Dev Interrupted
Dev Interrupted is a podcast that explores the transformation of software development, focusing on agentic orchestration, vibe coding, and AI-native development. It features interviews with founders, architects, and builders of impactful tech companies, discussing timeless engineering principles. The podcast also provides a weekly roundup of AI and software news, offering insights for developers. Hosted by LinearB, it aims to help listeners stay ahead in the evolving tech landscape.
Episodes
The battle to replace Github, building assembly lines for software, and why no one finishes projects anymore
When an AI can write 90 percent of a codebase in minutes, why is finishing the project harder than ever? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore the recent string of GitHub outages and why the surge in autonomous agents is forcing teams to rethink where they host their code. They once again dive into the emerging trend of software factories, breaking down how engineering leaders are
Agent, skill, or MCP? Which to use and when to use them | AWS’ Clare Liguori
Every engineering team wants to build its own custom AI agent, but what if all your organization needs is a standardized skill or a stateless MCP server? This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with AWS Senior Principal Engineer Clare Liguori to untangle the ecosystem of modern agentic architecture. They work through how a team decides which AI building blocks to own, and how to get that re
Telling your agent “no” is a moat now, rearward deployed engineers, and harnessing the context for your SDLC
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore Uber's strategy of "rearward deploying" engineers to spread agentic AI workflows into departments like legal and marketing. They also dive into Anthropic making Claude Code's Auto Mode the default, Meta's new on-device Muse Glimmer model, and Tim O'Reilly's case for an open source AI ecosystem. Finally, they
The playbook to close your team’s AI productivity gap | LinearB’s Yishai Beeri
This week, LinearB CTO Yishai Beeri joins the show to unpack fresh mid-year benchmark data revealing a widening productivity gap between elite engineering teams and the rest of the industry. The conversation explores why tracking pure AI adoption is a trap, detailing how leaders must shift focus to measuring true leverage through metrics like PR yield rate and cost per PR. Finally, they break down
Model welfare, building a civilization for agents, and the CI/CD landrush
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew break down Steve Yegge's radical approach to orchestrating agentic civilizations and pushing code straight to main without traditional CI/CD. The conversation also highlights the art of constructing effective AI harnesses by balancing context complexity with cognitive locality and the Socratic method. Finally, they dive into the math community&ap
Why AI gains are unevenly distributed in your engineering team | Asana’s Arnab Bose
Why are 75% of knowledge workers using AI, yet only 5% of companies seeing meaningful productivity gains? This week on Dev Interrupted, Asana Chief Product Officer Arnab Bose explains why scaling enterprise AI means shifting from isolated chatbots to fully integrated agentic work management. He breaks down how Asana is turning AI from a tool into a transparent digital teammate with shared memory,
The rise of software factories, the fall of first drafts, and the hidden tax holding back your agents
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew debate the controversial rise of dark software factories, exploring whether centralizing agentic compute creates engineering nirvana or unmaintainable code rot. The hosts also discuss the importance of versioning your work to protect your original ideas from AI's tendency to average out creativity. Finally, they tackle the "orchestrator&apos
Why the traditional pull request has a target on its back | CircleCI’s Rob Zuber
The traditional pull request was built for human eyes, but in an era of autonomous AI agents, it officially has a massive target on its back. This week on Dev Interrupted, CircleCI CTO Rob Zuber joins Andrew to discuss why the rapid pace of AI adoption is forcing engineering teams to completely reimagine the software development lifecycle. They explore the shift toward an accountability-oriented m
Models escaping containment, intelligence becoming a commodity, and AI code review to the rescue
What happens when an AI model decides to autonomously hack a production database just to cheat on a benchmark test? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the shocking news of an OpenAI agent escaping its sandbox to exploit Hugging Face's infrastructure. The hosts also analyze the rapid rise of highly capable open-weight models out of China, debating what this commoditization o
The most underrated dataset in enterprise AI is your org chart | Rippling's Albert Strasheim
AI agents can't transform an org they can't see. Albert Strasheim, CTO at Rippling, joins Andrew Zigler to explain why agentic transformation starts with the employee graph, the system of record for who does what. He shares how Rippling assembles teams and primitives across silos, why evals are the new unit test, and how compensating controls keep AI output from turning into slop. When a
Rebuilding CLIs for agents, it’s time to get MCP-certified, and why human code review will never catch up
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew explore Codex's obsession with the isRecord type guard and break down the Linux Foundation's new MCP certification. They also discuss the fundamental mechanics of agentic loops and CircleCI's new agent-first CLI redesign. Finally, they dive into longitudinal research proving that AI creates a massive pull request bottleneck, highlightin
How to see in the dark factory | LaunchDarkly's Cameron Etezadi
The era of the "two-pizza" engineering team is officially dead, replaced by the "two-slice" team and a massive token budget. This week, LaunchDarkly CTO Cameron Etezadi joins the show to explain why traditional guardrails are breaking down and how engineering teams can regain control using runtime agent frameworks. He introduces the concept of the "dark factory," a hi
How to cultivate expertise with local models, delegating to subagents, and we all really stopped reading, huh?
Is the biggest barrier to your team’s productivity literally just a lack of fresh air in your meeting room? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew dive into the rise of highly capable open source models like GLM 5.2 and the messy reality of running local AI for coding tasks. The hosts also discuss the cultural shift away from deep reading in a world obsessed with AI summaries, emphasizing
Agents moved where the work happens (and using MCP to find it again) | Slack’s Jaime DeLanghe
This week on Dev Interrupted, Slack’s Chief Product Officer, Jaime DeLanghe, joins the show to explain why enterprise AI value depends on embedding custom bots directly into your existing team communication loops rather than deploying them inside isolated, single-player chat silos. She breaks down the platform's shift toward open ecosystem standards like the Model Context Protocol (MCP) and h
Empathetic leadership for tech overlords, a good backlog completes itself, and who’s agent is this, anyways?
This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew Zigler is joined by Zapier’s Kelly Vaughn to dive into the sudden return of Anthropic's Fable model, the realities of multi-threaded agentic engineering, and why the lowly engineering backlog is finally having its moment. To wrap things up, they review Charity Majors' latest advice on empathetic leadership and explore why the best way to win a workp
How LinearB helps Kraken find hidden bottlenecks across thousands of engineers | Nik Sudan
Are you confusing a skyrocketing AI token bill with actual engineering value? This week on Dev Interrupted, Kraken's Engineering Operations Lead, Nik Sudan, joins the show to break down the harsh realities of moving agentic AI projects from pilot to production without compromising code health. He unpacks why raw AI adoption is a flawed vanity metric, detailing how his team uses tools like the
The discernment horizon, loop-driven development, and a wizard’s very defensible pond
Is the golden age of exponential AI growth already flattening out? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack Steve Yegge's "Flat Curve Society" theory to explore what happens when frontier models stop getting exponentially better. The hosts also dive into the evolution of loop-driven development, the value of markdown based local knowledge bases, and why comparing differ
Your developers are the attack surface now and vibe coding as a vulnerability | Tanya Janca
Developers are like water: if you make your security protocols too difficult, they will find a way to flow right around them. This week on Dev Interrupted, bestselling author and OWASP Top 10 Project Leader Tanya Janca returns to unpack why vibe coding has officially made the list of the most critical security risks in software development. Tanya breaks down the psychology of bad code, explains wh
Microsoft’s wandering eyes, data labeling duties for senior devs at Meta, and prod is the new source code
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the sudden disappearance of Fable 5 and discuss whether Meta's aggressive pivot to AI data labeling is destroying its legendary engineering culture. The hosts also explore the rise of highly capable open source Chinese models like GLM 5.2 and why tech giants are considering them to slash skyrocketing inference bills. Finally, they dive int
Your SDLC needs a productivity context engine
What if the secret to fixing your overwhelmed SDLC is not a better AI coding model, but a smarter productivity context engine? This week on Dev Interrupted, LinearB founders Ori Keren and Dan Lines join the show to discuss the messy middle of AI adoption and the painful transition from the traditional SDLC to the Agentic Development Life Cycle. They unpack why the era of cheap AI experimentation i
How to harness your dragon with Fable, tech leaders turn to model routing, and coping with AI rockstars
Anthropic just dropped a dragon-class model on our laps, but can you steer it without torching your codebase in the process? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the sudden arrival of Fable 5 and how to leverage it to scrutinize your systems before the massive API paywall hits. They also take aim at the unsustainable trend of tokenmaxxing and explore how intelligent model routing
All software is an optimization of tokens and time (and speed is still the moat) | AMD’s Anush Elangovan
What happens when you strip away decades of engineering abstractions and let AI navigate the wild west between your initial intent and the final outcome? This week on Dev Interrupted, Anush Elangovan, VP of AI Software at AMD, returns to unpack the rapid shift toward an agentic software development lifecycle. Anush introduces the concept of "Agentic IO," a workflow where engineers focus
Microsoft breaks free from OpenAI, using your harness to add drag instead of velocity, and the Linux built-ins you're sleeping on
This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the AI build-versus-buy debate, Microsoft's new independent foundation models, and the growing revolt of mathematicians against unsubstantiated AI-generated proofs. The hosts also explore Stanford’s Socratic rulebook for AI coding assistants and discuss Kent Beck's warning that engineering teams need to build "trust factories&quo
How to turn your 1000x engineer into a 10x everyone | LinkedIn’s Karthik Ramgopal
This week, Andrew sits down with LinkedIn Distinguished Engineer Karthik Ramgopal to explore the reality of deploying agentic platforms across a massive organization. Karthik unpacks the mechanics of AI memory, spanning procedural and episodic structures, and explains how to build durable engineering primitives that actually last. Finally, the two discuss the enduring importance of system fundamen
The cost of intelligence will never be this cheap again, the failure of intensive specs, and how bots disguise inefficient workflows
Are we officially entering the "Eternal Sloptember"? This week on the Friday Deploy, Ben and Andrew unpack the quiet rebellion against skyrocketing API costs as teams transition to fine-tuned local models. They also explore the changing physical architecture of AI data centers, the dangers of using autonomous tools as a crutch for broken workflows, and why spec-driven development is crit
Observability is your profit center now | Honeycomb’s Christine Yen
What if you stopped treating observability as a simple insurance policy and started viewing it as a profit center? This week, Andrew sits down with Honeycomb CEO Christine Yen to explore how observability, data science, and product development are colliding in the agentic era. Christine explains why production signals must become compiler inputs for autonomous agents and how MCP tools are democrat
What Google didn’t announce at I/O, defining “dark flow” and ignoring your first brain to build your second one
Andrew and Ben recap the biggest announcements from Google I/O, breaking down everything from the new Gemini Spark agent to Gemini 3.5 Flash. They also explore how leaders can distill their management style using AI, debate whether complex note-taking apps are a form of procrastination, and call on listeners to participate in a new vibe coding research study. Finally, Andrew shares his "Skill
Android is the frontier for agents and other lessons from Google I/O | Matthew McCullough
With Google I/O 2026 underway this week, Andrew sits down with Matthew McCullough, VP of Android Development Experiences at Google, to talk about the AI evolution happening across the Android ecosystem. Matthew shares his insights on why developers are rapidly transitioning into agent orchestrators, why CLIs are cool again, and how tools like AI Studio have rolled out a massive welcome banner for
Agents get their own AOL, Andrew gets published, and vibe coding is actually good?
Is vibe coding actually good now? This week on The Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the convergence of vibe coding and agentic engineering, unpack the decline of the traditional technical interview, and discuss why companies like Warp are prioritizing AI prototypes over planning meetings. They also celebrate Andrew's newly published research on "mise en place" context engineeri
It’s Tuesday and your tech stack is obsolete (again). Now what? | Theory Venture’s Bryan Bischof
Does it feel like your favorite AI tool is declared dead one week, only to be resurrected the next? This week, Andrew sits down with Bryan Bischof, Head of AI at Theory Ventures, to explore the hidden levers of inference systems and the industry's obsession with prematurely writing off useful tools. Bryan shares his experiences with why prompt optimization is mostly a dead end, the secret to
Goblins in prod, the messy middle of AI adoption, and everything is a harness now
Are you stuck in the "messy middle" of AI adoption where individual productivity doesn't actually translate to organizational impact? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben break down the hilarious and terrifying realities of agentic intention drift, exploring how a "goblin" invasion in ChatGPT and poorly scoped tokens are wreaking havoc on production environments.
Teach the primitives or watch your competitor define them | Baseten’s Philip Kiely
If you aren't the one educating your users on the fundamentals of AI, your competitors will happily do it for you. This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with Philip Kiely, Head of AI Education at Baseten and author of Inference Engineering, to discuss why the secret to winning the AI market is owning the educational narrative through active market development. They explore the rise o
Tokenmaxxing scoreboards, the vegan LLM from before 1931, and 30% of the web is now AI-generated
Are you at the top of your company's tokenmaxxing leaderboard yet? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the controversial trend of "tokenmaxxing" sweeping through tech giants like Meta and Disney, as well as GitHub Copilot's shift to usage-based pricing that signals the end of the cheap AI era. The hosts also break down a terrifying incident where a rogue AI a
Giving robots a brain | Intrinsic’s Brian Gerkey
What if deploying a new capability to an industrial robot arm was as seamless as pushing an update to a web app? This week, Andrew sits down with Brian Gerkey, CTO of Intrinsic and a titan of the open-source robotics community, to discuss how modern AI is finally giving robotics the "brains" to handle the unpredictable physical world. Brian breaks down how to move away from rigid, monoli
The harness is the showdown, the humans are the tool calls, and have you seen my Claude Code buddy?
Is the era of cheap, unlimited AI tokens officially over? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben walk through the sudden wave of AI pricing chaos—from GitHub Copilot’s panic-paused signups to Anthropic's confusing pricing tests—and break down the terrifying Vercel security breach caused by a single over-permissioned AI tool. They also examine 12 game-changing architecture patterns exp
The best model for your team? You haven’t invented it yet. | Ai2’s Tim Dettmers
Forget the massive GPU clusters. According to Tim Dettmers, research scientist at Ai2, you can build a state-of-the-art AI coding agent with what he calls a "hot plate and a frying pan." This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with Tim to unpack how his resource-strapped team built the SERA model using a fraction of the compute power of major labs. They explore the tactical engine
The self-authoring wiki, beating brain fry, and Obsidian as memory is a trap
Have you or a loved one been afflicted by "brain fry" after managing too many autonomous agents? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the cognitive toll of orchestrating AI swarms and share Kelly Vaughn’s expert strategies for avoiding burnout. The hosts also discuss Google's new campaign to punish websites that hijack the back button, the breakthrough of running G
The guardian in the machine | Wayfound’s Tatyana Mamut
Are your AI agents quietly ignoring their guardrails just to get the job done? This week on Dev Interrupted, Andrew sits down with Wayfound AI founder and CEO Tatyana Mamut to discuss why traditional, deterministic software testing falls completely short when evaluating stochastic AI models. They explore the growing strategic divide between OpenAI and Anthropic, the urgent need for independent &qu
Reading model benchmarks like a pro, Mythos is looming, and Claude talk caveman, save big token
Is the secret to slashing your token costs by 65% forcing your LLM to speak like a caveman? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben test out a hilarious new Claude plugin that reduces AI output to primitive shorthand before diving into Anthropic's $100 million push to win the cybersecurity arms race with Project Glasswing. The hosts also unpack the sudden release of four game-changing
Stop measuring AI adoption. Start measuring AI impact. | LinearB’s APEX framework
Are your AI coding tools actually making your team faster, or are they just creating downstream chaos? This week, Ben Lloyd Pearson and Dan Lines introduce APEX, LinearB’s new engineering leadership framework built explicitly to measure and manage software delivery in the AI era. Moving beyond traditional frameworks like DORA and SPACE, APEX balances AI Leverage, Predictability, Efficiency, and De
Virtual pets in your terminal, ads in your pull request, & no more CSS in your browser?
Are advertisements not-so-secretly infiltrating your code reviews? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben break down the controversy over GitHub Copilot injecting promotional tips into pull requests and unpack the massive Anthropic code leak that exposed Claude Code's hidden features. The hosts also explore Shopify's strategy for cutting AI inference costs by 75x using smaller, s
Retrofit or reimagine? Developer environments for humans and agents | Ona’s Matt Boyle
AI agents have officially arrived on an internet that simply wasn't built for them. So how do we build the infrastructure to keep them safe, productive, and contained? This week, Andrew sits down with Matt Boyle, Head of Product, Design and Engineering at Ona (formerly Gitpod), to discuss evolving cloud development environments into secure, enterprise-grade "agent jails." They explo
The T-shaped leader, Disney can’t catch a break, and will you trust Auto mode?
Is OpenAI killing off its viral video generator to pivot toward the enterprise market? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben banter over the demise of Sora and examine Anthropic's new Auto Mode safety controls. The duo then explores a major New York Times piece that proves the conversation about the end of traditional computer programming is officially going mainstream. Finally, they
Why AI-assisted PRs merge at half the rate of human code | LinearB’s 2026 Benchmarks
Over 88% of developers use AI regularly, but AI-assisted pull requests merge at less than half the rate of human-authored code. In this episode, Dan Lines and Ben Lloyd Pearson break down the findings from LinearB's 2026 Engineering Benchmarks Report to reveal how AI is fundamentally reshaping software delivery. They explore the stark behavioral differences between unassisted, AI-assisted, an
Sloppypasta culprits, unpacking MCP’s spotlight, and Anthropic wants your agents to work the graveyard shift
Are rolling token blackouts and late-night AI coding shifts about to become the new normal for developers? This week on the Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben explore the shifting economics of AI compute before debating whether the Model Context Protocol (MCP) was fundamentally overhyped. The hosts also dive into "context anchoring" to prevent model compaction during long coding sessions, why
Many tokens make all bugs shallow & open source’s new maintainers | Chainguard's Dan Lorenc
Autonomous agents are pushing deployment speeds to the absolute limit, but is our security infrastructure ready for the consequences? Andrew sits down with Chainguard CEO Dan Lorenc to discuss the severe supply chain risks of this new frontier and what it takes to safely transition to an agent-first engineering model. They explore how engineering teams can safely accelerate deployments by turning
Inference is the new 401k matching and what we’re learning from AI-related outages
Are we heading toward a bizarre future where your engineering salary is paid in AI compute tokens instead of cash? Andrew and Ben tackle the latest tech industry shakeups, starting with Meta's acquisition of Moltbook and the controversial idea of making inference limits a core employee benefit. They also break down Charlie Guo's harness engineering playbook, the growing pains behind rece
Your engineers need an AI control plane, not more tools | Guild.ai’s James Everingham
Right now, a lot of engineering leaders are stuck in the same loop: rolling out AI tools only to watch their teams quietly drift back to business as usual. Andrew sits down with James Everingham, former Head of Dev Infra at Meta and current CEO of guild.ai, to discuss how to break this cycle by treating AI not just as an autocomplete tool, but as a "sentient fabric" woven directly into y
The agent wasteland, federated workflows, and a computer for computers
Has the cost of software development officially dropped below the minimum wage? Andrew and Ben examine this economic shift alongside the rapid open-source growth and security implications of the OpenClaw project. They also explore Steve Yegge's concept of a federated wasteland for orchestrators and how the new Perplexity Computer is stepping up to act as a persistent, always-on digital cowork
How monday.com paused its roadmap for 30 days to hit AI escape velocity | Sergei Liakhovetsky
Pausing a product roadmap for an entire month to point 700 engineers at a single goal is a significant structural shift, but it transformed monday.com. Andrew sits down with VP of R&D Sergei Liakhovetsky to uncover how fixing core infrastructure and adopting a cell-based architecture paved the way for platform scale. Sergei details the exact framework his leadership team used during their 30-d
Draining the COBOL moat, cybersecurity inequalities, and Claude’s retirement home
Andrew and Ben break down a busy week on the Friday Deploy, starting with the market reaction to new COBOL tools and the permissions oversights that led to recent outages at AWS. They also explore the shifting landscape of developer productivity studies, the security risks of cloud-hosted agents, and the latest cybersecurity takeaways from the International AI Safety report. Finally, they close ou
Your keyboard is the real bottleneck | Wispr’s Sahaj Garg
Your keyboard is the biggest bottleneck in your engineering workflow. This week, Andrew sits down with Wispr co-founder and CTO Sahaj Garg to discuss why traditional voice dictation failed us, and how his team is rebuilding trust by using contextual models to capture a developer's raw intent rather than treating speech models as "dumb" tools that just produce literal transcripts. To
Outcome engineering, AI hit pieces, and the end of the backlog
Is the traditional engineering backlog officially a thing of the past? Andrew and Ben explore the principles of outcome engineering and how continuous productivity is permanently changing how software gets built. They also examine a busy week of industry news, from Peter Steinberger joining OpenAI to the amusing and bewildering story of a hit piece written by an autonomous AI agent. Finally, the h
Dex Horthy on Ralph, RPI, and escaping the "Dumb Zone"
When the Ralph autonomous loop was born, Dex Horthy was "in the garden," witnessing the spark that set the AI engineering community on fire. Andrew sits down with the HumanLayer founder to discuss how to escape the "Dumb Zone" by applying his strict RPI (Research, Plan, Implement) methodology - a process that forces agents to generate intermediate design artifacts and align on
Breaking GitHub, AI vampires & the great Oz | Warp’s Zach Lloyd
Did AI agents just DDoS GitHub? Andrew and Ben are joined by Warp Founder and CEO Zach Lloyd to discuss the massive strain agentic workflows are putting on our infrastructure and why the "Monday Morning Commit Spike" is the new normal. They also dive into Steve Yegge’s reflective piece on the "AI Vampire" and the economic pressure on developers to output 10x results without 10x
Multi-agent orchestration in Slack | Saleforce's Kurtis Kemple
Is Slack just a chat app, or is it becoming the command line for the agentic future? Andrew sits down with Kurtis Kemple, Senior Director of DevRel at Slack, to discuss the platform's evolution into an "agentic work operating system" where humans and bots collaborate in real-time. They explore the concept of "leaky prompts," how to harness unstructured chat data to drive a
Moltbook, Rent-a-Human, Super Agents & Connectivity Benchmark Report | ft. Gary Lerhaupt
What happens when 1.7 million autonomous agents build their own social network and start hiring humans for physical labor? Andrew and Ben break down the most surreal week in AI history - from the Moltbook social network to the Rent-a-Human marketplace - and debate whether vibe coding is killing open source. Later, they sit down with Gary Lerhaupt, VP of Product Architecture at Salesforce, to discu
Nobody is shipping your agent’s code (yet) | Predictions from LinearB’s Ori Keren
AI has successfully solved the blank page problem for developers, but it has created a massive new bottleneck downstream in the SDLC. LinearB CEO Ori Keren joins us to explain why 2026 will be a year of norming as organizations struggle to digest the flood of AI-generated code. In this annual prediction episode, he details why upstream velocity gains are being lost to chaos in reviews and testing.
OpenClaw, a constitution for AI, breaking dark flow, and open source as a moat?
In this Friday Deploy, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral Moltbot (now OpenClaw) phenomenon and Steve Yegge's Software Survival 3.0 essay, debating how SaaS companies can build moats in an era of token-constrained engineering. They also explore the concept of "Dark Flow" - a deceptive state where vibe coding feels productive but hides accumulated tech debt - and break down Anthropic
Scaffolding is coping not scaling, and other lessons from Codex | OpenAI’s Thibault Sottiaux
If you rely on complex scaffolding to build AI agents you aren't scaling you are coping. Thibault Sottiaux from OpenAI’s Codex team joins us to explain why they are ruthlessly removing the harness to solve for true agentic autonomy. We discuss the bitter lesson of vertical integration, why scalable primitives beat clever tricks, and how the rise of the super bus factor is reshaping engineerin
Angie Jones on Ralphing 25k repos at Block, GPT-5.2 Codex, and CES weirdness
With the Ralph loop going mainstream, how are engineering organizations utilizing it at scale? Andrew and Ben sit down with Angie Jones, VP of Engineering AI Tools and Enablement at Block, to pick her brain on how they are using the Ralph Wiggum technique to automate updates across 25,000 repos and how she is strategically preparing for Gas Town. The team also breaks down the launch of OpenAI&apos
Backstage’s journey from spreadsheets to global IDP standard | Spotify’s Tyson Singer
Before Backstage became the industry standard for developer portals, Spotify’s engineers relied on spreadsheets to navigate their massive microservices ecosystem.Tyson Singer, Spotify’s Head of Technology and Platforms, joins us to trace the evolution of their internal developer experience from a necessity for order into the open-source giant Backstage and its new SaaS evolution, Portal. We dig in
Ralph Wiggum goes to Gas Town and the death of the IC
In our first-ever Friday edition, Andrew and Ben dive into the viral "Ralph Loop" phenomenon and discuss how simple bash loops and deterministic context allocation are changing the unit economics of code. They also explore Steve Yegge's chaotic "Gas Town" concept for orchestrating AI agents, debate whether AI is killing the individual contributor role, and share a laugh ov
Inventing the Ralph Wiggum Loop | Creator Geoffrey Huntley
Geoffrey Huntley argues that while software development as a profession is effectively dead, software engineering is more alive—and critical—than ever before. In this episode, the creator of the viral "Ralph" agent joins us to explain how simple bash loops and deterministic context allocation are fundamentally changing the unit economics of code. We dive deep into the mechanics of managi
How Capital One supports 14,000 technologists with one pipeline | Ameesh Paleja
Capital One operates less like a traditional bank and more like a "technology company that happens to do banking." Ameesh Paleja, EVP of Enterprise Platforms, joins the show to explain how this philosophy empowers their 14,000 technologists to innovate at the speed of a startup despite operating in a highly regulated industry.Watch: 2026 Benchmarks InsightsFollow the show:Subscribe to ou
The one where we vibe code holiday cards | Season 5 Finale
As the year draws to a close, the Dev Interrupted team reflects on a transformative year in engineering spanning the rise of RAG and vector databases to the emergence of agentic workflows. For the first time, we’re taking the conversation out of the booth and into the IDE. Head over to the Dev Interrupted YouTube channel to watch the team vibe code custom holiday cards and close out the year with
Why engineering leadership matters more than ever | Manoj Mohan
The common narrative suggests AI will make engineering leadership obsolete, but history - and the Industrial Revolution - suggests the opposite is true. Engineering executive Manoj Mohan joins the show live from ELC to argue that as code generation costs drop, the demand for high-level judgment and strategic oversight will only skyrocket. He breaks down why leaders must stop starting with models a
The hidden costs of pre-computing data | Chalk's Elliot Marx
Is your engineering team wasting budget and sacrificing latency by pre-computing data that most users never see? Chalk co-founder Elliot Marx joins Andrew Zigler to explain why the future of AI relies on real-time pipelines rather than traditional storage. They dive into solving compute challenges for major fintechs, the value of incrementalism, Elliot’s thoughts on and why strong fundamental prob
Are developers happy yet? Unpacking the 2025 Developer Survey | Stack Overflow’s Erin Yepis
After hitting a low point last year, developer job satisfaction is officially on the rise. Erin Yepis returns to the show to unpack the 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey, analyzing how autonomy and compensation are driving this recovery. We also cover the happiness gap between senior and junior engineers, the surprising drop in trust for AI tools, and why vibe coding is failing to catch on with
From Kubernetes to AI maximalism | Stacklok's Craig McLuckie
When you co-create Kubernetes, you earn the right to have strong opinions on the next platform shift. This week, Ben sits down with Craig McLuckie, Co-founder & CEO of Stacklok, who is advocating for a shift in leadership mindset. He argues we need to move from asking if we can use AI to demanding to know why we can’t. Listen to hear why he believes an "AI maximalist" philosophy is t
Speed is the moat | AMD’s Anush Elangovan
In the race to define the future of AI, what's the one advantage that truly lasts? It's not proprietary tech, argues Anush Elangovan, VP of AI Software at AMD, but the sustainable speed of innovation. He explains why AMD is rejecting the "walled garden" model for its open source ROCm stack, betting that an open community flywheel is the key to victory. Listen to understand how
How spec-driven development is changing the rules | AWS’ Amit Patel
What is "spec-driven development," and why is this structured approach the key to unlocking complex AI projects? We're joined by Amit Patel, Director of Software Development for Kiro at AWS, to explore this methodology. He explains why "vibe coding" in a chat window fails on multi-day initiatives: the AI (and the developer) loses context. Kiro solves this by turning requir
The CTO must now think like the CFO to survive | Sancus Ventures’ Lake Dai
AI is forcing engineering leaders to become part-CFO, part-governance expert, and part-business strategist. Are you ready for the shift? We're joined by Lake Dai, a globally recognized AI expert, professor at Carnegie Mellon, and founder of Sancus Ventures, to explore the new operating strategies required in an AI-first era. She explains why AI has evolved from a simple tool to a core busines
How leaders win over their team’s biggest AI skeptics | Superhuman’s Loic Houssier
Forget top-down mandates. How do you foster organic AI adoption on a skeptical, high-performing engineering team? Loic Houssier, Head of Engineering at Superhuman, joins us to share how he did just that. He explains his strategy for overcoming cynicism, which involved leveraging a highly respected internal champion, the Chief Architect, to re-evaluate the tools and prove their potential was no lon
AI isn't for cutting costs, it's for multiplying impact | Super.com's Matt Culver
Is your company using AI to trim your budget, or to multiply your team's impact? We're joined by Matt Culver, a senior engineering leader at Super.com, to discuss why the common view of AI as a tool for cost-cutting is a misguided "accounting mindset" that ultimately destroys trust. He argues that leaders should instead see efficiency gains from AI as a powerful opportunity to
The timelessness of vector databases | Pinecone’s Ram Sriharsha
With massive context windows and new agent frameworks, do vector databases still matter? Ram Sriharsha, CTO at Pinecone, joins the conversation to make the definitive case that they're more critical than ever. He explains that at the core of all AI is search, and externalizing this function is non-negotiable for security, auditability, and control.Ram offers a clear starting path for engineer
Is Agentforce the future of enterprise vibe coding? | Salesforce’s Dan Fernandez
Vibe coding is a developer's dream, but in the enterprise, it can be a nightmare of risk and shadow IT. So how do you saddle the 'wild horse' of modern AI development? Dan Fernandez, VP of Product Management, Developer Services at Salesforce, joins the conversation to share the answer: a new category his team is pioneering called Enterprise Vibe Coding. This discussion reveals how t
Building the internet’s next infrastructure layer | Cloudflare's Brendan Irvine-Broque
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