Liminal Phrames
Liminal Phrames is a podcast exploring the meaning-making models people build around UFOs, contact with non-human intelligence, and paranormal experiences. Hosts Darren King (ExoAcademian) and Nathan examine how encounters with the UFO phenomenon and high strangeness challenge conventional notions of reality. Rather than offering hard answers, the show ventures into blurred lines and indistinct categories, pioneering new ways of framing the real. Each episode leans into the most intriguing and unresolved questions surrounding these experiences.
Episodes
081 - Creativity vs. Closure in Disclosure
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore how the UFO Phenomenon involves not just different actors, but actors arising from different levels of reality. We also tackle why, for the most ascendent actors, seeding worldview expansion is valued over clarity and closure.
080 - Inching Toward a Reality Rewrite
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss the impact of the film Age of Disclosure, while also unpacking what the military/intelligence community’s framing of the Phenomenon leaves out of our evolving societal conversation.
079 - Into an Age of Expansion
In this episode of Liminal Phrames Exo/Darren and Nathan discuss the groundbreaking film Age of Disclosure, a release that marks a key turning point in societal discourse, yet still engages only the surface layers of what the Phenomenon truly represents.
078 - Bridging Inner and Outer Worlds
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan do a deep dive into the nature of "inner" vs. "outer" experience. How does a consciousness-centric model shift the question from whether they’re equally real, to how each uniquely serves awakening and integration?
077 - Deep History & the Control System
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan examine the ancient roots of the UAP phenomenon. Tellingly, across cultures in deep history, common themes emerge: encounters with "celestial races," schisms, hybridization, and a control system. Who’s behind the curtain?
076 - A World on the Brink
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan break down this week's congressional UAP hearing, including an honest assessment of the state of the government and society in which UFO/NHI disclosure needs to take place.
075 - Of Revelations & Recriminations
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan begin with a discussion around new developments in the push for UAP/NHI disclosure, including all-too-human elements that tend to bring the movement crashing back to Earth. And then in the second segment of the show, we break down some of the revelatory aspects of a recent journey "outside the construct."
074 - To Magonia & Beyond
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan delve into Jacques Vallée's trailblazing book Passport to Magonia, which provocatively asks: what if UFOs aren't just a modern technological phenomenon, but part of a long-standing "paraphysical" tradition in human experience?
073 - A Retrospective of Recent Ufological History
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan take a retrospective journey across the terrain ufology has traversed since 2017—including the most recent, rather contentious, claim that the Tic Tac may represent the fruit of reverse-engineered technology.
072 - Identifying a Metaphysical Meta-signal
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan break down different notions of the UFO Phenomenon from the perspective of a plural ontology. Also addressed is the deeper meta-signal that each these experiences ultimately point towards.
071 - Consciousness Looping Through Time
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the roles that time travel and conscious AI play in what we colloquially refer to as the UFO Phenomenon, not to mention in our understanding, and sometimes lack thereof, of reality itself.
070 - Nearing a Disclosure Turning Point
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan delve into a bonanza of recent revelations, including the deathbed confessions of presidential advisor Harald Malmgren, the consequential claims of two new whistleblowers, and a congressional briefing on "Understanding UAP".
069 - With Eyes to the Skies
In this episode of Liminal Phames, Darren/Exo and Nathan delve into recent developments in ufology, including Skywatcher's data capture and analysis, the revelation of recent tic tac sightings, and a new long-form interview with the firebrand that is Steven Greer.
068 - Taking the Temperature of Disclosure
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan take the temperature of ufology and the disclosure process. Is the new political climate more transparent? How significant is Grusch's advising of Congressman Burlison directly? Does psionics make disclosure ours for the taking?
067 - A Revelation of Conscious Simulations
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan dive into matters including: recovered NHI described as 'biological robots'; 'conscious' UAP craft; key figures contacted by 'AI from the future'; time loops; the simulation-like nature of our reality and 'digital physics'.
066 - UAP & Metaphysical Meanderings
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the degree to which the so-called "woo" aspects of the UFO Phenomenon have landed in prime time, forcing a reckoning by public and private parties alike.
065 - Extraordinary Evidence & Inflection Points
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the recent influx of whistleblowers, including first-hand witnesses, who are pushing us ever closer to an inflection point that sees ufology enter the mainstream.
064 - The Colliding & Collapsing of Worldviews
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss the recent incursions, asking: is this NHI? And, if so, how might assimilation unfold if the intensity grows? And how might labels like "angels" and "aliens" collapse upon the encountering of a more expansive and integrated view of reality?
063 - Reaching Beyond the Construct
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the evidence pointing to the notion that our environment is a simulation or a construct arising from within some deeper structure of reality.
062 - Telepathy & Mind at Large
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan address the upcoming UAP hearings, and then delve into one of the most consequential documentary series of recent memory; one with a unique capacity to awaken people to the primacy of Consciousness: The Telepathy Tapes.
061 - War, Peace & the Possibility Space
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan begin by discussing recent momentum in the push for public disclosure of the UFO Phenomenon, before then delving into DeLonge and Levenda's recently published 3rd volume of the Sekret Machines: Gods, Man & War trilogy.
060 - Imminence & Transcendence
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan delve into Lue Elizondo's book Imminent, considering its impact on expanding the cultural conversation around UAP and NHI. Also addressed is the threat vs. no-threat debate that has arisen since the book's publication.
059 - Phenomenology & Demonology
The idea that NHI are demonic entities is seemingly ever-present in both ufological circles and even within the government. In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore: How did we get here? How did the modern notion of demons arise to begin with?
058 - Deconstructing into Conscious Expansion
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore a series of increasingly consequential, paradigm-stretching elements of the UFO Phenomenon; elements that, while discombobulating, also collectively present the opportunity for a remarkable, civilization-wide expansion of consciousness.
057 - Getting to the Crux of the Matter
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore how the UFO Phenomenon serves as a kind of gateway drug into an exploration of Consciousness and the ultimate nature and purpose of manifest reality.
056 - Meaning, Time & Synchronicity
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss the rolling out of controlled disclosure, and then dive headfirst into the nature and meaning of synchronicity, including having Darren unpack his recent experience with a mind-bending synchronicity storm.
055 - Navigating an Evolving Realityscape
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan parse out the many recent developments pertaining to UAP disclosure, while also discussing how existing worldviews determine not only how certain claims are regarded, but even the questions people are willing to entertain.
054 - The Rabbit-holing of Reality
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan explore a spectrum of disruptive truths that undergird the modern (and ancient) UFO Phenomenon. What are these increasingly difficult to metabolize revelations, and what do they suggest about the ultimate nature of reality itself?
053 - Embracing the Complex Unknown
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss recent events on Capital Hill pertaining to disclosure, and then delve into the rich and multifaceted (but sometimes disorienting) complexity present in what is colloquially referred to as "the Phenomenon".
052 - Degrees of Disclosure
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan unpack controlled vs. catastrophic disclosure, and consider how various institutions, cultures, and the notion of government itself would be changed and/or challenged altogether under various degrees of disclosure.
051 - Mass Sightings & Collective Consciousness
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan touch on recent disclosure events, and then delve into three key mass sightings from relatively recent human history: the Miracle at Fatima, the Ariel School incident, and the Phoenix Lights.
050 - Awakening Within the Dream
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan take a deep dive into Bernardo Kastrup's Meaning in Absurdity, a book that offers a compellingly fresh take not just on the high strangeness associated with UFOs and faerie lore, but on the ultimate nature of reality itself.
049 - Tracing the Origins of UFO Intelligence
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan outline the various hypotheses put forward to explain the UFO Phenomenon, and delve deeply into Vallée and Davis' "Incommensurability, Orthodoxy and the Physics of High Strangeness" paper.
048 - Engaging with the Unknown
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss the larger opportunities coming online, including revelations that speak not just to the reality of non-human intelligence in our midst, but to an eclipsing way of seeing who we are and how we play a participatory role in a complex, always unfolding and intrinsically conscious reality.
047 - The Potential for Transformation
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan catch up on recent governmental engagement with the UFO Phenomenon, while asking larger questions about the overarching potential this moment of deconstruction represents.
046 - Of Conventions & Constructs
In this episode, Darren and Nathan take a deep dive into how revelations arising from related fields such as ufology and parapsychology point to an emerging shift in our fundamental understanding of reality, and to our place within it.
045 - Grappling with a Reality Re-Write
In this episode Darren and Nathan discuss recent events in the push towards disclosure, and look forward to a year where the very nature of existence may be called into question based on the revelations emerging pertaining to the UFO Phenomenon.
044 - Beyond the UFO Phenomenon
In this episode Darren and Nathan explore congressional actions galvanizing around public disclosure of the UFO Phenomenon, while also looking to deeper moves in consciousness being expressed in grassroots movements around the world.
043 - Modern Maps & Unframeable Territory
In this episode Darren and Nathan unpack the latest in disclosure developments, and delve into how map-making, while useful, can often take us away from a raw relationship with reality and the elements of High Strangeness that refuse to be tamed.
042 - The Ontology of UFO Intelligence
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan begin with recent developments in the push and pull dynamic of official UFO disclosure, followed by a deep dive into the metaphysical and ontological questions that underlie the matter of what disclosure actually entails.
041 - Covert Investigations into the Phenomenon
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss the revelations presented in the latest book about covert government investigations into the Phenomenon by James Lacatski, Colm Kelleher and George Knapp.
040 - Perspectives on Disclosure
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan bring the audience up to date on the push for disclosure, while also considering the deeper implications of the matter, seen from a series of different vantage points.
039 - Constructs of Consciousness
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan consider recent developments in the march towards disclosure, but within a much larger scope that considers history, human purpose, and the ultimate nature of reality.
038 - Phenomenology & Mythos
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan explore various historical meaning models that have attempted to make sense of anomalous phenomena, while considering the possibility that some external players pursue their agendas by manipulating those very shared myths.
037 - Community Questions & Answers
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan engage with a series of thoughtful and thought-provoking questions posed by the Liminal Phrames audience, touching on the UFO Phenomenon, synchronicity, multi-dimensional reality, and the primacy of consciousness.
036 - The Surfacing of Tectonic Revelations
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan consider the remarkable recent governmental actions aimed at exposing the ufological secrets buried deep within the military industrial complex, and wonder aloud why the effort seems so suddenly paramount.
035 - Disclosure Talk on Capital Hill
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan unpack the remarkable moments from over the past couple of weeks, where we've seen lawmakers - on a bipartisan basis - begin to tackle the mystery of the UFO Phenomenon and the legacy of military industrial secrets, head on.
034 - Of Revelations & Reckonings
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan reflect on the remarkable historical moment we presently find ourselves in. What's clear is that we are entering a new era of particular gravity because it involves both paradigm-shattering revelations and personal and collective reckonings.
033 - Ufology vs. the Gatekeepers
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan delve into the flurry of news that has erupted in the world of ufology over the last week and a half. What are we to make not only of the remarkable revelations themselves, but also of the ongoing resistance put up by the mainstream? What accounts for this wall of refusal to take these stories on, even when brought forth by the most credible of witnesses?
032 - Disclosure's Impact on Civilization
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan delve into the differences between societal expectations around UFO disclosure and the likely messy, multifaceted, discombobulating and potentially transformative reality.
031 - In the Days After Disclosure
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore both the initial shock and then a myriad of secondary effects that inevitably arise following an official acknowledgement and widespread acceptance of alien intelligences in our midst.
030 - Extratempestrial Excursions
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan do a deep dive into the implications of the extratempestrial hypothesis, which posits that at least some of the apparent aliens in our midst are actually our time-traveling future descendants.
029 - Countdown to Disclosure?
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss whether recent events suggest we are seeing a purposeful, planned ramp up towards a true moment of societal reckoning with the reality of the UFO phenomenon. And, if so, just how imminent is this "D-day"?
028 - Rite, Ritual & Experience
In this episode, Exo/Darren and Nathan discuss the overlap between the UFO Phenomenon and religion, and consider ways rites and rituals generate frames of reference for experience in our civilization.
027 - UFOs, Science & High Strangeness
In this episode, Exo/Darren and Nathan dig into both the benefits and limits of applying the methods of scientific inquiry to the UFO Phenomenon, and we consider how the rise of AI has us rushing head-on towards the Singularity.
026 - Channeled Material & the Conscious Cosmos
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan delve deep into channeled material. How valid is this form of information retrieval? How do you separate the good from the bad? And what does this method of information transfer say about the fundamental nature of reality?
025 - Collapsing Ufological Paradigms
In this episode, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the strengths and weaknesses of both literal and symbolic ways of making sense of the UFO Phenomenon, comparing it to similar trends in religious and academic circles, while asking some sobering but illuminating questions about the truth of human origins.
024 - Controversial Ufological Topics
In this episode, Exo/Darren and Nathan tackle some of the most controversial topics in ufology, including galactic federations, hybrids, breakaway civilizations, ultraterrestrials, and the specter of psychic influence in an interconnected Cosmos.
023 - Alien Presence & Narrative Frameworks
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the various factors, beyond the data itself, that fuel various hypotheses and narratives around who the aliens in our midst are, and what their intentions for humanity are.
022 - The Primacy of Consciousness
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss the metaphysical model known as Idealism, and consider not only how this plays well with non-duality, but also how so much of the phenomenological experience related to UFOs and non-human intelligences makes sense within this overarching perspective on the nature of reality.
021 - The Virtuality of UFOs & Waking Experience
In this episode, Exo/Darren and Nathan explore the UFO Phenomenon from the perspective of idealism, where not just UFOs, but the very rendering of everyday experience is a "virtual" projection from a deeper reality.
020 - Reality After Anomalous Experience
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss the two distinct conversations being had around the UFO Phenomenon. One revolves around governmental disclosure and public awareness, the other has to do with experiencers learning to adjust to a reality largely shaped by anomalous personal encounters.
019 - Filling in the Disclosure Blanks
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the nature of the deepest held secrets pertaining to the UFO Phenomenon. Could a revelation be so disruptive to human civilization as to warrant decades of silence?
018 - Of Consciousness and Contact
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan discuss a year of transformation related to consciousness and contact, and field questions from the audience pertaining to the new cosmology discussed on recent episodes of Point of Convergence.
017 - Where Physics Meets Metaphysics
In this episode Exo/Darren and Nathan discuss the infamous Slide 9, delving into how the implications from that slide, along with revelations arising from the UFO Phenomenon in general, point to startling metaphysical implications. How should this knowledge change how we live our lives as individuals and as a collective civilization?
016 - Considering High Strangeness
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan ask: How do we make sense of the peculiar, bizarre, and sometimes utterly absurd elements we encounter within the UFO Phenomenon and general paranormality? And what do these elements say about the underlying nature of reality?
015 - Alien Intervention & Human History
In this episode Exo (Darren) and Nathan discuss the re-framing of 20th century history required in light of the presence of the UFO Phenomenon, in addition to the potential re-writing of the entire conventional narrative around human origins. This implications of this overarching topic apparently leave no other topic unscathed.
014 - Phenomenology & Consciousness
In this episode Darren/Exo and Nathan examine how consciousness impacts phenomenology and vice versa, while also examining elements of profundity we may have lost in the process of our singular march towards technological innovation. What depths and even intelligences now lie unexamined in our narrow focus on the external world?
013 - State of the Ufological Nation
In this episode Exo and Nathan return with a discussion around the current state of the ufological nation. Where are we at in the move towards disclosure? How is the community invested in this topic being impacted as revelations, and factions, emerge?
012 - Anomalous Experience & Interpretation
In this episode Exo and Nathan explore various ways, both in contemporary society and in the eras of our ancestors, that human beings have constructed interpretive models to make sense of anomalous experience.
011 - Modes of Extraordinary Contact
In this episode Exo and Nathan discuss a range of interrelated matters, including the FREE Experiencer Research Study, military encounters with UFOs, near death experiences, and Terrence McKenna's claims about the alien architecture behind certain psychedelic experiences. How are these various modes of extraordinary contact connected? And what does that connection say about the underlying fabric o
010 - Thinking Outside the Box
In this episode Exo and Nathan address the efforts being made by certain figures such as Luis Elizondo to expand the parameters of the conversation being had regarding the origin and nature of the Others in our midst. Who are they? Who are we? What is "reality"? These are the questions that need to be on the table if we are to take this discussion to its logical conclusion.
009 - The Phenomenon & Civil Discourse
In this episode Exo and Nathan explore how personal experiences with the UFO Phenomenon and general paranormality fit within an ongoing societal debate around free speech, conspiracies, and the nature of knowledge itself.
008 - Beyond Binary Interpretations
In this episode Exo and Nathan look at common data points associated with the UFO Phenomenon and look to carve out a nuanced perspective. We also consider how time and perspective often change the interpretation of events involving High Strangeness, and how we ourselves inevitably become one of the factors involved in the nature of experiences with anomalous phenomena.
007 - Science, Religion & Paranormality
In this episode Exo and Nathan examine various tools at our disposal for analysis of the UFO Phenomenon and High Strangeness. We also look at meaning-making structures like Religion and Science, and how they have historically defined the parameters of "normality" for the collective.
006 - Alien Contact, NDEs & Reality Constructs
In this episode Exo and Nathan take a high-level approach to a range of diverse but related topics such as: the potential number of sources behind the Phenomenon, lessons to be learned from sagas like that of Anjali, and the implications arising from NDEs, OBEs and synchronicity. What, if any, crisscrossing lines can we draw amongst these, and what does that say about the ultimate nature of realit
005 - Believers, Skeptics & Deniers
In this episode Exo and Nathan discuss the spectrum of positions from which people approach the UFO Phenomenon and High Strangeness in general. How do our preconceptions about reality and what's "possible" impact our engagement with a Phenomenon that refuses to play by the rules? What role, if any, does each of these base positions play in our overall aim for truth and understanding?
004 - Defining Disclosure
In this episode Exo & Nathan tackle the monster known as "Disclosure". What does the government know? How deep does the rabbit hole go? What are the potential ramifications if it happens? Are there scenarios where one can imagine valid justification for holding back any of these secrets? Is this disclosure merely about the Others in our midst - whether they be extraterrestrials, interdimension
003 - From Daemons to Demons
In this episode of Liminal Phrames Exo & Nathan discuss the origin of the term "daemons", the rise of The Collins Elite, & how religious notions of angels & demons inevitably surface in discussions regarding the UFO Phenomenon within our current cultural framework. To what extent do these terms help us, and to what extent are they merely interpretations of phenomena that defy simple, b
002 - The ET Hypothesis & Beyond
In this episode Exo and Nathan return to the roots of 20th century ufology, discussing the events and cultural frames that brought about the extraterrestrial hypothesis. From there, the discussion moves, as did the historical postulations, towards notions such as interdimensionality and ultraterrestrials. How are these notions different, and how might future revelations bring about ever more exoti
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