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Continuous Agitation

Continuous Agitation

Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich 2 episodes Latest May 28, 2026

Continuous Agitation is a podcast where two working photographers, Jay Fram and Bill Sawalich, share their decades of experience in the photo business. They discuss what's working, what isn't, and the ongoing changes in the industry. The show offers honest insights from professionals still navigating their careers.

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Let Them Eat Cake Jun 4, 2026 00:42:18 Is usage licensing dead? Not exactly. But the business it was built for doesn't really exist anymore. Print is all but gone. Social media now accounts for 80% (!) of ad spend in the US. Clients want the C word [rhymes with shmontent] by the dump truck load and there are ten times as many people willing to shoot it.@asksternrep, a prominent photo rep with an excellent advice page, recently posted a
AI Moonrise Hernandez May 28, 2026 00:41:29 The Danziger Gallery is showing a large-format AI-generated color version of Ansel Adams' Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico. Prompt: make a realistic color version of Ansel Adams' iconic Moonrise over Hernandez. Reaction: gross. But also, this is the AI version of Richard Prince shenanigans. Which pulls us into Prince's Untitled Cowboys — Marlboro ads torn from magazines, rephotographed, sold for mi
Why are we doing this? May 22, 2026 00:40:51 Continuous Agitation — Episode 1: Why Are We Doing This?This first episode is an origin story — why two working photographers decided to start recording their phone calls and sharing them with strangers. We’ve been having these conversations for years and figured other photographers might get something out of it. But also: Jay can't find much content that reflects the business reality he’s actuall

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