Midlife Circus: Gen X Reinvention
Midlife Circus is a podcast about reinvention in midlife, hosted by Brent Drever and Rob Espenel. The show treats midlife as an evolution rather than an end, exploring topics like career changes, empty nests, money, relationships, health, and second-act adventures. With humor, honesty, and a touch of rebellion, the hosts navigate the chaotic and surprising middle of life. It's aimed at Gen X listeners and anyone ready to rediscover what's possible in their next chapter.
Episodes
Losing a Parent: Sudden Loss and the Long Goodbye
Message the ShowSomewhere in midlife, losing a parent stops being a distant idea and starts happening to people around you. It's one of the few certainties waiting for everyone, and it rarely arrives the way you expect. This episode sits with two very different versions of it: Brent's sudden loss of his father, a massive stroke that took him within 48 hours, and the slow decline of his m
Sudden Money: How a Windfall Changes You and Everyone Around You
Message the ShowAt some point in midlife a financial windfall may show up: a business sale, an inheritance, a severance package, a bonus bigger than expected. Rob and Brent walk through what actually happens next, using the five rings of the Midlife Circus to look past the dollar amount at the parts nobody plans for. They get into how a windfall changes your relationships, why 75% of business owne
Navigating Health Scares in Midlife: The Visible and the Invisible
Message the ShowHealth scares in midlife come in two forms: the visible ones you feel, like a back that goes out and won't recover, and the invisible ones you can't, like a cholesterol number that flags a problem you'd never have noticed on your own. In this episode, Brent and Rob each put a real one on the table. Brent walks through the lower back injury that sidelined him for thre
Connection, Health, and Renewal: A Midlife Adventure in Costa Rica
Message the ShowThis one is a field trip. Brent and Rob recorded it on location at Surf Synergy, a surf camp in Jacó, Costa Rica, where they brought their own families along with a group of friends and theirs, ages ranging from 3 to 55, for a week of surfing, yoga, and a lot of healthy eating. Recorded outside on a deck in the rainforest, the conversation explores the experiences of the week throu
The Stuff We Keep: Why Letting Go in Midlife Creates Room for What's Next
Message the ShowRob and Brent each did a room-by-room walkthrough of their own houses and came back with the evidence: a 90-year-old silk top hat, a custom motorcycle jacket from the Harley days, a bin of coaxial cables, gold-toed bowling shoes, and three corporate suits that have not been worn in years. In this episode they sort it all into three categories — the memories worth keeping, the expen
Acceptance as Strength: Recovery and Rebuilding with Musician Ezra Vancil
Message the ShowEzra Vancil got signed to a music label as a teenager and spent the years that followed living the life of a rock star. By 21 his label had dropped him with no plan B, and the next two decades were a collapse into addiction and isolation that nearly cost him his life more than once. The night he hit bottom at 40, he woke up on the kitchen floor to the realization that his life had
5 Challenges We Got Ourselves Into
Message the ShowRob and Brent walked into this episode with no idea what the other was about to commit to. They each named 5 personal challenges for the next 90 days, one for every ring of midlife: finance, relationship, health, purpose, and adventure, and shared them live. The list includes losing twenty pounds, getting back to real planned date nights, joining a Friday golf group of strangers, l
Launching a Creative Business in Midlife
Message the ShowAlmost everyone has a creative thing they've been thinking about for years but never started. Rob wants to shoot action videos. Brent wants to restore old cars. Other people have pottery, photography, or a book idea sitting in the back of their head. In this episode, Brent and Rob get specific about what it takes to move a creative hobby into a real business in midlife, includ
A Guide to Earning Money as a Consultant in Midlife
Message the ShowWhat does it actually take to start consulting in midlife? Rob and Brent go a layer deeper than their earlier conversation on earning income in your next chapter, breaking down the foundational work most people skip — purpose, product, and market — and the six practical steps to launch your own consulting, advisory, or coaching practice. Drawing from Brent's 20+ years as a con
Before You Retire: 5 Things We Wish We'd Done First
Message the ShowWhat if retirement isn't really just a finance problem? Finance is the part most people plan for. It's the four others — relationships, health, purpose, and adventure — that quietly reshape everything. Rob and Brent walk through all five: test-driving your spending before the leap, inventorying the relationships that will and won't survive, building health habits whi
The Midlife Sabbatical: Taking a Career Break in Your 50s with Sarah Hager
Message the ShowAt 52, Sarah Hager stepped away from a 30-year corporate career to take a midlife sabbatical she never planned for. Rob and Brent sit down with Sarah to talk about the events that pushed her to walk away, what she learned in two years of travel, rest, and creative exploration, and how she eventually came back to work on her own terms. It's a grounded, honest look at what a mid
Find Your Epic: Why Big Challenges Matter in Midlife
Message the ShowWhat does it take to push past your own limits in midlife — and why does it matter? Brent and Rob unpack their own versions of Epic, from Rob’s 250-mile Cocodona race and his breakthrough at mile 170, to Brent’s 18-hour Grand Canyon Rim to Rim to Rim and the clarity it brought during a hard season of life. Everybody’s Epic looks different. This one is about why taking on something
No More Paycheck: How to Pay Yourself in Retirement
Message the ShowWhat happens when the paycheck stops and you need to start funding life from what you’ve built? Brent and Rob explore the emotional and financial side of retirement distribution planning, including the 4% rule, bucket strategies, annuities, taxes, and the value of working with a professional to navigate the options. Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Communit
Kids Leaving for College: Facing the Empty Nest
Message the ShowWhat happens when the college drop-off is over and the house gets quiet? Rob and Brent talk honestly about kids leaving for college, the emotions that come with the empty nest, and how this transition can reshape family life, identity, and what comes next. Links, resources, books mentioned:Join the Midlife Circus Community on Substack Follow us: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouT
Longevity Fundamentals with Dr. Dennis Lipton
Message the ShowIn this episode, Brent and Rob sit down with Dr. Dennis Lipton to break down the longevity fundamentals that matter in midlife. They cover the habits that compound over time—sleep, exercise, nutrition, metabolic health, and community—plus how to think about biomarkers and prevention without getting overwhelmed. It’s practical, grounded, and full of real-world perspective on how to
Micro-Adventures Matter
Message the ShowExplore the power of micro-adventures, backyard adventures, and simple travel with Rob and Brent. In this episode, they share how spontaneous outings, nearby day trips, and easy adventure planning can spark curiosity, strengthen relationships, and bring more excitement to everyday life. From childhood bike rides and underground forts to coffee shops, caves, and overnight getaways,
How to Give Back in Midlife
Message the ShowWhat does giving back look like in midlife? In this episode, Brent and Rob talk about how service often shifts from something we admire to something we feel called to do. They explore the different ways people can support nonprofits through time, experience, relationships, and financial resources, and why local community impact can feel especially powerful. As part of this year’s g
Getting Honest With Your Money — So You Have More Options
Message the ShowIn this episode, Brent and Rob explore one of the biggest hidden barriers to your next great act: truly understanding your personal expenses. From the “one-off” costs that somehow show up every year to the money stories we carry from childhood, they unpack why avoidance makes finances feel more complicated than they need to be. This isn’t about budgeting or restriction — it’s about
The 10-Year Letter to Yourself: Relationships, Health, and What Matters Most
Message the ShowWhat would your future-self want you to hear right now? In this episode, Rob and Brent write letters to themselves from ten years in the future—and then read them out loud. What follows is an honest, emotional conversation about relationships, health, risk, and the quiet shifts that happen in midlife. From evolving family dynamics to staying physically resilient and letting go of t
Work That Fits Your Life Now: 5 Flexible Ways to Earn in Your Next Chapter
Message the ShowIn this episode, Brent and Rob dig into a question many people face in midlife: how to keep earning money while redesigning work to better fit who you are now. They explore the difference between productive stress and anxiety-driven stress, why so many of us get stuck in all-or-nothing thinking about careers, and what it really means to create a Second Act Paycheck that aligns with
Why Not Now? Your Next Great Act Is Waiting
Message the ShowIn this episode, Rob and Brent dig into why the traditional idea of retirement no longer fits—and why waiting for “someday” often keeps us stuck. They talk candidly about their own experiences, the fear and excitement of change, and what it really takes to trust yourself enough to make a bold move. From financial clarity and sabbaticals to real-life stories of people who’ve already
Built to Last: The "Big Three" for Midlife Healthspan
Message the ShowIn this episode, Rob and Brent ask a simple but uncomfortable question: what would your future self want you to change today? Looking back 20 years—and ahead 20 more—they break down the “Big Three” that quietly shape healthspan: exercise, diet, and sleep, and why treating them as separate is the biggest mistake most people make. This isn’t about perfection or biohacking. It’s about
The Solo Retreat: Alone With Your Thoughts
Message the ShowIn this episode of Midlife Circus, Brent and Rob explore solo retreats and the value of intentionally stepping away from the noise of midlife. They share personal stories—from quick outdoor resets to multi-day retreats—and reflect on how creating space can unlock clarity, creativity, and perspective. The conversation also touches on the discomfort that can surface when distractions
Starting Law School at 50: Proof It’s Not Too Late, with our Guest Ron Mayer
Message the ShowIn this episode, Brent and Rob sit down with longtime friend and guest Ron Mayer to explore what reinvention really looks like in midlife. Ron shares his remarkable journey—from college football and Division I basketball refereeing to financial services, building a successful barbershop business, and ultimately starting law school at age 50. Along the way, they talk openly about do
Midlife Meets AI
Message the ShowIn this episode, Rob and Brent dig into what AI actually looks like in midlife—beyond the hype, fear, and sci-fi doom. They break down how they use AI in three practical ways: as a smarter search tool, as a thought partner for better decisions (including “virtual board of directors”), and as a creative engine for making things—from trip itineraries to short-form video experiments.
Someday Is a Lie: Adventures Expire
Message the ShowIn this episode of Midlife Circus, Brent and Rob unpack why adventures and experiences don’t last forever—and why waiting for the “right time” is often the biggest risk of all. From scratched bucket-list dreams and changing travel styles to family windows that close faster than we expect, they explore how health, relationships, and energy shape what’s still possible—and what’s alre
Setting Goals for the Year Ahead
Message the ShowIn this episode, Rob and Brent discuss their intentions and goals for 2026, focusing on themes of health, balance, and personal growth. They reflect on the past year, share their adventures planned for the upcoming year, and emphasize the importance of building a community through the Midlife Circus podcast. The conversation highlights the significance of setting intentions, being
New Habits, New Year, New You
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Brent and Rob explore the significance of habits, particularly in the context of sleep, transitions in life, and midlife changes. They discuss the importance of understanding and improving sleep habits, navigating the anxiety of transitions, and the value of slowing down to create space in life. The discussion also emphasizes the need for self-reflection durin
Holiday Traditions
Message the ShowIn this festive conversation, Brent and Rob explore their cherished Christmas traditions, childhood memories of Santa, and the nostalgia that surrounds the holiday season. They share humorous anecdotes about family Christmas tree adventures, unique traditions, and the significance of ornaments. The discussion also touches on the experience of celebrating Christmas in warmer climate
Repurposed NOT Retired
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Brent shares his experiences and challenges faced after retirement, particularly around identity and purpose. He discusses the awkwardness of answering the question 'What do you do?' and the discomfort that comes with losing a professional identity. The dialogue explores the journey of finding new opportunities, the importance of experimentation, and
Hiring a Financial Advisor? Listen To This First
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Brent and Rob discuss the critical aspects of hiring a financial advisor, emphasizing the importance of trust, understanding fiduciary responsibilities, and aligning values with financial goals. They share personal experiences and insights on navigating the complexities of financial planning, the significance of asking the right questions, and the necessity of
Your Life Needs a Quest—Even a Small One
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Brent and Rob explore the theme of adventures and personal growth, discussing their experiences with travel and the importance of stepping out of comfort zones. They share stories about climbing Colorado's 14ers, the challenges of planning big adventures like summiting Kilimanjaro, and the insights gained from cultural experiences. The discussion also emp
Navigating Loneliness in Midlife
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Rob and Brent explore the often-overlooked topic of loneliness, particularly as it relates to midlife transitions. They share personal experiences of navigating loneliness after career changes, the importance of vulnerability, and the value of seeking help through therapy. The discussion also delves into the evolution of friendships, distinguishing between &ap
Being Bad at Something, On Purpose
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Brent and Rob explore the significance of learning new skills, especially in midlife. They discuss childhood hobbies, the importance of having a learning list in midlife, and the challenges of embracing new experiences. Rob shares his journey of learning to bake bread, riding a unicycle, and his ambitious list of 50 things to learn in his fifties. The conversa
The Two Numbers Between You and Retirement Freedom
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Brent and Rob explore the emotional and mathematical aspects of retirement planning. They discuss the importance of understanding one's relationship with money, the two critical numbers that determine financial freedom, and the emotional challenges faced when transitioning from a working life to retirement. The discussion emphasizes the need to evaluate s
Deal Friends vs. Real Friends—The Midlife Sort
Message the ShowIn this conversation, Rob and Brent discuss Brent's upcoming triathlon and the challenges of training for it. They then transition into a deeper discussion about friendships, particularly the differences between 'deal friends' and 'real friends' as Brent reflects on his experiences after leaving his last company. The conversation highlights the loneliness t
Midlife: Choose your Own Adventure
Message the ShowIn this episode of Midlife Circus, Brent and Rob crack open the Choose Your Own Adventure theme of midlife—where you get to decide what comes next. They explore what it means to rewrite the script, embrace curiosity, and step off autopilot to direct your next great act. From motorcycles and model cars to 3D printing and solo adventures, this conversation blends humor, nostalgia, an
Leaving the Grind: Now What?
Message the ShowIn this episode, Rob and Brent explore the transition into semi-retirement, discussing the challenges and surprises that come with leaving behind a long career. They reflect on the impact of the inner critic, the importance of finding meaning beyond money, and the need to build new relationships. The conversation emphasizes the significance of time abundance and the journey of crea
Welcome to the Midlife Circus (Trailer)
Message the ShowIn this short trailer, Rob and Brent introduce Midlife Circus—a podcast for anyone navigating the glorious chaos of midlife.Somewhere along the way, they realized they were officially in it: backs that ache for no reason, playlists stuck in the ‘90s, and kids wearing T-shirts from their favorite bands. But instead of calling it a crisis, they’re calling it what it really is—a circu
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