Talking Markets with Franklin Templeton
Global perspectives and local insights from Franklin Templeton's investment teams. The podcast covers market trends, economic analysis, and investment strategies. Each episode features expert commentary on financial topics relevant to global investors.
Episodes
Anatomy of a Recession: Are Current Strong Earnings a Bubble?
Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Strategy at ClearBridge Investments, tells us that the US economy is holding firm, with recession risk at just 20%, a strengthening labor market, and resilient consumer spending. He goes on to discuss stronger-than-expected earnings, the AI capex surge, a genuine industrial cycle, and what a new Fed Chair means for markets.
Still Early Innings for Artificial Intelligence
Description (used on blogs & websites):In this episode of Talking Markets with Franklin Templeton, host John Przygocki sits down with Chris Galipeau, Head Market Strategist at the Franklin Templeton Institute, and Putnam Investments portfolio managers Andy O'Brien and Bobby Gray to explore artificial intelligence through the lens of professional investors. What's driving the urgency behind unprece
Anatomy of a Recession: Two Macro Economic Risks Fading
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments explains to host John Przygocki why he maintains a constructive outlook for the US economy, putting the odds of recession in the next 12 months at just 20%. Touching on the potential inflation implications of June's jobs report and falling oil prices, Schulze also examines shifting stock-bond correlations and argues that current S&P 500 valuations, while ele
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Resilience
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments joins host John Przygocki to discuss US economic resilience amid Middle East energy disruptions. With 11 of 12 of his Recession Risk Dashboard indicators now green, Schulze highlights a strong labor market, durable consumer spending, and a CapEx cycle broadening that extends well beyond AI. He views the economy as mid-cycle, remains constructive on US equit
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Jevons paradox predicts no AI "job apocalypse"
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments joins host John Przygocki to assess the health of the US economy. He points to a resilient Q1 GDP reading, strong jobs data and earnings growth in estimating a 30% recession probability. He cites the Jevons paradox to explain why he doesn't fear an AI "job apocalypse." And he remains bullish on US equities despite Middle East uncertainty and inflation worrie
Small caps deserve a closer look
In this episode of Talking Markets, Franklin Templeton Institute's Chris Galipeau and Royce's Frank Gannon examine the current opportunity in small cap equities. Against a resilient US economic backdrop, they highlight the recent outperformance of small cap equities driven by accelerating earnings growth, attractive valuations, and secular tailwinds such as reshoring, deregulation, and AI adoptio
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Conflict, volatility and opportunity
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments joins host John Przygocki to assess recession risks, energy price shocks, market volatility, and investor concerns from AI and labor trends to private credit and market concentration. Schulze also explains why the current "wall of worry" can actually create long-term equity opportunities.
The opportunity in emerging markets today
Brian Freiwald of Putnam Investments joins us to discuss the nature of emerging markets and how their behavior differs from the US equity market. He offers his views on the reasons to allocate to emerging markets, including insights on specific companies and the broader opportunity across emerging markets today.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Geopolitical conflict and the US economy
Our host, John Przygocki, sits down with ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze to assess the US economic outlook, evolving recession risks, and the market implications of escalating geopolitical tensions. The conversation spans inflation dynamics, the potential impact of oil price increases and Fed policy expectations, while also exploring AI disruption and providing an update on US equity market
The Opportunity in Municipal Bonds in 2026
We sit down with guests Rick Polsinello from the Franklin Templeton Institute and Ben Barber of Franklin Templeton Fixed Income to discuss the US economy and the municipal bond market in 2026. They cover why they view the economy as resilient, some key investment themes for the year, and the growing opportunity within municipal bonds.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: The Rotation Continues
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments reviews the latest Recession Risk Dashboard, including an update to Manufacturing PMI, New Orders. He also shares his thoughts on rotation in the US equity space, consumer strength, and why markets may see some volatility in 2026.
Global Investment Management Survey: Outlook on equities and more
We sit down with Chris Galipeau of Franklin Templeton Institute and Putnam's Kate Lakin to explore key insights from our Global Investment Management Survey and what they signal for the 2026 market landscape. Together, Chris and Kate break down expectations around economic growth, market broadening, and the strong business fundamentals shaping potential opportunities for investors.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Is the AI era a repeat of the dot.com era?
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments shares insights from the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard, explores the outlook for US equities in 2026, and discusses how AI-driven capital expenditures compare to past innovation cycles. Get his perspective on economic trends and where opportunities may lie in the year ahead.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: AI and the labor market
In this episode, our host John Przygocki and ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze examine the state of the US economy following the end of the government shutdown and amid ongoing debates about the impact of artificial intelligence on employment. They cover key themes such as labor market stability, the potential for further Fed rate cuts, and the surge in capital spending by major technology fi
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Robust earnings good for labor market
Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Strategy at ClearBridge Investments, discusses the latest US economic outlook and provides insights on the Recession Risk Dashboard. Despite a federal government shutdown delaying official data releases, Jeff shares the alternative indicators he's using and why he thinks they point to continued economic resilience, strong corporate earnings, and a resilie
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Bubble or Boom?
Jeff Schulze from ClearBridge Investments discusses the potential for Fed interest-rate cuts and why he's leaning a bit hawkish. He also compares today's market dynamics to the late 1990s tech boom and shares his thoughts on the Magnificent Seven and global equity performance.
Colossal Tech: How AI capex is shaping the economy
Franklin Equity Group's Matt Moberg joins us to discuss the economic impact of innovation and artificial intelligence. He provides insights on how historical context can inform investment strategy, reviews innovation beyond technology, and emphasizes the significance of AI-related capital expenditures as a transformative force in the global economy.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Three Fed rate cuts likely by year's end
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments shares his take on the August payroll figures and reviews the Recession Risk Dashboard which is currently holding with an overall green signal. He also covers why he thinks we may see three interest rate cuts from the Federal Reserve this year.
Markets, myths and milestones—30 years in muni bonds
Ben Barber of Franklin Templeton Fixed Income shares his views on the significant changes within the municipal bond market over the last 30 years. He also covers some misconceptions about the muni environment, new investment vehicles, and potential areas of opportunity for investors.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: What is the labor market signaling?
ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze provide his insights on the US labor market—reviewing the latest job report and past payroll revision figures. And, he covers why his views about potential Fed rate cuts in 2025 have shifted.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Soft patch ahead?
We hear from Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments on the chances of a recession, why investors may need to recalibrate their views on what a normal level of job growth is in the United States, and he reviews what's happening on the tariffs and trade front.
Are investors underestimating AI?
Jonathan Curtis, portfolio manager and Chief Investment Officer of Franklin Equity Group, joins us to discuss the next potential breakthroughs in artificial intelligence (AI), areas that are likely to see growth in the space, and why he believes that AI efficiency gains are not accurately captured in market valuations at this time.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Tariffs still in play
ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze reviews the two indicator upgrades on the Recession Risk Dashboard and shares his views on tariffs, US Treasuries, and why equity markets may see some choppiness over the next few months.
Global Investment Management Survey: Outlook on recession and more
Chris Galipeau, Senior Market Strategist from the Franklin Templeton Institute, shares some key takeaways from the Global Investment Management Survey and provides thoughts on the US equity market, consumer spending, and the potential for recession.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Recession or vibecession?
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments discusses the US labor market, reviewing the April jobs report and sharing his thoughts on GDP growth for the year. He also provides an update on the Recession Risk Dashboard and the potential opportunities within US equities.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Tariffs increase recession odds
We speak with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments about the updates in the Recession Risk Dashboard and learn why he believes the odds of a potential recession have increased to 50%. And, he discusses the current position of the Federal Reserve, provides his base case on tariffs and covers how diversification is making a comeback.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: How much rests on consumer confidence?
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments provides an update on the health of the US economy, explores the current dynamics of US equities, and reviews the potential effects of tariffs on markets. Plus, he'll break down the latest changes on the Recession Risk Dashboard following two indicator downgrades.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Less "magnificent" earnings expectations
This month's "Talking Markets" podcast offers perspective from ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze on tariffs and the US equity complex. And, we review the two individual indicator upgrades that January brought on the Recession Risk Dashboard.
Global Investment Management Survey: Outlook on equities and more
Chris Galipeau, Senior Market Strategist from the Franklin Templeton Institute, gives us some key takeaways from the Global Investment Management Survey and his thoughts on US equities.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Can US exceptionalism continue?
After a period of no indicator upgrades within the Recession Risk Dashboard, there was quite a bit of movement in December. We speak with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments about these moves and more.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Outlook 2025—Will US Exceptionalism Continue?
In this special episode, ClearBridge Investments' colleagues, Jeff Schulze and Josh Jamner, discuss their base case for the US economy and equity markets in 2025.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: What we don't know about tariff plans
With US elections now behind us, we sit down with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments to get his thoughts on the new political landscape, the potential for higher tariffs on imports and the implications for the US equity market.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: The case for economic reacceleration
We speak with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments about the health of the US consumer and equity market, and get an update on the Recession Risk Dashboard.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Speaking of the election
With the US presidential election approaching, we sit down with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments to get his thoughts on the four election outcomes and their potential impact on government spending, tax changes, trade policy and overall the US economy.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Economy's health holds steady
Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments joins us to give an update on the Recession Risk Dashboard and shares which indicators to keep an eye on for next month. He also provides his perspective on the recent selloffs in the equity market and the potential for some choppiness leading up to the US election.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Economic growth ahead?
We speak with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments about the dramatic improvement within the Recession Risk Dashboard, delving into the individual indicator changes. And, he shares his thoughts on when we may see a Fed rate cut and addresses concerns about US equity valuations.
Global Investment Management Survey: Our collective forecast
Chris Galipeau, senior market strategist from the Franklin Templeton Institute joins us to share some key takeaways from the 2024 mid-year release of Franklin Templeton's Global Investment Management Survey.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Profit margins and credit spreads improve
In May, the Recession Risk Dashboard saw two individual indicator upgrades, including a move from yellow to green. We speak with ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze about the positive momentum we've seen in the dashboard and get his perspective on the current global landscape.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: A wait-and-see Fed
Continued progress in the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard saw the wage growth indicator move from red to yellow. Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments shares his views on what that move could mean for investors, how many Fed rate cuts we may see this year, and the potential market implications of the upcoming US presidential election.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: What's different about this cycle?
Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Strategy at ClearBridge Investments, joins us to discuss the updated ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard, which has seen some progress underneath the surface despite not having any indicator changes. And, he shares his views on US equities and the impact of the Magnificent Seven.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Soft landing chances rise
In the latest release of the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard, we've seen that a particular indicator upgrade was enough to change the overall dashboard—going from red recession to yellow caution—the first time that it's been yellow since August of 2022. We speak with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments about this change and his current base case for the US economy.
Anatomy of a Recession update: Changes in our dashboard
The latest January release of the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard shows another indicator move from red to yellow. Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments shares his insights on what this could mean for the recession outlook in the US and the overall state of the economy.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: New Year, New Dynamic
As 2024 kicks off, we sit down with ClearBridge Investment's Jeff Schulze for an update on the Recession Risk Dashboard that has recently seen some indicator moves from red to yellow, and learn whether recent US economic and labor data has impacted his views on the likelihood of a soft landing.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: The Fed's Next Moves, Anticipating '24
A review of recent US inflation data, the Recession Risk Dashboard, and thoughts on if we've reached the peak in the fed funds rate. Join us for this conversation with Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: How Long Will Consumers Keep Spending?
We speak with ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze about a topic on many investor's minds: the 10-year US Treasury yield and the path of monetary policy. He also shares his views on the latest US retail sales data and whether the consumer resilience will last into 2024.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Threats to a Soft Landing
With lots of chatter in the US around the potential for a soft landing, we speak with Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Strategy at ClearBridge Investments, about his thoughts on the matter and the overall state of the US economy.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: What Is a Recession, Exactly?
Hear from Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Strategy at ClearBridge Investments, about the state of the US economy. Get his perspective on the Federal Reserve's next potential moves.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Cracks in the Foundation
Get perspective on the most recent US economic data, the investor's view, and how reviewing previous recessionary periods may help us today, in this conversation with Jeff Schulze, Head of Economic and Market Research at ClearBridge Investments.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: Gradually, Then Suddenly
In this episode, we speak with Jeff Schulze, head of economic and market research at ClearBridge Investments about the Federal Reserve, rolling sector recessions, artificial intelligence, and receive the latest update on the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: US Labor Market Cracks Emerging?
In this conversation with Jeff Schulze, head of economic and market research at ClearBridge Investments, we focus on the US employment market and consumption, receive an update on the ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard, and discuss the on-again, off-again, soft-landing narrative.
Anatomy of a Recession Update: The Dominoes Are Falling
Jeff Schulze, head of economic and market research at ClearBridge Investments, provides us with an update on the Recession Risk Dashboard, a current view of those lagged effects, and perspective on Q1 earnings. In addition: the debt ceiling and perspective on the outcome of the FOMC meeting.
Anatomy of a Recession: The Lagged Effects of Rate Hikes Have Started
A review of the US economy with Jeff Schulze, investment strategist at ClearBridge Investments, focusing on the most anticipated recession in history. Is it here? What signs are beginning to appear? And how deep will it be?
Anatomy of a Recession: Economic Reacceleration in Perspective
A review of the US economy with focus on inflation, and whether a recession is likely this year with Jeff Schulze, investment strategist at ClearBridge Investments.
Anatomy of a Recession: The Fed's Job Problem
A review of the United States economy with focus on the Federal Reserve, labor, and housing with Jeff Schulze, investment strategist at ClearBridge Investments.
US Financial Services Policies Shift to Rules, Regulations, and Executive Actions
Drew Carrington, Head of Institutional DC at Franklin Templeton, discusses the implications of the 2022 US midterm elections for investors with Dean Sackett from Polaris Capital and Dan Murphy and Andy Lewin from the BGR Group.
Anatomy of a Recession: The Long View for a New Year
We meet with regular guest, Jeff Schulze of ClearBridge Investments, to discuss the US economy—focusing on inflation, the US labor market, and the Federal Reserve.
Anatomy of a Recession: Interpreting Mixed Economic Signals
A look at the United States economy with a focus on labor, home sales and corporate profits with Jeff Schulze, investment strategist at ClearBridge Investments.
Anatomy of a Recession: Remain Patient Amid Market Gyrations
We discuss with ClearBridge Investments' Jeff Schulze, the potential economic and market impacts of the US midterm elections, get perspective on the Fed action against inflation, and review the current ClearBridge Recession Risk Dashboard.
Anatomy of a Recession: Focusing on the Fed
We speak with Jeff Schulze, Investment Strategist at ClearBridge Investments and architect of their Anatomy of a Recession program, about how the Federal Reserve's latest moves are impacting the odds of a recession in the US. Plus, what it would take for the Fed to reverse course and make a dovish pivot. And, how much is a recession already baked into the markets?
Investing in Innovation: Impacts of Market Volatility and Shocks
Franklin Equity Group's Renee Anderson and Matt Moberg cover investing in innovation during market volatility. We hear how business fundamentals and valuations look right now. Plus, from electric vehicles and renewable energy, to the metaverse, blockchain and more—a breakdown of which innovation themes have the most upside and challenges.
Increasing Yields: Strategy Shifts for Income Investors
Rapidly changing economic and market conditions could lead to a shift in strategy for income investors. Ed Perks, chief investment officer of Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions, breaks down the macro environment and shares the fixed income sectors he believes are now attractive, in this conversation with our Josh Greco.
Anatomy of a Recession: Deteriorating Economic Conditions with Continuing Bear Market
How deteriorating economic conditions make a US recession more likely. Plus, is a so-called soft-landing still even possible? And, a look at data from previous bear markets for clues on how long this one may last, and whether the S&P 500 has already hit bottom. Talking about it all is Jeff Schulze, Investment Strategist at ClearBridge Investments and architect of their Anatomy of a Recession progr
Looking Beneath the Surface of Monetary Policy Tightening
Thought leaders from Franklin Templeton and our Specialist Investment Managers discuss how the largest Fed hike in nearly three decades, along with the possibility of subsequent significant hikes, could impact US markets and the economy. Plus, which developed and emerging markets face the most challenging economic and investing environments. And, why history shows investors worried about inflation
Making the Case for Municipal Bonds Despite Recent Volatility
While inflation and rising interest rates are putting pressure on the municipal bond market, the environment for investors seeking income and other benefits from munis may be setting up well for the second half of the year and beyond. Talking about it all is Ben Barber, Director of Municipal Bonds with Franklin Templeton Fixed Income, and Josh Greco of Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions.
Making Sense of the Recent Market Selloffs
Putting the selloff in equity markets in perspective. Why the pendulum has shifted so strongly negative, and is there any bottom in sight? Plus, where investors looking for diversification could go, beyond equities and fixed income. And, a cautionary tale about cryptocurrencies. Talking about it all is our Wylie Tollette and Stephen Dover.
Anatomy of a Recession: Why a US Recession is Unlikely Near Term
Jeff Schulze, Investment Strategist at ClearBridge Investments and architect of ClearBridge's Anatomy of a Recession program, provides his views on why growing fears of a US recession may be overblown, at least near-term.
Uncertainty Leads to Caution: Adjusting Investment Strategies While Taking Down Risk
With uncertainty mounting on many fronts globally, we hear how investment strategies are changing with a focus on taking risk down, while still identifying investment opportunities. Our Head of the Franklin Templeton Institute, Stephen Dover, talks about it all with Gene Podkaminer, Head of Research for Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions, Francis Scotland, Director of Global Macro Research fo
Are Central Banks Too Late to Tackle Inflation?
Can the Fed play catch-up and reverse rising inflation in the United States? Or, could growth actually slow on its own, so less action is needed? Plus, an inversion in the US Treasury yield curve usually is a recession warning, but hear why that may not be the case, at least for this year. Sonal Desai, Chief Investment Officer of Franklin Templeton Fixed Income, and John Bellows, a Portfolio Manag
Oil's Wild Ride: Have Prices Peaked?
The wild ride up and back down for oil prices. Have oil prices peaked, along with gasoline? Or, will we see further rises in oil and prices at the pump? Plus, what's being done to ramp up oil production globally. And, how many different grades of oil around the world make the situation even more challenging. Stephen Dover, Head of the Franklin Templeton Investment Institute, talks about it all wit
Global Economic and Market Impacts of Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has led to a humanitarian crisis and new geopolitical concerns, while also affecting global economies and capital markets around the world. Talking about it all with our Stephen Dover is Kim Catechis from the Franklin Templeton Investment Institute; Andreas Billmeier, European Economist with Western Asset, Scott Glasser, Chief investment Officer at ClearBridge Investme
Fixed Income - What the Curve is Saying
With higher rates appearing inevitable, fixed income investors must weigh a range of maturities, sectors and credit quality along the yield curve, including low duration strategies less exposed to rate hikes. Plus, how inflation and policy decisions fit into the equation. And, where there could be opportunity at the shorter end of the yield curve. Our Stephen Dover joins Walter Kilcullen of Wester
Market Volatility: Will it Last?
Volatility dominated equity and fixed income markets to start 2022. What's behind it and how long will it last? Plus, a look at investment opportunities that could arise in this environment. Putting it all in perspective with our Stephen Dover is Mark Lindbloom of Western Asset and Scott Glasser of ClearBridge Investments.
Inflation: A Passing Phase or Major Threat
Sonal Desai, Chief Investment Officer, Franklin Templeton Fixed Income, and John Bellows, Portfolio Manager, Western Asset join the Head of the Franklin Templeton Investment Institute, Stephen Dover to debate whether inflation is a passing phase or a longer-term threat. Plus, how inflation outlooks could lead to opportunities for fixed income investors.
Anatomy of a Recession: Changing Conditions but US Economy Remains Strong
Jeff Schulze, Investment Strategist at ClearBridge Investments, provides his latest look at the health of the US economy. We hear about the number one factor driving consumer sentiment down to recessionary levels, three reasons why inflation may not last long term, and what may lie ahead after the Federal Reserve begins to taper and raise interest rates.
A Tale of Two Real Estate Markets: US and China
Tracy Chen, Portfolio Manager with Brandywine Global, and Tim Wang, Head of Investment Research for Clarion Partners, join Head of the Franklin Templeton Investment Institute, Stephen Dover, to take a closer look at how the pandemic has had a major impact on real estate markets, and what it could mean for real estate investors in the US and China.
Positioning for 2022: Tracking Inflation, Rates, Growth & Valuations
Ed Perks, CIO of Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions and Gene Podkaminer, Head of Research for Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions, discuss with Stephen Dover, head of the Franklin Templeton Investment Institute, cross-asset class allocation views and implementation ideas for 2022, considering growth, inflation, rates, and valuation.
High Time for High Yield?
Bill Zox and John McClain, portfolio managers with Brandywine Global, join Amer Hasan to discuss how current market and economic conditions could benefit high yield investors, the opportunities and risks right now, and why the asset class is often overlooked or misunderstood.
Global Macro Views: Mounting Economic and Investment Variables
Templeton Global Macro CIO Michael Hasenstab and Director of Global Macro Research for Brandywine, Francis Scotland, speak with our Stephen Dover about the direction of China, variables that could determine whether labor and inflation concerns will last more long-term, what may be driving energy prices up, beyond just supply and demand, and views on the dollar vs other currencies around the world.
Debating the Next Moves for Inflation, Growth and Rates
Sonal Desai, CIO, Franklin Templeton Fixed Income; John Bellows, PM, Western Asset; and Gene Podkaminer, Head of Research, Franklin Templeton Investment Solutions, join the head of the Franklin Templeton Investment Institute, Stephen Dover to debate the next moves for inflation, growth and rates, and the challenge of positioning portfolios for a variety of outcomes.
Anatomy of A Recession: Looking Ahead To 2022
Hear from Jeff Schulze, Investment Strategist at ClearBridge Investments about the Federal Reserve's timetable for tightening, slow growth, the COVID-19 Delta variant, and the resilience of the US consumer. He explains how all of these variants are factored into determining the risk of recession along with the investment implications.
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