Higher Learning with Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay
Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay dissect the biggest topics in Black culture, politics, and sports. Two times per week, they wade into the most important and timely conversations, frequently inviting guests on the podcast and occasionally debating each other.
Episodes
Ro Khanna on the DSA and the Prospects of a Potential Presidential Run. Plus, the Gary, Indiana, Blackout and Penn State Drug Ring.
Van and Rachel chat about the NABJ’s website and its ongoing feud with Stephen A. Smith before catching up on Indiana’s harrowing storms that have left tens of thousands without power. Then they dig into the alleged cocaine ring at one of Penn State’s fraternities and then welcome California Congressman Ro Khanna live in studio. Plus, our hosts give us their thoughts on Young Thug’s interesting co
Stephen A. Smith Receives “Thumbs Down” Award, Maya Boyd Is Your New Storm, James Talarico’s Strategic Ad Campaign, and Ray J Defeats Orlando Brown in the Ring
Stephen A. Smith Receives “Thumbs Down” Award, Maya Boyd Is Your New Storm, James Talarico’s Strategic Ad Campaign, and Ray J Defeats Orlando Brown in the RingVan and Rachel pay tribute to actress Hayden Panettiere and Jason Arday. They also discuss James Talarico’s campaign ad against Ken Paxton. Plus, reactions to the Ray J vs. Orlando Brown boxing match and a discussion on Stephen A. Smith rece
Tyga’s AI Album, McAfee’s MAGA Mess, and Ranking AOC’s Dating Pool
Van and Rachel react to Russell Westbrook’s retirement, Tyga’s AI album ‘$tarface’, and Marcellus Wiley’s domestic violence case being dropped, before discussing Pat McAfee’s appearance with President Trump. Plus, Saucy Santana addresses a White House repost and code-switching gets defined before Van whips out the whiteboard to debate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s dating options.
(0:00) Intro
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Usher’s Clone, Drake’s Stream, and a "Ruthless" Kamala Harris
Van and Rachel debate "capitalism" before discussing accusations of an Usher body double and Drake’s content creation. Plus, Kamala Harris speaks on what’s needed from the Democrats, and Van breaks down the X-Men vs. the Avengers.
(0:00) Intro
(6:34) A capitalism conversation
(51:37) Usher using body doubles?
(1:00:51) Drake’s stream
(1:20:56) Kamala Harris and "ruthless" Democrats
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A$AP Rocky and Rihanna’s Relationship, Plus Stacey Abrams on Protecting the Vote
Van and Rachel react to results from the August primary races, Sophie Cunningham weighing in on trans athletes, A$AP Rocky opening up to Jason Lee. Then, author and political leader Stacey Abrams returns to weigh in on the ongoing fight for voting rights.
(0:00) Intro
(5:39) Primary race results
(19:26) Sophie Cunningham on trans athletes
(30:01) A$AP Rocky on his relationship with Rihanna
Governor Wes Moore and "Across-the-Aisle" Politics. Plus, Diarra Kilpatrick, a.k.a. "Diarra From Detroit."
Van and Rachel react to Spider-Man’s big box office weekend before switching gears to talk about RFK Jr.’s on-air meltdown and Governor Wes Moore’s chummy exchange with a Trump official. Then actor, writer, and producer Diarra Kilpatrick joins to talk about Season 2 of the hit show 'Diarra From Detroit.'
(0:00) Intro
(0:15) ‘Spider-Man: Brand New Day’ box office
(8:42) RFK Jr.’s on-air meltdo
The Troubled ‘Children of Blood and Bone’ Adaptation, and Usher’s Rejection
Van and Rachel discuss tragedy and personas in rap, and updates in the Nolan Wells case before diving into President Trump’s attempts at voter suppression. Then Jonathan Majors speaks, the author of ’Children of Blood and Bone’ distances herself from the film, and Usher’s interaction with a fan sparks debate.
(0:00) Intro
(7:46) The Madden curse
(27:48) Gun violence and 21 Savage
(40:37) Upd
Kerry Washington and 'The Whoopi Monologues,' a New Black Panther, and an Argument for Term Limits
Van and Rachel react to the recasting of Black Panther, a cheating scandal in the WNBA, and the White House Correspondents' Dinner before welcoming actor Kerry Washington to discuss the revival of ‘The Whoopi Monologues’ and the importance of theater. Plus, Representative James Clyburn says Black voters let Kamala down, and a respectability politics discussion about Tuskegee University.
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Why Would ESPN Lay Off Ryan Clark? Plus, Mayor Mamdani’s Netanyahu Strategy.
Van and Rachel react to both ESPN’s decision to lay off Ryan Clark and LeBron’s decision to drag out free agency. Then, New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani says he can’t arrest Benjamin Netanyahu, and the Trump administration freezes Medicaid funding for CA and MN. And finally, a debate about the placement of a controversially titled book on a former NBA head coach's desk.
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Van’s ‘Obsession’ Obsession, ‘The Odyssey’ Wins, and the Life and Career of David Roberts
Van and Rachel have a spoiler-filled discussion of the newly streaming film ‘Obsession,’ before reacting to the success of 'The Odyssey.' Then, controversy in the WNBA warrants an apology rating, the Tate brothers are arrested, the military’s testing testosterone, and Fox News is joking about sexual assault. Then, ESPN executive VP David Roberts joins to discuss his career and massive impact on th
"New Face of Hollywood,” Boosie’s Pardon Play, and Rachel’s Finest
Van and Rachel react to a problematic Hollywood Reporter article and some Christian blacklash for KevOnStage, before discussing Boosie’s failed efforts to get a pardon and recent killings at the hands of ICE. Then Rachel gives her list of “top five finest men.”
(0:00) Intro
(24:38) New face of Hollywood
(46:08) KevOnStage upsets some fans
(1:05:27) Boosie’s pardon play
(1:17:32) Memphis Ble
The Death of Lindsey Graham and Jay-Z’s Colin Kaepernick Diss
Van and Rachel react to the death of Senator Lindsey Graham and the speculation around the health of Senator Mitch McConnell before digging into Jay-Z’s mention of Colin Kaepernick at a recent performance.
(0:00) Intro
(27:25) Rachel’s porkless week
(29:52) World Cup updates
(33:29) Reactions to Lindsey Graham’s death
(56:21) Mitch McConnell speculation
(1:00:45) Jay-Z disses Colin Kaepern
The Tubman $20 Bill, Graham Platner’s Exit, and Rappers Flying Commercial
Van and Rachel react to the U.S. men's soccer team’s loss to Belgium and the list of Emmy nominees. Then they discuss the end of the plans for Harriet Tubman’s $20 bill and Graham Platner ending his Senate campaign. Plus, an update on Marcellus Wiley, and the death of a Mississippi teen sparks conversation.
(0:00) Intro
(18:53) U.S. loses to Belgium
(31:06) Emmy nominations
(42:34) Harriet T
The Yung Miami and India.Arie “Spend Dat” Debate, Plus U.S.-FIFA Controversy
Van and Rachel react to the U.S. soccer controversy before discussing Marcellus Wiley’s arrest and the "America250" celebration in D.C. Plus, will Diddy get a pardon thanks to Trump? And the song of the summer sparks a debate.
(0:00) Intro
(35:07) The U.S.-FIFA controversy
(51:15) Marcellus Wiley’s arrest
(1:03:47) "America250" celebration
(1:19:08) Will Trump pardon Diddy?
(1:28:41) India
LeBron and the Mighty White Lakers. Plus, Are You Proud to Be an American?
Van and Rachel react to the biggest news of the NBA offseason before questioning whether Kamala Harris is gearing up for a presidential run and discussing Barack Obama’s opinion of George Washington. Then Maureen Edobor, an assistant professor at Washington and Lee School of Law, joins to help break down the impact of some recent Supreme Court decisions before Van asks a patriotic question.
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Druski’s BET Awards, Tucker Carlson Leaving the GOP, and “War” in the Democratic Party
Van and Rachel react to the 2026 BET Awards before discussing the latest from a pair of former Fox News hosts, and the conflict dividing the Democratic Party.
(0:00) Intro
(16:04) BET Awards recap
(29:00) Haiti and Megyn Kelly’s racist rhetoric
(54:11) Tucker Carlson leaving the GOP
(1:06:14) Moderates vs. Democratic Socialists
(1:31:03) New segment: Rachel Hasn’t Seen This
(1:39:40) Fewe
XXL Freshman Class, and What Happened With Lizzo? Plus, the Last Gasp of Trumpism
Van and Rachel kick off the podcast with a follow-up discussion about Jasmine Crockett and James Talarico before digging into a pair of music industry topics. Plus, an awkward interaction during ESPN’s NBA draft coverage, and was A$AP Rocky disrespectful with the stuff he said during a performance?
(0:00) Intro
(0:17) A Crockett-Talarico recap
(59:46) XXL Freshman Class: Auntie Rach vs. Baby
Crockett Not Supporting Talarico? Plus, Estelle on the Art of Being a Humble Star
Van and Rachel react to questions about Representative Jasmine Crockett’s support of her former opponent James Talarico before Van makes a connection between geopolitics and ‘The Wire.’ They also hit a couple of sports topics and SZA’s anti-AI stance before the multi-hyphenate Estelle joins the show.
(0:00) Intro
(13:11) Jasmine Crockett, James Talarico, and party unity
(35:10) The Iran confl
Jemele Hill and the Jay-Z-Target Partnership: Is It a Big Deal?
Van and Rachel discuss the results of the L.A. primary race, before reacting to the death of a one-year-old at the hands of police. Then Jemele Hill joins to talk boycotts amidst a deal between Target and Jay-Z.
(0:00) Intro
(13:43) L.A. mayoral primary race results
(31:36) Mississippi police shoot and kill one-year-old
(54:41) Jemele Hill joins the show
(1:25:43) Tyra Banks sues Netflix
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Knicks Win It All, UFC at the White House, and the Conviction of Karmelo Anthony
Van and Rachel are back from a break to react to the historic NBA Finals, the UFC fight at the White House, and David Oyelowo’s take on African and Southern Black accents. Then defense attorney Yodit Tewolde joins to help break down the trial and conviction of Karmelo Anthony.
(0:00) Intro
(8:26) New York Knicks are NBA champs
(27:34) UFC fight at the White House
(44:15) David Oyelowo on Afr
Senator Chris Murphy and ‘Crisis of the Common Good’
Connecticut senator Chris Murphy joins to discuss multiculturalism, the withdrawal of Joe Biden’s presidential candidacy, and his new book, ‘Crisis of the Common Good.’
(0:00) Intro
(1:36) Responding to the symptom of Trump
(5:07) Common good capitalism
(7:21) The country’s most harmful cults
(10:07) Building cultural connections
(21:38) Getting personal
(24:20) The male loneliness epidem
A Conversation With Rep. Ilhan Omar: AIPAC, MAGA Expats, and Standing Up to ICE
Van and Rachel welcome U.S. Representative from Minnesota Ilhan Omar for a wide-ranging discussion of governing in 2026.
(0:00) Intro
(1:09) Governing in 2019 vs. 2026
(5:07) What’s holding Democrats back?
(7:07) AIPAC-sponsored candidates
(15:47) 2024 election post-mortem
(21:52) MAGA vs. Rep. Omar
(24:28) Minnesota stands up to ICE
(29:22) Nancy Mace pushes ban on naturalized citizens
Spencer Pratt’s Obama Comparisons, Plus Life and ’The Odyssey’ With Jay Pharoah
Van and Rachel check in on the California primary races, and discuss Tyler, the Creator's disdain for top-five lists before senior politics reporter at Axios, Marc Caputo, joins to break down the congressional vote on Iran. Plus, comedian and rapper Jay Pharoah sheds light on fame, faith, and impressions.
(0:00) Intro
(12:18) Spencer Pratt and the L.A. mayoral race
(37:03) Tyler, the Creator
Jay-Z Returns to Beef With Drake, Plus Trump’s Failed Concert Series
Van and Rachel react to Jay-Z’s freestyle at the Roots Picnic, and Donald Trump taking two public L's in the lead-up to his Freedom 250 festival. Plus a check-in on the L.A. mayoral race, and an Atlanta judge and police deputy chief’s noisy sexual encounters get exposed.
(0:00) Intro
(19:12) Jay-Z freestyle
(42:57) Trump cancelling concert
(52:27) Removal of Trump’s name from Kennedy Center
Kevin Hart: Black Culture Vs. Comedy Culture, and Spencer Pratt’s Mayoral Bid
Van and Rachel are back from the holiday break to react to Kevin Hart's response to problematic jokes at his roast, updates in the fight against redistricting, and Spencer Pratt’s appeal to L.A. voters. Plus Jaxson Dart’s MAGA moves, and Ray J gets KO'd.
(0:00) Intro
(15:54) Kevin Hart responds to roast critics
(41:20) Iran conflict update
(56:40) The redistricting battle
(1:12:37) White wi
Is Hip-Hop Still Fun? Plus the DNC’s Autopsy Report and “Dr.” Cheyenne Bryant’s Alleged Title
Van and Rachel react to the results of this week’s primary races and the release of the DNC Autopsy report of the 2024 election. Plus Chelsea Handler on racist jokes, Cheyenne Bryant’s doctoral backlash, and Michelle Obama on MAGA.
(0:00) Intro
(0:18) Is Hip-Hop still fun?
(15:47) Primary election reactions
(28:10) The DNC’s 2024 election autopsy
(51:04) Chelsea Handler, race and roasts
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Drake’s ‘Iceman’ Album Review. Plus, Tom Steyer’s Plan for California.
Van and Rachel review Drake’s highly anticipated new album, ‘Iceman.’ Did it live up to the hype? Then they discuss a white college student’s alleged scheme to attract Black athletes before gubernatorial candidate Tom Steyer joins the podcast to shed light on his potential policies for the Golden State.
(0:00) Intro
(8:33) ‘Iceman’ album review
(35:06) Black athlete scheme
(54:59) Tom Steyer
Chud the Builder Shot, and SEC Boycott? Plus, Tiffany D. Cross on Womanhood
Van and Rachel react to Jason Lee and Peter Rosenberg’s "culture vulture" conversation and the AKA’s being upset with Rachel, before discussing Chud the Builder's shooting and arrest and calls for student-athletes to boycott SEC schools. Then author Tiffany D. Cross joins to talk about her new book, ‘Love, Me: A Letter to Black Women in a Toxic Country, Career, and Relationship.’
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Kevin and Katt Squash the Beef, Stephen A.’s Wish, and ABC vs. Trump’s FCC
Van and Rachel recap ‘The Roast of Kevin Hart’ and discuss this era of gerrymandering and ABC challenging the FCC. Then, Stephen A. Smith has a wish for Black voters, James Charles apologizes, and Caitlin Clark does the Morgan Wallen walk.
(0:00) Intro
(0:14) 'The Roast of Kevin Hart'
(17:27) Virginia redistricting ruling
(36:04) ABC vs. the FCC
(48:02) Stephen A. Smith and the Black vote
Stefon Diggs Not Guilty, the Return of Migos, and Do We Need the Met Gala?
Van and Rachel react to the verdict in the Stefon Diggs case before discussing the Bezos backlash at the Met Gala. Plus, Quavo and Offset tease new music, and Van has a brand-new VanLaTEN list.
(0:00) Intro
(4:33) Responding to viral racism
(15:10) Stefon Diggs found not guilty
(29:47) The Met Gala and Jeff Bezos
(42:53) MrBeast birthday love
(54:41) New music from Migos?
(1:00:12) L.A. m
RIP ‘Love & Hip-Hop,’ Scott Jennings on CNN, and a Colorism Conversation
Van and Rachel look back on the legacy of 'Love & Hip-Hop' before reacting to the pausing of Post Malone and Jelly Roll’s stadium tour. Plus, Scott Jennings gets flustered on CNN and Fernando Mendoza skips the White House visit, before a conversation about colorism and Blackness.
(0:00) Intro
(17:37) The end of ‘Love & Hip-Hop’
(32:37) Post Malone and Jelly Roll cancellations
(44:51) Scott J
Druski, the Most Consequential Comedian? Plus: L.A. Mayor Karen Bass on Wildfires, Housing, and a Second Term
Van and Rachel react to the news of Druski hosting the BET Awards before discussing the Supreme Court’s latest blow against the Voting Rights Act. Then L.A. Mayor Karen Bass joins to answer questions about her plan for the city in a second term.
(0:00) Intro
(0:14) Druski hosting BET Awards
(9:26) A Megan and Klay Thompson talk pt. 2
(21:31) The Supreme Court and voting rights
(53:40) Mayor
Meg and Klay’s Breakup and Trump’s Second Shooting Attempt? Plus, Durand Bernarr on Stardom
Van and Rachel discuss distrust around the White House Correspondents’ Dinner shooting, before reacting to cheating allegations from Megan Thee Stallion about Klay Thompson. Then, Grammy Award-winning artist Durand Bernarr stops by to shed light on being “everyone’s favorite cousin,” before comedian Aida Rodriguez joins to preview Van’s upcoming standup set.
(0:00) Intro
(1:34) White House Cor
‘Michael’ Review, ‘Iceman’ Preview, and Kendrick Sampson on Quincy Jones and Black Creativity
‘Michael’ Review, ‘Iceman’ Preview, and Kendrick Sampson on Quincy Jones and Black Creativity
Van and Rachel give a review of the Michael Jackson biopic before digging into theories about Drake’s upcoming album. Plus, they give a recap of the California gubernatorial debate before actor Kendrick Sampson joins to give insight on his portrayal of Quincy Jones in the film ‘Michael.’
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Netflix’s ‘Man on Fire’ With Yahya Abdul-Mateen II and Steven Caple Jr.
Van and Rachel sit down with the star and director of the new Netflix series ‘Man on Fire’ following a screening of the show’s first episode.
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Roland Martin’s Deleted Post and Jamilah Lemieux on Black Relationships
Van and Rachel react to Mary J. Blige’s comments on her 2012 Burger King commercial before discussing Roland Martin’s response to Justin Fairfax killing his wife, Cerina, and then himself. Then writer Jamilah Lemieux joins to talk about her new book, ‘Black. Single. Mother.: Real Life Tales of Longing and Belonging.’
(0:00) Intro
(4:49) Mary J. Blige’s Burger King commercial
(16:04) Roland Ma
Decency and Dave Chappelle. Plus, Should Former Trump Allies Be Embraced?
Van and Rachel discuss the mysterious circumstances around the death of an influencer before diving into Dave Chappelle’s interview with NPR and Democratic Representative Ilhan Omar’s comments on embracing Trump allies. Plus, an argument for Trump being the Antichrist. Then, Michael Tubbs, a candidate for lieutenant governor of California, joins the show.
(0:00) Intro
(06:38) The mysterious de
Coachella, Afrika Bambaataa, and Their Lord and Savior Donald Trump
Van and Rachel recap the first weekend of Coachella, before discussing Afrika Bambaataa’s legacy and reported history of abuse. Then, Trump shares an image of himself as Dr. Christ, Gucci Mane releases a diss track, and the church gets lit.
(0:00) Intro
(2:54) Coachella recap: Justin Bieber
(11:47) Coachella recap: Sabrina Carpenter
(22:54) The legacy of Afrika Bambaataa
(42:18) Rep. Eric S
Offset and the State of Hip-Hop in ATL. Plus, Trump’s Ceasefire in Iran
Van and Rachel react to the shooting of the rapper Offset before welcoming HuffPost’s Akbar Shahid Ahmed to discuss the latest on the conflict in Iran. Then, actor Mark Kassen joins to discuss his newest film, ‘PH-1.’
(0:00) Intro
(1:10) Jake Paul and blackface
(7:11) Offset’s shooting
(10:33) The state of Atlanta hip-hop
(17:12) Akbar Shahid Ahmed joins the show
(43:45) Kanye and the canc
LeBron James vs. Memphis. Plus, Joe Rogan and Theo Von on the War in Iran
Van and Rachel discuss NBA players' dislike for staying in Memphis before reacting to Trump’s Easter message about Iran and Edward Blum’s fight against civil rights.
(0:00) Intro
(22:21) The NBA vs. Memphis
(41:19) Trump’s Easter message
(59:30) Joe Rogan and Theo Von on Iran
(1:23:10) Edward Blum’s latest lawsuit
(1:37:52) Sponsors and Kanye West
(2:03:18) Trick Daddy vs. the AKAs
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Pam Bondi Fired, the Kidnapping of Gucci Mane, and Underage Dating: Brandy and Wanya Morris
Van and Rachel discuss the firing of Attorney General Pam Bondi and revelations about former DHS Secretary Kristi Noem’s husband before reacting to the arrest of Pooh Shiesty. Plus a discussion of Jaden Ivey, Brandy and Wanya Morris’s relationship and Deontay Wilder’s wild comments.
(0:00) Intro
(0:54) AG Pam Bondi fired
(26:06) Trump’s prime-time address
(43:19) Kristi Noem’s husband and ‘b
Black Republican Celebrities, Plus Butch Ware: the Black Muslim Revolutionary Candidate
Van and Rachel react to Chilli’s rejection of the MAGA label, the politics of Nick Cannon and Amber Rose, and the latest music from Kanye West. Then, California gubernatorial candidate Dr. Butch Ware joins to discuss the two-party system and his plan for the communities of the state.
(0:00) Intro
(6:16) Black Republicans
(13:02) Chilli denies being "MAGA"
(35:52) The politics of Amber Rose a
Capitalism, Beef and Jay-Z, Usher Praises Diddy, Plus a ’Beauty in Black’ Conversation
Van and Rachel react to the latest from the LaRussell controversy before discussing Jay-Z’s interview with GQ and Usher’s comments on Diddy. Then, actresses Taylor Polidore Williams and Crystle Stewart from Netflix’s ‘Beauty in Black’ join the show.
(0:00) Intro
(9:05) Social media addiction ruling
(21:47) NBA salary cap
(30:48) Druski’s “conservative women” skit
(49:04) LaRussell controver
Bachelorette Cancellation, Biracial Jihad, Plus Iran and Civil War II Wth Emma Vigeland
Van and Rachel discuss ICE and TSA before reacting to the latest from the 'Bachelorette' cancelation. Plus: the release of Justin Timberlake’s DUI arrest footage, the return of the movie star, and Van’s got a take on J. Cole and ‘biracials.’ Then, Emma Vigeland from 'The Majority Report’ joins to discuss the war in Iran.
(0:00) Intro
(07:12) ICE and TSA
(20:52) 'Bachelorette' season cancelled
The New York Times's Cesar Chavez Investigation, the Afroman Trial, and the Taylor Frankie Paul Controversy
Van and Rachel remember the life of Kiki Shepard before discussing the negotiations between the WNBA and WNPBA that led to a verbal agreement for a new CBA. Then they discuss the recent New York Times investigation into Cesar Chavez. After that, the two get into the big controversy revolving around reality star Taylor Frankie Paul, Afroman’s lawsuit, and Ray J’s most recent viral moment: defending
Jack Harlow ‘Got Blacker,’ Spring Break in Houston, and an Oscars Recap With ‘The Big Picture’
Van and Rachel react to the Oscars before discussing Jack Harlow’s comments on his new album, LaRussell and what it means to be "heaven sent," and spring breakers taking Houston. Then hosts of The Big Picture, Amanda Dobbins and Sean Fennessey, join to look back at an Oscar season to remember.
(0:00) Intro
(2:09) Academy Awards reactions
(26:04) Jack Harlow’s "gotten Blacker"
(41:41) LaRusse
A Real Conversation With Gov. Josh Shapiro
Van and Rachel welcome Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro to discuss his memoir, ‘Where We Keep the Light,’ working across the aisle in the MAGA age, and community policing. Plus, addressing the rise in anti-semitism and approaching division on the Israel-Gaza conflict.
(0:00) Intro
(03:32) ‘Where We Keep the Light’
(08:58) Are we better than this?
(16:22) Crime and policing
(29:37) An NBA
Magic City Night Canceled and Target Boycott Over? Plus, Ryan Michelle Bathé on ‘Paradise’ Season 2
Van and Rachel react to the cancellation of the Atlanta Hawks’ "Magic City Night" and Bam Adebayo’s 83 points before switching gears to discuss potential threats from Iran. Plus, Harvey Weinstein speaks from behind bars, Ari Lennox gives life to a meme, and the Target boycott appears to be over. Then, Ryan Michelle Bathé, host of the ‘Paradise’ companion podcast joins to talk season 2 of the hit H
‘Sinners,’ Awards Season, and Pearline’s Husband With Jayme Lawson
Van and Rachel discuss Logan Paul vs. Le’Veon Bell and Dak Prescott’s wedding being called off before reacting to the shooting at Rihanna’s home. Then, they discuss an update on the war in Iran before actress Jayme Lawson joins to talk representation in Hollywood, awards season, and of course, ’Sinners.’
(0:00) Intro
(2:08) Logan Paul vs. Le’Veon Bell
(10:23) Dak Prescott and prenups
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Trump Fires Kristi Noem, Talarico Takes Texas, and the Impact of ‘The Perfect Neighbor’
Van and Rachel react to President Donald Trump’s ouster of Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and the results of the Texas Senate primary race before having another Drake–Kendrick Lamar debate thanks to Michael Eric Dyson. Finally, Pamela Dias and Takema Robinson join to discuss the grief, justice, and resilience behind the Netflix documentary 'The Perfect Neighbor.'
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War in Iran, Chalamet vs. Jordan, and the American Black Film Festival
Van and Rachel welcome Indiana University associate professor Hussein Banai, who gives his insight on the joint strikes against Iran. Then they switch gears to discuss Michael B. Jordan’s Oscar odds and Jonathan Majors’s next project. Then Jeff and Nicole Friday join to celebrate 30 years of the American Black Film Festival.
(0:00) Intro
(09:23) Hussein Banai on the conflict in Iran
(41:53) P
Comedy, Music, and the Black Church With KevOnStage
Kevin Fredericks, aka KevOnStage, joins Van and Rachel for a discussion that touches on everything from fear of failure, jokes, the Black church, gospel, and hip-hop.
(0:00) Intro
(:38) Getting past fear
(15:50) God’s sense of humor
(26:23) Pressure to get political
(32:20) Gospel, hip-hop, and R&B
(52:37) Going to church
(58:45) Scripture, sexuality and the church
(1:29:50) Oversharing
The N-Word at the BAFTAs, Producing R. Kelly, and Gavin Newsom Backlash: Fair or Unfair?
Van and Rachel react to the conversations around racism and ableism following outbursts at the BAFTA Awards, and Teddy Riley walking back support for R. Kelly. Plus, Gavin Newsom gets criticized,
(0:00) Intro
(9:24) N-word at the BAFTA Awards
(34:53) Teddy Riley and R. Kelly
(57:31) Gavin Newsom backlash
(1:15:55) Huckabee on Israel: “Fine if they took it all”
(1:30:55) Trump, Susan Rice,
LaBeouf Takes Louisiana. Plus, Colbert, Crockett, and Talarico.
Van and Rachel remember the life of Jesse Jackson before addressing Shia LaBeouf’s Mardi Gras and the latest drama in the Texas Senate race. Then, a breakdown of "Afro-pessimism" before Cori Bush joins to discuss her campaign for Congress. And last but not least, thoughts on Tyler Perry’s most vulgar film.
(0:00) Intro
(9:17) Tyra Banks & America’s Next Top Model
(20:28) The life of Jesse Ja
LeBron and Israel, the “Kevin Durant Files,” and the Beautiful Hellscape of Culver City
Van and Rachel discuss the NBA dunk contest before reacting to leaks from an alleged burner account, and LeBron’s message to his Israeli fans. Then, Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove joins to discuss the Pam Bondi hearings, before Ed Zitron returns to shed light on the world of AI.
(0:00) Intro
(8:39) NBA dunk contest
(19:32) The very alleged Kevin Durant files
(39:42) LeBron James and Israel
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Epstein Revelations, Ja Rule vs. G-Unit, and Symone Sanders Townsend and Eugene Daniels
Van and Rachel welcome The Ringer’s Logan Murdock to react to Ja Rule’s confrontation with Uncle Murda and Tony Yayo on a flight, before they discuss more revelations from the Epstein files, hip-hop in the Trump era, and an HGTV show’s cancellation for the host's use of the N-word.
(0:00) Intro
(3:19) Ja Rule vs. G-Unit in 2026
(19:15) Latest Epstein updates
(1:02:15) Symone Sanders Townsend
Bad Bunny’s Halftime, Trump’s Racist Post, and Activism in Sports With Jemele Hill
Van and Rachel talk about Bad Bunny’s halftime performance and the TPUSA “patriotic” alternative, before reacting to Donald Trump’s racist post of the Obamas and an odd detail in the Epstein files. Then, journalist and podcaster Jemele Hill joins to talk activism and gambling in sports.
(0:00) Intro
(5:24) Bad Bunny’s halftime show
(19:09) Jake Paul and Puerto Rico
(26:39) TPUSA’s halftime s
Chris Harrison: The Return of Traditional Love, Epstein Update, and ICE at the Polls
Van and Rachel kick off the pod with a Shaboozey conversation before reacting to the latest ‘Michael’ trailer. Then they have a discussion on the latest Epstein release, the funding of ICE, and the Texas Senate race, which is turning ugly. And finally, Rachel reacts to the return of Chris Harrison.
(0:00) Intro
(10:06) Shaboozey apology
(20:27) ‘Michael’ trailer reaction
(26:27) Epstein file
Don Lemon’s Arrest and ‘Melania’ a Box Office Hit? Plus, Howard Bryant on the Erasure of Paul Robeson
Van and Rachel react to the Grammys before discussing the arrests of journalists who were covering the protests in Minnesota and former Trump supporters Harvey Levin and Andrew Schulz speaking against the president. Then, the host of The Town, Matt Belloni, sheds light on the box office performance of ‘Melania’ before author Howard Bryant joins to discuss his latest book, 'Kings and Pawns: Jackie
Melania the "Trophy Wife," Nicki’s MAGA Turn, and Black Prestige Media With Ashley Allison
Van and Rachel discuss the documentary ‘Melania’ before reacting to Nicki Minaj’s appearance at a Trump event and the congressional fight over DHS. Plus, Ashley Allison, owner of The Root, joins to discuss the importance of Black media.
(0:00) Black Panther Party
(14:53) The ‘Melania’ movie
(27:47) Nicki Minaj and Trump
(52:26) Congress's fight over DHS
(1:18:27) Ashley Allison joins the sh
Ye’s Apology, Latest Death in Minneapolis, and Aldis Hodge and Ben Watkins on ‘Cross’
Van and Rachel react to Kanye’s apology in The Wall Street Journal, before discussing the violence in Minnesota. Plus, actor Aldis Hodge and showrunner Ben Watkins join to get us set for Season 2 of Amazon Prime Video’s ‘Cross.’
(0:00) Intro
(0:24) Kanye’s apology
(29:16) Another shooting in Minneapolis
(59:09) Texas Senate debate
(1:02:51) Chris Broussard’s bad tweet
(1:05:23) Aldis Hodge
Michelle Appears on Call Her Daddy, Rachel’s Freedom, and Keith Edwards on Critiquing Crockett
Van and Rachel react to the Oscar nominations before discussing Rachel’s newfound freedom and Michelle Obama’s appearance on Call Her Daddy. Then, there’s drama between LeBron and the Lakers, and media personality Keith Edwards joins to break down his coverage of the Texas Senate race.
(0:00) Intro
(2:18) Oscar nominations
(14:14) Rachel’s IG post
(20:41) Michelle Obama on Call Her Daddy
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Feeling for Josh Allen, Stephen A. and the Bruhs, Plus Charlie Kirk the Time Traveler
Van and Rachel react to a weekend of sports before discussing Stephen A. Smith and frat life, the Black Panther Party in 2026, and military aid in Israel. Plus, Gavin Newsom caves to Ben Shapiro, and Candace Owens has a theory … a conspiracy theory.
(0:00) Intro
(0:58) Sisqo or Ne-Yo
(9:01) Feeling for Josh Allen
(24:21) Stephen A. Smith misspeaks
(44:20) A Divine 9 discussion
(57:50) The
Kanye West Will Return, Druski and the Megachurch, and the Iranian Conflict
Van and Rachel discuss Teyana Taylor’s comments on Ye, Kai Cenat’s career shift, and Druski’s megachurch skit. Then an update on the conflicts with ICE agents before associate professor Hussein Banai joins to help shed light on the conflict in Iran.
(0:00) Intro
(15:44) Teyana Taylor and Kanye West
(31:17) Kai Cenat’s new path
(42:39) Druski’s megachurch skit
(1:00:14) J. Cole’s upcoming al
‘Sinners,’ Jasmine Crockett, and the Black Panthers
Van and Rachel kick the show off with some awards season reactions, check in on the situation in Minnesota, and react to some criticism of Representative Jasmine Crockett.
(0:00) NAACP Image Awards nominations
(5:47) Awards season reactions
(38:28) Kristy and Desmond Scott’s divorce
(53:13) Minneapolis update
(1:10:08) The Black Panthers and knowing your rights
(1:24:04) Bowen Yang, Matt R
Minneapolis ICE Shooting, Chris Redd Gets Candid, and the Penis Lawsuit
Van and Rachel discuss how House Democrats commemorated the five-year anniversary of the J6 riots before reacting to the ICE shooting in Minneapolis. Then, Spencer Pratt is running for mayor of L.A., former NFL player Matt Kalil is suing for talk about his penis size, and comedian Chris Redd gets candid on Instagram.
(0:00) Intro
(2:59) Van addresses the response to the last episode
(15:37) D
The Venezuela Takeover. Plus, a Conversation About Adin Ross, Doechii, and Black Men.
Van and Rachel kick off the New Year with a look at the drop in U.S. crime and Pastor Jamal Bryant’s defense of his wife’s dress before they welcome back 'Breaking Points’ host Ryan Grim to help break down Trump’s actions against Venezuela. Plus, a look at a pair of prominent lawsuits before a discussion of Adin Ross, Doechii, and Glasses Malone, the latter of whom came to the defense of the star
Do the Epstein Files Matter? Is Rachel an Auntie? Plus, Interracial Relationships and a New Diddy Doc
Van and Rachel close out 2025 with a bang! Thanks for listening and watching this year and keep doing so in the next. See ya’ll in 2026.
(0:00) Intro
(12:01) Van Lathan: King of Threads
(15:59) Auntie or nah?
(20:03) ‘Stranger Things’
(32:49) Chappelle backlash
(1:00:26) Nigeria strikes
(1:08:02) Epstein update
(1:21:57) Dr. Umar on Venus and Serena
(1:55:13) New Diddy documentary
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Dr. Ilyasah Shabazz and the Legacy of Malcolm X
Van and Rachel welcome author, activist, and daughter of Malcolm X, Dr. Ilyasah Shabazz, to discuss her father’s autobiography, 60 years after its first publication.
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Jeffrey Epstein, Nicki Minaj, and the Streets
Van and Rachel react to the latest Epstein file dump, Nicki Minaj’s “surprise” appearance at a Turning Point USA conference, and Dave Chappelle’s latest Netflix special. Plus, a breakdown of the “f--k the streets” controversy and the Jake Paul–Anthony Joshua fight.
(0:00) Intro
(7:54) Jeffrey Epstein file dump
(39:31) Nicki Minaj at TPUSA
(1:02:06) Dave Chappelle’s 'The Unstoppable'
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Epstein Distractions, Dr. Umar vs. 50 Cent, and Van’s N-Word Game
Van and Rachel discuss the dysfunction in the FBI and the Trump administration as a whole in the lead-up to the release of more Epstein files. Plus, Keith Edwards sparks debate on criticisms of candidates. Then, Dr. Umar weighs in on the Netflix Diddy documentary, and Van introduces a new game.
(0:00) Intro
(3:48) Dysfunction in the FBI
(29:57) Epstein distractions
(39:32) Vivek Ramaswamy an
The Reiner Family Tragedy, Mass Shootings, and an Uncle Nearest Apology Rating
Van and Rachel react to a weekend filled with difficult news, from the killing of Rob Reiner and his wife, Michele Singer Reiner, to the mass shootings at Brown University and a Hanukkah event in Australia. Then, the return of Philip Rivers resurrects discussions about Colin Kaepernick, the cofounder of Uncle Nearest apologizes, and Atlanta tops an OnlyFans list.
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Jasmine Crockett vs. James Talarico, Sherrone Moore Arrested, and Rachel Dating Drug Dealers
Van and Rachel discuss Representative Jasmine Crockett, who's entered the Senate race in Texas, and the rejection of health-care subsidies by the Senate. Then they react to the drama out of the University of Michigan. Plus, reporter Marc Caputo joins to shed light on Trump’s actions against Venezuela and political change in Miami. Finally, they talk about ‘Sinners’ erasure on end of the year lists
L.A. Hip-Hop Culture With Nana, and Sydney Sweeney Speaks
Van and Rachel welcome rapper Nana to talk hip-hop culture in Los Angeles before they react to Sydney Sweeney’s comments on her infamous jean ad campaign. Then a boxing-style scoring of the best back-and-forths between Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman.
(0:00) Intro
(11:41) Jason Derulo on working with women
(23:15) Nana joins the show
(53:04) Sydney Sweeney on the “great jeans” ad
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Talking Reparations and “Black Boy Tragic” With Governor Wes Moore! Plus, the Diddy Documentary and BD Wong’s Apology Rating. | Higher Learning | The Ringer
Rachel and Van start the show by talking about podcasters like Joe Rogan and his possible intentions with those he interviews. Then, they discuss Governor Josh Shapiro’s opinions on Kamala Harris’s book and react to both the new four-part Netflix documentary on Diddy and the response to it from Diddy’s team. Rachel also gives an apology rating to BD Wong. Later, they are joined by Governor Wes Moo
Pete Hegseth’s Investigation, and the Danish Deception
Van and Rachel are back from break to weigh in on the investigation of boat strikes, a TikTok relationship scam, and financial literacy in the NFL. Plus, Stephen A. Smith’s talking politics, tech bros are freestyling, and inmates are dancing with their daughters.
(0:00) Intro
(13:53) Boat strike investigations
(31:19) Defining ‘remigration’
(41:46) The Danish Deception
(1:04:33) Odell Beck
Trump Hearts Mamdani, MAGA Bots Exposed, and the Summer Walker Drama Explained
Van and Rachel check in on the state of politics and culture before taking a quick Thanksgiving break!
(0:00) Intro
(12:58) Mamdani’s meeting with Trump
(42:10) No primary challenge for Representative Hakeem Jeffries
(59:53) The erotic poetry of RFK Jr.
(1:16:14) A new game: Where in the world is MAGA?
(1:24:58) Klay Thompson vs. Ja Morant
(1:33:38) Summer Walker relationship drama
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Senator Brian Schatz On Trying to Comprehend MAGA. Plus, Men’s Views on the WNBA With Angel McCoughtry! | Higher Learning | The Ringer
Rachel and Van start the show by discussing Pharrell Williams's intention behind his comments from the last episode. They are then joined by U.S. Senator Brian Schatz from Hawaii to break down his X post about converting MAGA supporters. Last, they are joined by WNBA legend, musician, and honorary member of Zeta Phi Beta, Angel McCoughtry, to talk about how men treat and talk about the WNBA.
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MAGA Regrets, Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Apology, and Pharrell’s Philosophy
Van and Rachel react to fractures in the MAGA movement, give a rating for Marjorie Taylor Greene’s apology, and get into the Epstein brothers' correspondence about Trump “blowing Bubba.” Plus, Michelle Obama talks about America’s readiness for a woman president, Pharrell shares his dislike of politics, and Eric Adams goes to Israel.
(0:00) Black women in pop and hip-hop
(19:16) MAGA regrets
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Is the Shutdown Really Over? Plus, More Epstein Files Leak, and the State of the GOP With Emma Vigeland! | Higher Learning | The Ringer
Rachel and Van start the show by reacting to the Epstein emails released by both Democrats and Republicans. Then, they are joined by former reporter for the Young Turks and current co-host of the Majority Report, Emma Vigeland, to talk about the Epstein files, the state of the GOP, and the characteristics of useful disagreements between progressives. Later, they talk about the response toward Dona
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