Supernatural Then and Now
Supernatural Then and Now is a rewatch podcast hosted by actors Rob Benedict and Richard Speight Jr., who played Chuck Shurley/God and Gabriel on the CW series Supernatural. Each week, they revisit an episode of the show with guests from the cast and crew, including stars Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles. The podcast offers behind-the-scenes insights and discussions about the series' themes of family, fate, and faith.
Episodes
Alex Annie Alexis Ann with Katherine Ramdeen (S9EP19)
Kathrine Ramdeen joins the podcast to chat about her role as Alex. Or is it Annie? Rob wishes this was the backdoor pilot, but as we all know, it kinda is. The fellas learn a little more about Stockholm syndrome.
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Meta Fiction with "Sparkle" - Part 2 (S9EP18)
You've heard his name before on the podcast, Sparkle. His real name is Stephen P. Arkle. He was the colorist on Supernatural for almost its entire run. Hear the story of how he stated out working on beauty pagents in Australia to working on a 15 year series and never working on the episodes with the sound on. Plus, Rob and Rich learn a little something about metafiction in classic mythology.
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Meta Fiction with Richard Speight, Jr. - Part 1 (S9EP18)
We did two interviews for the episode and it ended up being too long, so we broke it up into two parts. Rich shares stories about his return to the series and how this episode led to him directing 11 episodes. Plus, we have a moment with Misha. You'll have to listen to find out who the second interview is with!
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Mother's Little Helper with Misha Collins (S9EP17)
Misha Collins returns to the podcast! This time not to talk about Castiel, but to talk about directing a great episode of television. With all the stories about the pranks and hijinks on set, we thought this would be a stinger, but it's great! Misha shares the stories of the shenanigans, and the challenges of directing. Rob and Rich learn about harvesting souls.
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Spotlight on Gil McKinney
Gil McKinney played Henry Winchester in Supernatural and The Winchesters. He joins the podcast to discuss playing the character, a different role he originally auditioned for, and the impact the opportunity has had on his career. He shares some pretty funny behind-the-scenes stories of pranks on set. Rob and Rich talk about Supernatural episodes that never happened.
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Blade Runners with Jimmy Pickel (S9EP16)
Editor Jimmy Pickel (not to be confused with Rich's friend for high-school) returns to the podcast. Hear about balancing humor and drama, Phil bringing down the hammer, and thoughts on Snookie's appearance. And whatever you do DON'T CROSS THE LINE!!! Rob and Rich learn about supernatural zoos.
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#thinman with Jenny Klein (S9EP15)
Writer Jenny Klein joins the podcast for this scary episode of Supernatural. Hear her story about starting as a writer production assistant, the origins of this idea, and her trips to set. She really gets sad about breaking up the Ghostfacers! Rob and Rich learn about Slender Man and Creepy Pasta.
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Replay: Spotlight on Eric Kripke
Rich has been pretty wrapped up with shooting a movie over the past 2 weeks, so we weren't able to record a new episode for today. Please enjoy this flashback to when we put on Spotlight on Eric Kripke. We'll be back next Saturday with what is sure to be a fantastic episode featuring Jenny Klein talking about #thinman.
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Captives with Jerry Wanek (S9EP14)
Jerry Wanek returns to the podcast to chat about this episode he directed. The group discusses the Men of Letters bunker, the return of Osric Chau and Lauren Tom, and Jerry's excellent shot choices. Rob and Rich learn a little something about the name Bartholomew.
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The Purge with Phil Sgriccia (S9EP13)
Phil Sgriccia returns to the podcast to discuss the only episode he directed in Season 9. He shares stories of putting Sam and Dean in a new setting, introducing a new monster (it's been awhile), and weirdness of cupping. Rob and Rich learn about pishtacos. Briana Buckmaster has entered the world!
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Sharp Teeth with DJ Qualls (S9EP12)
DJ Qualls (Garth) returns to the podcast to talk about his role as Garth. He shares behind the scenes stories about scheduling issues with Man In The High Castle, challenges of being a werewolf, and his disgust of mayonnaise. Rob and Rich learn a little something about Norse mythology.
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First Born with Tim Omundson (S9EP11)
Timothy Omundson (Cain) joins the podcast for his debut episode. Hear about how he channeled Bruce Lee, his college days with Rich, and why conventions & fans are so important to him. Why do people ask Rob to sign the first-blade? Plus, FELICIA DAY joins the podcast for a guest review. Rob and Rich learn a little something about Cain from the bible.
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Road Trip with Bob Singer (S9EP10)
We always love a heavy mythology episode, and who better to bring it all together than executive producer Bob Singer. He directs this episode where all comes to a head with Sam facing Gadreel, Crowley collaborates, and the boys are in a bad place. Rob and Rich learn a little something about the biblical inspiration for Gadreel. Anyone from Poughkeepsi listening?
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Holy Terror with Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner (S9EP9)
Writers Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner return to the podcast to share great behind-the-scenes stories of this heavy mythology episode. There is so much going on in this script that we had to go back to the source. Please Rob and Rich learn about X.
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Rock and a Hard Place with Kim Rhodes (S9EP8)
We are so excited to welcome Kim Rhodes (Sheriff Jody Mills) back to the podcast. She shares why this might not be her favorite episode, the joy of doing your own stunts, and why the relationship between Sam and Jody just works. Rob and Rich learn about the Roman goddess Vesta.
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Bad Boys with Adam Glass (S9EP7)
Writer Adam Glass returns to the podcast to discuss this awesome Dean-backstory episode. Adam shares where the idea came from, why it was important to the franchise, and why this episode is so personal to him. Plus, Rob and Rich learn a little more about ghosts.
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Heaven Can't Wait with Robert Berens (S9EP6)
Writer Robert Berens joins the podcast. Bob is a major architect of the show in seasons 9-15. He tells us how he got involved in the show, the challenges of coming up with a monster-of-the-week, and his role as a "sleeper-agent" for some fans. Rob and Rich learn a little something about categories of angels.
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Dog Dean Afternoon with Tim Andrew (S9EP5)
Director Tim Andrew makes his first appearance on the podcast. Tim directed 6 episodes of Supernatural. Hear about the joy of working with dogs, the antics on the set, and never heard before behind-the-scenes stories. Rob and Rich learn a little something about talking dog movies.
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Slumber Party with Todd Aronauer (S9EP4)
Producer Todd Aronauer returns to the show to talk season 9 and The Wizard of Oz. Learn what a bottle episode is, hear about shooting at the Men of Letters Bunker, and get info on the process of designing the look of the show. Rob and Rich learn about the books about Oz.
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I'm No Angel with Misha Collins (S9EP3)
Misha Collins returns to the podcast! He discusses Castiel being more human, feeling secure as a series regular on the show, and the SPN reunion on The Boys. This episode is a barrel of laughs!! Rob and Rich learn about Bartholomew.
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Devil May Care with Alaina Huffman (S9EP2)
Alaina Huffman joins the podcast to talk all things Abbadon. She plays one bad-ass knight from hell! Hear about stunt double hands, being naked in a tub, and cool costumes. Rob and Rich learn more about the bible. Rich wants to be Abbadon.
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I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here with Tahmoh Penikett (S9EP1)
Tahmoh Penikett joins the podcast to talk about Ezekiel (and maybe another character). Tahmoh talks about his journey as an actor, meet fans at conventions, and Jared's influence on his performance. Rob and Rich learn about seeing things on your death bed.
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FLASHBACK to In My Time of Dying with Jensen Ackles and Jeffrey Dean Morgan (S2EP1.2)
Here is a flashback to season 2, episode 1.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Jensen Ackles join Richard Speight Jr. and Rob Benedict for the launch of Season 2 of the podcast. They dive into details about In My Time of Dying. These guys respect each other so much. Hear inappropriate stories from the set and about the new matching tattoos they just got.
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Season 8 Podcast Finale!
Rob, Rich, and Steve pick their 5 favorite episodes from season 8. It is an impossible task because 8 is great (and not Speight!). Jeremy Carver had a great first season as the showrunner of Supernatural. There are several iconic episodes. Which ones will make the list? Listen to find out!
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Sacrifice with Mark Sheppard (S8EP23)
Mark Sheppard (Crowley) returns to the podcast to talk about the season finale of season 8 of Supernatural. Hear about him sitting in the chair, blowback for the opening scene with Kim Rhodes, and other behind-the-scenes stories. Rob and Rich learn angels being cast from heaven.
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Clip Show with Curtis Armstrong (S8EP22)
iving legend Curtis Armstrong joins the podcast for a walk through the 80s and the deep dive into Metatron. So much is covered in this conversation. Rob and Rich learn more about the Old Testament.
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The Great Escapist with Ben Edlund (S8EP21)
Ben Edlund returns to the podcast to discuss his swan song, the final episode he wrote for the show. Hear about the challenges of balancing multiple story lines, his thoughts on Sam's decline, and the appearance of Metatron. Rob and Rich learn a little something about curing demons.
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Pac-Man Fever with Felicia Day (S8EP20)
It's so great to have Felicia Day back on the podcast! Her portrayal of Charlie Bradbury is an important brick in the wall of Supernatural. She discusses working with Bob Singer, the incident on set that made her leave her body, and working with Robbie Thompson. She also discusses her new book! Rob and Rick learn about dream-hacking.
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Taxi Driver with Guy Norman Bee (S8EP19)
You talking to me? Director Guy Norman Bee returns to the podcast to discuss this heavy episode. Sam is making his way through the trails, and like a true hero, has gone to hell and back. Hear stories about the graffiti, creating hell, and having an episode with such a big cast. It's great to see Bobby again!
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Freaks and Geeks with Madison McLaughlin (S8EP18)
Actor Madison McLaughlin joins the podcast to discuss her role as Krissy Chambers. She shares on the set stories about Jensen Ackles and John Showalter being paternal on set, the challenges of being young in Hollywood, and the joy of the SPN Family. Rob and Rich learn about movies where kids hunt monsters!
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Goodbye Stranger with Rachel Miner (S8EP17)
It is always sad to see a character go in Supernatural, but it is always great to chat with Rachel Miner about our favorite television show. The pieces of season 8 are coming together! Hear from Rachel about her swan song with the show, flirting with...everyone, and how she got her start in acting. Rob and Rich learn about creepy crypts.
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Pilot REDUX with Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles (S1EP1.V2)
We are solving a crime from the past. Rob and Rich never reviewed the pilot of Supernatural or gave it a beard rating, so we are going back to the first episode to fix this mistake. Rob and Rich finally rewatch (as opposed to watching for the first time) the first episode of Supernatural and give it the rating it deserves. Plus, listen to the original interview with Jared and Jensen all over again
Remember the Titans with Chad Kennedy (S8EP16)
You may not see his name in the credits, but Chad Kennedy had a big hand in the execution of Supernatural. A fan of the series from the start, Chad served as the supervising executive from Warner Brothers for 11 seasons. Hear how he got his start in the business, insider info on Warner Brothers, and why the themes of this episode served as an analogy for the season. Rob and Rich remember the titan
Man's Best Friend with Benefits with Todd Aronauer (S8EP15)
Producer Todd Aronauer returns to the podcast to break down the post-production craft behind Supernatural’s “Man’s Best Friend with Benefits.” From refining pacing, to visual effects, sound design, and emotional continuity, Todd reveals how the episode evolves from script to screen. The trio discuss Chritian Campbell and Mischael Morgan's stellar performances. Rob and Rich get familiar with "famil
Trial and Error with Kevin Parks (S8EP14)
Kevin Parks, long time assistant director, joins the podcast to discuss his directorial debut on Supernatural. We love how the middle of Season 8 is such a shift for the Supernatural team, with so many of them getting a chance to try new roles on set. Kevin discusses working with Jared and Jensen, flexing new muscles, and hell-hounds. Rob and Rich learn about divine trials.
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Everybody Hates Hitler with Adam Rose (S8EP13)
Adam Rose joins the podcast for this fan favorite episode. He, Rob and Rich discuss shooting on set, Adam's approach to the role, and Nazi Nercomancers. Rob and Rich learn what a Golem is.
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As Time Goes By with Serge Ladouceur (8EP12)
Serge Ladouceur returns to the podcast. This time not as Cinematographer by as a director! He, Rob, and Rich dig into this fan favorite episode. We hear about the excellent performances of Gil McKinney and Alaina Huffman. We hear the story of how Serge got bumped up and what didn't make it into the episode. Rob and Rich learn cool things about demons.
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LARP and the Real Girl with Brad Creasser (S8EP11)
Brad Creasser returns to the podcast to discuss his turn as Cinematographer on this fan favorite episode. They discuss the joy of working with Felicia Day and her return to the role of Charlie Bradbury. They celebrate late director Jeannot Szwarc. Rob and Rich learn a little something about Celtic trees.
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Torn and Frayed with Tyler Johnston (S8EP10)
Tyler Johnston, who played Samandriel, joins the podcast to discuss his role and experience with the show. The team discusses the thing on Samandriel's head, the joy of coming back as a guest actor, screaming, and hijinks. Do you think Matt Pike (Bugs) grew up to be Samandriel's vessel? #hotdogs
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Citizen Fang with Jimmy Pickel (S8EP9)
Editor Jimmy Pickel joins the podcast to talk about his experience editing Citizen Fang. The conversation covers his start with the show, how he can enhance a moment, the inner-workings and politics of the post team (I can't imagine Phil mad). Rob and Rich learn a little something about local vampire lore in Louisiana.
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Hunteri Heroici with Mark Meloche (S8EP8)
Visual Effects Supervisor Mark Meloche joins us for today's looney episode. Sam and Dean get wrapped up in the world of cartoons when they re-connect with a psychokinetic, played by Mike Farrell. The conversation dives deep into the visual effects of the show, and reminisce about what a great family the crew is. Rob and Rich learn what psychokinetic is.
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Kings of Con Throwback: Alexander Calvert
Conventions, holidays, and family matters got in the way of getting the next Supernatural Then and Now episode out on time. However, this week in its place please enjoy this throwback episode to 2020 when Rob and Rich interview Alex Calvert for the Kings of Con podcast. They did into all things Alex, and it's wild to look back to life in 2020.
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A Little Slice of Kevin with Lauren Tom (S8EP7)
Lauren Tom doesn't just play Kevin's mom, she lit up screens in the Joy Luck Club and Bad Santa. Plus her voice is featured in King of the Hill and Rick and Morty. It is such an honor to have her on the podcast to talk about her role as Linda Tran.
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Southern Comfort with Adam Glass (S8EP6)
Writer Adam Glass returns to the podcast to discuss this monster-of-the-week episode. The guys bond over all being sons of the south, the mythology of specters, and the fun of writing for DJ Qualls. Plus, Adam gives us a little info about the new project he has works with Andrew Dabb.
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Blood Brother with Ty Olsson (S8EP5)
Ty Olson, who plays Benny Lafitte on Supernatural, joins the podcast to share some great behind the scenes stories. They get into purgatory, the relationship with Dean, and Sam's girlfriend. Rob and Rich are surprised to learn their is a hierarchy of angels.
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Bitten with Brad Creasser (S8EP4)
Camera Operator Brad Creasser joins the show for this episode to discuss the "found footage" format. This episode dives deeper into Supernatural's werewolf mythology. Rob and Rich face-off on their points of view on the show.
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Heartache with Michael Lawshe (S8EP3)
You asked for it and you got it! Sound master Michael Lawshe returns to the podcast with his bag of tricks. Hear how he creates those eerie heart beats, sounds of ripping flesh, and creating environment. He shares about collaborating with director, Jensen Ackles. This one is a treat for the ears, so be sure to listen in you 7.1 Dolby home theater. If you don't have one of those, headphones would w
Whats Up, Tiger Mommy with Andrew Dabb (S8EP2)
Andrew Dabb returns to the podcast to discuss all the changes in season 8, Benny, Kevin Tran, and Linda Tran. How much do you think dwarves gold is worth?
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We Need To Talk About Kevin with Osric Chau (S8EP1)
Join Rob and Rich as we kick-off season 8 of the podcast. They are joined by Osric Chau to discuss prophets, purgatory, and pandemonium. Osric dives deep into the role of Kevin. We also get all the details about the legendary wrestling match with Jared Padalecki.
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Season 7 Podcast Finale
Rob, Rich and Steve pick their top 5 from season 7. Trae pops in to share his thoughts too. Hilarity ensues. Plus, they pick their favorite episode from season 7. Can you guess what it is?
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Spotlight on Sera Gamble
Sera Gamble worked on Supernatural for 7 years and ran the show for seasons 6 and 7. She went on to create such hits as The Magicians and You. She joins the podcast and shares stories about her start with the series, lessons from Bob and Eric, and her favorite episodes.
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Spotlight on James Patrick Stewart
Season 7 wouldn't be complete without a conversation with James Patrick Stewart. We learn his secret to creating Dick Roman, his favorite moments from the season, all things leviathan, and how he got his start in acting. Rob and Rich nerd out a bit.
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Survival of the Fittest with Bob Singer, Plus Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles (S7EP23)
We've made it to the season 7 finale of Supernatural. We had a great conversation with Bob Singer about this episode and the entire season 7. We delve into the look of the Leviathan, the return of Baby, saying goodbye to Bobby, and the awesomeness of Rachel Miner. Plus, Jared and Jensen pop in to share some thoughts on season 7.
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There Will Be Blood featuring Guy Norman Bee (S7EP22)
Director Guy Norman Bee joins us for the penultimate episode of Season 7 of the show. We dig into the Alpha Vampire, fun easter-eggs, and why corn syrup is the perfect bad guy.
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Reading Is Fundamental with Ben Edlund (S7EP21)
Writer and director Ben Edlund returns to the podcast to this fantastic episode. They dig into the introduction of Kevin Tran, the leviathan, and the end of season 7. Rob and Rich discuss the "Word of Rob."
"Pull my finger."
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Girl With the Dungeons & Dragons Tattoo with Felicia Day (S7EP20)
Finally!! We are at an episode we've been so excited to cover. Felicia Day joins the podcast, and we discuss her introduction to Supernatural, Charlie Bradbury, behind-the-scenes moments, and casting a "Felicia Day Type."
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Throwback Kings of Con: Felicia Day
In anticipation of Felicia Day joining the podcast for Girl with the Dungeons and Dragons tattoo, here is a throwback to when Rob and Rich interviewed Felicia on Kings of Con back in 2021.
It does have profanity for those who listen with kids.
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Of Grave Importance with Brad Buckner & Eugenie Ross-Leming (S7EP19)
Writers Brad Buckner & Eugenie Ross-Leming join the podcast. They have an incredible career that started with the icon Norman Lear, then went to Scarecrow and Mrs. King, to Lois & Clark, and eventually Supernatural.
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Party On, Garth with DJ Qualls (S7EP18)
DJ Qualls, who you know as Garth, joins the podcast to discuss this fun episode. Hear about DJ's early career, Mr. Fizzles, and the joy of playing a hunter. Rich kills a spider.
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Spotlight on Genevieve and Jared Padalecki
When Genevieve popped into the interview with Jared it wasn't just 2 minutes it was a half hour! Here is the full conversation where they discuss Genevieve's time on the show, how she was nervous when she started, and why she was always going to Eric Kripke for answers.
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The Born-Again Identity with Todd Aronauer (S7EP17)
Producer Todd Aronauer returns to the podcast to discuss the return of Castiel. The team also discusses the evolution of the show and behind-the-scenes moments. Rob and Rich forget what amnesia is.
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Spotlight on Matt Frewer (Pestilence)
You know him as Pestilence. However, He became famous as Max Headroom. Hear his stories from the set. Rob is star-struck.
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Out With The Old with Mary-Ann Liu and Lee Anne Elaschuk (S7EP16)
Mary-Ann and Lee Anne worked as graphic designers on Supernatural for all 15 seasons. Hear how they interpreted the scripts, why their names often appear on documents in the series, and details on John Winchester's journal. Rob and Rich learn about curse boxes.
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Repo Man with Thomas J. Wright (S7EP15)
Thomas J. Wright directed 18 episodes of Supernatural. He is a living legend who got his start with Alfred Hitchcock and Rod Serling. Rich shadowed him on Supernatural. Rob and Rich learn about serial killers.
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Plucky Pennywhistle's Magical Menagerie with Jared Padalecki (S7EP14)
Jared Padalecki returns to the podcast for what might be the longest title of an episode we've ever had. He talks about his fear of clowns. Plus! A surprise guest! You'll never guess who it is. Here is a hint. She lives with Jared.
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The Slice Girls with Jerry Wanek (S7EP13)
Production designer and now director Jerry Wanek joins the episode. We dig into the Amazons, the Cobalt Room, and what it is like stepping into the big shoes on set. Rob and Rich learn how Amazons reproduce.
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Swan Song Part 2: Kripke Reloaded
Supernatural creator Eric Kripke returns to the podcast to talk about the season 5 finale and his exit from the show. He shares with us how he would have ended the series, the episode he always wanted to make, and what the SPN reunion was like on the set of The Boys.
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Time After Time with Phil Sgriccia (S7EP12)
T.V.'s favorite director, Phil Sgriccia, returns to the podcast to share behind-the-scenes stories. Time After Time. This is such a fun episode; Robbie Thompson did an excellent job with the script. Jensen Ackles jumps in for a moment to share some thoughts. Rob and Rich learn the difference between Chronos and Kronos.
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Adventures In Babysitting with Kevin McNally (S7EP11)
Kevin McNally joins the podcast. He is a legend of film, tv, and the stage. He gives us the dish on Frank and everything Supernatural. Hear how he pranked the boys before they pranked him.
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Jim Beaver's Death's Door Interview
Hear about Jim learning about Bobby's death, how he kept his eventual return secret from fans, and he emotional connection to the show.
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Death's Door without Jim Beaver (S7EO10)
Rob and Rich gush all over this fantastic episode. The episode doesn't have the interview with Jim Beaver yet. We are recording that on Wednesday, but I know that the credits are some people's favorite part of the podcast, so we are publishing what we have for the drop on Saturday, May 17th and will release the interview portion on Thursday, May 22nd.
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How To Win Friends and Influence Monsters with Don Koch (S7EP9)
Editor Don Koch joins the podcast for the first episode to feature an editor from the show! Don worked on Supernatural for 11 seasons, so getting his perspective is excellent. Rob and Rich discover the Jersey Devil.
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Season 7: Time for a Wedding with Emily Perkins (S7EP8)
Emily Perkins, who played super-fan, Becky Rosen in Supernatural joins the podcast. Hear about her journey as an actor, where she thinks things with Chuck went, and her interpretation of the character. Rob and Rich spend far too much time wondering if Becky ever saw Sam's wiener.
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The Mentalists with Ben Acker (S7EP7)
Co-writer Ben Acker joins the podcast. Ben Acker and Ben Blacker were only on the show for one season, but had a great time there. For a brief period, most of the writers were named Ben. Rob and Rich are surprised Lily Dale and the Fox sisters are real.
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Slash Fiction with Sean Owen Roberts (S7EP6)
Sean Owen Roberts who played Chet the Leviathan joins the podcast. Hear about his audition with Jensen Ackles, stories about still getting recognized, and even more about nacho cheese. Rob and Rich discover what "slash fiction" is.
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Shut Up, Dr. Phil with Jose Manzano (S7EP5)
It is always such a delight to have a conversation with one of the behind-the-scenes folks who rarely get to share their Supernatural experience. In this episode, we interview Jose Manzano, who was in the Supernatural camera department for all 15 seasons. Rob and "Witch" have mixed opinions about the episode. It's almost like a Supernatural Buffy: The Vampire Slayer with James Marsters and Charism
Defending Your Life with Marc Meyer (S7EP4)
Sound designer Marc Meyer joins the podcast. He worked on all 327 episodes of Supernatural and helped earn it two Emmy nominations. It's great to see Sam use his pre-law skills. Rob and Rich have a new sitcom idea, "Oh, Cyrus!"
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The Girl Next Door with Jensen Ackles (S7EP3)
Jensen Ackles returns to the podcast. This time to discuss his second time directing an episode of the series. He shares stories from set about working with Colin Ford and Jewel Staite. Bring your own cheese because this is not cho' cheese.
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Hello, Cruel World with Mark Pellegrino (S7EP2)
Mark Pellegrino, who famously played Lucifer, returns to the podcast. However, in season 7, is it Lucifer, a hallucination, or something in between? Mark also talks about his early days at conventions.
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