ExoAcademian
ExoAcademian is the umbrella for Darren King's podcasts, including Point of Convergence and Liminal Phrames. It explores interrelated paranormal and consciousness phenomena such as UFOs, alien abductions, psi abilities, near-death and out-of-body experiences, interdimensionality and high strangeness. Beyond describing these events, the show examines how they may connect as contact modalities rooted in an entangled Consciousness. It also draws out the metaphysical implications of that idea for the nature of reality. New episodes are released weekly.
Episodes
LP 095 - Civilization at a Crossroads
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan engage with revelations that emerged from a recent interview with David Grusch, while also addressing the bifurcation we're seeing within the UFO community around how some of those very revelations call into question conventional notions of reality.
PoC 141 - Tracing the Mantis Mandate
The general public is now beginning to hear talk of "the beings." While one has to be cautious about assigning a hierarchy to NHI, anecdotal reports frequently place mantis beings near or at the top. Who are they? What are their aims? And how do these questions lead to even more foundational questions, ones society is perhaps not ready to address?
LP 094 - Disclosure Through a Developmental Lens
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan bring a developmental lens to the issue of UFO disclosure. What happens when entirely different worldviews encounter these revelations? How will science and religion handle this differently? And in the participatory reality we're a part of, how will this collective experience change our world?
PoC 140 - The Spiral & the Singularity
Via AI, we're at the dawn of a new world—one demonstrating an NHI presence. We also face a meta-crisis, even as the veil behind the construct is being exposed. How might this all be downstream of the same spiraling motion toward Singularity and a metaphysical turn revolving around the evolution of consciousness?
LP 093 - When Reality Exceeds Expectations
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan reflect on a series of recent interviews of key disclosure players, unpacking the implications for a realityscape that exceeds both the general public's expectations and perhaps even the collective imagination.
PoC 139 - Attractors & Nonlocal Mind
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we delve into the implications of Robert Falconer’s The Others Within Us, which details an investigation into the nature of non-human, non-corporeal presences who take up residence within the human psyche.
LP 092 - The Nexus of the Now
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, we consider how a host of co-arising elements within our shared experience—including AI, NHI, geopolitics, geophysics, etc. —are symptomatic of a deeper pattern perhaps approaching the apex of a cycle.
PoC 138 - Ten Days & Multiple Lives
In this episode of PoC, we dive back into Alec Newald's CoEvolution, which aims to frame the phenomenon not as a series of encounters with visitors from elsewhere, but as evidence of a much larger evolutionary drama unfolding within the structure of reality.
LP 091 - Revelations Hiding in Plain Sight
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan sync up the current public conversation around UFO/UAP disclosure with the surprisingly coherent and consistent details arising from abduction and hybridization accounts. What if we know more than is being publicly acknowledged?
PoC 137 - A History of Shared Worlds
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we delve into a contact case that pulls together numerous strands from the lore, perhaps offering clues to the larger narrative about humanity’s relationship with NHI, and raising the question: are we talking about aliens, or something closer to neo-humans?
LP 090 - The Architecture of Experience
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan lay out a metaphysical architecture that can comfortably situate ETs, interdimensionals, and daemons—including angels and demons. To embrace this, though, Western society in particular is going to have to collapse and transcend existing categories.
PoC 136 - Doors Into Transcendence
In this episode of PoC, we delve into part 2 of the Betty Andreasson case, an account that thoroughly blurs the line between a nuts-and-bolts UFO abduction and a mystical journey into unity consciousness. Equal parts highly strange and deeply profound.
PoC 135 - Of Aliens and Archetypes
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we do a deep dive into the Betty Andreasson UFO/NHI abduction case. This is one of the most confounding yet perhaps simultaneously revealing cases in the history of ufology, blurring the lines between contact and NDE-like experiences.
LP 089 - A Confluence of Metaphysical Patterning
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan go where the current societal conversation around UFOs and NHI has yet to go: into questions around the abduction and hybridization phenomenon. What’s happening, and how is it more complex and multifaceted than most people are ready to metabolize?
PoC 134 - The Avatars of Cosmic Mind
In this episode of Poc, we take a deep dive into my most recent journey “outside the construct,” considering the implications for experiences with gods, NHI, and the refracted self streaming into spacetime from a superstructure of Consciousness.
LP 088 - Minding the World Into Being
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan catch up on a smorgasbord of recent developments around the UFO/UAP topic, before delving into aspects of the Phenomenon that will prove the most confounding to newcomers just now stumbling across this reality.
PoC 133 - Of Wanderers & Volunteers
In this episode of PoC, we shine a light on a shift in planetary consciousness — including the relationship between psi, non-dual awakening, genetics, embodiment, and anomalous contact — through the lens of the Ra Contact, Dolores Cannon, and Barbara Marciniak material.
LP 087 - Real Aliens & Virtual Realities
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan adopt a 30,000 foot view, asking how seeing reality as a construct within Mind changes how we think about aliens, the world, and—perhaps most importantly—ourselves.
PoC 132 - An Ecology of the Strange
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we explore why co-arising clusters of paranormal phenomena appear in places like Skinwalker Ranch. What should we gather from the BAAS/AAWSAP material, which points to perceptual, environmental, and consciousness-linked anomalies rather than isolated aerial objects—aka UFOs?
LP 086 - Aliens, Ambiguity & "False Flags"
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan assess the notion of a "false flag" surrounding a coming alien threat. What underlies the idea, and how it might be presented to consolidate human power?
PoC 131 - Intervention & Intercession
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we delve into William Bramley’s The Gods of Eden, which argues that recurring patterns of conflict and belief systems are not purely human-driven, but instead reflect long-term influence from hidden external intelligences. Using a bottom-up pattern recognition approach, Bramley attempts to expose the deeper structure at play.
LP 085 - The Ontology of Encounters
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan dig into the ontological status of "beings" in contact reports. Persistent agents, symbolic projections, or dynamically instantiated interfaces—what are we actually encountering?
PoC 130 - Horizons of the Hyperplane
In this episode of PoC, we do a deep dive into the emerging common ground where esoterica and leading-edge science meet. What if this is less about a vast cosmos simply populated with spacefarers, and more about a layered realityscape rife with meaning and diverse forms of consciousness?
LP 084 - Of Prophecy & Prognostication
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore a key intersection between the UFO phenomenon and religious history: prophecy—specifically, future-telling delivered by beings seemingly arising from beyond spacetime.
PoC 129 - Strangeness in Pt. Pleasant
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we delve into John Keel's The Mothman Prophecies. UFOs; Mothman; Men in Black. John Keel investigated events that were both seemingly absurd yet verifiably happening. What exactly happened in and around Pt. Pleasant, WV, and what does it mean?
LP 083 - The Seeds of Consciousness
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan explore the relationship between alien and human genetics. What if reality renders differently based on genetic factors — and how might the military exploit this? Furthermore, what if power structures trace back to lineages installed by NHI?
PoC 128 - The Engineers of Humanity
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we do a deep dive into the genetic and historical evidence, alongside ancient cultural lore, suggesting an interventionary NHI role in human development, including factioning and disagreements among different NHI groups regarding the human project.
LP 082 - Parsing the Impossible
In this episode of Liminal Phrames, Darren/Exo and Nathan apply the extraterrestrial, interdimensional, cryptoterrestrial/ultraterrestrial and psychosocial hypotheses to the perplexing nature of the UFO Phenomenon data, showing how their failure to make sense of the full range of experience points to a flawed model of reality.
PoC 127 - Traversing Veils of Density
Deep in the UFO lore is the notion not only of telepathic contact, but of the channeling of intelligences in and beyond spacetime. Pursuant to that aspect, in this episode of PoC we delve into the precursor to the Ra Contact, with the book Voices of the Confederation.
PoC 126 - Weaving a Fabric of Reality
In this episode of PoC, we consider what it means when rigorous, unsentimental science pushes far enough into the unknown that it collides with something best described as magic. In what sense is psi a contemporary expression of ancient alchemy? Dean Radin’s latest work ventures directly into that territory, and so do we.
PoC 125 - Scouting a Meandering Path
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we celebrate 5 Years of PoC with a retrospective journey laying out the strange, profound, and ever more consequential revelations that have emerged in this quest for ultimate understanding.
PoC 124 - The Nature of Synchronicity
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we explore the uncanny phenomenon of synchronicity—what it is, how to engage with it, and what kind of reality it may be pointing toward. What role does the higher self play here, and might this indicate an interplay between different levels of reality?
PoC 123 - The Kosmic Holomovement
In this episode of PoC, we re-trace the steps that led to the realization—in both physics and neuroscience—that reality functions like a hologram. What are the implications this holds for the paranormal, psi phenomena, and interdimensional interactions with NHI?
PoC 122 - Indigenous NHI Encounters
In this episode of Point of Convergence we're back for another engagement with Ardy Sixkiller Clarke's catalog of the contact experiences of indigenous peoples. These accounts are informative not just in how they mirror "mainstream" accounts, but also in how they differ.
PoC 121 - The Architecture of Aeons
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we explore what it means to "escape the Matrix." Join me as I break down the perspective I've gained from five journeys beyond this construct. What are the implications when "outer space" is found within "inner space?" Is this the key to human liberation?
PoC 120 - In, Through & Beyond Time
In this episode of PoC, Darren tackles a key aspect of the high strangeness that is part and parcel of the Phenomenon: the anomalous experience of time. What do we make sense of beings who both say "we are from your future" and—in other contexts—"time is not real?" And how are we to make sense of the temporal anomalies people report experiencing? Finally, how might the picture shift in a conscious
PoC 119 - Penetrating Psychic Veils
Psionics, non-human intelligences, and vast—largely untapped—human potential have become increasingly and inextricably linked. Ingo Swann stood at the forefront of this nexus. Prepare for a deep dive into his books Star Fire and Penetration.
PoC 118 - Charting the Gnostic Path
In this episode of Point of Convergence, Darren/Exo asks: why does this gnostic notion of our waking experience not being ultimately real prove so enduring? Why does some version of this perspective show up over and over again within human experience; evident in everything from Vedanta to Buddhism to Jungian depth psychology? Perhaps even more compellingly—at least to modern ears—why are elements
PoC 117 - From Abduction to Agency
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we explore the reality-expanding implications of one woman's contact experiences, including her successful attempt to remain fully conscious in an abduction experience—with the help of the very NHI beings she once feared.
PoC 116 - A Hall of Mirrors Re-visited
In this episode of Point of Convergence, we explore how anomalous experiences—UFO/NHI encounters, synchronicities, altered states, psi phenomena, etc.—are playing a transformative, grassroots role in steering Western perspectives along more shamanic lines. Is this incidental, or by design?
PoC 115 - Refractions of the Deep Self
Since the dawn of what has come to be colloquially referred to as the modern UFO Phenomenon, two very divergent aspects have emerged to create a situation that appears—on the face of it—utterly irreconcilable. On the one hand, this phenomenon is supported by evidence gathered in what we call “the real world”, that is to say “physical reality”. This evidence includes radar returns, electromagnetic
PoC 114 - Seeping from the Periphery
UFOs & NHI operate at the fringe of human awareness. A key question is: why? Is this an indicator of an anti-human agenda? Or, might the very questions we're asking—framed by binary thinking—be leading us to miss the forest for the proverbial trees? Furthermore, what if the unquestioned axioms of the dominant Western paradigm make it the least likely to apprehend the overarching reality?
PoC 113 - Into the Subsuming Realm
Throughout the history of ufology, researchers have been attempting to make sense of both the technology and the nature of the intelligences behind the anomalous phenomena that have been observed and interacted with. Inevitably, those researchers have ended up looking to emerging human science and technology for potential understanding. And so, not surprisingly, leading conceptions of what the UFO
PoC 112 - Humanity at a Crossroads
Throughout the course of this podcast we’ve been weaving together topics often discussed in isolation; topics including UFOs, psychic phenomena, and near-death experiences, among others. Research into these topics not only shows that they overlap–in terms of who experiences them and how they are changed as a result–but they also all point to a particular kind of reality-scape: one composed of, for
PoC 111 - Contours of the Construct
Whenever we reach certain watershed moments within ufology, a whole new contingent of interested parties tend to enter the fray, after some new public revelation has convinced them that there really is a “there there’” after all. This happened en masse after a groundbreaking article was published in the New York Times in 2017. Another influx came after the Luis Elizondo and David Grusch revelation
PoC 110 - Messaging the Anomalous
For those who have been involved in ufology for decades, the last few weeks have been particularly noteworthy. And that’s because what we’ve been seeing unfolding in our midst can best be described by a term reserved only for historical events involving a verifiable barrage of unidentified flying objects. The term in question is “flap”. And, without doubt, we have indeed been living through one of
PoC 109 - Indigenous Contact Events
In recent times, considerable focus has been on the march towards some form of official UAP disclosure. Throughout that period, momentum has been arising from congressional attempts to surface information in light of intelligence gathered within various branches of the military and the intelligence community; that is to say, based on data and assessments from within “the government” itself.Based o
PoC 108 - A Collapsing of Constructs
In this episode, Darren/Exo explores how the matter of the UFO Phenomenon and converging fields of research collapse various constructs of the world, giving rise to a perspective that transcends current assumptions and expectations of "the real".
PoC 107 - Of Expansion & Ascension
As we speak, both within ufology and within the segments of the political and public spheres that are beginning to wrestle with this enigmatic topic, we are seeing ongoing debate about how much the intelligences behind what we colloquially refer to as “the Phenomenon” should be framed as a threat–or at least a “potential threat”--or not. Some argue “better safe than sorry”, in lobbying for an appr
PoC 106 - The Alien & the Oversoul
Even as our modern mainstream society begins to grapple with the notion that non-human intelligences of a sophisticated nature are in our midst, piloting remarkably unconventional, and beyond next-gen technological craft, there is still a key component of this cultural conversation that is missing: and that is the consideration of the testimony of those who’ve apparently already encountered these
PoC 105 - Technologies of Contact
While modern ufology has been a component of our cultural zeitgeist for decades and decades now, during much of that time it has generally been seen as a matter for astrophysicists and aviation experts. While ground-breaking researchers such as Jacques Vallee, John Keel and J. Allen Hynek, as early as the 1970s, suggested the anomalous and highly strange nature of the data takes us well beyond tha
PoC 104 - Consciousness Continuum
Beginning with the revelations that arose in a now famous 2017 New York Times article titled “Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program”, and further brought to light with the allegations made by former military insiders like Luis Elizondo and David Grusch, the general public is being slowly acclimated to a reality that those of us who are part of this community hav
PoC 103 - Communal Confrontation
When we take the time to look back at the history of the UFO phenomenon in popular culture, perhaps no book has had an impact greater than Whitley Strieber’s groundbreaking 1987 work Communion. This was a book that, on the one hand, caught the world by surprise, depicting shocking, discombobulating encounters with beings of a decidedly otherworldly nature, despite the fact that the experiences see
PoC 102 - Mind, Matter & Meaning
Seeing the matter of UAP, or, as they have more traditionally been named: UFOs, unidentified flying objects, move through the halls of Congress, apparently towards some kind of official government disclosure, one might assume that what we’re dealing with is the rather clear cut matter of alien beings arising from elsewhere in our vast galaxy, visiting us in their sophisticated nuts and bolts space
PoC 101 - Return of the Sky People
When it comes to the intelligences behind the UFO Phenomenon, a certain group of repeating players tend to draw most of the attention. These commonly referenced groups include the greys, the nordics, the reptilians and the mantis types. And while there are a considerable number of accounts that do indeed refer to these particular beings, this can sometimes lead to the erroneous conclusion that the
PoC 100 - Odysseys into the Beyond
In our modern, technologically sophisticated world, it is something of a wonder that a medium such as the podcast continues to thrive. When podcasts first began to emerge in the new era of mini audio devices known as iPods (which speaks, of course, to the origin of the name), many saw them as a nostalgic throwback to the era of radio plays, before even the advent of television. The fact that the p
PoC 099 - Artifacts of Regeneration
In the recent move towards a more mainstream consideration of the enigma colloquially known as the UFO Phenomenon, we are seeing increasing discussion around the alleged technology recovered. We are also seeing robust conversation arising around whether or not this anomalous technology may have made its way into the top-secret craft being developed and operated by the military industrial complex,
PoC 098 - Nearing the Event Horizon
Those familiar with ufological lore, and especially how it ties into our deep religious history, will tell you that UFOs have been around for as long as we have, and perhaps even longer. Indeed, it has long been acknowledged that the assumed non-human intelligences behind these manifestations may be responsible not only for the inspiration and direction of our most foundational meaning-making mode
PoC 097 - Sojourners of Spirit & Sky
Over the last several episodes of this podcast we’ve been exploring the overlap between religious history, Shamanism and the UFO Phenomenon. In today’s episode we’ll be continuing this line of inquiry by zeroing in on the mystical and transformative aspects of encounters had as part of the modern UFO Phenomenon. Specifically we’ll be considering how the nature of these encounters, had in a seeming
PoC 096 - Ancient & Modern Contact
While the notion of extraterrestrial life has long captivated the public imagination, certain expectations regarding how such life might interact with us have also proven problematic. Primarily that’s because, being the stubborn species we are, when data doesn’t conform to our expectations, we tend to either ignore it, explain it away, or assume it has been gathered incorrectly, or is even the res
PoC 095 - Transition & Transcendence
Over the last 12 months or so, those associated with ufology have seen their excitement level around the matter of official disclosure reach a fevered pitch. Much of the optimism has been tied to the remarkable specificity of the language included in the Schumer amendment, which makes clear not only that sophisticated, non-human intelligences in our midst exist, but that various elements of the mi
PoC 094 - A Spectrum of Encounters
As our civilization continues to skate at the very edge of a new era of widespread public disclosure around the so-called UFO Phenomenon, there still exists a striking incongruence between what is being discussed in government and media, and what is understood to be the nature of the entire enterprise for those colloquially known as “experiencers”. At the public level, we are finally approaching a
PoC 093 - Of Initiatives & Ultimatums
Anyone alive in the modern era is entitled to look at the startling conflux of transformational variables currently arising in our midst, and conclude that this is a time of truly unparalleled change; change so all-encompassing that it is virtually guaranteed that the world a decade from now will prove fundamentally different from the one we’re in now, and even more contrastingly different than th
PoC 092 - Original & Engineered Mind
Over the course of the 80 or so years that make up what is colloquially known as the modern UFO Phenomenon, various hypotheses have been generated to make sense of not only the remarkably sophisticated craft that seem to be leagues beyond the technology of any modern nation-state present on the planet, but also of the apparently non-human beings who occupy them, and of the high strangeness that se
PoC 091 - A Reality of Dreamscapes
Over the course of 90+ episodes of Point of Convergence, save for one episode with James Iandoli, on the topic of CE-5, or HICE: human initiated contact events, this show has not followed the common podcast interview format. The reason for that is that there are already plenty of shows that follow the common interview pattern. My goal here has generally been to offer solo deep dives on various asp
PoC 090 - Of Accords & Abductions
For a long period of modern history the matter of the so-called UFO Phenomenon remained a topic cast to the fringes of discourse. While there has always been a committed community of people dedicated to getting to the bottom of this enduring, enigmatic mystery, that group has operated - for the most part - in the margins of polite society. And while the general public has long believed in the like
PoC 089 - Tending the Garden Planet
Without question, 2023 has been a banner year in the decades-long endeavor to bring disclosure about the reality of the so-called UFO Phenomenon to public awareness. Ever since the mid 20th century there has been a dedicated push by a relatively small but growing contingent of die-hards to finally get the U.S. government to admit what it knows about these beings from “elsewhere”; beings who have a
PoC 088 - Interventions & Endgames
The modern so-called UFO Phenomenon stretches back to the mid-20th century. That means we have 75+ years of lore to draw from when reflecting on the subject matter in question. Of course, for the vast majority of that time this topic, colloquially referred to as “ufology”, has remained a somewhat “fringe” enterprise, discussed ad nauseam by enthusiasts of the notion of extraterrestrial intelligenc
PoC 087 - Anomalous Introductions
Throughout much of the 20th century there existed a narrative that ran in parallel, but also somewhat in shadow and away from plain sight, to the march of history that we all learned about in school. This parallel narrative spoke of remarkable technological craft, seemingly centuries ahead of our own cutting-edge marvels, and included whispers of encounters with the pilots of said craft, who often
PoC 086 - The Temporal Engineers
Throughout the history of humankind we’ve been pushing the boundaries of exploration, determined to map and – often eventually, populate – every nook and cranny of physical space we come across. This has meant we’ve ventured into every corner of the earth, even those sporting the most inhospitable of environmental conditions.When the modern-day UFO Phenomenon first exploded into public consciousne
PoC 085 - The Dawning of Disclosure
The year 2017 saw what appeared at the time to be a sea change in ufology when a key piece published in the New York Times made clear that the U.S. military had footage of aerial vehicles of unknown origin. In other words, not only were UFOs - now referred to as UAP - a “thing”, something those intimately familiar with the topic had long known to be the case, but the U.S. government, to some degre
PoC 084 - Clandestine Campaigns
Ever since the dawn of the modern UFO Phenomenon, a wide variety of terms have been used to describe people’s reactions to it. People have been fascinated, frustrated, shocked, perplexed, bewildered, frightened and inspired. And, because of the enigmatic nature of encounters with the beings associated with this Phenomenon, often several of these descriptors can and do apply for any given situation
PoC 083 - Of Abduction & Initiation
Within the vast historical literature associated with the UFO Phenomenon there are references to numerous kinds of craft sighted and numerous kinds of entities encountered. Interestingly, even within a subset of a certain group of entities, distinct patterns sometimes emerge, suggesting specific enterprises have been undertaken at various points in history by these various groups. One such unique
PoC 082 - Vestiges of the Sky Gods
The enigma known as the UFO Phenomenon is compelling for numerous reasons. One of those reasons is that this phenomenon has been attested to by witnesses and experiencers over long periods of modern history. And, furthermore, once you get past the surface veneer of the way people have categorized/interpreted these phenomena differently over time because of different cultural expectations, one can
PoC 081 - A Matrix of Myth & Magic
When people are first introduced to the enigmatic topic known as the UFO Phenomenon, the working assumption is that this is a matter of determining whether or not aliens, i.e. extraterrestrials from some likely extrasolar source, have traversed the immense distances of outer space, to arrive at our blue pearl planet either to, A.) from a more positive view, study us, as in a scientific expedition,
PoC 080 - Dimensions of Disclosure
Generally speaking, with this podcast, each episode takes a different topic pertaining to the UFO Phenomenon and general paranormality and does a deep dive into it. That being the case, for the most part, Point of Convergence is not a current affairs kind of show. My aim is to make each episode relevant, regardless of when and where any particular listener happens to access and consume it.That sai
PoC 079 - UFOs, Treaties & Hybrids
Within the enigma known as the UFO Phenomenon, a few particularly troubling aspects have long existed as part of the experiencer literature. One specific aspect that has long been particularly concerning involves the knowledge of and cooperation in what are often deemed negative abduction encounters, by apparently human, terrestrial powers. In other words, our very own governments, or particular e
PoC 078 - The Quintessential Other
While the modern UFO era may have begun with the emergence of saucer sightings in the early to mid 20th century, that picture eventually grew to include not only those initial sightings, but also reported interactions with the supposed beings piloting these sophisticated, non-conventional craft. Yes, indeed “aliens” - or as they’re often called in modern ufology circles - non-human intelligences,
PoC 077 - The State & Fate of Earth
While the push towards government disclosure around its knowledge of UFOs – and even its knowledge of the attempted reverse engineering of apparently recovered craft of anomalous origin – really is kicking into a high gear of late, it’s still a far cry from the kinds of matters that the people known as experiencers are concerned with. Experiencers, those who have witnessed and interacted with anom
PoC 076 - Unidentified Aerial Prompts
The so-called UFO Phenomenon is a tricky affair because, no matter when and from where you enter the discussion, you’ve inevitably going to face having your assumptions and expectations stretched. Indeed, to those really paying close attention to, for instance, the wealth of experiencer data that’s been amassed over decades, it’s clear that a discourse around the nature of potential UFOs and alien
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