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The Leading in a Crisis Podcast

The Leading in a Crisis Podcast

Tom Mueller 89 Episodes Jul 22, 2026

Interviews, stories and lessons learned from experienced crisis leaders. The podcast explores effective leadership in corporate or public crisis situations, drawing on real-world experiences from those who have lived through major crisis events. Host Tom Mueller, a veteran crisis manager and trainer, and co-host Marc Mullen provide insights into crisis communication, response, and recovery. The show aims to equip listeners with knowledge and skills for handling crises.

Episodes

EP89 Feeding the political and media machines during a crisis, with Chief Craig Covey
EP89 Feeding the political and media machines during a crisis, with Chief Craig Covey Jul 22, 2026 1437 Send us Fan MailWhen 50,000 people are evacuated, the emergency is only half the fight, the other half is the information. We pick up our conversation with Orange County Fire Authority Division Chief Craig Covey, a veteran incident commander, to unpack what really happens when a major response collides with nonstop public demand, intense media pressure, and elected officials who want to lead the n
EP88 Leadership, humility and tough decision making in a crisis, with Chief Craig Covey
EP88 Leadership, humility and tough decision making in a crisis, with Chief Craig Covey Jul 21, 2026 1644 Send us Fan MailOne call can reshape an entire weekend, a city’s sense of safety, and the credibility of the people in charge. I’m joined by Orange County Fire Authority Division 1 Chief Craig Covey, a veteran incident commander with 32 years in the fire service, to talk through what it really feels like to make an evacuation decision when the stakes are massive and the information is still develo
EP87 Prioritizing video and social media - Orange County incident comms, Part 3
EP87 Prioritizing video and social media - Orange County incident comms, Part 3 Jun 21, 2026 1817 Send us Fan MailWhen tens of thousands of people have to leave home over a chemical incident, the hardest part isn’t just operations, it’s keeping the public confidently informed while the story explodes across the news. We pick up our conversation with Greg Barta, Public Information Officer for Orange County Fire Authority, on what actually works when the phones won’t stop ringing and every word
EP86 Orange County black swan incident with PIO Greg Barta, Part 2
EP86 Orange County black swan incident with PIO Greg Barta, Part 2 Jun 21, 2026 1132 Send us Fan MailWhen a chemical incident triggers the evacuation of tens of thousands of residents, communications stops being a “nice to have” and becomes operational. We’re back with Greg Barta, Public Information Officer for the Orange County Fire Authority, to dig into the nuts and bolts of crisis communication that most people never see: where to stage a press conference, how to set the tone,
EP85 Orange County Fire PIO shares stories from mass evacuation incident, Part 1
EP85 Orange County Fire PIO shares stories from mass evacuation incident, Part 1 Jun 21, 2026 1307 Send us Fan MailImagine being PIO for an incident that includes the evacuation of 50,000 local residents and and a real threat of major explosion or chemical release that could cause massive damage to homes and businesses. That' black swan scenario is what PIO Greg Barta was facing with his team at Orange County Fire Authority this past Memorial Day weekend when a runaway chemical reaction th
EP84 Using AI to prepare for crisis, with Clearline Crisis
EP84 Using AI to prepare for crisis, with Clearline Crisis Jun 14, 2026 1955 Send us Fan MailMost companies don’t fail a crisis because they lack smart people. They fail because the “plan” is a dusty document, the spokesperson is untested, and the first real coordination happens at 11:30 on a Sunday night. We sit down with Mitch Cohen, founder of ClearLine Crisis and a 25-year crisis communications veteran, to talk about what it takes to build real readiness before reputat
EP83 Volunteer Turns Chaos Into Clarity With A Community Crisis Website
EP83 Volunteer Turns Chaos Into Clarity With A Community Crisis Website Jun 7, 2026 1138 Send us Fan MailFifty thousand people evacuate, rumors fly, and the search for the latest information becomes frantic. During the Memorial Day weekend chemical incident in Orange County, California, residents in Garden Grove and Anaheim needed more than breaking news; they needed clear, trusted, practical directions they could use immediately. Enter Victor Tran, a 27-year-old web designer and soft
EP82 A Journalist's View - high stakes chemical leak and evacuation in Orange County, CA
EP82 A Journalist's View - high stakes chemical leak and evacuation in Orange County, CA Jun 2, 2026 1801 Send us Fan MailOn this episode, we continue our review of the high-stakes incident and evacuation in Orange County, CA over the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Some 50,000 residents were forced to flee their homes as a runaway thermal reaction built pressure and risk inside a local manufacturing facility.We're joined by journalist Alexandra Datig, who covers news issues in Southern California,
EP81 Hot take: Orange County chemical incident - crisis communications review
EP81 Hot take: Orange County chemical incident - crisis communications review May 30, 2026 1705 Send us Fan MailA storage tank starts heating up, pressure builds, and suddenly Orange County is staring down a worst-case scenario: a thermal runaway that could end in a catastrophic explosion or a dangerous vapor release. Over Memorial Day weekend, that risk forces rapidly changing evacuation decisions, including a massive evacuation affecting about 50,000 people in Garden Grove and Anaheim. We
EP80 Dude! Where's my stuff? Managing Iran war supply chain disruptions
EP80 Dude! Where's my stuff? Managing Iran war supply chain disruptions May 23, 2026 2452 Send us Fan MailAs impacts from the war with Iran become more evident around the world, and more serious, we dive into how one highly experienced supply chain manager is managing the disruption. Hint, planning is key, but existing relationships (or lack thereof) with suppliers can play a significant role in your response.Jeff Zudock, a veteran of ExxonMobil and an expert in supply chain management
Supply chain disruption: leadership insights from XOM alum Jeff Zudock
Supply chain disruption: leadership insights from XOM alum Jeff Zudock May 14, 2026 1934 Send us Fan MailSupply chain disruptions, like those we're seeing now around energy supplies from the Persian Gulf, can cause long-term business and profitability impacts. Leadership skills in those tense situations can make or break a company's response to these unforeseen events. Jeff Zudock, a 35-year veteran of ExxonMobil and an expert in commercial and supply chain management, joins
EP79 The Great Kitkat Heist - using memes in a crisis, with Natalee Gibson
EP79 The Great Kitkat Heist - using memes in a crisis, with Natalee Gibson May 2, 2026 2041 Send us Fan MailTwelve tons of Kit Kat bars get stolen, and suddenly the internet is doing what it does best: turning a real-world incident into a meme factory. We dig into why that kind of viral corporate humor can be a smart PR play in the right context, and why it can also become reputation roulette when the facts change. I’m joined by Natalie Gibson, founder and CEO of Songue PR, to talk about

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