Typology
Who are we? Why do we act, think and feel the way we do? How can we become our best, most authentic selves? Welcome to Typology, a podcast that explores the mystery of the human personality and how we can use the Enneagram typing system as a tool to become our best, most authentic selves. Hosted by author, speaker and counselor, Ian Morgan Cron, Typology features interviews with thought leaders from every sphere of life, including renowned Enneagram authors and teachers, psychologists, theologians, artists, business leaders, neuroscientists, philosophers, and more. In other words, we'll be talking with people who are trying to become the best version of themselves in the world.
Episodes
The Long Arc of Forgiveness with Wm. Paul Young
Wm. Paul Young returns to Typology for a wide-ranging conversation about forgiveness, redemption, regret, grief, and hope. Paul shares what he's learned from his friendships with men on death row, the surprising story of how he came to release expectations of his father, and why forgiveness and reconciliation aren't the same thing. We also talk about forgiving ourselves, having "sorrow days," stay
You Are Here: Love, Restraint, and the State of Your Heart with Drs. Les & Leslie Parrott (Type 8 and 2)
This week I sat down with Drs. Les and Leslie Parrott, an Enneagram Eight and Two who have been married for more than forty years, for a fun and personal conversation about love, mental health, and self-awareness. We talked honestly about what it actually takes to stay curious, connected, and growing in our relationships. And, we explored the ways our best qualities can sometimes get distorted, wh
The Missing Key to Intimacy: Learning to Be Known with Suzanne Dion
What if intimacy with another person begins with learning how to be intimate with yourself? Ian talks with Enneagram teacher and transformational coach Suzanne Dion, co-author with the late Dr. David Daniels of The Enneagram: Relationships and Intimacy, about vulnerability, self-acceptance, defense mechanisms, and the ways our personality patterns can keep us disconnected from ourselves and the pe
Parenting Teens Through the Lens of the Enneagram, feat. Ainsley Britain (REVISIT)
What if you had learned the Enneagram when you were a teenager? In this replay of my conversation with Ainsley Britton, author of The Enneagram for Teens, we explore what self-awareness can look like during adolescence and how parents can use the Enneagram without turning it into another way of labeling or controlling their kids. Ainsley and I talk about why she believes teenagers can benefit from
From the NFL to the Pulpit: Derwin Gray on Forgiveness, Fear, and Finding Your Father
There's a particular kind of loneliness that comes from caring about something before anyone else in the room does. My guest today knows that loneliness intimately. Rev. Dr. Derwin L. Gray played in the NFL before founding Transformation Church in 2010. He's also an Enneagram Eight — and in this conversation, we get into what it actually feels like to live inside that number: the passion that gets
The Spark Three: Stephanie Barron Hall on Chemistry, Performance, and the Search for Self
What happens when a Three stops performing and starts telling the truth, even to herself? Anthony and I sat down with Stephanie Barron Hall, author of Enneagram in Real Life and host of the Enneagram in Real Life podcast, for a conversation that starts with instinctual stacking and ends up somewhere much deeper. Steph, a sexual (or what she calls a "spark") dominant Three, unpacks how the sexual i
The Secure Soul: Dr. Alison Cook on Learning to Trust Yourself, Others, and God
Dr. Alison Cook, bestselling author of Boundaries for Your Soul, returns to Typology to talk about her new book, The Secure Soul: Finding Inner Strength and Connection When Trust Doesn't Come Easy. Alison is candid about her own lifelong wrestle with insecurity as an Enneagram Three, and we dig into two of her book's central characters: the controller, the part of us trying to earn love by managin
Mistyping, Subtypes, and the Long Road to Finding Your Real Number — with Beatrice Chestnut
What happens when the type you've claimed for years turns out to be wrong? Today, I sit down with returning guest Beatrice Chestnut — Enneagram teacher, author, and co-founder of the Chestnut Paes Enneagram Academy — for a wide-ranging conversation on one of the most common (and most human) struggles in Enneagram work: mistyping. We dig into why mistyping happens, how to hold a hypothesis about so
When Certainty Collapses: Chasing Francis – Chapter One
True spiritual transformation often begins at the exact moment our old answers stop working. This week, I'm sharing Chapter One of my newly revised novel, Chasing Francis: A Pilgrim's Tale. We follow Chase Falson, a megachurch pastor whose public confession of lost faith triggers an unexpected journey of the heart. While Chase's story is fictional, his hunger for something authentic mirrors my
Enneagram Essentials: Passion and Virtue
Most Enneagram teaching is very good at describing what's wrong with you. This episode is about what's right. Every Enneagram type has a Passion — the chief emotional distortion the ego runs when it's disconnected from its truest self. Anger for the One. Pride for the Two. Deceit for the Three. Each of the nine types has one, and most of us have spent a lot of energy trying to manage ours without
Enneagram Essentials: Subtypes
When you combine an Enneagram type with a dominant instinct, you get a subtype — and there are 27 of them. This is the level at which most people finally, fully recognize themselves in the Enneagram. Not at the type level, not at the instinct level, but here — where the two come together into something precise enough to actually fit. In this episode, Anthony and I walk through what subtypes are, w
Enneagram Essentials: Instincts
Here's something I've noticed after years of teaching the Enneagram: there's usually a moment when someone who knows their type well suddenly encounters something that doesn't fit. A behavior they can't explain. A pattern that seems to contradict everything their type is supposed to do. More often than not, the answer lives in the instincts. In this episode — Episode 3 of our Enneagram Essentials
Enneagram Essentials: Basic Fears
Most people who know the Enneagram know their type. Fewer know their Basic Fear. And even fewer have sat with it long enough to understand why knowing your basic fear is so important. In this episode — the second in our Enneagram Essentials series — Anthony and I go beneath the type descriptions and into the motivational core of the system: the nine Basic Fears and their counterparts, the nine Bas
Enneagram Essentials: You Asked, We Answered
After nine seasons of Typology, Anthony and I thought we should revisit some of the basics. This is the first episode of a five-part series we're calling Enneagram Essentials. Think of today as the front door — we cover the ground every listener needs, from how to find your type to how the Enneagram works in relationships, in faith, and in seasons of genuine suffering. Then, in Episodes 2 throug
Good Boundaries and Goodbyes: Lysa Terkeurst exemplifies a Nine Who's Done the Work
There's a particular kind of courage it takes for a Nine to write a book called Good Boundaries and Goodbyes — and Lysa TerKeurst has earned every word of it. Join us as we revisit Ian's conversation with the New York Times bestselling author to explore what it actually looks like to wake up from the Nine's trance of self-forgetting, find your voice, and learn to hold the line with compassion an
Replay: Raising Kids Who Want to Come Home with Andy & Sandra Stanley
What does it mean to "get it right" as a parent? Not perfectly. Not without regret. Not with some airtight system that guarantees your children will become exactly who you hoped they'd be. But with intention. With humility. With the long view in mind. In this replay episode of Typology, I sit down with Andy and Sandra Stanley—both Enneagram Ones—to talk about their book, Parenting: Getting It Righ
Mailbag: Trauma & Type, Subtypes, Wings, and How We Grieve
We're going back into the vault for one of our most popular mailbag episodes from Season 3 — and the questions are just as good as we remembered. In this episode, Ian and co-host Anthony Skinner answer listener questions on some of the Enneagram's most nuanced and personal territory: Can trauma actually change your type? What is the "sunny Four," and why do subtypes matter so much for Fours and Si
The Way You Communicate Is Costing You Connection | Jason VanRuler
What if the reason your closest relationships feel stuck isn't about how much you care — but about how differently you and the people you love communicate? Today, I sit down with Jason VanRuler, therapist, Enneagram Two, and author of Discovering Your Communication Type: The 5 Paths to Deeper Connection and Stronger Relationships, as he introduces us to his P.A.T.H.S. framework — five communicatio
Healing the Success Wound: Enneagram 3, Work Addiction, and the Path to Aligned Ambition with Brooke Taylor
What if the very thing driving your success is quietly breaking you? Brooke Taylor, Enneagram Three, career coach, and author of Healing the Success Wound, joins me for a searingly honest conversation about achievement, identity, and spiritual hunger.. Brooke grew up in Silicon Valley where worth was measured in gold stars, landed at Google by her early twenties, and found herself drowning in a s
Dr. Henry Cloud on Your Desired Future, Self-Awareness, and the Psychology of Change
Have you ever known where you want to go—but felt mysteriously stuck getting there? In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Dr. Henry Cloud, clinical psychologist, leadership expert, and bestselling author of Boundaries, to talk about his new book, Your Desired Future: The Five Essential Steps That Take You Where You Want to Go. Together, we explore the intersection of faith, psychology, the
COURAGEOUS CONVERSATIONS: Negotation Skills and Your Enneagram Type with Attia Qureshi
"Emotions drive 90 to 95% of our unconscious decision-making." Attia Qureshi is back — and this time, we go deeper. After her first interview, Attia's insights on persuasion and negotiation were so helpful that Anthony put them to the test in a real-life negotiation and said, "they changed the game." So, we invited her back to go deeper into the ideas behind her book, Never Settle: Persuasion and
Fitting In vs. Belonging: What Enneagram Nines (and the Rest of Us) Get Wrong About Connection, with Brian Boecker
Every once in a while, a conversation comes along that makes you pull out your earbuds and stare into the middle distance. This is one of those. My guest today didn't come to promote a book or launch a course. He's here because he's a good friend with hard-won wisdom — and the rare ability to articulate what's actually going on inside. Meet Brian Boecker, therapist at Restoring the Soul in Denve
The Buddhist Enneagram: How Mindfulness Transforms Your Personality Patterns with Susan Piver
What happens when two powerful paths—Buddhism and the Enneagram—sit down for a conversation? In this episode, Ian welcomes author and Buddhist teacher Susan Piver (The Buddhist Enneagram) to explore the overlap between these two systems. Susan's new book, The Buddhist Enneagram, offers a fresh lens on personality—not as something to fix, but as something to understand, soften, and ultimately hold
Courageous Conversations: How to Say What Needs to Be Said – Without Blowing It Up
Most of us think we're avoiding hard conversations because we don't know what to say. But that's not really the problem. In this episode, Ian and Anthony dive into the real reason we sidestep the conversations that matter most—and it has a lot less to do with skill and a lot more to do with what's happening inside of us. Because here's the truth: you can have the best negotiation strategy in the w
Courageous Conversations: How Your Conflict Style Shapes Every Difficult Conversation
What if the conversations you're avoiding… are actually the doorway to the relationships you want? In this replay from our Courageous Conversations series, I sit down with conflict resolution expert James Guinn to explore a truth most of us would rather sidestep: conflict isn't the problem—our style of engaging it is. Together, we unpack the hidden patterns that shape how you show up when tension
Courageous Conversations: Why We Struggle to Ask for What We Want (and How to Change It) with Attia Qureshi
Last week, we kicked off our Courageous Conversations series with a fresh look at building emotional confidence. This week, we lay the groundwork for how personality, emotional regulation, and awareness all play into navigating conversations that matter. I sat down with Attia Qureshi—an expert in negotiation and persuasion—but what unfolds isn't just about getting what you want. It's about why we
Courageous Conversations: The Inner Work that Builds Confidence
This week, we're kicking off a multi-week series on how to have courageous conversations. We'll be digging into the foundations of emotional confidence, strategies for negotiation, and how to have difficult conversations. Today, we're taking a fresh look at our conversation with Alicia Michelle to learn how to slow down your inner world and regulate your thoughts, your emotions, and your react
Replay: When the Life You Built Breaks Open w/Jen Hatmaker
What happens when the life you built—carefully, faithfully, and very publicly—splits down the middle in a single night? This week on Typology, we're revisiting one of the most powerful conversations we've had on the show—a replay of my interview with bestselling author and cultural truth-teller Jen Hatmaker. Jen, an Enneagram Three with a courageous edge that sometimes looks a lot like an Eight, j
Feeling Different? A Deep Dive into the Enneagram 4 Experience with Dudley Delffs
There are some conversations that don't just inform you—they find you. This was one of those for me. In this episode, I sit down with my friend Dudley Delffs—author, therapist, and a fellow self-preservation Four—and what unfolds is less of an interview and more of an honest, unguarded conversation between two people who've spent a lifetime trying to tell the truth about their lives…and sometimes
How the Enneagram Transforms Leadership and Workplace Culture
Most leaders think workplace problems are about strategy, performance, or communication. But what if the real issue is something deeper—something invisible shaping how people interpret everything that happens at work? In this episode of Typology, Anthony and I explore how the Enneagram reveals the hidden motivations driving behavior inside teams and leadership groups. When people begin to understa
Part 2: The Enneagram in Therapy (What It Looks Like in the Room)
In Part 2 of our conversation on using the Enneagram in therapy, we move from theory to lived experience in the room. Anthony and I discuss how type can be understood as an adaptive survival strategy shaped by early attachment and trauma—and how that framing reduces shame instead of reinforcing it. We talk about what it looks like when the Enneagram is actually working in session: increased self-o
The Enneagram in Therapy (Part 1): How to Use It With Care, Clarity, and Clinical Wisdom
What does it mean to use the Enneagram in therapy responsibly? In Part 1 of this two-part conversation on Typology, Anthony Skinner and I lay the groundwork for therapists, counselors, and coaches who want to responsibly integrate the Enneagram into clinical practice with wisdom and care. Together, we unpack what the Enneagram is—and what it isn't—in the therapy room. It's not a diagnosis. It's n
The Future of Mental Health: Psychedelics, Trauma Recovery, and the Enneagram
There are conversations that stretch you a little. And then there are conversations that gently but firmly rearrange the furniture in your mind. This week, I sat down with Keith Kurlander and Will Van Derveer—co-founders of the Integrative Psychiatry Institute—to talk about something that's generating a lot of curiosity and, let's be honest, some anxiety: psychedelic-assisted therapy. Before you b
When Therapy Speak Goes Too Far, with Joe Nucci
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with therapist and author Joe Nucci for a thoughtful, wide-ranging conversation about the Enneagram, mental health, and the growing misuse of therapeutic language in our culture. Joe—an Enneagram Three—shares his own journey with the Enneagram, the hidden shame dynamics of Threes, and how public success can quietly pull us toward performance instead of integ
The Defender's Way: How Enneagram Eights Can Build Cultures of Care Without Losing Power"
What happens when Enneagram Eight energy grows up, softens its edges, and learns to lead with both strength and soul? In this episode of Typology, Ian Morgan Cron sits down with restaurateur, entrepreneur, and conscious capitalism advocate Dan Simons, co-owner of Founding Farmers, for a wide-ranging, deeply human conversation about power, protection, and what it really means to build a culture of
Enneagram Six Wisdom: Songwriter Brad Warren on Anxiety, Humor, Faith, and Healing After Loss
What happens when the worst thing you've been afraid of actually happens—and you're still standing? In this episode of Typology, I sit down with songwriter Brad Warren—an Enneagram Six, a man in long-term recovery, a husband, a father, and someone who has walked straight through unimaginable grief and come out the other side with humility, humor, and hard-won wisdom. Brad is the kind of person who
The Hidden Cost of Performance: Steve Cuss on Anxiety, the Enneagram Three, and Becoming Your True Self
What happens when the need to appear competent becomes the very thing that disconnects us from others—and from ourselves? In this deeply honest and surprisingly funny conversation, Ian welcomes author, speaker, and Enneagram Three, Steve Cuss for a wide-ranging dialogue on anxiety, performance, false self, and the quiet freedom that comes with becoming more human-sized. Drawing from Steve's experi
Jimmy Carter, the Enneagram, and the Life That Comes After Striving, with Andrew Greer
What if your most meaningful work begins after you stop striving to prove yourself? In this warm, wide-ranging conversation, I sit down with old friend, songwriter, filmmaker, and Enneagram Two Andrew Greer for a heartful exploration of loneliness, love, boundaries, creativity, and what it really means to live a good life. Andrew opens up about the hidden sadness behind the Enneagram Two's gi
Rediscover the Christmas Story You Thought You Knew, with AJ Sherrill (Replay)
This Christmas, we're delighted to bring back one of our most beloved conversations with Enneagram Three, pastor, and author AJ Sherrill. In this replay, AJ joins me to revisit the Nativity story—not as the sentimental tale we often breeze past each year, but as a rich, multilayered narrative pulsing with mystery, courage, vulnerability, and divine surprise. AJ shares his own journey into spiritua
Caring for Every Type at Christmas: A Holiday Conversation with Christina Wilcox (Replay)
With the holidays just around the corner, we're bringing back a conversation that continues to deliver relational gold. Whether you heard it the first time or you're discovering it now, this replay with author and Enneagram teacher Christina Wilcox offers a beautifully practical and deeply compassionate look at how the Enneagram can transform the way we show up for one another during the most emot
Awakening in the Second Half: Jen Hatmaker on Loss, Love, and Letting Go
What happens when the life you built—carefully, faithfully, and publicly—splits down the middle in a single night? On this episode of Typology, I sit down with bestselling author and beloved cultural commentator Jen Hatmaker to talk about her stunning new memoir, Awake. Jen, an Enneagram Three with a courageous streak that can look a whole lot like an Eight, opens up about the "before-and-after da
Lynn Smith on Leadership Confidence and Overcoming the Brain Bully (Enneagram 3)
This week on Typology, we welcomed the incomparable Lynn Smith—former national news anchor turned communications strategist, executive coach, and proud (and newly discovered) Enneagram Three with a Two wing. And friends… buckle up. This conversation is a masterclass in emotional intelligence, presence, and what it means to pursue success without losing yourself in the chase. Fresh off taking the T
Gratitude for each Enneagram Type
German-born spiritual teacher and self-help author Eckhart Tolle once wrote, "Acknowledging the good that you already have in your life is the foundation for all abundance." I found this to be true in my life as well, and as it turns out, expressing gratitude isn't just a sound spiritual practice. It's essential to our emotional and physical well-being. According to a recent study performed at H
The Sacred Ache and Beauty of Becoming with Heath Hardesty
What happens when an Enneagram Two (or…maybe a Four?) takes a deep dive into the ache beneath our desire to be good, loved, and whole? This week, I sit down with Heath Hardesty, pastor and author of All Things Together: How Apprenticeship to Jesus Is the Way of Flourishing in a Fragmented World. What begins as a conversation about the Enneagram Two's longing to help soon unfurls into an exploratio
Steve Taylor on Maturity, Mindfulness & Meaning (Enneagram 7)
In this heartfelt, humorous, and deeply human conversation, Ian sits down with longtime friend — artist, filmmaker, professor, and Enneagram Seven — Steve Taylor. You may know him as the legendary provocateur who "invented irony for Christians," but in this episode, we explore the terrain beneath the creativity, the energy, and the relentless forward motion that has defined so much of his life. To
Wild Courage and the Heart of the Enneagram Three, with Jenny Wood and Carlina Daugherty
What happens when two high-achieving Enneagram Threes sit down with an Enneagram Four? You get an electric, honest, and surprisingly tender conversation about ambition, fear, and what it really means to live courageously. In this episode, Ian sits down with Jenny Wood, former Google executive and author of Wild Courage: Go After What You Want and Get It, and her Chief of Staff, Carlina Daugherty,
Joel Miller on the Inner World of the Enneagram Five and the Power of Ideas
In this week's episode of Typology, I sit down with my dear friend and fellow book lover Joel Miller—an Enneagram Five through and through, and author of The Idea Machine: How Books Built Our World and Shape Our Future. Joel embodies the mind of a Five: curious, analytical, fiercely independent, and endlessly fascinated with ideas. But as we explore in our conversation, that intellectual br
Bad Thoughts: When a Preacher and a Shrink Team Up to Heal the Mind and Soul, with Judah Smith and Dr. Les Parrott and
On this week's episode of Typology, I'm joined by two remarkable guests who sit right at the intersection of faith and psychology: Dr. Les Parrott, a clinical psychologist and author, and pastor Judah Smith, who brings a preacher's honesty and a comedian's timing to our conversation. Together, they've written a new book called Bad Thoughts: A Preacher and a Shrink's Guide to Reclaiming Your Mind a
How Empathy Helps Us Experience Love Deeply, with Drs. Bill & Kristi Gaultiere
What if the real key to spiritual transformation isn't trying harder—but receiving love more deeply? In this heartfelt conversation, I sit down once again with Drs. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere—spiritual directors, therapists, and founders of Soul Shepherding—to explore what it means to truly receive and reflect God's empathy. Drawing from their new book, Deeply Loved, the Gaultieres invite us to con
Discover Your Instinctual Stack, with Elan Benami, EnneaApp Creator
What is an Instinctual Stack? Do you know yours? We all have three instincts. None of us are absent one. However, one does tend to be dominant. But what are instincts and how do they influence how each type shows up in the world? In today's episode, we revisit our conversation with Elan Benami, creator of the EnneaApp and author of Enneagram Patterns & Poetics, to provide you with a great overv
Why Love Feels Addictive: Enneagram Insights with Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby
What if the ways we keep getting stuck in relationships aren't just bad habits, but the natural outworking of how we're wired to bond—and to protect ourselves from pain? In this episode of Typology, I sit down with psychologist and couples counselor Dr. Lisa Marie Bobby (a freshly discovered Seven with an Eight wing) to talk about the intersection of attachment, addiction to love, and the Enneag
One Choice Away: Justin and Trisha Davis on Marriage, Forgiveness, and the Enneagram (Types 8 & 3)
Today, we're joined by Justin (8w7) and Trisha Davis (3w2), a couple whose story holds both heartbreak and a hard-won hope. We talk honestly about the Eight–Three dance in marriage—intensity, drive, image, and protection—and how those same strengths can be magic when we're healthy and toxic when we're not. We also dive into their new book, One Choice Away from Change: Break the Cycles that Hurt Yo
Wired for Relationship: Attachment Theory and Spiritual Growth with Dr. Todd Hall
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Dr. Todd Hall to explore the profound ways attachment theory shapes not only our personal relationships but also our spirituality. Together, we unpack how the early bonds we form with caregivers influence our emotional health, the ways we relate to others, and even how we connect with God. Todd shares insights from his groundbreaking research on relatio
The Art of Listening: An Eight Step Approach to Connection with Emily Kasriel
This week, we explore the art of listening and the complexities of human personality through the lens of the Enneagram with Emily Kasriel, an award-winning journalist, executive coach, and author of the new book, Deep Listening: Transform Your Relationships with Family, Friends, and Foes. Emily shares her journey of self-awareness and the importance of deep listening in our everyday interactions.
How to Lead with Courage and Vulnerability, feat. Dr. Terence Lester (Enneagram 8)
In this week's episode of Typology, I sit down with Dr. Terence Lester—an Enneagram Eight, author of From Dropout to Doctorate, and the visionary founder of Love Beyond Walls. Terence's story is as powerful as it is inspiring. From his early years in Atlanta to leading a movement that uplifts those experiencing poverty and homelessness, his journey embodies both courage and compassion. Together, w
1,000 Hours Outside: Rediscovering the Freedom of Play with Ginny Yurich
This week on Typology, I sit down with Ginny Yurich—author of Until the Streetlights Come On and Homeschooling: You're Doing It Right Just by Doing It. Together, we revisit the freedom of childhood play, explore how modern parenting has shifted, and talk about why kids today desperately need more time outdoors. Ginny, an Enneagram Two, shares candidly about her own parenting journey—what she's lea
The ADD Method for Emotional Freedom with Enneagram One, Alicia Michelle
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Alicia Michelle—an Enneagram One and host of The Christian Mindset Coach podcast—for a meaningful conversation about emotions, perfectionism, and the journey toward self-compassion. Alicia shares her story of discovering her true type, the freedom that comes from quieting the inner critic, and her practical ADD method (Acknowledge, Discern, Decide) for
Building an Emotionally Healthy Family in a Culture That Won't Stop Shouting, with Sarah Boyd, M.Ed. in Psych
Ever feel like the world's volume knob is stuck on "too loud"? In this week's episode of Typology, I'm joined by my friend Sarah Boyd—an insightful Enneagram Four and author of the brand-new book, Turn Down the Noise: A Practical Guide to Building an Emotionally Healthy Family in a Chronically Overstimulated World. Sarah has walked through seasons of deep beauty and deep challenge—including her ow
From VeggieTales to the Enneagram: Mike Nawrocki on Peace, Presence, and Purpose
What happens when a peace-seeking Enneagram Nine becomes the voice of one of the most beloved animated characters in children's television? Find out as we dive into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Mike Nawrocki, co-creator of VeggieTales and the voice of Larry the Cucumber. In this engaging conversation, we explore the unique traits of Enneagram Nines, known as the Peacemakers. Mike
Understanding Enneagram Twos: Desire, Boundaries, and Connection with Emily Zeller, LMFT
What happens when your deep longing to love and be loved gets tangled up with your need to be needed? In this week's episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with the wonderful Emily Zeller—a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified Enneagram practitioner, and a one-to-one Enneagram Two. Emily brings such honesty and heart as we talk about desire, boundaries, and the tender places in a
A Change of Habit: Sister Monica Clare's Journey from Advertising to Nunhood
Welcome to this enlightening episode of Typology! Join us as we explore the life and journey of Sister Monica Clare, an Enneagram 6 and author of the memoir A Change of Habit: Leaving Behind My Husband, Career, and Everything I Owned to Become a Nun. In this episode, we explore: Sister Monica's experiences growing up in a chaotic environment and how it shaped her Enneagram type. The unique cha
Desire, Longing and the Enneagram, feat. Tracey Gee
In this episode of Typology, we welcome Tracey Gee, an Enneagram 3w2 and author of the new book, The Magic of Knowing What You Want: A Practical Guide to Unearthing the Wisdom of Your Desires. Tracey shares her journey of discovering the Enneagram in her late 20s while navigating the challenges of vocational ministry and familial expectations. She reflects on how understanding her Enneagram type
Taming Your Money Monster: Understanding Finances Through the Lens of the Enneagram, feat. Doug Lynam
In this episode of Typology, we welcome Doug Lynam, an Enneagram 3w4 and author of the new book "Taming Your Money Monster: Nine Paths to Money Mastery with the Enneagram." Doug shares his fascinating journey from Marine Corps officer to Benedictine monk and now money manager, exploring how the Enneagram can provide insights into our relationship with money. Join us as we dive into the unique "mo
Grace Yourself: How to Embrace Sobriety and Self-Acceptance, with Chris Janssen
In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Chris Janssen, a USA Today best-selling author and board-certified coach, to explore the intersection of the Enneagram, recovery, and personal growth. Chris, an Enneagram 4, shares her journey of sobriety and the insights she gained from her experiences. Together, we discuss the unique challenges that Enneagram 4s face, particularly in relation to addic
The Stories That Shape Us, feat. Melanie Shankle (Enneagram 9)
How do our early stories shape who we become, and what would it look like to embrace healing and grace along the way? In this heartfelt episode of Typology, we welcome Melanie Shankle, an Enneagram 9 with an 8 wing and author of Here Be Dragons: Treading the Deep Waters of Motherhood, Mean Girls, and Generational Trauma. Melanie opens up about the impact of a turbulent childhood, the people-pleasi
Joy, Suffering, and the Spirit Who Holds It All – with Margaret Feinberg (Enneagram 7w8)
This week on Typology, I sat down with the brilliant and buoyant Margaret Feinberg—author, teacher, and Enneagram 7 with an 8 wing. We talked about her new book, The God You Need to Know, and what it means to experience the Holy Spirit's presence—not just in the highs of life, but in the valleys too. Margaret opened up about facing surgery just before her book launch, navigating the exhaustion tha
The Inner World of a 4w5: The Creative Struggle for Authenticity with Hanna HowardDraft: Hanna Howard
This week on Typology I had the joy of sitting down with author Hanna Howard, an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. Hanna's not only the author of the young adult fantasy novel Our Divine Mischief, but also a great example of how our Enneagram type shapes the stories we tell — on paper and in life. We talk about what sets a 4w5 apart — that mix of emotional depth and intellectual curiosity. While a
Understanding Your Conflict Style: Enneagram Insights with Dr. James Ginn
In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we dive deep into the art of conflict resolution with our special guest, James Ginn, author of the new book How to Get Along with Anyone: The Playbook for Predicting and Preventing Conflict at Work and at Home. Join us as we explore the five distinct conflict styles: Avoiders, Competitors, Collaborators, Accommodators, and Analyzers. James shares insights o
When "Enough" Is More Than Money: An Enneagram One's Journey, feat. Elizabeth Husserl
In this heartfelt episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with Elizabeth Husserl—an Enneagram One with a Two wing and the author of the beautiful new book The Power of Enough: Finding Joy in Your Relationship with Money. Elizabeth's story begins over two decades ago when she first encountered the Enneagram. What followed was nothing short of transformational. Her work with the Enneagram didn't
Dr. Morgan Cutlip on Tackling the Invisible Burden of the Mental Load Among Couples
Have you ever felt overwhelmed in your relationships or struggled with the mental load? If yes, this episode is a must-listen! In this episode, Dr. Morgan Cutlip, an Enneagram 9 and author of the new book, A Better Share reveals how understanding her Enneagram type has shaped her approach to relationships, especially with her husband, who is a Type 3. We explore the dynamics of their relationship,
From Conflict to Connection: Transforming Relationships Through the Enneagram with Christa Hardin, MA
In this episode of Typology, we take a look at the fascinating intersection of the Enneagram and relationships with our special guest, Crista Hardin, a relationship expert and author of "The Enneagram in Marriage." Christa, an Enneagram 7, brings her vibrant energy and insights to the conversation, discussing how her type influences her marriage and her work with couples. We explore the complexiti
Underestimated: Mary Marantz on Embracing Fear and Moving Forward
This week we welcome the incredible Mary Marantz, an Enneagram 4 and author of the new book, Underestimated: The Surprisingly Simple Shift to Quit Playing Small, Name the Fear, and Move Forward Anyway. In this episode, we dive deep into the transformative power of understanding our Enneagram types and how they shape our narratives. Mary shares her personal journey of self-discovery, revealing how
From Codependency to Self-Discovery: Thais Gibson on the Path of an Enneagram Two
In this episode of Typology, we dive deep into the world of the Enneagram with our special guest, Thais Gibson, an Enneagram Two with a Three wing. Thais is a counselor, best-selling author, and co-founder of the Personal Development School, bringing a wealth of knowledge and experience to our conversation. Join Ian Cron and co-host Anthony Skinner as they explore Thais's journey of self-discovery
The Audacity to Be You: Embracing Your True Self, feat. Dr. Brad Reedy
In this powerful episode of Typology, I'm honored to sit down with Enneagram 8, Dr. Brad Reedy, co-founder and chief clinical officer of Finding You Therapy Programs, Together, we explore the profound impact of therapy and self-acceptance on the transformative journey of self-discovery and healing. Brad opens up about his journey as a therapist and how his work has profoundly impacted families, in
The Soul Beneath the Symptoms, feat. Michael J. Cusick
This week on Typology, I sat down with my dear friend, therapist and spiritual director, Michael Cusick for a raw, wise, and deeply compassionate conversation about the connection between attachments and our path to healing. Michael—founder of Restoring the Soul and a true guide for the journey inward—helps us unpack the idea that our symptoms (anxiety, compulsions, burnout, you name it) aren't s
An Enneagram Six's Journey to Open-Heartedness, feat. Jeff Chu
How do you cultivate open-heartedness? Tune in as the insightful Jeff Chu, author of the new memoir, Good Soil: The Education of an Accidental Farmhand and a self-identified Enneagram Six, shares what he learned on his journey from a successful career in journalism to the unexpected life of a farmhand at Princeton's Farminary. We explore the fascinating intersection of farming and personal growt
Smart, Not Loud: Strategies for Getting Noticed at Work with Jessica Chen
Today on Typology, we dig into the Enneagram with our special guest, Jessica Chen, an Enneagram 3 and author of the insightful book Smart, Not Loud: How to Get Noticed at Work for All the Right Reasons. Join us as we explore the unique challenges faced by quieter personality types in the workplace, particularly those identified as Enneagram 4s, 5s, 6s, and 9s. Jessica shares her personal journey o
How to Cultivate a Deep-Rooted Marriage, feat. Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call
Join us for an enlightening episode of the Typology Podcast as we dive deep into the complexities of marriage through the lens of the Enneagram with our special guests, Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call. In this episode, we explore insights from their book, The Deep-Rooted Marriage: Cultivating Intimacy, Healing, and Delight. Discover how the Enneagram can provide clarity in relationships, parti
How to Transform Shame into Empowerment through Storytelling, feat. ESPN reporter Lauren Sisler
Is she an Enneagram Two, the Helper, or an Enneagram Three, the Achiever? Find out in today's episode with Emmy award-winning sports broadcaster, ESPN sideline reporter, author, keynote speaker, and someone known for her sideline shimmy, Lauren Sisler. Through insightful typing questions, Ian guides Lauren on an exploration of her core motivations, fears, and traits that define her personality. We
Jason Wahler's Recovery Journey: Navigating Codependency and Self-Discovery
This week we welcome the incredible Jason Wahler, a passionate advocate for addiction education and recovery. You may recognize Jason from shows like Laguna Beach, The Hills, and Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew. His journey through addiction and recovery is both inspiring and enlightening. In this episode, we discuss Jason's Enneagram type, which he recently discovered to be a 3 with a 2 wing. Toget
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