What Came Next
What Came Next is a true crime docuseries podcast that explores what happens after survivors' stories are shared with the world. Hosted by award-winning writer and victim advocate Amy B. Chesler, the show features firsthand accounts from those impacted by crime, examining the role of media and the pursuit of justice. Co-created with Tiffany Reese of Something Was Wrong, the podcast delves into the aftermath of public scrutiny and the long-term effects on survivors.
Episodes
191: [Ginger Goetz] An Uphill Battle She Was Losing // Part 1
Content warning: substance use disorder, substance abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, elder abuse, child-to-parent violence and abuse, and murder.Ginger Goetz is a mother, graphic designer, and co-victim of murder from Kentucky. Since the 2015 murder of her mother, and the consequent legal battle to keep her sister imprisoned for the crime, Ginger has made it her life mission to
190: [Liz] Like a Mime Trapped in a Box
Content warning: stalking, child sexual abuse material, childhood sexual abuse, kidnapping, rape. Liz is a mother and survivor from New York. When she was 14 years old, the police launched an investigation with her next door neighbor as the subject because they suspected he had a nefarious plan to groom and likely abuse Liz. After several months navigating an eye-opening, life-changing criminal j
189: [Rasul T. Freelain] I Have to Tell Sheila's Story
Content warning: murder, parricide, matricide, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, elder abuse, child-to-parent violence and abuse, and false reporting. Rasul T. Freelain is an author and award-winning, retired veteran of the Oak Park Police Department in Illinois. Throughout his 20-year career, he served in roles including Youth Services Supervisor, Patrol Sergeant, and Detective. It w
188: [Jordan Wulf] Good Out of All of the Ugly // Part 3
Content warning: extreme violence, brutality, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, rape, strangulation, torture, domestic violence, criminal threats, kidnapping, and murder. Jordan Wulf is a mother, business professional, victim advocate, and survivor of domestic violence from Iowa. After growing up in a small town and dreaming of becoming a teacher, Jordan set out to create a life for herself post-hig
187: [Jordan Wulf] The Night I Gained My Freedom Back // Part 2
Content warning: extreme violence, brutality, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, rape, strangulation, torture, domestic violence, criminal threats, kidnapping, and murder. Jordan Wulf is a mother, business professional, victim advocate, and survivor of domestic violence from Iowa. After growing up in a small town and dreaming of becoming a teacher, Jordan set out to create a life for herself post-hig
186: [Jordan Wulf] The Beginning of the End // Part 1
Content warning: emotional abuse, sexual abuse, rape, torture, domestic violence, physical brutality, kidnapping, and murder. Jordan Wulf is a mother, business professional, victim advocate, and survivor of domestic violence from Iowa. After growing up in a small town and dreaming of becoming a teacher, Jordan set out to create a life for herself post-high school. However, her trajectory changed
185: [Mary Cain] Nowhere Else to Turn
Content warning: bullying, emotional abuse, sexual abuse, systemic abuse, systemic betrayal, self-harm, and suicidal ideation.Mary Cain is an author, athlete, and non-profit board member that was once hailed as one of the greatest young running talents in the world. But behind her success was a much more complicated story involving the pressures of elite competition, her experience inside the Nik
184: [Shelley Hamilton + Alicia Doyle] Until Answers Are Found // Part 3
Content warning: child abuse, rape, strangulation, asphyxia, and murder. Shelley Hamilton is a co-victim of murder and co-author of the nonfiction book, The Forsaken. She has spent years uncovering the truth behind a deeply personal and complex case that forever changed her family and community, the 1978 murders of Shelley's 24-year-old sister, Rhonda Hamilton Wicht, and Rhonda's four-year-old so
183: [Shelley Hamilton] Almost 39 Years // Part 2
Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, rape, strangulation, asphyxia, and murder. Shelley Hamilton is a co-victim of murder and co-author of the nonfiction book, The Forsaken. She has spent years uncovering the truth behind a deeply personal and complex case that forever changed her family and community, the 1978 murders of Shelley's 24-year-old sister, Rhonda Hamilton Wic
182: [Shelley Hamilton] Life Was in Limbo // Part 1
Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, rape, strangulation, asphyxia, and murder. Shelley Hamilton is a co-victim of murder and co-author of the nonfiction book, The Forsaken. She has spent years uncovering the truth behind a deeply personal and complex case that forever changed her family and community, the 1978 murders of Shelley's 24-year-old sister, Rhonda Hamilton Wic
181: [WCN Presents] Episode 1 - 30 Survivor Updates
Content Warning: criminal threats, professional abuse, image-based sexual abuse, legal abuse, cultic abuse, substance use disorder, driving under the influence, institutional betrayal, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, child-to-parent violence, childhood sexual abuse, sex trafficking, murder, and racism. Welcome to a special update episode of What Came Next. Since the launch of What C
180: [Amber Rodgers] A Crisis Victim Within the System // Part 2
Content warning: childhood abuse, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, abduction, missing persons, gun violence, murder, and mental illness.Amber Rodgers is a survivor, business professional, and creative from Texas. As early as she can remember, her life was filled with chaos. By the time she was fourteen, she was a multi-crime survivor, and by 19 she would serve as a witness in her bes
179: [Amber Rodgers] It's Safe Until It's Not // Part 1
Content warning: childhood abuse, childhood sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, abduction, missing persons, gun violence, murder, and mental illness.Amber Rodgers is a survivor, business professional, and creative from Texas. As early as she can remember, her life was filled with chaos. By the time she was fourteen, she was a multi-crime survivor, and by 19 she would serve as a witness in her bes
178: [SWW Presents] S24 E25 Case & Community Updates - 12/18/2025
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176: [Vanessa Reiser] Episode 77 Updates
Content Warning: legal abuse, divorce, child-to-parent violence, narcissistic abuse, and coercive control.Vanessa Reiser is a mother, author, survivor, and licensed psychotherapist specializing in narcissistic and cult abuse. She is also the founder of Tell a Therapist, LLC and is best known for her 11-day, 285 mile run across the state of New York - in a wedding dress - to raise awareness for na
175: [Tracy Hall] If It Is to Be, It Is up to Me // Part 2
Content Warning: love fraud, intimate fraud, financial fraud, gun violence, and robbery.Tracy Hall is a mother, author, speaker, business marketing expert, and victim of financial and intimate fraud from Australia. After a series of traumatic events and life changes, Tracy found herself unexpectedly single in her early 40’s. Although she had a full life, she sought an activity partner to grow wi
174: [Tracy Hall] I Was His Last Victim // Part 1
Content Warning: miscarriage, love fraud, intimate fraud, financial fraud, and robbery. Tracy Hall is a mother, author, speaker, business marketing expert, and victim of financial and intimate fraud from Australia. After a series of traumatic events and life changes, Tracy found herself unexpectedly single in her early 40’s. Although she had a full life, she sought an activity partner to grow wit
173: [Ali Davis] The Cycle Repeated
Content Warning: suicidal ideation, suicide, neglect, abuse, torture, child abuse, childhood torture, domestic childhood torture, institutionalized abuse, and institutionalized torture. Ali Davis is a healthcare professional, non-profit founder, and a survivor of alleged childhood torture. She was born in Alaska, and as early as she can remember, the alleged torture that she would face at the han
172: [Nichole Schmidt - Netflix's American Murder: Gabby Petito] Her Voice is So Big
Content Warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, strangulation, and murder. Nichole Schmidt is a mother, speaker, non-profit founder, victim advocate, and co-victim of murder. Her trajectory changed drastically in August of 2021 with the very public disappearance and murder of her daughter, Gabby Petito. In the wake of her loss, Nichole has transformed her grief into legislative and
171: [Jana Guyewski-Lautigar] Protect Their Story & Truth // Part 2
Content Warning: systemic betrayal, institutional betrayal, gun violence, suicide, and murder.As shared in part one of her story, Jana Guyewski-Lautigar is a mother, educator, social worker, and author from Bastrop, Louisiana. She joins us today to honor her sister, Crystal McCrorry Jones, whose life tragically ended on February 9th, 2023. Her death was deemed an unattended death - when a person
170: [Jana Guyewski-Lautigar] I Didn't Have Any Answers // Part 1
Content Warning: systemic betrayal, institutional betrayal, gun violence, suicide, and murder.Jana Guyewski-Lautigar is a mother, educator, social worker, and author from Bastrop, Louisiana. She joins us today to honor her sister, Crystal McCrorry Jones, whose life tragically ended on February 9th, 2023. Her death was deemed an unattended death - when a person passes away without witnesses or med
169: [Jen Higgins] A Nightmarish Loop
Content warning: self-harm, suicidal ideation, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, and suicide. Jen Higgins is a resident of Arkansas, mother, and founder of Anyway Socks, a company on a mission to help end domestic violence. Jen was inspired to create the company after the loss of her best friend, Brooke. In years prior, Brooke had been surviving and attempting to escape a violent rela
168: [Robin Lee] He Took Every Part of Her // Part 2
Content Warning: unhousedness, substance abuse, substance abuse disorder, domestic violence, child-to-parent violence, elder abuse, parricide, and murder.As shared in part one of her story, Robin Lee is a court reporter, mother, survivor, and co-victim of murder from Southern California. Although Robin’s career in the criminal justice system has given her a unique perspective, it was the loss of
167: [Robin Lee] He Cast a Spell on Her // Part 1
Content Warning: intrafamilial sexual abuse, substance abuse, substance abuse disorder, domestic violence, child-to-parent violence, elder abuse, parricide, and murder. Robin Lee is a court reporter, mother, survivor, and co-victim of murder from Southern California. Although Robin’s career in the criminal justice system has given her a unique perspective, it was the loss of her beloved mother, J
166: Ep. 99 [Lisa Phillips] Get To The Truth - 11/29/2024
Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, statutory rape, human trafficking, sex trafficking, and suicide.This episode originally aired on November 29th, 2024.Lisa Phillips is a model, actress, survivor, and victim advocate who has spent much of her life all over the world. While cultivating a career in the modeling and acting industries, Lisa even found herself overs
165: [Marina Lacerda] Power & Connections // Part 2
Content Warning: grooming, domestic violence, physical violence, sexual violence, sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and sex trafficking.In these two episodes we feature Marina Lacerda, a survivor and mother from Brazil. In her youth, she immigrated to New York with her mother in hopes of forging a new life. Almost immediately, Marina would begin to face sexual and physical violence that norma
164: [Marina Lacerda] Trapped in That World // Part 1
Content Warning: grooming, domestic violence, physical violence, sexual violence, sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and sex trafficking.Marina Lacerda is a survivor and mother from Brazil. In her youth, she immigrated to New York with her mother in hopes of forging a new life. Almost immediately, Marina would begin to face sexual and physical violence that normalized a long cycle of abuse. By
163: [Mae Scott] Killing Me With Paper // Part 3
Content Warning: child abuse, domestic violence, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, sexual assault, image-based sexual abuse, cyberstalking, and rape.Mae Scott is a multi-crime survivor, mother, and author. Her story of survivorship began at the age of 14, when she met the man she would eventually marry. And although their relationship would end violently and her ex-husband would face a poten
162: [Mae Scott] His Mask Slipped // Part 2
Content Warning: child abuse, domestic violence, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, sexual assault, image-based sexual abuse, cyberstalking, and rape.Mae Scott is a multi-crime survivor, mother, and author. Her story of survivorship began at the age of 14, when she met the man she would eventually marry. And although their relationship would end violently and her ex-husband would face a poten
161: [Mae Scott] Building Our Future With Words // Part 1
Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, sexual assault, image-based sexual abuse, cyberstalking, and rape.Mae Scott is a multi-crime survivor, mother, and author. Her story of survivorship began at the age of 14, when she met the man she would eventually marry. And although their relationship would end violently and her ex-husband would face a potential life sen
160: [Nicole Meyer] I Chose to Speak Up // Part 3
Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, spiritual, and professional abuse, stalking, child abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and rape.Nicole Meyer is a mother, educator, and victim-survivor of several types of abuse from Melbourne, Australia. Her journey towards justice and healing was a long, arduous one that spanned 15 years and two countries. Amidst it, Nicole was eventually join
159: [Nicole Meyer] The Evidence Weighed Upon Us // Part 2
Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, spiritual, and professional abuse, stalking, child abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and rape.Nicole Meyer is a mother, educator, and victim-survivor of several types of abuse from Melbourne, Australia. Her journey towards justice and healing was a long, arduous one that spanned 15 years and two countries. Amidst it, Nicole was eventually join
158: [Nicole Meyer] The Fear Was So Strong // Part 1
Content Warning: domestic violence, physical, emotional, spiritual, and professional abuse, stalking, child abuse, childhood sexual abuse, and rape.Nicole Meyer is a mother, educator, and victim-survivor of several types of abuse from Melbourne, Australia. Her journey towards justice and healing was a long, arduous one that spanned 15 years and two countries. Amidst it, Nicole was eventually join
157: [What Came Next] Thank You!
Hi friends, We wanted to take a moment to wish our audience the healthiest, happiest new year possible. We are endlessly grateful for each of you who listens, shares, and shows up with curiosity and care. We don’t take your listening lightly. Thank you for choosing to spend your time with us, for leaving your hearts open to our guests’ perspectives, and for supporting What Came Next in ways both b
156: [Dr. Kelli Boling + Dr. Danielle Slakoff] Helping Those Harmed
Content Warning: domestic violence, murder, and missing persons. Dr. Kelli Boling and Dr. Danielle Slakoff join us today to discuss their impactful research about the creation and consumption of true crime media. They both bring years of experience and expertise to their work in hopes of inspiring true crime to be a more equitable healing space for victims and co-victims. The Broken Cycle Media t
155: [Kelly Sutliff - IDtv's 'Toxic'] The Justice I Was Denied // Part 2
Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, image-based sexual abuse, strangulation, domestic violence, and attempted murder.As shared in part one of her story, Kelly Sutliff is a survivor, founder of the nonprofit Kelly’s K-9’s: Tails of Courage, and a licensed professional counselor from New Jersey. In 2018, after a devastating grief journey, Kelly decided to return to her search for a life partner.
154: [Kelly Sutliff - IDtv's 'Toxic'] A Fire in Me // Part 1
Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, image-based sexual abuse, strangulation, domestic violence, and attempted murder. Kelly Sutliff is a survivor, founder of the nonprofit Kelly’s K-9’s: Tails of Courage, and a licensed professional counselor from New Jersey. In 2018, after a devastating grief journey, Kelly decided to return to her search for a life partner. It wouldn’t be long before she met
153: [Janelle Hill] Beauty in the Brokenness // Part 2
Content Warning: verbal abuse, physical abuse, child sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, and suicidal ideation.Janelle Hill is a psychiatric nurse practitioner and survivor from Montana. She and I first had the chance to meet each other at an intimate dinner celebrating the survivor-founded non-profit, The Army of Survivors, and their newest evolution: a full rebranding as The Athlete Survivor's
152: [Janelle Hill] Trauma-Informed // Part 1
Content Warning: verbal abuse, physical abuse, child sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, and suicidal ideation.Janelle Hill is a psychiatric nurse practitioner and survivor from Montana. She and I first had the chance to meet each other at an intimate dinner celebrating the survivor-founded non-profit, The Army of Survivors, and their newest evolution: a full rebranding as The Athlete Survivor's
151: Ep. 17 [Dr. Danielle Moore] No Longer a Number - 6/2/23
*Content warning: self-harm, child abuse, physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse and assault.Dr. Danielle Moore is a doctorate of forensic psychology, victim advocate, and former competitive gymnast. Despite the fact that her tumultuous journey has included extensive abuse and physical and emotional pain, Dr. Dani is a true beacon of hope for survivors. No matter what came next for her, sh
150: [Maggie Freleng] Communicate the Humanity
Content warning: wrongful conviction, domestic violence, childhood abuse, robbery, death, and murder. Maggie Freleng is an advocate, award-winning journalist, and producer reporting on wrongful convictions, the criminal legal system, and social issues. She's the host and producer of the Pulitzer Prize-winning podcast Suave on PRX, as well as the host and producer of the Signal and Anthem award-w
149: [Marlee Liss] Meaningful Justice
Content Warning: rape, self-harm, and suicidal ideation.Marlee Liss is a survivor,award-winning speaker, victim advocate, somatic educator, and author from Toronto, Canada. She grew up in the arts, but pivoted to social work when she began her college career. It was in Marlee’s junior year when her life changed forever; she became the victim of a sexual assault and entered an arduous journey in t
148: [Bevin Llanes] I Need to Know the Failures // Part 2
Content Warning: self-harm, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, multiple perpetrator sexual assault, rape, gang violence, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, physical abuse, mental abuse, abduction, murder. Bevin Llanes is a mother, survivor, and victim advocate from New York. Bevin joins us today to share about her daughter Meghan’s journey, as well as to bring awareness to domestic vio
147: [Bevin Llanes] She Always Knew I Loved Her // Part 1
Content Warning: self-harm, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, multiple perpetrator sexual assault, rape, gang violence, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, physical abuse, mental abuse, abduction, murder. Bevin Llanes is a mother, survivor, and victim advocate from New York. Bevin joins us today to share about her daughter Meghan’s journey, as well as to bring awareness to domestic viol
146: [WCN Presents] Writing & Publishing Your Story
If you’ve ever thought about writing your story - whether that's for personal catharsis or for connection to your community - today’s episode is for you. Our goal with this episode is to empower survivors! In it we’re sharing some lesser-known literary world tips and tricks that help you organize, plan, write, and even publish your non-fiction works. For example, did you know you don’t even need t
145: [Cesar Cardona] Healed People Heal People
Content Warning: neglect, miscarriage, gang violence, assault, physical violence, substance use disorder, and suicidal ideation. Cesar Cardona is a survivor, public speaker, and mindfulness educator living in Los Angeles, California. Cesar’s tumultuous youth first set him on a path of self-destruction. But after he faced a brutal, life-altering attack, Cesar found Buddhism and meditation as a mean
144: [JJ Comerford] 40 Years of Emotion // Part 2
Content Warning: pedophilia, religious abuse, physical abuse, rape, childhood sexual abuse, childhood sexual assault, child abuse, substance use disorder, professional abuse, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and suicide.JJ Comerford is an author, professional, former servicemember, and survivor from Australia. In these two episodes, J.J. rawly shares about the physical and sexual abuse he experienced
143: [JJ Comerford] A Toxic Environment // Part 1
Content Warning: pedophilia, religious abuse, physical abuse, rape, childhood sexual abuse, childhood sexual assault, child abuse, substance use disorder, professional abuse, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and suicide.JJ Comerford is an author, professional, former servicemember, and survivor from Australia. In these two episodes, J.J. rawly shares about the physical and sexual abuse he experienced
142: [Ti] Strong & Brave // Part 2
Content Warning: substance use disorder, suicidal ideation, assault, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, rape, stalking, human trafficking, sex trafficking, gun violence, and murder.Ti is an incredibly resilient multi-crime survivor from Madagascar. She first joined a dating app in her mid-20’s with the hope of finding the love of her life. She wasn’t expecting to be swept off her feet a
141: [Ti] Meant for a Better Life // Part 1
Content Warning: substance use disorder, suicidal ideation, suicide attempt, child abuse, chilhood sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, stalking, human trafficking, sex trafficking, domestic violence, and murder.Ti is an incredibly resilient multi-crime survivor from Madagascar. She first joined a dating app in her mid-20’s with the hope of finding the love of her life. She wasn’t expecting to be s
140: [Alison Duiker] A Reflection of My Mother
Content Warning: robbery, rape, domestic violence, domestic abuse, child abuse, missing persons, and suspected murder. Alison Duiker is an educator, author, mother, and survivor from Ohio. Her life was upended days before her fifth birthday when her mom, Lonene, went missing. Over the last forty-four years, Alison has worked diligently to bring awareness to her mother’s cold case, as well as to ma
139: [Debbie Riddle] Her Story Is Her Legacy // Part 2
Content Warning: vandalism, stalking, harassment, cyberstalking, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, arson, and murder. Debbie Riddle is a graphic designer, mother, wife, survivor of stalking, and co-victim of murder from Ohio. In these two episodes, Debbie shares about her role as big sister to Peggy, a shining light of the Klinke family. In 1998, as Peggy turned to higher academia to empower
138: [Debbie Riddle] A Relationship of Power & Control // Part 1
Content Warning: vandalism, stalking, harassment, cyberstalking, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, arson, and murder. Debbie Riddle is a graphic designer, mother, wife, survivor of stalking, and co-victim of murder from Ohio. In these two episodes, Debbie shares about her role as big sister to Peggy, a shining light of the Klinke family. In 1998, as Peggy turned to higher academia to empower
137: WCN Presents: [Jubilee] SWW S21 E9-12 Updates
Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, rape, sexual assault, stalking, religious abuse, and cultic abuse. Something Was Wrong Season 21 episodes 9 through 12 aired in August of 2024 and highlighted Jubilee's abusive experiences as a young new member of the Bethel Church. After receiving a prophecy from a church leader regarding her so-called destined relationship, she also
136: [Shawnee Baker] I Am Her Voice
Content warning: drug-facilitated sexual assault, human trafficking, and vehicular manslaughter.Shawnee Baker is a co-victim, mother of five, an author, non-profit organization founder, and nurse from Ontario, Canada. In this episode, Shawnee shares about her daughter Baylie, a bright, motivated college sophomore with hopes of becoming a neurologist. However, as Baylie’s second year of college beg
135: [Jenn Holman] There Is a Softer Life
Content Warning: infidelity, physical abuse, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, and murder.Jenn Holman is a survivor, mother, and faithful family woman living in Idaho by way of Southern California. Our paths first crossed over eighteen years ago, when she began dating my brother (whom she has chosen to address as Jesse in this episode, although I have referred to him as ‘Rory’ in the p
134: [Norma Buster] Full Circle
Content warning: suicidal ideation, suicide, image-based sexual abuse, coercion, intimate partner violence, and human trafficking. Norma Buster is a survivor, speaker, podcaster, and Chief of Staff at C.A. Goldberg Law, a Brooklyn-based victims rights law firm. Norma grew up with a passion for fashion, but after experiencing harassment and image-based sexual abuse at a pivotal point in her life, N
133: [Megan AKA Fallon] One Heck of a Journey
Content warning: coercion, blackmail, extortion, abduction, kidnapping, slavery, sociopathy, psychopathy, intimate partner violence, and attempted murder.Megan is a loving family woman, equestrian, and survivor of abduction and attempted slavery born in Southern California. Although Megan spent many of her younger years growing her love for horses at her family’s idyllic Colorado stable, her life
132: [Javier Leiva] Can’t Take My Foot off the Gas
*Content warning: harassment, cyberstalking, workplace abuse, sexual abuse material, sexual sadism, murder, and serial murder. Javier Leiva is a podcast host and Emmy award-winning producer. His show, Pretend Podcast, began airing in 2017 and highlights cases of fraud executed by perpetrators from cult leaders to con artists to undercover FBI agents. However, it was in June 2024 that Pretend's eig
131: [What Came Next] Q & A
Content warning: intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder.Join Amy B. Chesler for a new episode of 'Questions & Answers' regarding What Came Next, Broken Cycle Media, and more. Submit Your Story: https://somethingwaswrong.com/submissions/WCN on IG: https://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast/What Came Next featuring Hannah Vanderhorst: ht
130: [Haley Gray] Lifting of the Veil
Content warning: animal cruelty, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, cold cases, gun violence, and murder.Haley Gray is a credentialed victim advocate and podcast researcher, writer, and producer whose extensive career in podcasting has seen many phases. Over the last nine years, she has lent her skills to numerous well-known true crime podcasts with an ever-growing intent to make the t
129: [Bruce Bieber] Culture Eats Policy // Part 2
Content warning: gun violence, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder.As shared in part one of his story, Bruce Bieber is a retiree from New York who had an illustrious career in commercial construction. However, after retiring and moving to Florida to live minutes away from his three adult children, Bruce and his family would experience a horr
128: [Bruce Bieber] I Was the Uninitiated // Part 1
Content warning: gun violence, intimate partner violence, domestic violence, officer-involved domestic violence, and murder.Bruce Bieber is a retiree from New York who had an illustrious career in commercial construction. However, after retiring and moving to Florida to live minutes away from his three adult children, Bruce and his family would experience a horrific heartache: the murder of Bruce’
127: [Angelique Robledo] Listen to That Inner Voice // Part 2
Content warning: arson, assault, fetal abduction, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, substance use, and substance use disorder.As shared in part one, Angelique Robledo is an incredible mother and survivor living in Arizona. She was born in Southern California, but after a pivotal move nearly four hundred miles east in her middle school years, she found herself having trouble fitting in. Severa
126: [Angelique Robledo] Battling the Fear // Part 1
Content warning: arson, assault, fetal abduction, kidnapping, attempted murder, murder, substance use, and substance use disorder. Angelique Robledo is an incredible mother and survivor living in Arizona. She was born in Southern California, but after a pivotal move nearly four hundred miles east in her middle school years, she found herself having trouble fitting in. Several years later, and not
125: [Maya] In Living Mode
Content warning: robbery, armed robbery, gun violence, domestic violence, extortion, and corruption.Maya is a teacher, artist, and multi-crime survivor from Los Angeles. After finishing her undergraduate degree in Spanish in 1996 (at the age of 22), Maya found herself seeking direction. But it was only a couple months after her graduation that she experienced a life-changing armed robbery. Not lon
124: Ep. 52 [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 - 1/12/24
Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, suicide, sexual assault, rape, and sexual abuse.As shared in Episode 52 'What Happens Next // Part Two' (which originally aired on January 12th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach, and the current powerhouse executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an i
123: Ep. 51 [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 - 1/5/24
Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, sexual assault, rape, and sexual abuse.As shared in Episode 51 'Against Big Odds // Part 1' (which originally aired on January 5th, 2024), Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach and the current executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an im
122: [Survivors for Change] Sharing a Root System
Content warning: sexual abuse and child sexual abuse.It has been a great honor to host Mike Sacks and Kelly Gee on What Came Next prior to this conversation. Kelly first shared his experiences of abuse in episodes 51 and 52, entitled “Against Big Odds” and “What Happens Next,” which aired in January of 2024. Episodes 109 and 110, entitled “Silence is an Incubator” and “Up to Us to Protect,” were r
121: [Kim] It Ripples Out // Part 2
Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia. Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade
120: [Kim] There Were No Words // Part 1
Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia. Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade
119: [Hannah Vanderhorst] Change Will Occur // Part 2
Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography. As shared in part one of her story, Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October
118: [Hannah Vanderhorst] Something So Sinister // Part 1
Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography. Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory fo
117: [Joan Hoyt] A Danger to Society
Content warning: pedophilia, sexual sadism, paraphilia, psychopathy, brutality, child sexual abuse material, rape, sexual assault, torture, and murder. Joan Hoyt is a business professional and family woman from Santa Cruz, California. Although she has proudly served her county as a juror before, a 2024 jury duty assignment opened her eyes to the harsh realities of a criminal justice process she wo
116: [Victoria Latham] No Legal Precedent // Part 3
Content warning: fraud and professional abuse.As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder wa
115: [Victoria Latham] Who Do I Report This To? // Part 2
Content warning: fraud and professional abuse. As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder w
114: [Victoria Latham] The Balances Kept Rising // Part 1
Content warning: fraud, professional abuse, child sexual abuse material, and gun violence. Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its f
113: [Kiersten Hathcock] Shame Heaped Upon Survivors // Part 2
Content warning: substance abuse disorder, lethal substance consumption, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, childhood sexual abuse, sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, pedophilia, murder, and mediumship.As shared in part one of her story, Kiersten Hathcock is a multi-crime survivor, self-taught carpenter, entrepreneur, author, volunteer intuitive medium, and co-founder of the non-profit
112: [Kiersten Hathcock] What I'm Here to Do // Part 1
Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, childhood sexual abuse, sexual abuse, rape, statutory rape, pedophilia, murder, and mediumship.Kiersten Hathcock is a multi-crime survivor, self-taught carpenter, entrepreneur, author, volunteer intuitive medium, and co-founder of the non-profit organization, The National Institute of Law and Justice. Although she was born and raised i
111: [Liz Iacuzzi] Do Not Let It Dim Your Flame
Content warning: domestic violence, intimate partner violence, narcissistic abuse, cultic abuse, cults, and sexual abuse.Liz Iacuzzi is an athlete, writer, performer, and personality who focuses on exploring uncomfortable subject matter through comedy. However, it wasn’t until extricating herself from an acting class-turned-cult that she would eventually discover her next passion: educating the m
