBS "Continued Discussion & Insight" w/ Dr. Peridot Reed
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ATBS “Defining & Spotting Spiritual Bypassing” w/ Dr. Peridot Reed
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Pete’s Story / Pittsburgh, PA / EFCA
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Update on BBTB
Johnna and Jay provide an update on the future of Sacred Wilderness & Bodies Behind the Bus.Support the show
ATBS “Baptistland” w/ Christa Brown
Baptistland: A Memoir of Abuse, Betrayal, and TransformationIn this episode of the Bodies Behind the Bus podcast, hosts Jay and Johnna introduce us to the incredible journey of Christa Brown, an author, advocate, survivor, and lawyer with a profound story to tell. Through her newly released book, Baptist Land: A Memoir of Abuse, Betrayal, and Transformation, Christa offers an unflinchingly honest
BBTB w/ Special Guests From The True Believer Podcast
Do you know something about the Elizabeth Mackintosh case? If so, please reach out no matter how small it seems. https://www.truebelieverpodcast.comListen on AppleListen on SpotifySupport the show
ATBS w/ Emily Maynard, MA, LMFT / Pt 2
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ATBS w/ Emily Maynard, MA, LMFT / Pt 1
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ATBS RICO claims against the SBC
New Lawsuit filed against SBCRead Court Docs HereAmicus Brief RulingResources/BooksPatreonSupport the show
ATBS “MinistrySafe & Austin Stone” w/ Christi Bragg
Louder Than SilenceMindwell Therapy Austin Stone statement Ministrysafe websiteWade Mullen Twitter thread on MinistrySafeResources/BooksPatreonSupport the show
Taylor’s Story / CA / Reformed Church of America
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ATBS/ What in the SBC is Happening?
Tweets discussed in episode:President of the SBC’s statement on the Amicus Brief: SBC EC response to amicus brief:Amicus brief: Articles referenced or read in preparation of this episode:https://www.texastribune.org/2023/03/27/houston-jared-woodfill-gop-paul-pressler-southern-baptist/ https://baptistnews.com/article/pressler-patterson-and-trump-dancing-with-demagogues/https://www.houstonchronicl
Joy’s Story / North Carolina pt 2
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Joy’s Story / North Carolina pt 1
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ATBS W/ Jay & Johnna Talking Fellowship Monrovia
Julie Roys Articles on Fellowship MonroviaWatch Fellowship Monrovia town hallLetter of concerns written by staff and key leadersSupport the show
Shasta’s Story / WorldVenture
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ATBS w/ “Lies Christian Parents Believe” authors Marissa Burt & Kelsey McGinnis
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