Point of Relation with Thomas Huebl
Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Huebl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.
Episodes
Harnessing Your Energetic Potential
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on what fuels your life energy and how this connects to your spiritual health and sense of purpose.Thomas focuses in on the idea of interdependence, or interconnectedness, and how your vitality is dependent on relational dynamics, co-regulation, and collective wellness.He explores healing modalities and spiritual practices that can recharge your energetic batter
Initiation, Awakening, and Transcendence
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on becoming grounded to integrate ancestral wisdom and initiate yourself into the digital age in a spiritually centered and holistic way.He explores the perspective shifts that occur in both healing and spiritual awakening, and how we can harness this transformative power to heal collectively and evolve technologically without abandoning spiritual connection.Tho
Ashanti Kunene | Spiritually Embodied Leadership
This week, Thomas sits down with Ashanti Kunene, an activist, slam poet, writer, and the founder of Learning 2 Unlearn, for a conversation about spiritual alignment and integrity in leadership and the connection between individual healing and systems change.In a time when we’re all faced with the repercussions of intergenerational trauma, oppressive systems, and unethical leadership, those of us w
Michael Meade | The Courageous Path of the Heart
This week, Thomas sits down with mythologist Michael Meade for a conversation about initiations, awakenings, and how to access your innate gifts to be a transformative force in a world in crisis.Michael shares about his formative experience as a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, and how the confinement, isolation, and trauma that he endured informed his spiritual development and life
Kaira Jewel Lingo | Reconnecting to Nature, Spirit, and Presence
This week, Thomas sits down with Dharma teacher and author Kaira Jewel Lingo to explore how we can heal our deeply fractured relationship with the Earth and break out of the modern digital trance.Kaira shares her unique experience of transitioning out of monastic life as a nun and back into a fast-paced digital world. This experience gave her a unique perspective on how technology consumes our att
Creating Inner Space for Change
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on creating conscious inner spaciousness to process life’s challenges and use them as engines for personal and spiritual growth.By opening up space for a larger “cup” to hold our wounds and traumas, we can address and understand them without being defined by them. Having this space also allows us to shift from a state of habitual, past-focused attention to one o
Zubaida Bai | Engineering an End to Poverty and Patriarchy
This week, Thomas sits down with the CEO of the Grameen Foundation, Zubaida Bai, for an inspiring conversation about amplifying oppressed voices, economically empowering women, and creating cultural and systemic changes to end poverty.Zubaida has spent decades working within impoverished communities across the globe to create adaptive, localized strategies to change outdated attitudes, make childb
Unlocking Purpose Through Presence
This week, Thomas explores how to connect with your deepest purpose and uncover your ‘karmic blueprint’ through embodied presence and contemplative practices.He shares how purpose is not an external object to be found, but an internal truth that’s revealed by working through life’s challenges, healing your individual wounds, and integrating the wounds of those who came before you.When we learn to
Best Of: Spirituality and Mysticism
This week, we’re releasing our 200TH EPISODE! To celebrate this milestone, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on spirituality and mysticism.You’ll hear from Thomas and acclaimed guests with backgrounds in meditation, Buddhism, neuroscience, philosophy, poetry, and Indigenous African spirituality, including: Andrea Gibson, Bayo Akomolafe, Dr. Lisa Mi
Healing the Shadow Trauma of Transgression with Matthew Green
This week, Thomas sits down with journalist Matthew Green to explore the hidden effects of “shadow trauma” and what it takes to heal and repair after acting against your own ethics.From personal missteps to moral injury to ancestral and historical trauma, we all carry the weight of transgression. But often, the shame that accompanies this holds us back from integration and healing.Thomas and Matth
Emergence and Interconnectedness
This week, Thomas explores how the phenomenon of emergence occurs when we stop trying to escape into a "better" future and instead drop deeply into the present moment.He posits that growth occurs when we stop treating the world as an external object and instead recognize our inherent oneness with the global ecosystem… and that this perception shift is fundamental to all forms of healing.As Thomas
Iya Affo | Uncovering the Hidden Layers of Healing
This week, Thomas sits down with historical trauma specialist Iya Affo for a deep conversation on how to navigate a dysregulated world and the cyclical nature of trauma healing.They share wisdom on how to tread the non-linear path of both individual and collective healing, exploring how to peel back the layers in the healing process, how to find healing modalities that work for you, and the nuance
Dr. Ruth Lanius | The Brain Body Connection in Trauma Healing
This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Ruth Lanius, a renowned clinical researcher and psychiatry professor, for a fascinating discussion on the neuroscience of trauma healing and the critical link between the brain’s physical balance system and our emotional safety and stability.Dr. Lanius shares groundbreaking brain-imaging research revealing how trauma creates a profound brain-body disconnect, an
The Interdependent Ecosystem of Health
This week, Thomas explores how true health and healing come from an alignment across the full spectrum of your being: body, mind, emotions, relationships, environment, and spirit.He shares the importance of embracing an integrated and holistic approach to health so we can be more regulated as we deal with the stresses of modern life and recognize our relational wellbeing as an extension of our imm
Expanding the Map of Collective Healing with Kosha Joubert
This week, Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert, a longtime collaborator and the CEO of the Pocket Project, for a conversation exploring the global architecture of collective healing and how we can expand beyond the lens of individual therapy to address deeply rooted collective and ancestral trauma.With their combined years of experience working in trauma-informed care, leadership, and global heali
Healing Through Unfiltered Awareness
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on awareness and perception, exploring how we can shift the way we understand our healing journey, spiritual practices, and each other.It starts with recognizing the lenses that filter the information we receive and how they’re shaped by personal and collective trauma. Thomas shares spiritual and meditative practices that can help open these lenses, allowing us
Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining) | Indigenous Teachings on the Sacred Feminine and Masculine
This week, Thomas sits down with Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining), an Indigenous leader, speaker, teacher, and global ceremonialist, for a conversation exploring Indigenous perspectives on gender through the concepts of the Men’s Nation and Women’s Nation.Pat shares Diné and Lakota wisdom on the spiritual aspect of gender roles and biology, and how the specific process of what some cultures refer
Best Of: Healing in Relationships, with Thomas, Dr. Terry Real, Esther Perel & Dr. Shefali
This week, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on the incredible power and unique challenges of healing in relationships.You’ll hear from Thomas and expert guests with backgrounds in couples therapy, trauma healing, and parenting, including: Couples therapist and bestselling author Dr. Terry Real, world-renowned therapist, author, and speaker Esther
The Energy of Life and the Movement of The Soul
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how to harness the energy and spiritual vitality of life into movement, growth, and healing–even (or especially) when you feel stuck or stagnant.When we’re hurt or traumatized, we might suppress our energy because it’s easier to feel numb and disconnected than to be present with overwhelming feelings. Thomas shares insights on how to move back into an energet
Dr. Rick Hanson & Forrest Hanson | Deepening Connections in Our Family Systems
This week, Thomas sits down for a touching conversation on navigating the complex dynamics of parent-child relationships with father-and-son duo, Rick and Forrest Hanson.In this intimate interview, Rick, a renowned psychologist and author, and Forrest, author and host of the “Being Well” podcast, share their unique and personal perspectives on healthy power dynamics, children’s autonomy, identity
Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | The Bravery of Curiosity in Trauma Healing
This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and author Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, for a conversation on the importance of curiosity in trauma healing, the difficult necessity of turning towards pain, and how to “compost” our wounds into fertile soil for inner growth.They discuss how to shift away from the isolation that trauma creates and lean into connection, empathy, and sha
The Spiritual Practice of Setting Boundaries
This week, Thomas shares a teaching that explores boundary setting as a deep spiritual practice that allows us to embody our authentic inner experience. When we define and share our boundaries, we’re not creating walls to shut others out; we’re engaging in a fluid dance that acknowledges our pain, creates safety, and actually helps us become less rigid and defensive.Thomas discusses why it’s so di
Meditating Into the Heart with Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders
This week, Thomas sits down with meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders for a deep exploration of heart-centered meditation, moving beyond the physical heart to uncover its emotional, energetic, and spiritual layers.Discover why your emotional defenses, aka the "guardians of the heart", are an intelligent part of your healing journey, and how vulnerability leads to deeper conn
Amy Elizabeth Fox | A Trauma-Informed Paradigm for Leadership, Coaching, and Consulting
This week, Thomas sits down with the CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, Amy Elizabeth Fox, for a conversation about bringing trauma-informed wisdom and embodied presence into leadership, organizations, coaching, and consulting work.They discuss how traditional coaching and leadership development are inadequate for increasingly chaotic times, where unresolved personal and collective trauma create
Bayo Akomolafe, PhD | Mapping New Realities
This week, Thomas sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author, Bayo Akomolafe, for a philosophical and spiritual exploration into how we understand reality and the radical perception shifts and awakenings that are necessary for true social transformation to become possible.In his uniquely poetic way, Bayo interrogates traditional solutions to social and ecolo
Cheryl Strayed | Writing the Story of Your Healing
This week, Thomas sits down with speaker and renowned author of “Wild,” Cheryl Strayed, for a conversation on the profound healing power of writing and creating, the catharsis of truth-telling, and the importance of physical embodiment in trauma recovery.Cheryl shares how grief and trauma left her feeling isolated, and describes her difficult but meaningful journey to healing through community con
An Ethical Path to Awakening and Healing with Matthew Green
This week, Thomas sits down with one of our favorite frequent guests; journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, to explore the profound synergy between spiritual awakening, ethical living, and trauma healing, and how these pursuits converge on the journey of life.They discuss how the "social mirror" of community helps us integrate spiritual insights, why i
Pico Iyer | The Alchemy of Stillness
This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed essayist, author, and speaker Pico Iyer to discuss travel and writing as meditative practices, the spiritual power of stillness and quiet, and how creative work generates a sense of agency in a chaotic world.Pico shares incredible anecdotes from his international travels, many monastic retreats, decades of journeys with the Dalai Lama, and intimate time s
Intimacy With Your Inner World
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on how to become intimate with your authentic inner self, what causes us to distance ourselves from presence and self-acceptance, and why it’s actually counterproductive to strive towards an “ideal” or “perfect” self.Tune in for a spiritual perspective on understanding your triggers, embracing discomfort, and transforming stagnation into opportunity for new choi
Jack Kornfield | Stories of Transformation
This week, Thomas sits down with beloved spiritual teacher and author Jack Kornfield to explore the important and often undervalued spiritual role of the elder, the transformative power of storytelling, and why we should approach our own suffering with love instead of fear.Jack shares some beautiful, poignant stories from his new book, All in This Together, that illustrate how small acts of compas
john a. powell | Othering and Belonging
This week, Thomas sits down with law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, john a. powell, for a deep examination of humans’ tendency to become divided, and how the narratives we construct around fearing other groups are actually a symptom of our fundamental drive for connection. They explore how our capacity for connection and community, driven by culture and storytellin
Becoming Mature Global Citizens with Matthew Green
This week, Thomas is joined once again by journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a conversation exploring the idea of “global acupuncture.” So what is global acupuncture?It’s an approach to collective global healing that leverages our power as connected, social beings to skillfully address the roots of collective trauma at the most critical pressure
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The Art of Transparent Communication [From the Archive]
This week, we revisit an early episode where Thomas explores the concept of Transparent Communication, a practice that creates an open and grounded relational space where constructive and creative communication can occur. He explains that this form of communication combines the interconnected data streams of cognitive, emotional, and physical information that are always present in any conversation
Accessing Deeper States of Meditation with Susanne Ahlendorf & Martin Bruders
This week, Thomas is joined once again by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a conversation that unpacks both elemental and complex elements of the practice of meditation.They break down the most essential spiritual components of meditation and how we can apply them to our own practice, at any experience level. Thomas shares in
Ross Gay | The Poetry of Joy and Connection
This week, Thomas sits down with acclaimed poet and author Ross Gay for a conversation on the intrinsic link between joy and sorrow, and the importance of finding delight in a world where doing so feels increasingly difficult.Ross’ work is focused on finding joy through human connection, from kinship and ancestry to the profound and powerful connection we feel when we help each other carry our sor
Kyle Dietrich | The Sacredness of Service
This week, Thomas sits down with Kyle Dietrich, a trauma-informed leadership coach and the founder of Grounded Idealist, for a hopeful conversation about how personal and global crises can spark radical transformation, and how we can build a supportive healing architecture for service workers, healers, parents, and anyone committed to bettering our world.They explore the crucial link between inner
Dr. Richard Schwartz | Expanding the Map of Healing
This week, Thomas is joined once again by the founder of Internal Family Systems, Dr. Richard Schwartz, for a deep exploration of how we can integrate collective trauma work into our daily lives, relationships, and communities.Combining wisdom from psychology and spiritual traditions, they discuss fresh insights on creating a holistic healing framework for modern times that expands our traditional
Listener Q&A With Thomas & Matthew Green
This week, Thomas sits down with journalist and co-host of the “What is Collective Healing?” podcast, Matthew Green, for a special episode to answer questions from our community of listeners.They discuss how we can recognize when we’re carrying unresolved trauma from the past, how we can support our children’s healing while honoring ancestral trauma, and what questions we need to ask ourselves as
Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Transforming Fear Into Curiosity
How can joy and curiosity help us navigate the most difficult times in our lives?This week, Thomas is joined once again by Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, a trauma researcher, life coach, and author, to explore how curiosity and imagination are some of our most important and most trainable tools when we’re facing relational conflicts, traumatic experiences, grief and loss, and anxiety inducing news cy
Bonus: The Mysticism of Light
Feeling disconnected or stuck? In this short teaching from Thomas, you’ll learn how to tap into an embodied awareness of your inner light and channel the higher consciousness of your soul to unlock creativity, innovation, and direction for your future.This deep session offers guidance on refining your inner world to listen for the subtle stream of future insights, bringing needed updates and makin
Dr. Richard Schwartz | Healing Collective Ancestral Burdens
This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Richard Schwartz, the founder of Internal Family Systems, for an in-depth discussion on the power of healing in groups, intergenerational and ancestral trauma healing, and the relationship between therapy and spirituality—all topics that are featured in their forthcoming book; Releasing Our Burdens: A Guide to Healing Individual, Ancestral, and Collective Traum
Jack Kornfield | Finding Your Self on the Spiritual Path
This week, Thomas sits down with writer, trained Buddhist monk, and meditation teacher, Jack Kornfield, for a conversation about the twists and turns on the spiritual path and the quest for a defined identity. Drawing on hard-won expertise, they dissect spiritual bypassing, embrace the necessity of disillusionment, and share rituals and practices to help you reclaim the sacred.Both teachers have e
Iya Affo | Ancestral Healing and Indigenous Wisdom
Trauma may be passed down through generations, but so are healing, benevolence, and spiritual guidance.This week, Thomas sits down with Iya Affo, an international speaker and the founder of Heal Historical Trauma, to discuss ancestral trauma and wisdom, Indigenous healing traditions, and collective resilience.Iya shares her personal journey of healing and connecting with her cultural identity, sha
Bonus: The Turning Point of Now
Thomas shares a short teaching on how we can work together to navigate global crises, identify areas of unaddressed collective trauma, and transform outdated social structures with more emergent, creative, compassionate movements.In order for humanity to move into the next stage of development, we must address the frozen wounds of our past in order to stop repeating the same mistakes. Thomas explo
Freedom, Wholeness, and Healing Through Integration
This week, Thomas shares a teaching on trauma healing, ego integration, and embodied trust. Through the lens of traditional spiritual practices and the Tao Te Ching, he explores how trauma disconnects us from inner coherence, and why it’s important to understand and accept the intelligence of our defense patterns instead of simply trying to get rid of them.He also shares a unique perspective on tr
Serene Thin Elk | Connecting to Our Spiritual Ancestral Lineage
Can connecting with our ancestors help us see the sacredness in moments of deep crisis and grief?This week, Thomas sits down with Serene Thin Elk, a Lakota/ Dakota mental health and addiction therapist and speaker, for a vulnerable and moving conversation on ancestral healing, intergenerational trauma, grief, and collective wisdom.Serene shares her journey, driven by a need to understand her own a
Soren Gordhamer | Spiritually-Informed Technology
Will human wisdom ever be able to match the progress of technology?This week, Thomas is joined by Soren Gordhamer, the founder of Wisdom 2.0, for a deep dive into spiritual consciousness, technology, and how we can hold on to what’s most essential in life as we face the complex challenges of the digital age.As humans experience unprecedented levels of global connection, we’re also facing a crisis
Becoming an Ally of Life
Are you truly existing in the world, or are you trying to escape it?This week, Thomas shares an exploration into personal and societal evolution. It all begins with creating an inner spaciousness from which we can engage with the world with embodied presence, even when it’s difficult and uncomfortable.This teaching invites you to see challenges as gateways for transformation where innovation can e
Bonus Preview: john a. powell at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025
“Our history is not a history of divide. Our history is a history of coming together in greater and greater numbers.” - john a. powellIn this special bonus episode, Thomas sits down with john a. powell, law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, to investigate the root causes and social function of “othering.”Humans are wired for connection, and according to john, othering
Pádraig Ó Tuama | Healing Spiritual Trauma
Can creative expression help us return to ourselves after we’ve experienced spiritual trauma?This week, Thomas sits down with Pádraig Ó Tuama, a distinguished Irish Poet, theologian, and host of the podcast Poetry Unbound, for a profound exploration of spiritual trauma. Pádraig shares about the specific heartbreak of being betrayed by a spiritual community, drawing from his own intense experiences
Rae Riedel | Harnessing the Power of Your Breath
Can you change your consciousness by changing the way that you breathe?This week, Thomas is joined by Rae Riedel, the co-founder, primary educator, and facilitator trainer of Integrative Breath. She’s also a senior student of Thomas’, having trained with him for over 13 years. Their conversation deeply explores the transformative power of breath work, bridging ancient mystical traditions with cutt
Embracing the Unknown on the Spiritual Path
The beauty of the spiritual path lies in not having a fixed destination.This week, Thomas Hübl shares a teaching that opens us to a different mode of knowing—one that is emergent, direct, and arises from surrendering to its flow rather than attempting to control it.Tune in for a radical redefinition of the spiritual journey and learn how to embrace your unique agency in co-creating reality, refine
Esther Perel & Jack Saul | Relational Healing to Transform Trauma
This week, we’re revisiting Thomas’ conversation with Esther Perel, a renowned psychotherapist, NYT bestselling author, and host of the podcast “Where Should We Begin?” They’re also joined by her husband, Jack Saul, an artist, author, and psychologist. It’s a deep discussion on working with trauma survivors, the healing power of creativity, and addressing the impacts of intergenerational trauma in
Unifying Science and Spirituality
Can we create more richness and harmony in our lives by synthesizing scientific and spiritual ways of knowing?This week, Thomas shares his thoughts on this question and explains how bridging this divide into a unified understanding of reality might be the key to unlocking the full spectrum of human experience and intelligence.Tune in to explore how trauma creates a false sense of separation betwee
Bonus Preview: Pico Iyer at the 2025 Collective Trauma Summit
Today, we’re sharing an excerpt from Thomas’ conversation with acclaimed travel writer, author, and speaker Pico Iyer at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. Pico’s extensive travels and journeys into the realms of Buddhism and meditation have deeply inspired and informed his creative process. They also brought him into close contact with another artist and meditation practitioner, the lege
Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders | Trauma-Informed Meditation
A deep meditation practice doesn’t help you bypass your problems; it helps you move through them with presence and embodied awareness.This week, Thomas is joined by his dear friends, longtime students, and meditation instructors Susanne Ahlendorf and Martin Bruders, for a deep dive into the healing power of meditation and how to integrate your meditation practice into every moment of your life.Lea
Francis Weller | Embracing the Wisdom of Grief
How does crossing the threshold of grief open the gateway to other potent emotions?In part two of their conversation on grief, healing, and social transformation, Thomas and Francis Weller discuss what it means to become an apprentice to grief, how communal healing leads to individual and social maturity, and why it’s so important to lean into our interconnectedness when times are tough.Explore wh
Bonus Preview: Cheryl Strayed at the Collective Trauma Summit
Bestselling author Cheryl Strayed believes that writing your truth can set you free.Today we’re sharing an excerpt from her conversation with Thomas at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. In it, she shares about a profound healing act that helped her process deep grief and trauma…writing. More specifically, the way that writing demands raw honesty and vulnerability, revealing our deepest truths
Francis Weller | Grief Rituals and Soul Hygiene
What if opening yourself to grief could actually help you feel more alive?This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist Francis Weller for a powerful conversation about befriending grief, embracing healing rituals in collective spaces, and the power of the past to transform the future.It’s so common for people in pain to turn away from it, to avoid their grief and sor
Dr. Terry Real | Daring to Embrace Intimacy in a Fractured World
Have you ever pulled away from someone you love—not because you didn’t care, but because closeness felt too painful?This week, Thomas is joined by renowned couples therapy expert Dr. Terry Real for a conversation on how trauma affects our relationships with ourselves, our intimate partners, and the world at large—and how we can heal those wounds.Intimacy isn’t just something you share with other p
Bonus Replay: Andrea Gibson | Befriending Mortality
To honor the life of beloved poet and beautiful human being Andrea Gibson, we're sharing their episode of the podcast again. Andrea's work, energy, vulnerability, and exceptional passion for life were inspiring for all of us on the Point of Relation team, and we were so sad to hear of their recent passing. In this conversation with Thomas, Andrea speaks from the heart about courageously embracing
Amandine Roche | Inner Peace for Collective Healing
Can healing yourself really help heal the world?This week, Thomas sits down with Amandine Roche, a human rights and women’s empowerment expert with more than 20 years of experience with the United Nations and European Union. Amandine’s extensive work in conflict zones worldwide was driven by a deep, personal quest for healing from childhood trauma. But the work itself took a toll on her mental and
Bonus: Aligning Your Words and Your Energy
Do your words always match your inner truth?In this short teaching, Thomas Hübl shares simple but effective practices to help you tune in to your own energy with presence and clarity so that you can express yourself with genuine intention. This type of energetic alignment is a powerful way to connect with your creative potential and express yourself with full embodiment.It’s also a way to transfor
The Great Detox
What happens when we see our individual struggles reflected in humanity’s collective crises? How does our individual healing create collective healing?This week, Thomas shares why we need to unearth the trauma that’s deeply entrenched in our societies and cultures so that it can be processed, integrated, and transformed into growth. We may be familiar with this process in our own healing journey—n
Dr. Judith Lewis Herman | Understanding Complex PTSD
“For complex PTSD, you have to establish a relationship. And only after trust has been established can you do the trauma-focused work.”This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Judith Lewis Herman, an author and senior lecturer in psychiatry and Harvard Medical School, to explore her groundbreaking work on the psychology and social and cultural aspects of Complex PTSD, or CPTSD. Unlike the better-known
Karma and the Movement of the Soul
Are you tired of life feeling heavy, stuck in repetitive patterns dictated by the past? This week, Thomas explores the revolutionary idea that life is a fluid, rewritable process. Discover how awakening to the Kundalini stream connects you to the ever-present flow of creation, allowing you to redefine existence by its pure presence, not a chain of cause and effect. This journey is a cont
Marco Lambertini | Reconnecting With Nature…Before it’s Too Late
“Nature positive is people positive. Without harmony with nature, there won't be a bright future for people.”https://pointofrelationpodcast.com/podcast/marco-lambertini-reconnecting-with-naturebefore-its-too-late/This week, Thomas Hübl sits down with Marco Lambertini, the Convener of the Nature Positive Initiative, to explore humanity's deep, inherent connection to nature, what’s at stake if clima
Elise Loehnen | Finding Connection in Crisis and Conflict
Can we approach discomfort and tension as opportunities for growth? Can humanity mature beyond divisive conflict?This week, Thomas is joined by much loved returning guest, NYT bestselling author, and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen, to hash out the concerning fragmentation that feels inescapable right now and explore what we can do to combat it.As we face past and curren
BONUS: The Mysticism of Space
Thomas explores the foundational spiritual building blocks of life, with a particular focus on the concept of space. More than just a void that we occupy physically, space is a key element of life that we co-create. And we need space—for reflection, digestion, integration, and nervous system regulation.Get a bigger picture perspective on your spiritual journey and learn essential tools for connect
Dr. Stephen Porges | Safety, Connection, and Polyvagal Theory
What is Polyvagal Theory and how does it explain the science of feelings?This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Stephen Porges, a professor, author, and the originator of Polyvagal Theory.Dr. Porges’ theory offers radical yet practical methods for calming our physical (or “biobehavioral”) states so that our mind can follow suit. Traditionally, the opposite approach has been the norm, but research in
Embodying the Light of the Soul
“The person doesn't have a soul, the soul has a person.”This week, Thomas goes deep in a spiritual teaching that explores the essence of the soul—an energy field that enfolds our consciousness and our life and is fundamentally connected to the collective and the planet. Through embodied spiritual practice, we can become spacious enough to let in divine light, ground it in the physical world,
Dr. Roger Walsh | Attuning to Our Inner Wisdom
Can humanity’s ethical and spiritual maturity catch up to our technological progress? Or will this gap in development lead to catastrophe?To explore our collective path forward, Thomas sits down with Dr. Roger Walsh, a Professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology, and the host of the Deep Transformation podcast. Their conversation mines the depths of our inner worlds, finding hope in the
Kosha Joubert | Global Social Witnessing
What if there was a practice that helped us collectively witness and digest world events without becoming overwhelmed, indifferent, or numb? What if this practice could lead to new levels of collective healing?Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert to discuss this revolutionary practice, called Global Social Witnessing. Kosha is the CEO of the Pocket Project, a non-profit organization co-founded by T
BONUS: Connecting to the Heart
In this teaching, Thomas Hubl focuses on the heart as not just a physical organ but a central hub for emotional maturity, spiritual development, mind-body integration, and connection to universal intelligence.He offers a guided contemplative practice to lead you into the depth of your heart space so that you can listen deeper to your own truths, integrate mind and body, become a deeper listener fo
Lama Rod Owens | Collective Liberation and Spiritual Healing
Can we metabolize our pain to create an entry point into liberation? How can spirituality support us in this process?This week, Thomas sits down with Buddhist minister, author, and activist Lama Rod Owens to share visions for collective liberation, the importance of reconnecting with Indigenous worldviews, sacred ecology, and unseen worlds, and strategies to overcome hopelessness and despair as we
Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald | Finding Joy After Pain
Trauma makes it difficult to feel joy, but you CAN experience it again, even if you’re in the early stages of your healing journey.This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of Unbroken and The Joy Reset, Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald, to redefine joy, examine how trauma steals it from us, and explore how we can learn to let it into our lives again.Dr. McDonald has
Resilient Presence
Thomas explores a holistic, interdependent approach to well-being to help us navigate uncertainty, manage stress, and become a source of stability for ourselves and those around us.In times of global uncertainty, it’s essential that we come together—to pause, reflect, and reconnect. Thomas shares insights and practices to support us in cultivating the inner resilience needed to meet life’s challen
Dr. Terry Real | Healing Intergenerational Trauma Through Our Relationships
Thomas is joined by Terry Real, an acclaimed family therapist, bestselling author, and the founder of The Relational Life Institute. Terry shares insights from his years of work with couples and families struggling to repair their relationships, and how practicing what he calls “Relational Mindfulness” is a game-changer for anyone whose past traumas are negatively impacting their current connectio
Debbie Levin | Green Media and Personal Environmentalism
Thomas is joined by Debbie Levin, CEO of the Environmental Media Association, to discuss the role of media in shaping sustainability consciousness and how to effectively communicate about environmental issues.Debbie shares the importance of being gracious and non-judgmental when sharing knowledge on how to live a healthy, clean, and sustainable life. She explains how her organization has successfu
BONUS: Humanity's Healing Orchestra
Thomas explores the qualities of leadership and collaboration that are needed to heal collective trauma. He shares how each of us plays a unique role—like musicians in an orchestra—contributing our distinct talents to a larger symphony of healing and transformation. Thomas addresses the impact of fear-based systems rooted in hierarchical power and advocates for shifting toward creative, relational
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