The Grind Line - A Detroit Red Wings Podcast
The Grind Line Podcast 413 episodes Nov 4, 2026
The Grind Line is a bi-weekly podcast about the Detroit Red Wings and news from around the NHL. The hosts share their own opinions and analysis of the team. They note that their views are not representative of the Detroit Red Wings organization. Listeners can follow the show on social media and rate or review it on Spotify and Apple Podcasts.
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Red Wings Beat Panthers, MBN’s Historic Start & Brisson Sass | Ep. 416
The Red Wings beat the Florida Panthers on the first half of a back-to-back, and Greg and Ryan record with the Tampa game still going. They start with Pierre LeBrun’s report that Pat Brisson turned down Shawn Horcoff’s request to expand Dylan Larkin’s list, why Horcoff holds the leverage, and Brandon Hagel’s comments on players requesting trades. They also dig into the Simon Edvinsson angles, from
Larkin Will Never Play for the Red Wings Again | Ep. 415
Episode 415. Dylan Larkin’s agent, Pat Brisson, told Shawn Horcoff that Larkin will no longer play for the Red Wings, and the team responded by suspending him without pay. Greg and Ryan break down the Red Wings’ statement, Brisson’s statement, Darren Dreger’s report that CAA believes trades on the 10-team list were close, and Horcoff’s press conference.
They cover Larkin’s season so far, how Emmit
Postava Makes a Statement in Edmonton + Griffins Prospect Report | Ep. 414
The Red Wings beat the Edmonton Oilers in a shootout, and Michal Postava makes a statement in his first NHL start. Greg and special guest Brandon from the Hockeytown West Podcast break down 25 saves, the Dominik Hasek comparison, and what it means for the goalie picture with John Gibson, Daniil Tarasov, and the trade of Sebastian Cossa. Also: Moritz Seider shutting down Connor McDavid, and Michael
Larkin’s 10-Team Trade List & Finnie Takes Over at 1C | Ep. 413
Dylan Larkin’s trade list now has 10 teams on it, and Greg and Tyler go through each one: Florida, Minnesota, Vegas, Dallas, Washington, Carolina, Utah, Tampa Bay, New Jersey, and Colorado. They sort out who has the cap space, who has the prospects Detroit would want, and why Utah looks like the best fit. Plus Jim Devellano’s “kissed and made up” comment, John Buccigross saying a deal is coming wi
Alex DeBrincat Extends as Losses Pile Up | Ep. 412
The Red Wings lose 5-4 in overtime to New Jersey and sit 1-3-2, but the night brings the first real good news of the season: Alex DeBrincat is signing a seven-year, $91 million extension. Greg, Ryan and Tyler go through the contract details, the no-trade protection, and why DeBrincat, Emmett Finney and Michael Brandsegg-Nygård (all four Detroit goals against New Jersey) are the best thing about th
Larkin Returns in a Win, Ilitch Control Report | Ep. 411
The Red Wings beat Ottawa with Dylan Larkin back in the lineup and no C on his jersey. Greg and Ryan break down the night: Larkin booed on every touch, then named first star after a goal and an assist, two goals from Alex DeBrincat, three assists from Lucas Raymond, Justin Faulk’s 500th point, and Emmitt Finnie dropping the gloves for the first time.
They also dig into the rookies. Anton Johansson
Edvinsson Mulling Trade, Red Wings Start 0-2 | Ep. 410
Simon Edvinsson is still in Sweden, the Red Wings are 0-2, and now there are reports he might want out. Greg and Ryan go through the four reports from October 5th, including Elliotte Friedman's update, Chris Johnson's report that the first contract offer didn't come until mid-September, and Dave Pagnotta's number on the six-year pitch that Greg says falls well short of the market.
Before that, Kri
Edvinsson Still Unsigned, Red Wings' 23-Man Roster | Ep. 409
Three days before puck drop, Simon Edvinsson still doesn't have a locker in the Red Wings dressing room. Greg and Tyler break down the contract standoff, the reported $9-10 million ask, the bridge-deal rumors, and why locking up a 23-year-old, 6'6" defenseman shouldn't be this hard.
Then the 23-man opening night roster is out. Full breakdown of the lines and pairings, the center depth problems up
Dan Cleary Promoted, Goalie Duel in Columbus, & MBN and Anton Shine | Ep. 408
Preseason hockey is finally on the TV, and Greg and Ryan cover two games worth of storylines. First: reports that Dan Cleary is taking over as Grand Rapids GM while Shawn Horcoff runs Detroit as interim. What it actually means, and why the "who has Cleary developed" question has a longer answer than people give it credit for.
Then the games. A goalie duel in Columbus that ended in a scoreless shoo
Horcoff's Interim Tag, Dylan Larkin's Wild Presser, & Todd McLellan Delivers | Ep. 407
Shawn Horcoff gets named interim GM two months into the search, and it plays like a fallback after Chris Ilitch's first choice said no. Greg and Ryan break down what Horcoff actually confirmed about Edvinsson and DeBrincat, and how an eighteen-minute presser still managed to say almost nothing.
Then Dylan Larkin sits down for his first media session since requesting a trade and gives no explanatio
Scott White, Dylan Larkin, & Wings Prospects | Ep. 406
Dylan Larkin finally has a statement, and it says nothing. Greg and Ryan break down why his training camp comments changed nothing about the trade request, and why the Red Wings stripped the captaincy heading into the 2026-27 season with still no general manager hired. The team put out three separate statements this week - camp attendance, the trade request, and the captaincy - and none of them mo
A GM decision made? Finally some good news for the Red Wings | Ep. 405
The GM searchmight have an answer. Nobody's saying who yet. Greg is joined by Jake Rivard from Octopus Thrower to break down what they're hearing on the Red Wings GM decision, why Alex DeBrincat's comments this week should calm some nerves, and why the Zeev Buium contract just made Simon Edvinsson a lot more expensive. Plus Dylan Larkin's media blackout and a moment for Barry Melrose.
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GM Search Update + How To Fix No Trade Clauses | Ep. 404
Greg and Ryan return with GM search updates on Brett Peterson and Jeff Kealty, plus a wild report that Chris Ilitch may have personally blocked a Steven Stamkos signing. Then, with Connor Hellebuyck's trade request making headlines alongside Dylan Larkin's, they break down how NHL no-trade clauses actually work and pitch real fixes for how the next CBA could rework them.
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Mailbag: Search Firm Named, Larkin Won't Budge | Ep. 403
Mailbag episode. Greg and Ryan cover the GM search update with Turnkey/ZRG Partners hired, the latest on Dylan Larkin's unchanged trade request, then dig into your questions on Albert Johansson's ceiling, whether the Wings could finish dead last, Todd McClellan's coaching style, and draft/free agency scenarios for 2027.
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Search Firm Hired, Ilitch & Larkin Still Silent | Ep. 402
Ryan's back from a couple weeks away and a search firm has officially been hired to find the next GM, reportedly targeting an analytics-first hire as the anti-Yzerman. We break down the training camp timeline crunch, the confusion around Shawn Horcoff's role, the pressing need to lock up Simon Edvinsson, and why Chris Ilitch's continued silence, paired with steep ticket price hikes, is wearing on
Red Wings GM Search Won't Be Quick | Ep. 401
Whoever steps in as the next General Manager of the Detroit Red Wings has a ton of work to do. Carlo from Hockeytown Rundown joins the show to talk about decisions the next guy has to make, rebuilding the locker room, who still needs to go, and what the lineup is looking like going into next season.
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Sayonara Showtime: Patrick Kane Leaves the Red Wings | Ep. 400
Patrick Kane is a Blackhawk again. Jake Rivard from Octopus Thrower react to the signing, dig into what it means for Alex DeBrincat's future in Detroit, and revisit the theory linking Dylan Larkin's trade request to Steve Yzerman's exit. Then they each make the case for an outside-the-box Red Wings GM candidate: Sam Ventura of the Sabres and Evan Gold of the Providence Bruins. Plus, Dylan Larkin's
The End of the Yzerplan | Ep. 399
Steve Yzerman has stepped down as General Manager and President of Hockey Operations of the Detroit Red Wings, shifting into an advisory role under owner Chris Ilitch.
We dig into why the timing is so unusual and whether the Dylan Larkin trade request played a role in the decision, and what this means for the team going forward, while answering your questions and going through a few options for re
Will Steve Yzerman Pay Up? | Ep. 398
Simon Edvinsson doesn't have a contract yet, and the offer sheet rumors are already swirling. We break down his development, whether Detroit matches an offer from a team like Carolina, and what it would cost. Then it's Elliotte Friedman's 32 Thoughts, Yzerman's spending patterns, the Alex DeBrincat extension question, and the Dylan Larkin saga takes another turn as his trade list still hasn't expa
Free Agency Wins for Yzerman? | Ep. 397
Steve Yzerman hits the free agent market on day 1 and picks up Viktor Arvidsson and Daniil Tarasov. Then he goes out and adds muscle by trading for Keegan Kolesar. Are these winning moves, and who is left out there?
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Red Wings Draft Haul & Dev Camp Surprise | Ep. 396
The Red Wings trade Sebastian Cossa and buck the 2-way low ceiling trend at the draft table with high offense prospect JP Hurlbert. Plus Yzerman speaks on Larkin, a surprise high-end Russian comes to dev camp, and the trash patch gone?
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Making Minor Moves | Ep. 395
The Dylan Larkin cloud still hangs over the Red Wings, but they do sign William Wallinder and, in a sad move, send Amadeus Lombardi to the New Jersey Devils.
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The NHL Buyout Window & Mike Babcock | Ep. 394
The PWHL Detroit team had a packed venue for their first draft, where they finally got their goalie. We chat about the results, the NHL buyout window opens, more Larkin bluster, and the unfortunate return of Mike Babcock.
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Life after Dylan Larkin | Ep. 393
After giving it the weekend to sink in, Jake Rivard from Octopus Thrower joins us to evaluate how Yzerman moves forward, how the Wings could come out better in the end, and what a return for Dylan Larkin might look like.
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Dylan Larkin has Requested a Trade - Emergency Pod
Elliotte Friedman, followed by the rest of the hockey world, has reported that Dylan Larkin has requested a trade out of Detroit. We give our snap reactions to the news, as well as possible destinations if they choose to move him.
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The Red Wings' Stanley Cup Checklist | Ep. 392
Moritz Seider places 5th in Norris voting, Wings take off at the World Championship, and the Wings' Stanley Cup Checklist dropped. What do they need to get back into the playoffs?
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NHL Threats & Prospect Progress| Ep. 391
We send our condolences to the family and friends of Claude Lemieux on his sudden passing. The NHL has "reminded" teams about tampering after the Blackhawks were caught shopping a pending UFA. Plus, more Red Wings' prospects just keep winning!
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Griffins' Win & Contract Talks | Ep. 390
Michael Brandsegg-Nygard gives the Griffins life with a 4-3 OT beauty that can only be described as Datsyukian. Then Evolving Hockey drops their new contract projections. What do the Wings stand to make? Plus ridiculous Dylan Larkin rumors.
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Moritz Seider Norris Snub | Ep. 389
Moritz Seider was arguably the best defenseman in the league defensively while being in top 15 in offense, but was not a Norris finalist. Let's be mad about it. Plus some Griffin's standouts and Max Plante at the World Championship!
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The Patrick Kane Linchpin | Ep. 388
Does the signing of Patrick Kane chart the course of the entire offseason? We chat the positives and negatives of bringing Kane back, plus the mystery announcement set for Wednesday. Is the PWHL on the way to Detroit?
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Yzerman Speaks & Griffins Updates | Ep. 387
Brandon Cooke from The Hockeytown West Podcast and Jake Rivard from Octopus Thrower jump on the show to chat through Steve Yzerman's post-season press conference, where the tone set was get good or get gone. Then we break down some of the future Wings that are going to help the Griffins in their quest for the Calder Cup!
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The 2025-26 Detroit Red Wings Eulogy | Ep. 386
The 2025-26 season is over for the Detroit Red wings and we are doing our end of season eulogy. What went right, what went wrong, and what do they do now? Plus we answer some of your questions to cap off our 9th season!
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The Red Wings Choke It All Away | Ep. 385
The 2025-26 season ends on an expected note, a blown lead loss to the Devils, at home, on Fan Appreciation night. What went wrong? Plus some positive news on the prospect front.
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Some More Outside Noise | Ep. 384
The Detroit Red Wings' playoff picture is getting bleaker with 2 big losses over the weekend, and the players are giving into the "outside noise." Will they crumble because people are being mean online, or will they rise up and win out? Plus, the Wings were never in on Robert Thomas?
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Where is the Disconnect with the Red Wings? | Ep. 383
The Wings play a fantastic 2 periods to beat the Buffalo Sabres then come out cold and disinterested, dropping a game to the Flyers. In a theme that is becoming far too common, where is the disconnect? Plus an update on some prospects coming over!
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Is the Yzerplan Still on Track? | Ep. 382
The Wings pull out a win against Montreal but lose the goalie battle to Boston, now many are questioning the Yzerplan. Could the injection of Dylan Larkin get them back in the win column and is the Yzerplan still on track?
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The Scrappy Red Wings? | Ep. 381
The Wings take the league's best Dallas Stars to OT and win big against the Flames as they stay in the playoff race in the East. How are guys like Finnie and Shine showing up and can they continue to string together points?
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Just A Bunch of Jerseys | Ep. 380
With news that Larkin & Copp will be out for weeks, a bunch of uninspired players, and a 4-1 loss to the Lightning, how can the Red Wings beat the odds and break their playoff drought when it seemed like a sure thing?
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Wings Decimated by Injury | Ep. 379
The Wings barely hold on to a playoff spot after a shutout of the New Jersey Devils, followed by an embarassing blown game to the Florida Panthers. They also lose Copp to injury, decimating their center depth. How can they move forward with that big of a blow to their roster?
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Steve Yzerman Makes A Trade Deadline Splash | Ep. 378
Steve Yzerman makes a trade deadline splash fans have been asking for by bringing Justin Faulk to the Detroit Red Wings. What did they give up, and how does it make the team better? Plus, we react to the Yzerman presser!
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The Wings Split Games | Ep. 377
The Red Wings lose big to the Carolina Hurricanes, then mount a comeback on a Monday afternoon against Nashville. What was the difference between the games and who stood out?
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Detroit Red Wings Hockey is Back! | Ep. 376
Dylan Larkin continues to soar as he scores the Red Wings' only 2 goals to lift the team to an overtime win against the Ottawa Senators. How did the return of Simon Edvinsson help get them there, and some more trade rumors are out there!
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Dylan Larkin is the Heart of Team USA | Ep. 375
Dylan Larkin and Team USA bring home the gold after an intense match against Team Canada. After being described as the heart and soul of the team, can Larkin spark the same energy with the Red Wings down the stretch?
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Preseason Prediction Payoff? Feat. Locked On Red Wings | Ep. 374
Greg and Ryan are joined by Brian Fisher and Scotty Bentley from Locked On Red Wings to break down Detroit’s preseason predictions — and how they’ve actually played out.
From Marco Kasper’s tough year to Lucas Raymond’s superstar breakout, we’re revisiting the receipts and grading ourselves on everything we said back in October.
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Can Rest Reset the Rookies? | Ep. 373
Can the Olympic break help reset guys like Emmitt Finnie and Axel Sandin-Pellikka for the stretch to the playoffs? Then we take a look at Vincent Trockeck and Mika Zibanejad, which makes more sense for Steve Yzerman at the deadline?
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Olympic Wins for the Wings | Ep. 372
Dylan Larkin, Moritz Seider, and Lucas Raymond all pick up Olympic wins for their respective countries. What gives their teams the leg up over countries like Italy and Slovakia? Plus, which players have to step up post-break to ensure a Wings playoff berth?
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The Detroit Red Wings Crawl to the Olympic Break | Ep. 371
The Detroit Red Wings crawl their way into Olympic break going 1-3-1 in the last 5. Where has the offense gone and is Simon Edvinsson that much of a difference maker?
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The Wings Keep Winning & A Mailbag | Ep. 370
Beating the Winnipeg Jets keeps the Detroit Red Wings near the top of the league. We take your questions on trade targets, GR promotions, and where priorities should lie at the deadline!
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Red Wings' Back-to-Back Chaos | Ep. 369
The Red Wings secure 3 points in a road back-to-back against the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Minnesota Wild. They have played some of the most back-to-back games in the league, but only have 2 left to close the season while teams around them are going to face a gauntlet. Is this a chance to create a buffer in the standings?
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The 8 Game Stretch to Olympic Break | Ep. 368
There are 8 games left before the Olympic Break and the Detroit Red Wings are still tied with Tampa atop the Atlantic. What do they have to do to keep pace and what trades could be made with Kiefer Sherwood and Rasmus Andersson now off the market?
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Red Wings' Legend Sergei Fedorov's 91 Retired | Ep. 367
In an emotional night, the Detroit Red Wings finally send Sergei Fedorov's 91 to the rafters before continuing their winning streak against the Carolina Hurricanes. Andrew Copp, Lucas Raymond, and JVR are on fire.
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500 Goals for Patrick Kane | Ep. 366
Patrick Kane finally hits the 500 goal milestone in a 5-1 win over the Vancouver Canucks. Does this remove some of the pressure and did we get to see the play of a future Red Wing in Kiefer Sherwood?
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Way Too Early Trade Chat? | Ep. 365
The Wings bounce back against the Senators after a pretty miserable weekend. But could some trades be on the horizon with the long Olympic break looming? We chat about some targets to help boost the team!
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Simon Edvinsson's Surge | Ep. 364
The Detroit Red Wing's split the back-to-back with a loss to Carolina and a win against the Leafs. Their ability to battle back is one of the stark differences that mark the 1 year mark of the Todd McLellan takeover. Plus Simon Edvinsson has taken huge development leaps in a short time.
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The Detroit Red Wings Sit Atop the Atlantic | Ep. 363
The Detroit Red Wings sweep a 4-point weekend against the Washington Capitals to stay 1st in the Atlantic and 2nd in the East. How has the play of guys like Seider, Gibson, and now Talbot helped them keep pace, and what does the team have to do to make 2026 a success?
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Berggren Blues & Leonard Debuts | Ep. 362
Or friends Nick and Brandon from the Hockeytown West Podcast hop on the break down Berggren to the Blues, the rise and recall of John Leonard, and what's powering the Grand Rapids Griffins' monster season, including Sebastian Cossa!
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Finding Success on the Road | Ep. 361
The Red Wings log a win against the Calgary Flames and drop the second game of the back-to-back to the Edmonton Oilers. Both games had similar themes with different results. How have the Wings been able to find success on the road, picking up 7 of a possible 10 points so far?
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Red Wings Stay in the Hunt | Ep. 360
2 strong road performances, highlighted by a John Gibson shutout, keep the Red Wings toward the top of an insane Atlantic Division. What has changed to help them keep pace?
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Moritz Seider's Dominance | Ep. 359
The bottom pair may be trouble for the Detroit Red Wings, but few defensemen have been as dominant as Moritz Seider this season. How has he stayed so hot, and could a Quinn Hughes trade fix the defense as a whole?
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Stop the Bleeding | Ep. 358
The overtime loss to the Boston Bruins made it an L4. What do the Red Wings need to do to stop the bleeding and get back in the win column?
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Playoffs by Thanksgiving? | Ep. 357
The Red Wings are still in a playoff spot with 1 more game before Thanksgiving. Can they hold on with a win against the Predators to reach that milestone? Should Travis Hamonic sit to give recently recalled Gustafsson some ice time?
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Do the Red Wings have a Gibson Problem? | Ep. 356
We thought we had a clear starting goaltender, but through 21 games, the results tell a different story. Do the Red Wings have a Gibson Problem, and is it time to see what Cossa is made of?
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Red Wings Need to Shake Up the Lineup | Ep. 355
After 2 embarrassing home losses to the Rangers and Blackhawks, where the Wings couldn't bury the puck, some changes need to be made. We chat about a possible shakeup to help jumpstart the offense and how rookie Nate Danielson could help make it happen.
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Road Trip Wrap-up & Trouble with the Bottom 6 | Ep. 354
The Red Wings meet expectations on the road, going 3-2 with a really well-fought game against Vegas. But is there trouble brewing with their bottom 6 and a lack of production even though the chances are there for the 4th line?
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Red Wings Best Start in 15 Years? | Ep. 353
The Red Wings figure it out on the road and are 9-4-0, the best start since the 2010-11 season. What is fueling this run, and is their play style and start sustainable?
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A Tale of Two Games (In One) | Ep. 352
The Red Wings played a bad/good game in a 6-4 win against the St. Louis Blues. I perform witchcraft to help Alex Debrincat score, and a rookie has been sent to GR. Who might be called up to replace him?
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Red Wings' Massive Road Failures | Ep. 351
The Detroit Red Wings have now been embarrassed in 2 straight road games. Sloppy defense, shaky goaltending, and an overall lack of effort have led to critical breakdowns. How do they come back as they make their way back home to face St. Louis?
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Are the Detroit Red Wings a Wagon? | Ep. 350
Big wins against the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Edmonton Oilers on the backs of Dylan Larkin and John Gibson push the Wings to the top of the Eastern Conference. We also get some rookie first goals, but is their performance sustainable?
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Appleton & Special Teams Create Wings' Wins | Ep. 349
With Lucas Raymond still day to day, Mason Appleton has relished in his top line assignment, scoring 3 goals while providing some grit and a win against the Florida Panthers. The improved PP and PK have also powered the Wings past some tough matchups.
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Red Wings Win the Weekend | Ep. 348
After an abysmal home opener loss to the Montreal Canadiens, the Wings pick the pieces up and hand the Toronto Maple Leafs back-to-back losses. The wins, however, result in a key injury that could heavily impact the team going forward.
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3 Red Wings' Rookies Make the Roster! | Ep. 347
Against some pretty long odds, Axel-Sandin Pellikka, Michael Brandsegg-Nygard, and Emmitt Finnie have made the Red Wings' final 23-man roster. What do they bring to their assumed lines to help elevate this team?
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Red Wings Cut the Roster Down to 25 | Ep. 346
The Red Wings roster has been cut down to 25 players, and some notable names remain! Plus, in the first of 2 dress rehearsal games, the Wings steamroll the Maple Leafs.
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Preseason Pain & Roster Projections | Ep. 345
The Red Wings hit a losing skid in the very compact preseason, but the Emmitt Finnie of it all remains the same. Plus we break down Max Bultman's recent mid-preseason roster projection and changes we would make!
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2 Dominant Wings Wins & NHL26 ft. Legorocks99 | Ep. 344
Gio Palermo, better known as Legorocks99, joins the show to discuss the Wings' dominant 3-2 win over the Chicago Blackhawks, standout performances from guys like Emmitt Finnie & Nate Danielson, and what's new in EA's NHL26!
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On to the Pre-Season! | Ep. 343
Training camp wrapped up with a Red & White game in Grand Rapids. We break down the standouts and how they may factor into the roster this season!
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Prospects Shine in Dallas | Ep. 342
The Red Wings revealed the centennial jersey, and it is perfect. Plus the prospects took to the ice in Dallas. Who stood out and who still needs to put in some work in Grand Rapids?
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Red Wings' Team Identity & Prospect Ambitions | Ep. 341
Dylan Larkin defines the team on a recent Tigers' broadcast, and Jake Rivard from 313 Hockey jumps on to discuss the prospect tournament & training camp!
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Dylan Larkin & the Red Wings' Top 6 | Ep. 340
Dylan Larkin has been named one of the top 20 centers in the league. What does he have to do this season to push the Red Wings forward? We cover that and what the top 6 around him could look like!
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Wings Send Fedorov's #91 to the Rafters! | Ep. 339
The Detroit Red Wings will finally retire Sergei Fedorov's #91! Plus, the USA Men's Olympic Hockey invites have been sent out, and there seems to be a snub.
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Could the Red Wings Trade Cossa? | Ep. 338
The Edmonton Oilers are looking for a goalie and have reportedly called on Sebastian Cossa. Could he be on the move? Plus we take a look at some quotes from the recent Pavel Datsyuk interview!
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