Startups For the Rest of Us
The original podcast for bootstrapped and mostly bootstrapped startups, this show follows the stories of founders as they start, acquire, and grow SaaS companies. Hear when they fail, struggle, succeed, and take you with them through the tumultuous life of a SaaS founder. If you like Mixergy, This Week in Startups, or SaaStr, you’ll enjoy Startup for the Rest of Us.
Episodes
Episode 842 | What is the Future of SaaS in an AI World? (Rob Solo)
Is SaaS dead now that AI can build an app in a weekend?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling gives his most definitive answer yet to the question flooding the internet: what's the future of SaaS now that AI makes it easier than ever to build and copy a product? He breaks down the four most common claims that AI will kill Saas, and explains why the real
Episode 841 | One-time Payments, Growing a Step 2 Business, Positioning, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)
Should you keep pouring time into a business that will probably never be huge?
In this episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about whether to keep growing a "step two" B2C business despite platform risk, when one-time payments make sense versus subscriptions, and how to price and position a Shopify app that needs custom implementation work.
Episode 840 | 5 PM Revisited, Starting Over After Failure, Never Shipping, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)
What's really stopping you from shipping your product and how do you finally push through?
In this listener questions episode, Rob Walling covers a lot of ground: revisiting the 5PM framework with more opinionated guidance on pricing and market size, the right time to use vibe coding in your SaaS, why B2C apps are brutal, how to rebuild after startup
Episode 839 | The Journey Growing Help Scout to $35M ARR
What happens when a bootstrapper at heart raises $28 million and spends the next decade living with that decision?
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Nick Francis, the co-founder of Help Scout, to walk through the full 15-year arc of building one of the most beloved support tools in SaaS. From the cramped Techstars apartment he shared with a
Episode 838 | 6 Key Takeaways From a TinySeed Batch Kick-Off
What do 15 brand-new TinySeed founders have in common?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling shares six key takeaways from the most recent TinySeed batch kickoff in New York City. He covers why asking "why" is the most underrated founder habit, why pricing is still the biggest lever in SaaS and positioning might be the second biggest, why AI SEO is alre
Episode 837 | How Do You Learn Product? and Optimizing Your Trial Funnel (with Ruben Gamez)
How does a founder actually learn the skill of product?
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Ruben Gamez of SignWell and Bidsketch to answer listener questions that turned into a much deeper conversation than expected. They cover why friction works well for one of Ruben's products and kills conversions on the other, how to think about trial length
Episode 836 | The 5 A.I. Moats Acquirers Value Most
Is your SaaS actually protected from AI disruption, or are acquirers walking away without even looking?
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Einar Vollset of Discretion Capital for a front-lines SaaS M&A market report, covering how the acquisition climate has shifted since 2021, why some PE firms now require at least one AI moat before they'll
Episode 835 | The Right Way to Use AI in Your Startup Marketing
Are you using AI in your marketing because it's actually good, or just because it's fast?
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Taylor Hendricksen, a performance marketer who has managed tens of millions of dollars in ad spend across Meta and Google, to talk about where AI is genuinely useful and where it produces flat, mediocre output that mak
Episode 834 | Eric Ries Revisits The Lean Startup and Discusses How to Become Incorruptible
Is AI actually making your build-measure-learn cycle faster, or just making your work more average?
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Eric Ries, author of The Lean Startup, to revisit what's held up in Lean Startup thinking 15 years on, why AI speeds up building but can't replace human learning, and what drove Eric to write his new book, Incor
Episode 833 | Success Patterns of Nobel Laureates, Developing Expertise, and From Zero to $10k (A Rob Solo Adventure)
What do Nobel Prize winners and successful bootstrappers have in common?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling shares the story of how a TinySeed company went from near-zero revenue to $10,000-$20,000 a month almost overnight, breaks down Claude Shannon's research on the habits that separated Nobel laureates from forgotten scientists, and explores why d
Episode 832 | Going Full-time, When to Pivot, Building With Young Kids, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)
How do you leave a $400K salary to go all in on your business?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling cranks through a backlog of listener questions on reducing risk with your startup to go full-time, when to register as a business, how to price a SaaS with seat ambiguity, when to pivot, and how to keep building when you have four kids under eight.
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Episode 831 | Written vs. Verbal Ad Copy, Selling Into a Low-Awareness Market, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)
Should your first customer pay you, or get your product for free?
In this episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions on charging customer zero, what metrics to track for a seasonal transaction fee-based SaaS, what it really means to sell into a low-awareness market, and when freelancers help vs. hurt your bootstrapped business. He also calls in
Episode 830 | Breaking Through Plateaus, Zero-Click Marketing, and More from MicroConf 2026 (with Derrick Reimer)
What were the highlights and takeaways from MicroConf?
In this episode, Rob Walling and Derrick Reimer recap MicroConf US 2026 in Portland, Oregon. They break down the best talks from the event, including Jason Cohen on breaking through growth plateaus, Amanda Natividad on Zero-Click Marketing and broken attribution, Rob's framework for six ways to
Episode 829 | AI is Bad at Product, Top 5 Startup Success Factors, and the Beastie Boys (A Rob Solo Adventure)
Can AI really handle product decisions for your SaaS?
In this solo adventure, Rob Walling revisits the core four SaaS skills and breaks down what AI can and cannot do across Development, Sales, Marketing, and Product. He also reframes Bill Gross's top five startup success factors for bootstrappers, walks through a hilariously bad UX decision by a loc
Episode 828 | Am I Building a SaaS?, Serving Both B2C and B2B, Pricing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)
Is your product actually a SaaS?
In this episode, Rob Walling tackles listener questions about what really qualifies as SaaS (and where he disagrees with ChatGPT), how to serve both solopreneurs and enterprise customers with a dual funnel strategy, layering a B2B offering on top of a B2C product, pricing a mission-driven app without gatekeeping acces
Episode 827 | The Founder's Guide to Selling Your SaaS for What It's Actually Worth
What would it mean for you to leave 60 or 70% of your company's value on the table when you sell?
In this episode, Rob sits down with Einar Vollset, co-founder of TinySeed and founder of Discretion Capital, to talk about his new book, The Definitive Guide to M&A for B2B SaaS between $2 and $20 million ARR. They dig into why private equity now dom
Episode 826 | How to Find, Hire, and Work with Owner-Level Thinkers
How do you find someone who thinks like an owner, not just a task-doer?
In this episode, Rob digs into a batch of listener questions about task level, project level, and owner level thinkers. He covers how to identify them, what they cost, where to find them, and why building a team of exceptional people creates a virtuous cycle that lifts everyone u
Episode 825 | Talking Tailwind CSS and Founder Fitness (with Adam Wathan)
What happens when AI starts competing with your open source business?
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Adam Wathan, co-founder of Tailwind CSS, for a candid conversation about the dramatic revenue decline that forced Tailwind Labs to lay off most of their team. Adam shares the hard lessons learned from running a business based on one-time
Episode 824 | Crowded Markets, Problem Aware, A Stolen Idea, and More Listener Questions (with Jordan Gal)
What do you do when a collaborator takes your idea and builds a competing product?
In this episode, Rob Walling is joined by fan favorite Jordan Gal to answer listener questions on some of the trickiest challenges founders face. They cover financing decisions like using debt to bridge cash flow gaps, competing in markets flooded with vibe-coded apps,
Episode 823 | Hot Take Tuesday: Is A.I. Killing B2B SaaS?, ChatGPT Ads, OpenClaw
Is AI really killing B2B SaaS, or is it just subscription software by another name?
In this Hot Take Tuesday, Rob Walling, Einar Vollset, and Tracy Osborn dig into the market panic around SaaS stocks, whether AI models are actually getting better, ChatGPT's move into advertising (and Anthropic's spicy response), and the explosion of OpenClaw. They al
Episode 822 | No-code vs. A.I. Coding, SaaS Margins in the A.I. Age, and More Listener Questions (with Derrick Reimer)
Should you build your SaaS with no-code tools, or is AI coding the better path forward?
In this episode, Rob is joined by fan favorite Derrick Reimer to tackle listener questions on no-code vs. AI vibe coding, when to take small funding early vs. pure bootstrapping, whether SaaS margins will compress as AI makes building cheaper, and how to get truly
Episode 821 | How to Do Founder-Led Marketing (with Jay Clouse)
Is founder-led marketing right for your SaaS, or just a distraction?
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Jay Clouse, founder of Creator Science, to explore founder-led marketing. They dig into how Jay overcame his own limiting beliefs about creativity, why most SaaS founders probably shouldn't pursue content creation, and how to evaluate whet
Episode 820 | When to Quit Your Day Job, A.I. Feasibility Risk, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)
When do you finally quit your day job and go all-in on your startup?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about when it’s worth taking funding to speed up your path to full-time, how to think about equity when a co-founder joins late, and whether A.I. is shifting startup risk from market risk to feasibility risk. He also break
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)
Could your business structure quietly cost you millions when you sell?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about when QSBS might justify a C Corp (vs. staying an S Corp or LLC), why SaaS exits are often discussed in ARR multiples rather than EBITDA, and how the profitability/growth tradeoff impacts valuation. He also shares t
Episode 818 | What Does It Take to Be Successful? with Russ Walling
Is perfectionism quietly sabotaging your career or startup dreams?
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with his brother, Russ Walling, about the mindset and habits that shape long-term success from overcoming perfectionism to building resilience and learning to make tough calls without all the answers.
They discuss how growing up with a shared emph
Episode 817 | Bootstrapping in the Age of AI with Jason Cohen
How would a 2x unicorn founder build his next startup with AI?
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Jason Cohen, founder of SmartBear and WP Engine, to talk about building billion-dollar businesses, the future of AI for founders, and what makes small companies thrive even when the odds are stacked against them.
They dig into the early days
Episode 816 | Developing an Editorial Eye, The Right Kind of Stubborn, and The Power of Focus (A Rob Solo Adventure)
Have you ever pushed so hard on an idea that you missed the signal to change direction?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling covers a wide range of topics and dives into three areas every founder should master: how to develop an editorial eye (or “taste”), the difference between persistence and obstinance, and why focus, not diversification remains the
Episode 815 | Unexpected Skills Your Day Job Can Teach You About Entrepreneurship (Rob Solo)
Can your 9-to-5 job secretly prepare you to be a founder?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling shares 11 unexpected lessons from his own day jobs, from courier to electrician to engineering manager, and how each role quietly taught him skills that shaped his success as a SaaS founder. He dives into the value of curiosity, self-education, and learning to
Episode 814 | How to Beat a Venture-Backed Competitor (with Laura Roeder)
What’s it take for a bootstrapped SaaS to beat a competitor with $10M in venture funding?
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Laura Roeder, founder of Paperbell, about how her lean, fully-bootstrapped team outlasted and outperformed a VC-funded rival. They discuss what the venture-backed company got wrong, how Paperbell focused on the right cust
Episode 813 | SaaS Predictions for 2026 (+ Reflections on 2025)
How will AI, SEO, and market shifts change SaaS next year?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling revisits his predictions for 2025, what he got right, what he totally missed and shares nine new predictions for 2026. He reflects on trends shaping bootstrapped SaaS, from the rise of AI-first startups to the challenges facing horizontal SaaS founders.
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Episode 812 | The 2025 State of TinySeed
After funding 210+ B2B SaaS companies, what patterns have emerged?
In this episode, Rob Walling shares the 2025 State of TinySeed, from its first fund in 2018 to a global portfolio of over 210 B2B SaaS companies. He reflects on TinySeed’s growth, what the data reveals about today’s founders, funding trends, and the rise of AI-first startups.
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Episode 811 | When to Delegate the "Core Four SaaS Skills," Freemium Retention Rates, and More Listener Questions (A Rob Solo Adventure)
How do you step back from daily decisions without losing control of your SaaS?
In this episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about when to delegate key founder skills, whether great founders can succeed with any idea, and the limits of no-code or “vibe-coded” apps.
To help answer one question, he calls up Ruben Gamez to get his insights
Episode 810 | The Best A.I. Coding Stack, Shipping Fast, and More Listener Questions (With Derrick Reimer)
How much design polish is really enough?
In this episode, Rob Walling is joined by fan favorite Derrick Reimer for a new round of listener questions. They dig into the best AI coding stacks right now, how to ship fast without losing polish, whether AI is changing the kind of risk founders face, and when to start taking security seriously.
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Episode 809 | What I Learned Diving into A.I. for 100 Days (with Craig Hewitt)
What are the can't-miss AI tools for SaaS founders?
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Craig Hewitt, founder of Castos, to dive deep into Craig’s “100 Days of AI” YouTube series. They discuss the lessons learned from exploring the latest AI tools for founders, why ChatGPT might not be the best option for SaaS entrepreneurs, and which AI plat
Episode 808 | A $500k "Step 1" Business, When to Consider SOC2, and More Listener Questions
Is it time to sell, autopilot, or double down on your plateaued SaaS business?
In this episode, Rob Walling tackles listener questions and shares practical frameworks for what to do when your product hits a plateau, explains why “autopilot” often leads to decline, and outlines when founders should seriously consider SOC 2 compliance. Rob also talks a
Episode 807 | The "Core Four" SaaS Skills and Knowing When You Should Find a Co-founder (A Rob Solo Adventure)
Is hiring a sales and marketing co-founder the secret sauce for technical SaaS founders?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling tackles a fresh batch of listener questions, starting with one of the most common dilemmas for technical founders: should you hire a sales and marketing co-founder or go it alone?
He introduces his “Core Four” mental model, th
Episode 806 | Bootstrapping Missive to $8M ARR Over 10 Years
Can a small team really bootstrap to $8M ARR in a crowded SaaS market?
In this episode, Rob Walling chats with Philippe Lehoux about how he and his co-founders bootstrapped Missive, a collaborative email and team inbox tool. They deep dive into landing early customers, unique horizontal positioning, content-driven growth, enterprise sales, and how to
Episode 805 | Gatekeeping vs. Paying Dues, Raw Material, and Surrounding Yourself with the Right People (A Rob Solo Adventure)
How much does your startup idea matter compared to your execution?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling covers several founder-focused topics: the difference between gatekeeping and paying your dues, why raw material beats polish, and why successful people don't mind others winning. He also shares a listener's exit story, discusses optimism in founder c
Episode 804 | Positioning, Inventing a Category, Marketing Globally, and More Listener Questions (A Rob Solo Adventure)
Can bootstrapped founders really invent a new category with AI or is it a trap?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling answers a fresh batch of listener questions covering SaaS marketing, global expansion, and strategic positioning. He shares advice on whether inventing a new product category is ever worth it and the nuances of updating your positioning a
Episode 803 | 8 Key Takeaways from MicroConf Europe 2025
What's it really like to attend MicroConf?
In this episode, Rob Walling and Laura Sprinkle, founder of Rootabl, recap MicroConf Europe 2025 in Istanbul. They discuss the MicroConf vibe, standout talks on AI, affiliate marketing, and SaaS growth, as well as the value of networking and connecting while getting outside the conference room.
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Episode 802 | Marketing Not Scaling, Where to Publish Content, and More Listener Questions (A Rob Solo Adventure)
Where’s the best place to publish if you’re starting content from scratch?
In this episode, Rob Walling flies solo, answering your questions on marketing and audience building. He covers what to do when your channels stop scaling, where to publish early on, and the "media company first" approach.
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Episode 801 | Competing Against Incumbents, Technical Co-Founders, Trademarks, and More Listener Questions with Derrick Reimer
Can churn ever be good in SaaS?
In this episode, Rob Walling is joined by fan favorite Derrick Reimer for a listener Q&A. They break down what it takes to compete with well-funded incumbents, how to decide whether to pivot or push forward, when a technical co-founder is truly necessary, the right time to think about trademarks, and the difference
Episode 800 | The 12 Commandments of Startups for the Rest of Us
What if you could get all 15 years of this podcast bundled up into one episode?
In episode 800, Rob Walling goes solo for a special milestone installment of Startups For the Rest of Us. He covers the 12 foundational commandments that shape his approach to SaaS, hard-won lessons forged from years of building, investing in, and advising startups.
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Episode 799 | TinySeed Tales s5e6: $500k ARR!
What's next for OutboundSync?
In the Season 5 finale of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling talks with Harris Kenny as OutboundSync blows past $500k ARR. Harris shares the wins and struggles of getting here, from choosing not to raise funding (for now), to planning a laser tag event no committee would approve, to what comes next on the road to $1M.
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Episode 798 | Lessons From 10 Years of SaaS Growth Without a Hockey Stick
How do you bootstrap a SaaS to $1 million+ ARR?
In this episode, Rob Walling chats with Colin Bartlett about how he and his co-founder Andy transformed a side project monitoring tool into a seven-figure ARR business that now serves as an early warning system for outages across 6,000+ services.
From nearly abandoning the product during three stagn
Episode 797 | TinySeed Tales s5e5: Should I Raise More Funding?
OutboundSync just hit $35k MRR—but the decisions are only getting harder.
In this episode of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling and Harris Kenny dive into the messy middle of SaaS growth, where every opportunity comes with a trade-off. They explore the tension between raising funds you don't need, staying focused when good ideas keep coming, and building a
Episode 796 | Marketing Isn't Easy?, How to Grow Your Company, and Be Careful Who You Listen To (A Rob Solo Adventure)
What if your SaaS isn’t growing because of the product, not the marketing?
In this solo adventure episode, Rob Walling unpacks why SaaS marketing feels harder than ever and why most advice out there will waste your time. He shares how he’d approach things if growth has stalled, the questions he’d ask first, and why real progress comes from proven fun
Episode 795 | TinySeed Tales s5e4: The $20K Milestone
Harris hit $20k MRR. It’s real. What’s next?
In this episode of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling celebrates with Harris Kenny after OutboundSync crosses $20k MRR ahead of schedule. They talk about why hitting a milestone can feel both exciting and overwhelming, the arrival fallacy, and how simple, consistent execution may be all it takes to reach $30k. Ha
Episode 794 | From Struggling Side Project to Life-Changing SaaS Exit
B2C, low price point, one-time payments… not the typical recipe for a life-changing exit.
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with longtime listener Zamir Khan, founder of VidHug (now Memento). Zamir’s story broke a lot of SaaS “rules”: B2C, low price point, one-time payments, and years of slow growth. He shares how he nearly gave up, the pandemic s
Episode 793 | TinySeed Tales s5e3: Building Momentum
What happens when momentum hits and your biggest challenge becomes keeping up?
In this episode of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling catches up with Harris Kenny, founder of OutboundSync. Revenue is growing, the team is moving fast, and enterprise leads are coming in. But with success comes complexity: support load, pricing strategy, and product demands are
Episode 792 | Hot Take Tuesday: GPT-5 Struggles, the A.I. Bubble, and the Windsurf Debacle
Is GPT-5 a real risk for SaaS founders, or just the beginning of a new chapter?
In this Hot Take Tuesday, Rob Walling, Einar Vollset, and Tracy Osborn dig into GPT-5’s mixed reviews, signs of stress in the A.I. bubble, and how Windsurf’s $2.4B exit left early employees with nothing. They also unpack why returning a VC fund is such a rare (and big) de
Episode 791 | TinySeed Tales s5e2: Growing Pains
In this episode of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling reconnects with Harris Kenny, founder of OutboundSync, to explore the rapid evolution of his SaaS business just months after transitioning from agency work.
Harris shares how niching down to outbound-focused agencies unlocked sales momentum. He talks about hiring, his Salesforce breakthrough, SOC 2 prep,
Episode 790 | From Scrappy to Scalable: Evolving Your Role as a Founder
How can you scale yourself as a founder?
In this episode, Rob Walling is joined by Yaniv Bernstein (co-founder and CTO of Vera, former COO, VP of Engineering, and Google leader) to unpack how a founder’s role must change as the company grows. From writing the code yourself to leading managers of managers, they dig into the tough transitions every fou
Episode 789 | TinySeed Tales s5e1: From Agency to SaaS
Welcome to Season 5 of TinySeed Tales, the documentary-style series where we follow one SaaS founder’s journey over 12 months to hear about the wins, the missteps, and everything in between.
In this season premiere, Rob Walling introduces Harris Kenny of OutboundSync. After running a successful agency, Harris makes the leap to go all-in on SaaS. It’s
Episode 788 | Do I Need a Co-founder? And More Listener Questions (with Derrick Reimer)
What are the real risks of AI-generated code and “vibe coding”?
In this episode, Rob Walling is joined once again by fan-favorite Derrick Reimer to answer a fresh batch of listener questions. They dig into solo vs. co-founder trade-offs, managing scope creep, and how integrations can shape early traction.
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Episode 787 | "We Shut Down a $1.5M Product, and Raised $10M Instead"
How do you know it’s time to move on from a product that’s growing?
In this episode, Rob Walling chats with Braden Dennis, co-founder of Fiscal.ai (formerly FinChat), about a rare founder journey: bootstrapping, catching lightning in a bottle, and choosing to go big with venture capital. They dive into the emotional and strategic weight of shutting d
Episode 786 | Questions About Bootstrapping SaaS to a $90M Exit (with Kevin Wagstaff)
How do you really know when you’ve hit product-market fit?
In this episode, Rob Walling welcomes back Kevin Wagstaff, co-founder of Spectora, to answer listener questions about early traction in Facebook groups, finding product-market fit, handling criticism, and what it really took to bootstrap to a $90M exit.
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Episode 785 | Choosing Between AI Products, Building Multiple Apps, and More Listener Questions (A Rob Solo Adventure)
How do you choose between multiple product ideas?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about picking between two SaaS ideas, product positioning, and how to know when to stop working on a project.
Want to get your question answered? Drop them here.
Topics we cover:
(3:06) – Choosing between two AI products
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Episode 784 | The Wealth Ladder: Six Levels of Financial Freedom
What’s the real roadmap to lasting financial freedom?
In this episode, Rob Walling chats with Nick Maggiulli about his new book, The Wealth Ladder. Nick explains how to identify your current financial stage and what it really takes to move up. They dig into how wealth changes your spending habits, why exits (not salaries) drive significant changes in
Episode 783 | Bootstrapping ScrapingBee to $5M ARR and an 8-Figure Exit
When is the right time to sell your profitable SaaS?
In this week's episode, Rob Walling talks with Pierre de Wulf, co-founder of ScrapingBee, about how they mostly bootstrapped their web scraping SaaS to $5 million ARR and an eight-figure all-cash exit. They explore the pivotal shift that took them from $7K MRR to nearly $1M ARR in just 15 months, w
Episode 782 | Why I Succeeded: My 10 Best Entrepreneurial Decisions
Looking back on your entrepreneurship journey, which decisions made the biggest impact?
In this solo episode, Rob Walling breaks down the 10 decisions that shaped his success, like choosing action over perfection, learning fast from failure, and building a financial cushion to take smarter risks. It’s an honest look at what worked and the choices tha
Episode 781 | A Founder's Regret List: 12 Mistakes I’ll Never Make Again
Are you repeating any of these mistakes in your business?
In this episode, Rob Walling walks through his ‘founder regret list’, detailing 12 key mistakes from his 20-year entrepreneurial journey. In this very personal episode, he tells some stories he’s never shared publicly before.
Topics we cover:
(4:17) – Thinking venture capital was the
Episode 780 | "I'll Never Sell My Company" and Other Myths Founders Tell Themselves
What if your biggest growth blocker isn’t the market, but the story you’re telling yourself?
In this episode, Rob Walling welcomes back fan favorite Ruben Gamez, founder of SignWell, to debunk common bootstrapper myths. They discuss misconceptions like never needing to sell your company or market your product, and emphasize the realities of growth pl
Episode 779 | 10 Myths Most SaaS Founders Believe
Are common SaaS myths sabotaging your success?
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with SaaS growth expert (and TinySeed Institute coach) Marc Thomas to break down ten persistent and damaging myths believed by many SaaS founders and why challenging them is key to scaling smart.
Topics we cover:
(4:52) – “I’m not good at marketing” is a lie
Episode 778 | Pricing Pilot Projects, Niching Down, Skipping Stairsteps, and More Listener Questions (A Rob Solo Adventure)
How do you price pilot projects and niche down without hedging your bets?
In this episode, Rob Walling answers listener questions about pricing pilots, choosing niches, and skipping steps on his Stair Step Method of Bootstrapping.
Want to get your question answered? Drop them here.
Topics we cover:
(3:25) – Feedback on Season 4 of TinySeed
Episode 777 | Why Retiring Might Be the Worst Goal for Entrepreneurs
What if the traditional dream of retirement is actually a trap for entrepreneurs?
In this episode, Rob Walling talks with Derek Coburn, author of Let’s Retire Retirement: How to Enjoy Life to the Fullest, to challenge the long-held belief that early retirement is the ultimate goal. They explore why many entrepreneurs feel unfulfilled after retiring a
Episode 776 | How Bootstrapping Led to a Life-Changing $90M SaaS Exit
What’s it take to bootstrap a niche SaaS to $90M without raising a dime?
In this episode, Kevin Wagstaff joins Rob Walling to share how he and his brother bootstrapped Spectora from a scrappy MVP to a $90M valuation. It’s a masterclass in finding traction in unsexy markets, building with empathy, and making smart bets like embedded payments.
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Episode 775 | A.I. Coding Tools, User Experience, Racking Your Own Servers, and More Listener Questions (with Derrick Reimer)
What shortcuts are actually worth taking when you're building a SaaS?
In this episode, Rob Walling and fan favorite Derrick Reimer delve into listener questions about startup development. They discuss the impact of AI coding tools on building minimum viable products (MVPs) and the importance of user experience (UX) with advice on balancing UX investm
Episode 774 | How a Non-Technical Founder Bootstrapped to Millions in Revenue
In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Noah Tucker, the non-technical founder behind Social Snowball, an affiliate marketing SaaS built for Shopify. Noah bootstrapped the company to $5M+ in ARR, navigating technical roadblocks, team-building hurdles, and a crumbling codebase, while leveraging bold growth tactics like influencer partnerships to scal
Episode 773 | How to Find Your Early Customer Profile (ECP)
In this episode, Rob Walling and Maja Voje, author of Go to Market Strategist, dive into early customer profiles (ECPs) and why they matter more than ideal customer profiles (ICPs) early on. They explore practical, scrappy marketing tactics for B2B SaaS founders and share real-world advice on customer acquisition, community building, and staying authent
Episode 772 | A Highly Effective Framework for SaaS Positioning
How do you position your SaaS for success?
In episode 772, Rob Walling talks with Anthony Pierri of Fletch about a proven approach to product positioning. They discuss key lessons from 400+ startups, focusing on workflows, competitive alternatives, and why narrowing your audience matters.
Topics we cover:
(6:59) – What is positioning, really
Episode 771 | What Changes As You Grow, AI Agents, Patents, and More Listener Questions (with Craig Hewitt)
Can SaaS companies survive the rise of AI Agents?
In episode 771, Rob Walling is joined by Craig Hewitt to answer listener questions. They discuss the changes that happen while transitioning from a small startup to a multi-million dollar SaaS, competing against larger competitors, and maintaining startup culture as teams grow. They also share thoughts o
Episode 770 | Revenue vs. Profit, Asking for Permission, and Mike Tyson (A Rob Solo Adventure)
Is it more important for entrepreneurs to focus on revenue or profit?
In episode 770, Rob Walling goes solo to explore the relationship between revenue and profit in SaaS, and the dangers of waiting for permission. He also draws inspiration from Mike Tyson’s work ethic and George Lucas’ visionary mindset to encourage entrepreneurs to push through obs
Episode 769 | Key Insights from MicroConf 2025 in New Orleans
Did you miss out on MicroConf US in New Orleans?
In episode 769, Rob Walling welcomes Derrick Reimer back to share highlights from MicroConf New Orleans. They dive into the event's vibrant atmosphere, standout founder talks, and the energizing mix of new and familiar faces that made this gathering in the Big Easy truly special.
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Episode 768 | Reacting to Controversial Startup Advice
Do you disagree with any of these controversial takes about bootstrapping?
In episode 768, Rob Walling unpacks a series of semi-controversial beliefs about bootstrapping from ScrapingBee’s Pierre de Wulf. Rob evaluates each point from Pierre's tweet, discussing topics like rebranding your SaaS, the hidden problem of affiliate marketing, and the reali
Episode 767 | Finding Your ICP, Prioritizing Feature Requests, Pricing, and More Product-Focused Listener Questions
Is product management more of an art, or a science?
In episode 767, Rob Walling is joined again by Brendan Fortune to answer listener questions focused on product management. They discuss identifying your ideal customer profile, prioritizing feature requests, and positioning against competitors. They also weigh in on how product managers should focus
Episode 766 | Close.com's Amazing Run to $40M ARR (with Steli Efti)
How do you achieve both success and longevity in SaaS?
In episode 766, Rob chats with Steli Efti about growing Close.com to over $40 million in ARR. Steli shares insights into the importance of maintaining strong co-founder relationships over 12 years, navigating crises, and the importance of emotional resilience in entrepreneurship. They also dive i
Episode 765 | TinySeed Tales s4e9: Making the hardest decision
Is it time to shut down for good?
In this season finale of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling sits down with Colleen Schnettler, founder of Hello Query, to reflect on her journey over the past few years.
Colleen candidly shares the challenges she faced while trying to grow her SaaS business, including the difficult decision to shut it down after struggl
Episode 764 | Finding Hockey Stick Growth with an A.I. Wrapper (with Jordan Gal)
How do you build an MVP for an AI-enabled SaaS?
In episode 764, Rob Walling interviews Jordan Gal, co-founder of Rosie, to learn about how he pivoted from Rally to build an AI-driven product for small business owners. Jordan shares insights into the challenges of finding product-market fit, the importance of trial and error, and the rapid growth Ros
Episode 763 | TinySeed Tales s4e8: One Last Pivot
Is it time to set a deadline for when to quit your startup?
In this episode of TinySeed Tales, Rob Walling reconnects with Colleen Schnettler, co-founder of Hello Query, as she tries to achieve product-market fit on a deadline.
Colleen reveals the struggles of cold outreach and the overwhelming data landscape while testing a potential solution. Wi
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