The Hurdle Rate Podcast

Bitcoin Is Cheap. Amplify Now. | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 77 Oct 6, 2026 3701 In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strive's latest 2,000 Bitcoin purchase, a Q3 that delivered a 99% total return, and the new $500 million SATA repurchase facility. They also discuss the goal of pushing amplification above 60% while Bitcoin is under $100K, why the market is too focused on the downside, and why US capital markets are the major leagues. The episode closes with a recap

All In On Bitcoin | The Hurdle Rate Podcast LIVE | Ep. 76 Sep 29, 2026 1681 The Hurdle Rate goes LIVE at the Bitcoin Treasuries Conference in New York, back where the Strive and Semler deal started a year ago. The panel looks back on that deal, which brought the two companies' roughly 6,000 and 5,000 Bitcoin together, and explains why getting bigger was what made SATA possible. Matt explains the game theory behind SATA's daily dividend now that Strategy is following suit,

Growing Trust Grows Liquidity | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 75 Sep 22, 2026 3319 In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strive's latest 1,355 Bitcoin purchase, Bitcoin's breakout, and why short-term traders may miss the move. They also discuss how digital credit could reshape the next bull market, why liquidity is the clearest measure of trust, and what Michael Saylor and Warren Buffett teach about building balance-sheet companies. The episode closes on the affordabi

Podcasters Per Share | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 74 Sep 15, 2026 3991 This week on The Hurdle Rate: Adam Livingston joins Strive as VP of Investments, Strategy buys back $139 million of STRC with stretch back near 99, and Strive adds 469 Bitcoin at an average cost of $77,954 while hitting an all-time high market cap of $2.75 billion. Jeff makes the case that trust is the real infrastructure of capital markets, and why Bitcoin makes that trust legible. We get into th

The Billion Dollar Wall | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 73 Sep 8, 2026 3765 In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew discusses SATA hitting $999 million outstanding, Strategy doubling its STRC repurchase facility to $2 billion, and Strive adding another 1,000+ Bitcoin. Ben breaks down the art and science of running the desk and why amplification stays on. Matt makes the case that we've never seen a bull market with a perpetual preferred model in place. We also get into execut

Building on Digital Credit | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 72 Sep 1, 2026 3777 In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew unpacks a market that has come roaring back to life, from Strategy returning as a Bitcoin buyer at 0% net leverage to Strive growing its stack 14.4% in two weeks to 23,156 Bitcoin. Jeff brings back lessons from Bitcoin Asia, where investors are building structured finance on top of Bitcoin and digital credit faster than the US, and we dig into why STRC hasn't s

Liquidity Is The Moat | Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 71 Aug 25, 2026 3113

Digital Credit Is The Product | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 70 Aug 18, 2026 3314 In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew reacts to Strategy’s latest investor Q&A and breaks down why the company is prioritizing STRC, building cash reserves, and treating Bitcoin as flexible capital. We dig into why Bitcoin has held firm despite Strategy selling, the Coldcard self-custody exploit, and broader market stress, and what that resilience could signal about the bear market. The convers

What's New With Strive? | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 69 Aug 10, 2026 3073 In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strive’s Q2 results, including a 23.9% Bitcoin yield and how the company’s incentive structure supports its broader Bitcoin treasury strategy. We then turn to Strive’s refreshed website and redesigned Bitcoin Dashboard, exploring how the new tools improve transparency, make key treasury metrics easier to understand, and give investors a clearer vi

Look For The Helpers | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 68 Aug 4, 2026 2862 In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the Coldcard self custody exploit and how the Bitcoin community responded to it, before turning to what the event revealed about how few people understood the cryptography they were relying on. We dig into the yen hitting its weakest level in forty years and what a fragile treasury market means for everyone holding dollars, Strategy's decision to se

We’re Playing For Trillions | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 67 Jul 31, 2026 2708 Episode 67: We’re Playing For Trillions In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strategy’s Q2 2026 earnings call and its focus on returning STRC to par while building a trillion-dollar digital credit market. We explore why liquidity, simplicity, and preserving Bitcoin’s upside remain central to the strategy, along with the risks of borrowing against Bitcoin or using derivatives for shor

Episode 66: Social Investing Jul 21, 2026 3562 In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the slow summer market and strategy's focus on building up its balance sheet to improve credit quality. We explore how Strategy and Strive are navigating macro uncertainty, steadying operations, and executing consistent Bitcoin buys through the summer doldrums. We also dig into the derivatives market, short interest dynamics for ASST and SATA, and h

Episode 65: Shifting Institutional Jul 14, 2026 3505 Shifting Institutional | The Hurdle Rate Podcast | Ep. 65 In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew opens with updates from Strategy, Strive, and the digital credit market before recapping the major developments from Q2. We cover Strategy’s growing cash reserve, market feedback, and the evolution of Bitcoin-backed credit. We also explore institutional adoption, structured products, AI, intellectual p

Episode 64: Building The Track Record Jul 7, 2026 2727 Episode 64: Building The Track Record In this week’s Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down Strategy’s sale of Bitcoin to fund dividend payments and why the market’s reaction may signal growing confidence in Bitcoin as a liquid capital asset. We explore how Strategy and Strive are using balance sheet management, digital credit, and capital markets access to keep their models moving through volatility.

Episode 63: The Digital Credit Capital Framework Jun 30, 2026 4452 Episode 63: The Digital Credit Capital Framework In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew opens with the latest on digital credit volatility and the broader market backdrop, before digging into Strategy's capital framework and how management is navigating stress in the system. The conversation turns to institutional behavior, the realities of managing a cash balance sheet, and the dynamics of leverag

Episode 62: Digital Credit Weakness Jun 22, 2026 3225 Episode 62: Digital Credit Weakness Full episodes: https://tnorth.com/hurdle-rate/ In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the mechanics of volatility and liquidation events, before turning to shifting investor behavior and how markets react to sudden liquidations. We dig into how digital credit stacks up against traditional financial instruments, the innovations shaping the future of t

Episode 61: What’s Your Time Preference? Jun 16, 2026 3167 In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the latest corporate Bitcoin market activity and Strive's growing Bitcoin holdings, before turning to Strategy's Bitcoin sale and what the balance sheet math actually reveals about risk and permanent impairment. We dig into historical bear market scenarios, how to manage amplification ratios, and the product management and demand dynamics shaping th

Episode 60: The Math of Amplification Jun 2, 2026 3039 Episode 60: The Math of Amplification In this week's Hurdle Rate, the crew breaks down the latest corporate Bitcoin market activity and Strive's growing Bitcoin holdings, before turning to Strategy's Bitcoin sale and what the balance sheet math actually reveals about risk and permanent impairment. We dig into historical bear market scenarios, how to manage amplification ratios, and the product ma

Episode 59: Scale Like Crazy May 27, 2026 2853 Episode 59: Scale Like Crazy 0:00 - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 1:08 - Jeff’s Podcast Circuit & Strategy Retires Debt 21:27 - Strive’s Big Week 32:42 - Strategy’s Retail Q&A 41:29 - Kevin Warsh is The New Fed Chair

Episode 58: Exponential Innovation May 19, 2026 3287 Episode 58: Exponential Innovation 0:00 - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 1:30 - Strive: The Daily Dividend Company 5:32 - Ringing The Opening Bell at Nasdaq 23:50 - How Strive Paid Off Its Debt 27:00 - How Big Is This Idea? 41:21 - The Infrastructure Behind The Scenes 47:00 - How Bitcoin Will Be Involved In Strive’s Future All episodes are posted on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR

Episode 57: The Answer Is Trillions May 6, 2026 3284 Episode 57: The Answer Is Trillions All episodes live here: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ 0:00 - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 3:02 - MSTR Earnings Call Reaction 25:22 - Is Digital Credit Too Good to Be True? 42:16 - FDIC & Monetary Risk

Episode 56: The User Experience Apr 21, 2026 3224 Episode 56: The User Experience All episodes live here: https://tnorth.com/shows/hurdle-rate/ 0:00 - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 2:20 - Strategy Flips BlackRock 20:58 - Is The Tokenized Ecosystem Completely Useless? 30:13 - AI Tools & Revamping Portfolios 45:55 - Schwab Education

Episode 55: A Structural Shift Apr 14, 2026 3029 Episode 55: A Structural Shift [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:30] Digital Credit’s Big Month [00:18:05] Capital Flows [00:26:50] Rethinking Credit [00:42:37] The End of the 60/40 Portfolio

Episode 54: The Management of The Treasury Apr 7, 2026 3099 Episode 54: The Management of The Treasury [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:55] The Accumulation Phase [00:21:00] Digital Credit as The Hurdle Rate [00:40:45] Moderate Duration

Episode 53 - Bitcoin, AI and The New QE Mar 31, 2026 3537 Episode 53 - Bitcoin, AI and The New QE Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:45] US Debt Crisis [00:17:37] AI Disruption in The Startup Economy [00:30:58] Debasement & Portfolio Construction [00:44:34] Which Type of Non-Bitcoin Company Would Even Be Attractive Now?

Episode 52 - An Increasingly Digital World Mar 24, 2026 3157 Episode 52 - An Increasingly Digital World Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:10] The Latest News from Strategy [00:14:00] Private Credit Liquidity Issues [00:32:23] The Correlation Between Private Credit and Public Credit Markets

Episode 51 - A Digital Credit Treasury Mar 17, 2026 3556 Episode 51 - A Digital Credit Treasury Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:36] Strive ASST & SATA Update [00:49:14] Strategy’s Latest Buy

Episode 50 - Some Pretty Good Money Printing Mar 10, 2026 3556 Episode 50 - Some Pretty Good Money Printing Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:03:20] Strategy’s Latest [00:12:55] 20 Millionth Bitcoin is Mined [00:37:15] The Speed at Which AI is Advancing

Episode 49 - Digital Credit is for Corporations Mar 2, 2026 4157 Episode 49 - Digital Credit is for Corporations Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:02:00] Bitcoin as Digital Freedom Money Amid Global Uncertainty [00:20:30] Strategy World Recap [00:27:55] STRC as The Hurdle Rate? [00:39:20] Traditional Finance at Strategy World [00:50:40] The Liquidity Component [01:05:

Episode 48 - Bullish Digital Credit Feb 18, 2026 3219 Episode 48 - Bullish Digital Credit Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:51] Reflections on Bitcoin Investor Week & Matt’s Cardone Debate [00:10:28] Amplification in a Bear Market [00:22:04] The True Risk Profile of Digital Credit Instruments [00:37:00] Private Credit, Compounding GDP, and Government Spending

Episode 47 - A Time To Build Feb 10, 2026 2922 Episode 47 - A Time To Build Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:50] Bitcoin Investor Week in NYC [00:09:50] Bull vs Bear Markets [00:28:00] Is the Bottom In? [00:41:40] Strategy’s Earnings Call

Episode 46 - Build The Structure Feb 3, 2026 2939 Episode 46 - Build The Structure Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:05] Kevin Warsh Named Fed Chair [00:24:38] Clawdbots & Moltbook [00:32:10] The Pref Only Model & Digital Risk [00:44:05] Bitcoin as a Term Asset & What a Supercycle Means

Episode 45 - Preferred Equity Demand Jan 28, 2026 3878 Episode 45 - Preferred Equity Demand Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:40] Does the Preferred Equity Present a Systemic Risk to Bitcoin? [00:21:42] Strive + Semler: The First M&A Transaction in Bitcoin Treasuries [00:33:30] IBIT Bitcoin Covered Call ETF [00:41:51] Gold & Silver Price Action [00:47:30] What

Episode 44 - Digital Credit Clarity Jan 20, 2026 3411 Episode 44 - Digital Credit Clarity Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:56] Strategy’s Latest [00:11:55] Credit Spreads Hit All Time Tights [00:30:06] Coinbase Pulls Out of Clarity Act [00:43:54] Matt Cole Corners the Bitcoin Treasury Podcast Industrial Complex

Episode 43 - The Best Message Is Digital Credit Jan 13, 2026 3736 Episode 43 - The Best Message Is Digital Credit Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:02:55] Strategy’s $1.25 Billion Orange Buy [00:15:56] Michael Saylor on What Bitcoin Did [00:39:58] Jerome Powell in Hot Water and Disenchantment with the Fed [00:49:30] Trump Caps Credit Card Interest [00:56:03] Strive Semler Merger

Episode 42 - Pensions, Private Equity & Digital Credit Jan 6, 2026 3712 Episode 42 - Pensions, Private Equity & Digital Credit Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com 0:00 - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate 0:55 - Strategy Gears Up for Massive 2026 12:10 - Looking Back at 2025: Year Zero in Digital Credit 30:12 - Capital Allocation and Pension Funds 50:18 - 2026 Outlook

Episode 41 - Structurally Bullish Dec 23, 2025 3548 Episode 41 - Structurally Bullish Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:21] Reflections on 2025 [00:08:14] The Bitcoin Era [00:18:12] Amplification and the Power of Compounding [00:30:30] Do You Beat The Hurdle Rate of Bitcoin? [00:53:04] Tim’s Review of Bitcoin Treasuries Big Year

Episode 40 - Set Up For A Supercycle Dec 16, 2025 2758 Episode 40 - Set Up For A Supercycle Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:02:08] The Latest on Bitcoin [00:10:18] A Decade-Long Supercycle? [00:19:47] OCC Greenlights Crypto Bank Charters [00:26:14] Valuations [00:34:48] Quantum Risks? [00:40:15] MSTR Staying in Nasdaq 100 [00:43:57] Final Thoughts

Episode 39 - The Hurdle Rate Is High Dec 9, 2025 2455 Episode 39 - The Hurdle Rate Is High Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:30] Bitcoin MENA [00:22:53] Bitcoin As The Hurdle Rate [00:37:27] Closing Thoughts

Episode 38 - The Incentives Are Aligned Dec 2, 2025 3468 Episode 38 - The Incentives Are Aligned Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:40] The Incentives Are Aligned [00:10:50] MSTR’s Green Dots & USD Reserve [00:46:16] STRC Dividend Rate Hike

Episode 37 - Meet Them Where They're At Nov 25, 2025 3168 Episode 37 - Meet Them Where They're At Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:50] Market Uncertainty & MSCI Exclusions [00:34:14] Mike Green Article and the K-Shaped Economy

Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit Revolution Nov 18, 2025 3248 Episode 36 - Inside the Digital Credit Revolution Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:30] Bitcoin Amsterdam & Cantor Conference Miami Recaps [00:19:24] Volatility in the Prefs [00:41:08] Underwriting Bitcoin [00:47:28] Hedging with Zcash?

Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital Credit Nov 10, 2025 4776 Episode 35 - Amplified Bitcoin and Digital Credit Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] The IPOs of Digital Credit [00:12:41] The Process of Launching a Preferred Product [00:27:06] ASST & SATA Update

Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital Credit Nov 4, 2025 3076 Episode 34 - The Preferred Strategy is Digital Credit Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:34] Strive’s SATA Announcement [00:01:15] Strategy Introduces Stream [00:15:37] MSTR Q3 Earnings Call Recap [00:36:10] ROC Dividends [00:42:02] Additional Highlights from Strategy Earnings Report

Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital Capital Oct 28, 2025 3228 Episode 33 - Credit Ratings for Digital Capital Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Strategy Gets a Credit Rating [00:12:43] How This Will Impact the Insurance Industry [00:21:50] Interest Coverage Ratio and Industry Credit Ratings [00:27:23] What Will It Take for Bitcoin Treasury Companies Credit Ratings to G

Episode 32 - Strategic Risk Taking Oct 22, 2025 3143 Episode 32 - Strategic Risk Taking Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:34] Recapping Tim’s Latest Bitcoin Treasuries Digital Conference [00:13:34] Sentiment vs Conviction with Bitcoin Treasury Companies [00:25:17] Why do Bitcoin Treasury Companies Exist? [00:38:18] Strategic Risk Taking

Episode 31 - The Digital Credit Landscape Oct 14, 2025 3646 Episode 31 - The Digital Credit Landscape Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:02:00] Crypto Crash of October 11 [00:21:11] Launching a Treasury Company from Zero [00:43:44] Deep Dive on Private Credit

Episode 30 - Focus on the Future Oct 7, 2025 2844 Episode 30 - Focus on the Future Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:20] Ben Werkman Joins Strive as CIO [00:18:07] Tribalism and Doubt in Bitcoin [00:32:47] The Fastest Growing ETF of All Time [00:35:03] CAMT - Corporate Alternative Minimum Tax [00:41:52] Uptober Getting Revved Up

Episode 29 - Bitcoin Supercycle Sep 30, 2025 3142 Episode 29 - Bitcoin Supercycle Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:24] Breaking News: Tim is All In and Dedicating His Life to Bitcoin [00:10:11] Bitcoin vs Other Store of Value Assets [00:21:41] Bitcoin Super Cycle? [00:26:30] Digital ID Rollout in the UK [00:41:00] Strategy Dividend Day

Episode 28 - The M&A Era has Begun Sep 23, 2025 3001 Episode 28 - The M&A Era has Begun Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:15] Strive Acquires Semler Scientific [00:19:39] The Impact of Meeting Bitcoiners in Person [00:26:40] Behind the Scenes of the Bitcoin Treasuries NYC Unconference with Tim [00:38:55] Operating with a Long Term View in Bitcoin

Episode 27 - The Starting Line Sep 16, 2025 3151 Episode 27 - The Starting Line Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:32] Strive Announces Board of Directors [00:29:57] Rate Cut on Wednesday? [0036:57] Bitcoin Treasuries Unconference [00:46:51] Options on the Prefs

Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early. Sep 9, 2025 2550 Episode 26 - Zoom Out. We're Early. Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:40] No Strategy in the S&P 500 [00:14:20] Michael Saylor Reframes the World of Risk [00:37:11] The Landscape of Strategy’s ATMs [00:40:58] Pierre’s Closing Thoughts

Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin Sep 3, 2025 2615 Episode 25 - Will Travel for Bitcoin Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:23] Recapping Bitcoin Asia [00:21:22] STRC Dividend Increases [00:34:13] Fed Independence and What Rates Should Do

Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity Stakes Aug 26, 2025 3537 Episode 24 - Fed Signals and Equity Stakes Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:45] Meet The Hurdle Rate’s First Guest Host, Avik Roy [00:02:44] Strive’s Major News Announcement [00:08:40] The Fed Symposium in Jackson Hole [00:29:59] Intel & The US Government [00:56:33] Update on Tim’s Unconference

Episode 23 - Noise in the Market Aug 19, 2025 3352 Episode 23 - Noise in the Market Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Trading Below 1 mNAV? [00:27:41] Gold Revaluation [00:36:51] Bitcoin Treasury Executive Compensation [00:42:10] Preferred Liquidation Preference

Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, Token Aug 13, 2025 3092 Episode 22 - Commodity, Security, Token Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:30] Bo Hines to the Private Sector [00:08:30] ETH Treasury Companies and Scale [00:31:57] Tim’s NYC Unconference [00:40:44] Strategy’s 5 Year Bitcoin Anniversary

Episode 21 - The Intelligent Leverage Trade: Winter Isn't Coming Back Aug 5, 2025 3502 Episode 21 - The Intelligent Leverage Trade: Winter Isn't Coming Back Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:34] Recapping MSTR Earnings Call [00:09:49] Strategy’s ATM Adjustment [00:21:00] MSTR’s Bitcoin Per Share [00:30:03] Only Look at Leverage Ratio [00:45:08] Could Bitcoin Treasury Companies Lead to the Next Bear

Episode 20 - Convert to IPO Jul 29, 2025 3146 Episode 20 - Convert to IPO Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:15] STRC IPO [00:13:07] Converts and MSTR Earnings Expectations [00:22:38] No ATM Usage from Strategy [00:37:30] US Trade Deal with EU [00:44:16] mNAV Indicator of Store of Value

Episode 19 - A Huge Wave of Capital isn't a STRC Jul 23, 2025 3246 Episode 19 - A Huge Wave of Capital isn't a STRC Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:23] - STRC - What Does It Mean to You? [00:20:54] - Real Estate Vs Perpetual Preferred Products [00:38:45] - Is Winter Coming Back? [00:50:25] - Ben Breaks The Top 20 [00:51:01] 351 and Joining the Strive Family

Episode 18 - Transparency is Not Priced In Jul 15, 2025 2869 Episode 18 - Transparency is Not Priced In Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. [00:00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:01:47] Strategy’s Latest Buy [00:08:25] Altcoin Treasury Companies? [00:18:58] AI’s Impact on Bitcoin Treasury Companies [00:25:17] Breaking Down ‘Analysts’ Estimates on MSTR [00:33:24] So Much for Sideways Summer? [00:37:51] The End of Earnings Volatility? [00:41:28] T

Episode 17 - Strategy hits their STRD Jul 8, 2025 2362 Episode 17 - Strategy hits their STRD Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00:00] - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:00:13] - Jeff’s Big Announcement [00:13:17] - What Does STRD Having an ATM Facility in the Market Mean to You? [00:19:19] - How Big Should a Company be Before Issuing Preferred Products? [00:32:42] - Elon Musk - “Fiat is Hopeless”

Episode 16 - Dividend Drip Jul 1, 2025 3094 Episode 16 - Dividend Drip Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:21] The Dividend Drip [07:38] Strategy Added to Russell Top 200 Value Index [13:16] Stock Market Hits All Time Highs [19:00] Bitcoin - Nothing Stops This Train [28:52] Will Investors Be Scared Off By This Recent Run? [50:35] Metaplanet Hits #5

Episode 15 - Billions in Bitcoin Treasuries Jun 24, 2025 3289 Episode 15 - Billions in Bitcoin Treasuries Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [01:16] Tim and Matt Recap BTC Prague [09:53] Where Can Bitcoin Treasury Companies Be 4 Years From Now? [24:39] Alt season [30:20] New Announcements in the Bitcoin Treasury Space [41:25] Aggression and The Digital Transformation of Investor Re

Episode 14 - The World's Evolving Jun 17, 2025 3051 Episode 14 - The World's Evolving Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bitcoin at Swan.com [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:30] Altcoin Treasury Strategy? [05:46] Is Chanos the Next Hurdle Rate Host? [14:31] Checking In on the US Dollar [25:57] Talking Your Own Bag [37:05] Saylor's Latest Bitcoin Buy & Explaining Strategy [46:54] Bitcoin's Resilience Amid Global Tens

Episode 13 - Building for Decades Jun 10, 2025 3309 Episode 13 - Building for Decades [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [01:29] What’s Going On with American Politics? [14:46] Bitcoin Treasury Companies as Tax Advantaged Perpetual Bitcoin Dividend Drips [20:02] The Upside in STRD [31:40] Is There Something Holding the Bond Market Back? [46:39] Thinking Through the Leverage Ratio of Strategy Thank you to our sponsor, Swan Bitcoin. We buy Bit

Episode 12 - Upgrade with Junk Grade Jun 3, 2025 2866 Episode 12 - Upgrade with Junk Grade [00:00] - Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:20] - STRD Announcement Reaction [29:40] - Has Bitcoin Peaked for this Cycle? [37:02] - James Wynn’s Wild Ride [38:40] - What Should the Bitcoin Interest Rate Be?

Episode 11 - People Are Dancing May 30, 2025 2517 Episode 11 - People Are Dancing [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:11] Recap of the Past Week [03:48] GameStop’s Bitcoin Treasury Announcement [16:24] True North Meetup in Vegas [22:22] Strive’s Big Announcement [39:07] Closing Thoughts

Episode 10 - Have Bitcoin, Get Money May 20, 2025 3473 Episode 10 - Have Bitcoin, Get Money [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:40] Another Big Buy for MSTR [17:11] Semler Scientific adds Natalie Brunell to their Board [26:55] Jamie Dimon’s Bitcoin comments [37:26] US Debt gets Downgraded [53:20] Class action lawsuit vs Strategy

Episode 9 - A Movement Has Started May 13, 2025 3041 Episode 9 - A Movement Has Started [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [02:14] The latest in the Bitcoin Treasury space [12:12] Being bold and having courage [28:00] Why are retail investors understanding Strategy’s playbook better than institutions? [34:46] What will be the main themes for investors to learn about? [49:00] Closing thoughts

Episode 8 - Strategy World Recap: A Revolution Ignited May 8, 2025 2044 Episode 8 - Strategy World Recap: A Revolution Ignited [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:34] - Strategy World Recap [07:10] - Strive’s Announcement [19:44] - How Michael Saylor utilized AI to create fixed income products [23:19] - Tim’s takeaways from the conference [26:52] - Ben’s conference breakdown [29:07] - Matt’s remarks on the conference [30:55] - Is Jeff a double or triple Maxi?

Episode 7 - Fully Torqued Bitcoin May 3, 2025 2948 Episode 7 - Fully Torqued Bitcoin [00:00] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [00:20] Strategy (MSTR) earnings call recap [01:39] 42/42 Capital Raising Plan [11:43] Permanent Leverage without Refinancing Risk [12:19] Seniority & Volatility of Strategy’s BTC-Backed Securities [17:38] Using BTC Risk for Credit Analysis [23:29] Strategy Liabilities and Capital Structure [33:53] BTC Torque [40:39] Cre

Episode 6 - Win or Win More Apr 29, 2025 3466 Episode 6 - Win or Win More [00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [01:15] MSTR Earnings [29:19] 21 Capital’s Announcement [41:10] Next week’s Bitcoin for Corporations Conference and MSTR True North World [43:25] What’s taking so long with GameStop? [49:47] Ray Dalio - Is it too late?

Episode 5 - DXY vs. Store of Value Assets Apr 23, 2025 3175 Episode 5 - DXY vs. Store of Value Assets [00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [01:26] DXY Breakdown [22:51] Gold vs Bitcoin as the Hurdle Rate [36:59] Interest rates and stagflation [48:00] Strategy, Metaplanet, and Bitcoin dominance

Episode 4 - Bitcoin Portfolio Theory Apr 16, 2025 4006 Episode 4 - Bitcoin Portfolio Theory [00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [01:30] Catching up on economic news from the last week [24:15] Jeff’s Monte Carlo simulations [43:13] Matt and Strive’s engagement with Intuit [53:30] Strategy’s mNAV [01:03:41] Closing thoughts

Episode 3 - Negotiating with Penguins Apr 9, 2025 3325 Episode 3 - Negotiating with Penguins [00:30] Welcome Back to The Hurdle Rate [01:20] Tariffs are based on deficits, right? [21:18] What position is the US workforce in to absorb these changes? [31:10] Universal Basic Income [39:40] Should we expect more volatility in the market? [43:05] How does all of this impact Bitcoin? [51:59] What is the path out of this?

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