Clause 8
Clause 8 is a podcast about intellectual property law, featuring conversations with in-house counsel, judges, USPTO officials, and patent dealmakers. Host Eli Mazour provides strategic insights on patent issues, with guests including federal judges and top IP policymakers. The show is ranked #1 in its category and has been cited by Bloomberg, Law360, and other legal publications.
Episodes
Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story
When Coke Morgan Stewart became acting director of the USPTO, much of the patent world knew relatively little about her. Yet she quickly became the focus of considerable praise and criticism for the agency’s decisions, often without much understanding of her background or how those decisions actually came about. In this episode of Clause 8, Stewart, now President and CEO of the Council for Innovat
How Patent Litigation Really Moves: IAM, IP Fray, and MLex Reporters on the Year in IP
To open the season, host Eli Mazour brings together three journalists who cover intellectual property for a living: Olivia Rafferty of IP Fray, Nisha Shetty of IAM, and Inbar Preiss of MLex.They discuss what happens when patent litigation concentrates in a few courts, from Germany's dominance at the Unified Patent Court to the rise and fall of Judge Alan Albright in Texas. They also cover consolid
Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools
Kevin Mack, the new president of Via Licensing Alliance, joins Eli for the Clause 8 season finale.Kevin talks about Via's plans to build its next patent pools around "de facto" standards — technology the market adopted on its own, with no standards body behind it — which would push collaborative licensing into territory it has never touched. Mack also takes a hard look at the royalty-free models s
AI Boom Calls for New Copyright Law, Says USPTO Chief Behind the DMCA
Bruce Lehman, head of USPTO from 1993 to 1998, joins Clause 8 for a wide-ranging conversation about the modern IP system, the internet boom, and why the AI era may require a new copyright response from Congress.Lehman helped shape internet-era copyright policy from the USPTO, including the work that led to the WIPO Copyright Treaties and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). He also played
The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets
When Alice came down in 2014, much of the patent prosecution bar reacted with denial. Most practitioners hoped the USPTO, the Federal Circuit, or Congress would clean things up — and that adding some magic language to claims and specifications would eventually be enough.Eli Mazour and Ngai Zhang, separately, came to a different conclusion: there had to be a new, better way to obtain strong patents
Inventor Gilbert Hyatt's gift to America — will America accept it?
President Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick pride themselves on being dealmakers and on making the kind of unconventional deals for America no one else could have gotten done. Gil Hyatt is offering them one that sounds like a no-brainer. However, the question remains whether that dealmaking reputation is enough to overcome thirty years of inertia from prior administrations focused on opp
The Hidden Costs of “Free” Patent Licensing Initiatives
Is anything in the patent world ever really free?That question anchors a new Clause 8 conversation between host Eli Mazour and Professor Kristen Osenga, a University of Richmond law professor and one of the leading academic voices on standard essential patents.At the center of the discussion is the rise of so-called “royalty-free” technology standards. Osenga’s point is straightforward: “free” oft
USPTO Director John Squires' 'Foxhole Buddy' Tells All, Previews Message at Upcoming House Hearing
The story of how John Squires became USPTO Director doesn’t start inside the Beltway. It starts on the Appalachian Trail, with Doug Pittman camping under shooting stars the night after Trump won the election.Pittman — a serial entrepreneur, inventor, and self-described “foxhole buddy” and “wingman” of Squires — drove up from Georgia to sit down with Eli for this episode., fresh off a meeting with
The USPTO Is Changing Course. The Early Examination Data Tells a More Complicated Story.
Eli Mazour is joined by Juristat’s Francesca Cruz and patent attorney Clint Mehall to look at what the examination data actually says about recent USPTO changes. The conversation moves past anecdotes to analyze how new examiner performance appraisal plan (PAP), new Section 101 guidance, and the end of the AFCP program are affecting day-to-day patent prosecution.The guests discuss a new framework f
From DABUS to ChatGPT and Beyond: How AI Is Reshaping Patent Law
Artificial intelligence has been raising foundational questions for patent law long before generative tools entered the mainstream. In this episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour speaks with Wen Xie, U.S. Patent Attorney and Founder of Lux Lumen Intellectual Property, about how legal thinking around AI, inventorship, and patent eligibility has evolved—and where it appears to be heading.The conversat
How Senator Tillis’ Patent Leadership Provides Path for Cementing Recent USPTO Action
In the latest episode of Clause 8, recorded in December 2025, Eli Mazour sits down with Peter-Anthony Pappas, Director of Intellectual Property Policy for the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary under Senator Thom Tillis, at a moment when the USPTO’s direction is in significant alignment with what Senator Tillis and Senator Chris Coons have been working toward since reviving the Senate IP Subco
Head of IP’s Playbook for the AI Infrastructure Boom
How do you protect the IP of a rapidly growing technology company in the dynamic AI sector without slowing engineers or missing what really matters?That question is at the center of this episode of Clause 8, where host Eli Mazour sat down with Subroto Bose, Head of IP at Astera Labs, at the VIA Licensing Alliance’s 2025 Bridge Summit.Prior to Astera, Subroto held IP leadership roles at global semi
HP’s Chief IP Counsel on the Advice that Propelled Her Success
While many people talk about mentorship, HP’s Chief IP Counsel Ceyda Maisami and Tradespace’s VP of IP Operations & Client Success Marcia Chang actually live it.In this episode, Ceyda and Marcia join Clause 8 host Eli Mazour for a wide-ranging conversation about mentorship, what it really takes to run IP teams inside large technology companies, and what the rise of AI means for both in-house and o
Dolby’s Chief Patent Counsel & Head of Audio Patents on Building Valuable Patent Portfolios in Uncertain Times
At the 2025 Via Licensing Alliance Bridge Summit in San Francisco, Brian Dorini, Senior Director at Dolby, and Tyrome Brown, Dolby’s Chief Patent Counsel, offered a clear-eyed look at the state of patent pools and the shifting realities of the global SEP ecosystem. Far from being outdated structures, both emphasized that pools remain essential tools for enabling collaboration, reducing friction, a
USPTO’s “One-and-Done” PTAB Approach and its Impact on the Patent Policy Debate
Recent changes at USPTO are increasingly shaping the context in which Congress considers potential patent legislation.In the latest episode of Clause 8, the focus turns to how the USPTO’s evolving approach to post-grant proceedings at the PTAB is shaping the broader patent policy debate—and influencing what Congress may (or may not) do next.The episode features David Jones, Executive Director of t
Novartis’ Global Head of IP Affairs on How Patent Eligibility Mess Threatens Life-Saving Innovation & Why He Remains Optimistic
Corey Salsberg, one of the leading voices on intellectual property policy in the United States, joins Clause 8 to discuss surviving the anti-pharma activism of the last administration, why he’s encouraged by the current administration’s approach to patent policy, and even the scientific possibility of “resurrecting the woolly mammoth.”As Global Head of IP at Novartis, Salsberg has a unique vantage
Pioneers of the Modern Patent Pool Era at Via's Bridge Summit 2025
At the Via Licensing Alliance’s Bridge Summit 2025 in San Francisco, Clause 8 host Eli Mazour sat down with two leaders who ushered in the modern age of patent pools: Garrard Beeney, founder of Sullivan & Cromwell’s IP practice, and John Sideris, Principal Licensing Counsel at Philips.Their conversation traces the evolution of patent pools — from the early days of MPEG LA and antitrust uncertainty
Exclusive Interview: USPTO Deputy Commissioner Explains Changes to Examiner Performance Plan
In this episode of Clause 8, Deputy Commissioner for Patents Jerry Lorengo joins host Eli Mazour to share valuable, practical insights for patent professionals navigating the USPTO’s new Performance Appraisal Plan (PAP).Jerry discusses what’s changed in the latest update — including the revised streamlined review process, new production expectations, and updated interview time policy — and offers
“The Inventress” Lisa Ascolese on the Realities of Being an Inventor: You Can’t Skip the Work
When I first heard about Lisa Ascolese, known as “The Inventress,” I knew I wanted to bring her story to Clause 8.Lisa’s path into inventing began after her family moved to Brooklyn, New York, where her creativity and curiosity found room to grow. She started inventing at a young age, driven by the simple desire to solve everyday problems. That curiosity evolved into a lifelong passion for turning
Secrets to Successfully Licensing in Asia from Via LA's Chief Licensing Officer & HDMI LA's President
At the Via LA 2025 Bridge Summit in San Francisco, Clause 8 host Eli Mazour sat down with two leaders who play pivotal roles in connecting innovators and licensees around the world:* Jane Bu, Chief Licensing Officer at Via LA, the world’s largest patent pool. (You can listen to Eli’s previous conversation with Via’s President, Heath Hoglund, here).* Rob Tobias, CEO & President of HDMI LA, the orga
Ex–USPTO Deputy Laura Peter on How America Benefits from University Research and Proposals to Seize IP
Tech transfer has long been a critical but often overlooked part of the intellectual property system. For decades, the Bayh-Dole Act has guided how federally funded research moves from university labs into the marketplace. The system has generated hundreds of thousands of inventions and startups — and, as Laura Peter notes, led to nearly $2 trillion in economic growth through tech transfer. While
Why Creativity Needs Ownership: James Edwards on the Biblical Roots of IP & the Future of Patents
In To Invent Is Divine: Creativity and Ownership, Jim makes the case that creativity and ownership are inseparable—and that weakening intellectual property rights threatens the flourishing that invention enables. He draws connections between faith, history, and policy to explore why protecting intellectual property is about more than law or economics.Highlights from our conversation:* From Genesis
USPTO Changes, Patent Trends, and Judge Newman Through the Lens of Top IP Journalists
From Coke Morgan Stewart’s decisive actions at the USPTO, to Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick’s unexpected “patent tax” trial balloon, to the ongoing Federal Circuit drama — it felt impossible to figure out where to start telling the story. The only way to make sense of it all was to bring in three of our favorite journalists who cover these issues every day:* Eileen McDermott, Editor-in-Chief o
Coke Morgan Stewart Ushers in New Era at USPTO
PTO 'whistleblower' Julie Burke and patent prosecution guru Clint Mehall join Eli on the season finale of Clause 8 to break down what’s happening at the USPTO—and what’s still left to be done.On this episode, they discuss: *Insights from the Reddit r/patentexaminer thread*Previous and current plans to reduce the record patent application backlog*Should the USPTO withdraw patent eligibility example
Finding the Truth in Patent Valuations—Top 3 Experts Weigh In
What is the actual value of patents? Inventors and companies invest millions in obtaining patents, believing they are valuable assets. Yet, their true worth is rarely quantified.For this episode of Clause 8, Eli Mazour brings together three of the most insightful experts in the patent valuation space: Michal Malkovich, Vice President at Charles River Associates; Alejandra Loaiza Delgado, Co-Founde
How the World's Largest Patent Pool Connects Innovators and Implementers
Host Eli Mazour talks with Heath Hoglund, President of Via LA, to break down the role of patent pools in today’s innovation landscape.Tune in as they discuss:*The balance between licensors and licensees—and how Via LA acts as a bridge between them*Merger of Via Licensing and MPEG LA in 2003 to form Via LA *How Dolby’s strong brand helped it succeed with technology licensing*The challenges of start
Exclusive: USPTO Union Head Hopeful & Working Well with Leadership
Kathy Duda is the President of The Patent Office Professional Association (POPA), which is the union representing USPTO patent examiners. On this episode, she discusses why she remains hopeful amidst current uncertainty around new return to office policies.In the episode, she also discusses:*Positive collaboration with Acting Director Coke Morgan StewartGetting first involved with POPA after it he
The Remaining Power of the US Patent System
Join Eli Mazour as he explores the vital role of the U.S. patent system in fostering innovation. Entrepreneur Patrick Murray shares his journey from ideation to patent acquisition with Radium Payments, emphasizing the importance of intellectual property in business validation. Lisa Mueller, host of the AUTM on the Air podcast, delves into tech transfer, revealing how universities push innovations
Right Choice for USPTO: Coke Morgan Stewart
In this special episode of Clause 8, Eli shares why Coke Morgan Stewart is the perfect person to lead the USPTO. Eli discusses why her selection excites him and the broader implications for the intellectual property field. Reflecting on past directorships and the challenges faced by the USPTO, Eli explores issues such as patent backlogs, Section 101 rejections, and PTAB policies. Highlighting Stew
Choice of Next USPTO Director in the Shadow of Patents Saving Cantor Fitzgerald After 9/11
What better way to wrap up 2024 than a conversation around the future of the USPTO with David Boundy.David is one of the sharpest minds at the intersection of administrative law and intellectual property. Plus, during his tenure at Cantor Fitzgerald, David worked closely with its visionary CEO, Howard Lutnick, who is leading Trump’s transition team and Trump’s pick for Commerce Secretary.This epis
Soft IP in the Start-up Nation with Ariel Dubinsky
Earlier this year, Eli had the opportunity to spend a day in Israel with Ariel Dubinsky, the founder and owner of Ariel Dubinsky Law Firm. While there, Eli learned that Ariel is at the heart of Israel’s dynamic intellectual property ecosystem. Ariel mainly focuses on trademarks and copyright, which is increasingly important for the so-called “Startup Nation” which saw a record breaking $10.5 billi
What’s Keeping Corporate IP Leaders Awake These Days
In this special episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour takes us behind the scenes of the Consero IP Forum, where he spoke with IP leaders about common pain points and solutions. Guests include:* Dimitri Kirimis, Lead Counsel at Cruise* Scott Miller, Chief IP Counsel at Zoetis* Joel Meyer, VP of IP and Innovation Strategy at Digimarc* Praveer Gupta, Director of Patents and Innovation Strategy at Unip
Building an IP Strategy for the Final Frontier: A Conversation with Bridget Smith of Relativity Space 🚀
This week’s Clause 8 episode features Bridget Smith, Assistant General Counsel and Director, Intellectual Property at Relativity Space—the first company to successfully create and launch a 3D-printed rocket. 🚀Bridget, who previously made waves as a top PTAB practitioner, is now at the helm of IP strategy at Relativity Space, where she’s implementing an innovative approach to IP by using a trade se
Exclusive: USPTO AI Co-Chairs Reassure Stakeholders on Guidance & Share Journey of Shaping USPTO's Approach to AI
Jerry Ma, Director of Emerging Technologies and Chief AI Officer, and Charles Kim, Deputy Commissioner for the USPTO tell story of co-chairing USPTO's AI working group - sharing insights on USPTO's AI tools guidance, applying §101 for AI-related inventions, and leveraging AI for examination.Together, the two co-lead a group working on AI efforts and according to Jerry are focused on “a human first
IP Strategy at Walmart: Balancing Innovation, Protection, and Practicality in a Global Retail Giant
In the ever-evolving world of retail, where technology and innovation are reshaping the industry, managing intellectual property has never been more important. Sri Atluri, Walmart’s Chief IP Counsel, knows this all too well.In this episode of Clause 8 with host Eli Mazour, Sri emphasizes the critical balance between protecting innovations and fostering strategic growth within Walmart’s technologic
Qualcomm's General Counsel Ann Chaplin on Patents Fueling Innovation
In this special episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour speaks with Ann Cathcart Chaplin at the Qualcomm Museum, which is right at the heart of Qualcomm’s headquarters in San Diego. Ann shares her journey from being an IP litigator to in-house counsel and from GM to Qualcomm.As General Counsel of Qualcomm, Ann oversees all legal matters for the world’s leading innovator of connectivity solutions. Bef
Avanci Vehicle President Laurie Fitzgerald on Building SEP's Field of Dreams
Laurie Fitzgerald joins Eli to tell the story of how she led Avanci to an 8-year overnight success. Avanci’s pioneering efforts to provide an efficient, simpler option for the automotive industry to license cellular SEPs are now widely heralded as one of the greatest stories of successful innovation in the patent world. Laurie, who has been with Avanci since 2018, shares her journey and the strate
Alec Sorensen on Keeping IP Rembrandts Out of the Attic
What is the value of protecting intellectual property (IP)?That’s the fundamental question that most Chief IP Counsel need time to answer to help their companies succeed. However, they’re often bogged down by the daily demands of leading teams that are doing what’s necessary to make sure that they’re obtaining the necessary IP protection. When they do have a chance to pose and answer that question
Re-Release: The Great 101 Debate
We’re looking forward to sharing new episodes from this season starting next Tuesday, including special video episodes on www.VoiceOfIP.com and a series of interviews with the most significant corporate IP leaders in America. In the meantime, we wanted to share episodes released this summer:Former USPTO Director Andrei Iancu and HTIA’s David Jones found a surprising amount of agreement regarding S
Judge Dyk Defends Today's Federal Circuit
Federal Circuit Judge Timothy Dyk discusses his memoir and provides priceless insights into how the Federal Circuit is operating today - 42 years after it was created in 1982 and 24 years after Dyk was confirmed to serve on it in 2000.This episode explores Dyk's perspectives on judges serving together at the Federal Circuit. His reflections and anecdotes offer a unique glimpse into the workings of
Brazil Becoming the Mecca for Patent Enforcement & Chief IP Counsel Seeking Valuable Patents
Clause 8 Podcast Show NotesRob Rodrigues and Tatiana Alves - Brazil’s go-to attorneys for strong patent protection and effective enforcement - join Eli to talk about founding RNA Law and offer insider perspectives on successfully navigating the Brazilian patent system.Rob discusses how Brazil’s large market size and the predictability of obtaining injunctions is attracting foreign businesses looki
Iancu & Jones Debate Section 101 and Find Common Ground
Clause 8 favorites - former USPTO Director Andrei Iancu and HTIA’s David Jones - return for the first ever Clause 8 debate!They debate Section 101, find common ground, and discuss possible paths forward for improving the state of patent eligibility in America.Selected Topics* Impact of Federal Circuit’s State Street decision: "golden age of business method patents”* Supreme Court’s Section 101 dec
Erich Spangenberg on How to Succeed in Patent Monetization
His critics have called him “one of the most notorious patent trolls in America.” Many others have tried and failed to emulate his success. However, it’s hard to deny that Erich Spangenberg is in many ways a singular visionary in the world of patents. If there are celebrities in the patent world, it’s Erich Spangenberg.Thanks for reading Voice of IP! Subscribe for free to receive updates.As the fo
Moneyball for Pharma Patents with Chief IP Counsel Steve Caltrider
Why does an $850 billion pharma company obtain only 50 patents per year?Steve Caltrider, Chief IP Counsel at Dana Farber Cancer Institute, brings over 35 years of experience building valuable pharma patent portfolios and championing patent policies that promote innovation. Before Dana Farber, Steve rose to the role of General Patent Counsel at Eli Lilly. Steve has also served on the USPTO's Public
IP Fray's Legendary Publisher on What Will Happen with EU's SEP Regulation & AI’s Impact on Patent Law
Florian Mueller shares his remarkable journey from leading a major fight against pro-software patent legislation in Europe to becoming one of the most influential voices in the IP world. For over a decade, his FOSS Patents blog became the go-to destination for anyone who wanted to follow developments related to standard-essential patents (SEPs). After a brief hiatus, Florian recently reemerged as
IBM's Chief Patent Counsel for Americas Mark Vallone on Changing Patent Portfolio Strategy
For almost 30 years - under the leadership of giants like Marshall Phelps, David Kappos, and Manny Schechter, IBM led in obtaining the most patents per year. However, in 2020, IBM made the decision to no longer pursue the goal of “numeric patent leadership.” It went from obtaining over 8500 patents in 2021 to, by some counts, less than 5000. Nonetheless, IBM remains one of the top American paten
Chief Counsel John Lee on Bicameral, Bipartisan Efforts to Advance Section 101 & PTAB Legislation
J. John Lee is the Chief Counsel for IP in the US House of Representatives and helms the House Subcommittee on Courts, Intellectual Property, and the Internet, which is chaired by Congressman Darrell Issa. In that role, he is one of only four staffers in Congress who focus on IP issues and help set the agenda for what happens with America’s IP system.John joins Eli on this lively episode to discu
Europe's New Unified Patent Court: Exclusive Interview with Judge Michael Fleuchaus
In this special two-part episode, we delve into the creation, implementation, and strategic importance of Europe's Unified Patent Court (UPC) with UPC Judge Michael Fleuchaus and Dr. Benjamin Grau. The first part of the show highlights Judge Fleuchaus' experience as a newly appointed technical qualified judge at the UPC. Judge Fleuchaus discusses the motivations behind the UPC's establishment an
Resetting the Narrative on IP Rights in America
This year, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce brought together a diverse group of stakeholders and thought leaders in support of a framework of IP Principles. These IP Principles are part of an initiative to help America overcome a sustained effort to demonize intellectual property rights over the last 15-20 years. Patrick Kilbride and Brad Watts, from the U.S. Chamber’s Global Innovation Policy Cen
Matteo Sabattini on Licensing Igniting Virtuous Cycle of Innovation
Matteo Sabattini is well known in DC patent policy circles from his previous role as Director of IP Policy at Ericsson. He now joins Eli from Italy to discuss his new role as President and Chief Licensing Officer of Convida, what he learned from his time in DC, keys to building a successful licensing program, why recent attempts to regulate licensing of standard essential patents (SEPs) are misgu
Ed Murgitroyd on Disrupting IP Legal Services & Lessons from his Dad
Ed Murgitroyd joins Eli Mazour to tell the stories of building Murgitroyd into one of Europe’s biggest IP law firms and his disruptive new venture Hexos IP. Murgitroyd was founded by Ed’s father Ian Murgitroyd in Scotland in 1975. Ed eventually joined his father and became the CEO of Murgitroyd before it was acquired by a private equity firm, Sovereign, in 2019. On this episode, Ed talks ab
Ofinno: The Little SEP Engine That Could
Ofinno’s founder Esmael Dinan and CEO Kavon Nasabzadeh join the Clause 8 podcast to tell Ofinno’s unique story of succeeding in the patent monetization space and talk about its plans for the future. After spending years as an inventor at a large operating company, Esmael came to the conclusion that most such companies aren’t good at obtaining valuable standard essential patents (SEPs) on their
Kfir Luzzatto: Bring Amit Soussana Home
Amit Soussana is an IP attorney at one of Israel’s leading IP firms, Luzzato and Luzzatto. She is also one of more than 240 people – including babies, children, women, the elderly, and the disabled - who were brutally taken hostage by terrorists from Gaza on October 7th. More than 40 days later, almost all of them are still being held hostage. Kfir Luzzatto, the senior partner of Amit’s law fi
Time to Embrace Patent Eligibility Restoration Act (PERA) & AI Future
Clause 8 is back for a new season! To start the season, Eli – for the first time on Clause 8 - shares his own thoughts at length about the hottest debates in the patent world. On this episode, Eli discusses: The horrific October 7 terrorist attacks on Israel and more than 240 Israelis still being held captured by the terrorists His “first IP interview” with then Israel Patent Office Director A
Exclusive Interview with Judge Pauline Newman’s Attorney Greg Dolin
When Judge Pauline Newman helped create the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in 1982 to have exclusive jurisdiction over patent cases, no one could’ve guessed the drama that would follow almost 40 years after she joined the court herself. In April, Gene Quinn broke the news on IPWatchdog about a complaint filed by the Chief Judge of the Federal Circuit against Newman for being unable
SPECIAL EP: If Twitter Sues…with Gaston Kroub
Will Twitter's meager patent portfolio doom Elon Musk’s hopes of “strictly enforcing” Twitter’s IP rights? Eli is joined by return guest Gaston Kroub on this special episode to discuss how an unprecedented IP dispute between two of the world’s richest men might play out. In response to Meta successfully launching Threads, Musk’s go to lawyer Alex Spiro sent a letter to Mark Zuckerberg expressin
Ex-USPTO GC Nick Matich on Rulemaking & the PTAB
USPTO Director Kathi Vidal’s decision to issue the Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPRM) is the latest major controversy surrounding the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB). The American Invents Act (AIA) created the PTAB to supposedly provide a cheaper, faster alternative to district court patent litigation. However, the PTAB quickly gained a reputation for being a patent “death squad”
Shawn Lillemo on Building Software Tools for a Patent Firm
Eli is joined by colleague Shawn Lillemo, Head of Software Development at their firm Harrity, to talk about the firm’s tech journey. Shawn and Eli talk about why and how the firm started its own software development team to create tools to improve how it handles its patent preparation and prosecution work, Shawn’s superstar team in Ukraine, the future role of AI, and much more: The slow embrace
New Episodes Coming Soon
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Joff Wild on Founding IAM for Chief IP Officers & EU Commission’s anti-SEP Crusade
Joff Wild on Founding IAM for Chief IP Officers & EU Commission’s anti-SEP Crusade “It became obvious to me that IP was a lot more than laws and court decisions and regulations. IP was becoming a fundamental business asset, one that people could use to generate profits, build partnerships, go out into the markets, and raise cash. But no one was writing about that there was no coverage of that. S
Tom Irving on Litigating 1st Hatch-Waxman Case & Mentoring 1000s in Patent Field
Eli is joined by the legend of the patent bar, the virtuoso of Federal Circuit decisions – Tom Irving. They discuss the rise of the pharmaceutical patent practice, the creation and current state of the Federal Circuit, why and how Tom mentored 1000s of patent attorneys, best practices for patent prosecution, and much more! Chief Judge Moore’s efforts to oust Judge Newman How Tom ended up pract
Tim Pohlmann on Founding IPlytics & Hosting The SEP Couch
Tim Pohlmann is the founder and CEO of IPlytics, which provides software analytics tools for standard essential patents (SEPs). Tim is also one of the world’s leading economists that focuses on the subject of SEPs, and was recently commissioned by the EU Commission to provide empirical studies for their work regarding SEPs. Tim’s podcast, The SEP Couch, features discussions with a very diverse gr
HTIA’s David Jones on Winning in DC
David Jones is the Executive Director of the High Tech Inventors Alliance (HTIA), which advocates on patent policy issues on behalf of some of the largest tech companies in the world. When Dave became the head of HTIA in 2019, it seemed that DC was finally turning against the “patent troll” narrative driving patent policy in Congress and the executive branch. However, that did not last long: eff
Commissioner Stoll on Being Part of ‘First Family’ of Patent Law
Former Patent Commissioner Robert Stoll joins the Clause 8 podcast to talk about working his way up from being an examiner to being the commissioner over his 30+ year-long career at the USPTO. As commissioner, Bob helped former USTPO Director David Kappos implement the American Invents Act (AIA) and transform how the USPTO’s patent examiners operate. Before that, he served as USPTO’s head of the
World’s #1 IP Dealmaker You Haven't Heard of...Yet
If you’ve come across a national news story about some brash character making lots of money from patent deals, chances are that the person making those deals happen behind the scenes was an unassuming lawyer in Israel. Her name is Lillian Shaked. On this episode, Lillian tells the story of how she went from being a commercial attorney in Israel to working with who’s who of patent monetization le
USPTO Director Kathi Vidal Defends America's Patent System
Kathi Vidal returns to the Clause 8 podcast to talk about her first year as the Director of the US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). In an expansive conversation, Director Vidal talks about what she hopes to accomplish, explains and defends the current process for exploring and making changes to the patent system, and responds to criticisms regarding the state of the system. Even close observ
How the PTAB Killed Molly Metz’s Patents
Five-time world jump rope champion Molly Metz and her husband Dirk Tomsin talk about the highs and lows of innovation, entrepreneurship, and relying on America’s patent system. A serious car accident spurred Molly to invent a new type of jump rope that revolutionized jump roping and the use of jump roping for CrossFit. Thanks to patents that were awarded to her by the US Patent Office (USPTO) fo
Bruce Berman on Telling a Patent Story
Bruce Berman is the PR guru of the IP world. As CEO of Brody Berman Associates, he has implemented marketing and business development programs on behalf of more than 200 IP portfolios and businesses. And, in 2016, he founded the Center for Intellectual Property Understanding, an independent non-profit that raises awareness of the use and impact of intellectual property on individuals and busines
Bob Giles – Exclusive Interview with Qualcomm's New Chief IP Counsel
Qualcomm is responsible for the smartphone revolution. It started working on the technology back when many thought it was impossible. Besides everyday users, one of the biggest beneficiaries of Qualcomm’ technology was Apple. Apple relied on the technology to make iPhones that grew its market cap to a record of $3 Trillion. However, eventually, Apple decided it was paying Qualcomm too much for
Ray Millien - Volvo's past Chief IP Officer & CEO of Harness IP
What is outside counsel’s real job? How do you make patents part of a 100-year-old company’s DNA? Why did Ocean Tomo fail to become the Goldman Sachs of patents? How do you get opposing counsel to offer you a dream job? The Renaissance Man of IP – Raymond Millien – shares these secrets on the latest episode of Clause 8. Ray previously served as Chief IP Office at Volvo and is now the CEO of the
Prof. Tim Hsieh on Value of District Court Judges Having Patent Expertise
Show Notes Is it preferable for patent cases to be handled by district court judges who have relevant expertise and experience? Senator Leahy can’t make up his mind. Leahy’s eponymous Leahy-Smith American Invents Act created the Patent Pilot Program. The program allowed federal district court judges in select districts to volunteer to handle patent cases. The goal was for certain judges to have
Phil Warrick on Working with Sen. Coons to Improve Patent System
How is patent policy made in Congress? Few know better than Philip Warrick. Phil served as Senator Coons’ top IP advisor after Coons helped restart the Senate’s IP Subcommittee. In that role, Phil helped lead the subcommittees’ efforts to improve America’s patent system, including legislation to fix the patent eligibility mess. Those efforts were a dramatic departure from Congress’s previous fi
Louis Carbonneau on Brokering Patents After the Patent Gold Rush
The golden age for patent brokers has come and gone but that doesn’t stop Louis Carbonneau. “There are very, very few patent brokers nowadays. We’re just one of a handful left. And frankly, we get about four or five portfolios every single day that people want us to broker. We only say yes 1% or 2% of the time.” As one of the world’s leading patent brokers, the CEO and Founder of Tangible IP has
Ryan Abbott on Why Patent Law Should Recognize AI Inventors
Good lawyers effectively deal with the present. Very few have what it takes to create the future. Professor Ryan Abbott is doing just that. He leads the DABUS project: the first time ever an AI machine has been named as an inventor on a patent application. Most thought that the project was an interesting academic exercise that was unlikely to go anywhere. Some - uncharitably - dismissed it as "a p
Prof. Dan Brown and Dan Jr.’s Patent Battle Against a Retail Giant
Prof. Dan Brown and his son, Dan Brown Jr., are straight out of central casting. Prof. Brown, the father, grew up in a working-class Irish family on Chicago’s South Side before eventually becoming a professor of engineering at Northwestern University. Dan Jr. is a moppy-haired marketing genius who is now President of LoggerHead Tools. As a result of a father-son argument, Prof. Brown invented an a
Josh Landau - On Lobbying for Weaker Patent Rights and “Making a PB&J Sandwich”
The first episode of this season of Clause 8 featured the most recent USPTO Director - Andrei Iancu - discussing his efforts to strengthen America’s patent system over the last three years. One of the most publicly vocal opponents of those efforts was Josh Landau, patent counsel at the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA). Now that those views are in ascendancy in the Biden ad
Mark Han: Applying Lessons from Intellectual Ventures to Helping Innovative Doctors
“Jeff [Roh] knew for every person like [him], who is able to succeed, there's countless others who aren't. They just fall flat because they encounter resistance and give up. And so he was on a mission to make other inventors and surgeons be successful as well." Don’t miss this latest episode of Clause 8 with President and Chief Legal Officer of IntuitiveX, Mark Han, about the new business model th
Chris Agrawal: AIPF’s President on Growing $1 Billion Portfolio & Succeeding in IP Field
Chris Agrawal is President of the Association of Intellectual Property Firms and partner at Bookoff McAndrews. He was instrumental in one of the biggest patent transactions in history and the reason Eli got into patent law in the first place. If you’re a startup founder or an executive at a growth stage company worrying about patent protection or wondering how to scale your patent program, downl
Welcome to Clause 8
We hope you've enjoyed the episodes we've released so far in this season. We'll be taking a short break and will release the rest of the season very soon. For more information, visit voiceofip.com. And, if you would like to learn more about my firm, visit harrityllp.com. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.v
Alan Albright - On Becoming the Go-To Judge for Patent Cases
If you’ve ever wondered how and why Judge Alan D Albright - of the Western District Texas - became America’s go-to judge for patent cases, you don’t want to miss this episode. Before Judge Albright was confirmed in 2018, less than 10 patent cases had been filed in Waco district in its entire history. In 2020 alone, he took on almost 800 new patent cases, accounting for 20% of all new patent case
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