Enneagram Five
For deep thinkers who want to live fully. Go past the stereotypes and delve into what it's really like to navigate life and personal growth as an Enneagram Type 5. Join Cody Harris (5w6 SP/SX/SO) and Josiah Goff (5w4 SO/SX/SP), as well as a community of other Fives, as we explore a different aspect of life as a Five in each episode. If you're a Five who wants to better understand yourself, or you have a Five in your life that you want to get closer to, then this podcast is for you.
Episodes
[LIVE] Do Fives Hate the Holidays?
The holidays are supposed to be joyful. For a lot of Fives, they’re also complicated.In this final live episode of the year, Josiah and Cody check back in after a break, reflect on what the holidays stir up for Fives, and look honestly at where they’ve grown and where they still default to comfort. From gift-giving anxiety to nostalgia, grief, creativity, and energy management, this episode is a w
Better Off Alone: Can Enneagram 5s really live with other people?
Fives grow up believing self-reliance is safety, but what happens when that belief turns into a voice that's constantly whispering you’re better off alone?In this episode, we go deep into the tension between independence and connection, the pain of carrying unmet childhood needs into adulthood, and what happens when life forces you to confront the stories you’ve been living inside without eve
Is Josiah Really a Five?
Has anyone ever told you that you’re not really a Five?In this episode, Cody stages an intervention (armed with four years of transcripts, Enneagram books, and a surprising analysis from ChatGPT) to settle an ongoing debate: Is Josiah actually a Five… or a Three in disguise?What starts as a lighthearted experiment turns into one of the most personal and revealing conversations we’ve ever had about
Intellect vs. Intelligence: Do we rely too much on our analytical mind as an Enneagram 5?
Fives are proud of being “smart.” But what if that thing we trust most is also the thing holding us back?In this episode, we talk about the difference between intellect and intelligence, and why Fives tend to obsess over one while ignoring the other. We get into why being analytical can make you feel powerful but also isolated, emotionally numb, disconnected from your body, and limited in real lif
Hard Work & Motivation: What does effort really look like as an Enneagram 5?
Hard work is a virtue… until it becomes a trap.In this episode, we explore how Fives relate to hard work, motivation, and the stories we’ve inherited about what effort should look like. We unpack our personal histories (lazy labels, blue-collar expectations, engineering hacks, and chronic fatigue) and how all of that shaped our relationship to discipline and purpose.We also dive deep into the myth
Expectations: What do we expect from ourselves and others as an Enneagram 5?
Fives crave clarity, but expectations make everything fuzzy.In this episode, we wrestle with how expectations shape our creative process, our friendships, and our self‑story—often without us noticing. We start with the behind‑the‑scenes saga of trying (for the third time!) to record this conversation, then follow the thread into dread before hitting “record,” unspoken agreements in friendship, and
[LIVE] Are Enneagram 5s really great listeners, or do we just look like we’re listening?
In this live episode, we dig into a common belief about Fives that seems flattering on the surface but gets more complicated the deeper you go. We talk about what listening actually looks like for us, why presence is harder than it seems, and how emotional bandwidth plays into the equation.We also share what’s been lighting up our curiosity lately (spoiler: it includes alien documentaries, tornado
Getting Older: How Do Enneagram 5s Deal with Aging?
Fives often imagine themselves outside of time, but aging has a way of forcing us back into reality.In this episode, we explore how Fives experience getting older—from bodies that don’t bounce back the way they used to, to the existential weight of midlife, to the surprising hope that comes with perspective. We share stories about family, health, autonomy, and regret, but also about the freedom, w
Procrastination: Why do Enneagram 5s struggle to take action until it's too late?
Some people think procrastination is just poor time management, but for Fives it’s often much deeper.In this episode, we explore how procrastination shows up for us in uniquely Five ways, from building things up in our heads until they feel impossible, to putting off the projects we care about most because they expose our deepest fears and insecurities. We swap ridiculous (and relatable) stories,
[LIVE] Do Enneagram 5s think they're smarter than everyone else?
Fives are known for their sharp minds, but does that mean we think we’re smarter than everyone else?In this live episode, we take on a common misconception about Fives—arrogance—and explore where it comes from, why it isn’t the whole story, and what’s really going on beneath the surface. Along the way we share personal updates, talk about growth edges, and wrestle with a brutally hard “Would You R
Five Moms: What is Motherhood Like for an Enneagram 5?
What happens when you're a Five and a mom?This week’s episode is a special podcast takeover by Enneagram experts Sam E. Greenberg, PhD and Melissa Kircher—both Fives and both moms. They swap stories, laugh about their quirks, and get painfully honest about the challenges and strengths of navigating motherhood as a Five. Whether you’re a Five parent yourself or trying to understand one, this c
Informational Obsessions: Why do Enneagram 5s Love to Fall Down Rabbit Holes?
Some rabbit holes are deeper than others, and as Fives we often fall in headfirst.In this episode, we explore the obsessive way Fives pursue information: how it starts, what fuels it, and what happens when it spirals out of control. We share personal stories of late-night research binges, conspiracy rabbit holes, and the paradox of being both empowered and paralyzed by too much knowledge. We also
Emotional Intelligence: How Do We Develop Empathy and Awareness as an Enneagram 5?
We Fives often pride ourselves on intellect, but emotional intelligence is a whole different skill set.In this episode, Sam E. Greenberg, PhD. joins us to explore what emotional intelligence actually means, why it's challenging for Fives, and how our relationships have pushed us to grow. We share real-life stories about misreading emotions, struggling to stay in our bodies, and the surprising
Friends of Fives: What's it Like to Be Lifelong Friends with an Enneagram 5?
Fives often feel like outsiders, but what if the group we’ve always longed for already exists?In this episode, we invite two longtime friends to join us for a candid conversation about what it’s really like to be friends with a Five. From hilarious stories to hard truths, we explore the highs and lows of maintaining deep, long-term friendships—especially when you tend to live in your head.We refle
[LIVE] Do Fives Secretly Want to Be Seen?
In this live episode, we explore a surprising tension many Fives feel: the deep desire to be known and understood, and the equally strong instinct to hide. We unpack what’s really behind our aversion to vulnerability, how our subtypes shape this dynamic, and what it takes to show up even when we’d rather stay in our heads.We also check in on how we’re actually doing, share what we’ve been research
Friendship: Why is it Hard to Make Friends as an Enneagram 5?
Fives pride ourselves on independence, but friendship requires letting people in.In this honest and deeply personal episode, we explore what friendship means to us as Fives—and why it’s so complicated. We share stories of how our personalities have made friendship harder, how we’ve grown to value it more, and the unexpected ways we’re learning to show up more authentically and connect more deeply.
After Thoughts: Intuition
This is an After Thoughts episode, an unstructured, unedited debrief of everything we didn't say in the last episode—this time unpacking our conversation on intuition. And boy, does this one take some turns...We get into how our Five wings shape the way we approach intuition, with Josiah leaning more into the mystical side while Cody stays grounded in practicality. That leads us into a discus
Intuition: Can You Trust Your Gut as an Enneagram 5?
Fives rely on analysis and clarity, but intuition offers something logic can't: a deeper wisdom that defies explanation.In this episode, we explore what intuition is, why Fives struggle to trust it, and how embracing it can positively influence our lives. We share our personal experiences with intuition, examine how it's different from emotional decision-making, and discuss unconventiona
[LIVE] Can Enneagram 5s be Expressive and Outgoing?
Can Fives really be expressive and outgoing? The stereotype says no—but we’re here to challenge that idea. In this episode, we unpack the myth that Fives are always quiet, reserved, and withdrawn, and we share our own experiences of learning to express ourselves in the world. Plus, we introduce a new structure for our live episodes, featuring a mix of community engagement, deep dives, and a little
Anxiety: How Do We Handle Feeling Anxious as an Enneagram 5?
Fives value logic and control, but anxiety challenges both. In this episode, we explore how Fives experience anxiety, why we often rationalize instead of feeling it, and how avoiding it can make things worse. We share personal stories, unexpected ways anxiety manifests in the body, and strategies that have helped us manage it—including some unconventional ones.We also dive into the tension between
Attachment Styles
What's your attachment style as a Type 5?In this season finale episode, Sam E. Greenberg joins us again to walk us through Attachment Theory and what we can learn about being a Five by studying the different Attachment Styles.If the Enneagram has helped you as a Five and you're curious about another framework you can use to better understand yourself, then this episode is for you.Want to
Convenience vs. Connection
What keeps Type 5s from connecting?In this episode, we delve into Josiah's experience of identifying and dismantling the things that were holding him back from connecting with others, and why connection is so important for Fives.If you've ever found it difficult to connect with others as a Five, then this episode is for you.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Vis
On The Spectrum
Are you on the spectrum or are you a Type 5?In this episode, we join Sam E. Greenberg to explore the overlap of traits between being a Five and being on the autism spectrum. We also talk through Cody's experience of being diagnosed with Asperger's and how that shows up for him as a Five.If you've ever wondered about the difference between being a Five and being on the spectrum, then
Commitment
How do Type 5's feel about commitment?In this episode we share how we've handled various types of commitment as Fives and how we might approach commitment in a way that doesn't burn us out.If you've ever struggled with commitment as a Five, this episode is for you.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/36 to join the conversation!TA
Incompetance
How do Type 5s feel about incompetance?In this episode, we delve into why we get so triggered when people around us are incompatent, why Fives have a fear of incompetance, and what steps we can take to start overcoming this fear.If feeling incompatent has ever held you back as a Five, then this episode is definitely for you.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagr
Family Dynamics
How do Type 5s handle being part of a family?In this episode, we delve into what family life was like growing up as Fives, how useful the internal family systems framework is, and what we want our own family dynamics to be.And we talk about Josiah's hair for like 20 full minutes for some reason.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/34 to join the
Therapy
What do Type 5s think about therapy?In this episode, we sit down with Liz Landry, friend of the show and licensed therapist, to talk through what to expect from therapy as a Five, what has held us back from going to therapy in the past, and how to find a therapist that works for you.If you've ever considered therapy as a Five but have been on the fence about it, then this episode is for you.N
High Fives
This is is our most requested episode to date, so we gave the crowd what they wanted.And it's a bunch of nonsense, so you're welcome :-)TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that gives you a precise snapshot of your inner landscape so you can track where you are and choose your next move intentionally.• Fast & free – 5 minute quiz, instant results.•
Low Fives
How do Type 5s deal with feeling down?In this episode, we dive into what it feels like to be depressed as a Five, various triggers that cause us to feel down, and some techniques we've used to climb back out of the abyss.If you've ever struggled with depression as a Five, then this episode is for you.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/31
Levels of Health
What are the nine levels of health for a Type 5?In this episode, we join once again with our good friend Sam E. Greenberg, PhD (a.k.a the Enneagram Sexpert) to deep dive on the levels of health and what they mean for Fives.If you've ever wondered why one moment you feel like a sage and the next moment like a schizoid, then this episode is for you.PS. Go follow Sam on Instagram at @ennea_gasm!
Conspiracy Theories
What do Type 5's think of conspiracy theories?In this episode, we dig into Josiah's philosophy of conspiracy theories and why they're so important for Fives (and everyone, according to him).So grab your tin foil hat and join us as we see how far down the rabbit hole goes.Note: For more info on this topic, check out Wendigoon's Conspiracy Theory Iceberg seriesWant to know what o
Politics
How do Fives feel about Politics?To kick off Season 4, we unleash our inner anarchists and share our own political journeys, as we resist the urge to burn the system down and instead focus on building something new.If you have political opinions but never share them because you feel like it's pointless, then this episode is for you.Note: For a deeper dive on some of these topics, Josiah recom
Subtypes
Why are some Type 5's so different from others?In this season finale episode, we bring back Sam Greenberg, aka the Enneagram Sexpert, to deep dive on the Social, Sexual, and Self-Preservation subtypes of Type 5 and how instinctual stacking works. You also get to listen in as we attempt to figure out our own subtype stackings in real time.If you're looking to gain better clarity on the wi
Uncertainty
How do Type 5's deal with uncertainty?In this episode, we talk about how we handle uncertain times as fives and what we can do to thrive rather than spiral.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/26 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that gives you a precise snapshot of your inner lands
Female Fives
Want to know what life is like as a female Type 5?In this episode, we interview 3 female Fives from our community about their unique experiences, what motherhood is like as a Five, and what advice they would give to other female Fives like them. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/25 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clari
Nihilism
Is life meaningless? Does anything matter?In this episode, we unpack why Type 5s tend to embrace nihilism and how we can live with the absurdity of our existence. Yay!Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/24 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that gives you a precise snapshot of your inner
Integration & Disintegration
Ever wonder what those lines are coming out of Type 5 on the Enneagram?In this episode, we share our experiences integrating to 8 and disintegrating to 7, as well as the pros and cons of each.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/23 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that gives you a preci
Belonging
Do you feel like you fit in anywhere as a Type 5?In this episode, we delve into what it means to have a community, why it's often so difficult to feel like we belong to any group, and how we've overcome the challenges of fitting in. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/22 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity
Grief
How do Type 5's handle grief?In this episode, we bring professional therapist Liz Landry back onto the show to unpack how we grief, why grief should be understood outside the context of death, what to do when people around you are grieving, and whether or not it's weird that death doesn't bother Josiah.This conversation is comprised of segments originally recorded as a live video st
Death
What do Type 5's think about death?In this episode we delve into our personal experiences dealing with death and the thought of dying ourselves, and dig into why death bothers some of us more than others.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/20 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that
Sex
How do Type 5's feel about sex?In this season finale episode, we get real vulnerable with the Enneagram Sexpert, Sam E. Greenberg, to deep dive on:What a Five is like as a sexual partnerHow Five subtypes and wings differ sexuallyNavigating sexual relationships with other typesHow to transcend sexual hangups as a FiveAchieving your ecstatic sexual potentialIf you've ever had difficulty na
Privacy
Why do Type 5's seem so private?In this episode we delve into how we balance the tension between gating what personal details others get access to and being vulnerable with those we feel have earned our trust.And we learn that after a couple of glasses of wine Josiah can't pronounce the word 'anonymity'.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagra
Education
How do Type 5's navigate our education system?In this episode we share our education journeys as Fives and the various challenges of growing up homeschooled vs public schooled.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/17 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that gives you a precise snapshot
The Mythical Jesse
Join us as we chat with Cody's brother, Jesse, about science as a career path, growing up as a Five, how we can actually know anything, and how to use curiosity to connect with others.This conversation is comprised of segments originally recorded as a live video stream for our Enneagram Five: After Hours podcast.To view the unedited live stream, as well as the rest of our After Hours podcast,
Is Cody a Sociopath?
Have you ever wondered if you might be a sociopath?In this episode, we chat with Liz Landry, a clinical psychologist, about what it really means to be a sociopath and whether Cody fits the bill.This conversation is comprised of segments originally recorded as a live video stream for our Enneagram Five: After Hours podcast.To view the unedited live stream, as well as the rest of our After Hours pod
Being With a Five
Ever wonder what it's like to be in a relationship with a Type 5?In this episode, Cody and Josiah turn the tables and interview their significant others, Madison and Amy, to find out what are the biggest advantages and challenges of being with a Five.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/14 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-mi
Relationships
How do we view romantic relationships as Fives?In this episode we delve into our journeys of learning how to navigate personal relationships when we're so apt to push people away.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/13 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that gives you a precise snaps
Religion & Spirituality
What do Type 5s think about religion and spirituality?In this conversation, we share our stories of growing up in religion, leaving the church, and how we've dealt with life thereafter as Fives.Whether you're religious, spiritual, or none of the above, if you've ever contemplated what it means to engage (or disengage) with faith as Five then you'll definitely want to listen to
Happiness
Can Fives ever be truly happy?In this conversation, we talk about what it means to be happy as a Five and whether that's a state of being that is attainable and sustainable for us.If you've ever questioned your ability to be a happy person, you'll definitely want to listen to this episode.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/11 to join
Self-Care
How do we care for ourselves as Type 5s?In this conversation, we explore the habits and activities we can do to energize us as Fives and maintain a more balanced, healthy life.If you've ever felt burned out as a Five, you'll definitely want to listen to this whole episode.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/10 to join the conversation!TAKE
UFOs & Our Rational Minds
What do UFOs have to do with being a Type 5?In this episode, we explore how we elevate our rational minds as Fives, sometimes to the point where it can prevent us from being open to new paradigms if it means we risk being seen as incompetent.And of course we also have some fun going down the rabbit hole of the UFO phenomenon. Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit ennea
Favorite Fictional Fives
While normally we like to move past the Type 5 stereotypes, in this conversation we change things up a bit and talk about some of our favorite fictional Fives.Join us as we discuss which characters we relate to most as Fives and which ones we don't (some of them might surprise you).Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/8 to join the conversation!
Careers
Is there an ideal career for a Type 5?There are definitely the obvious professions, like scientist, researcher, computer programmer, etc. But, are those the only type of jobs that a Five will actually enjoy?In this conversation, we delve into our career paths and discuss which jobs best suited us as Fives and which ones we couldn’t stand.We also hear from several of our community members with a wi
Creativity
What does being a Type 5 mean when it comes to creativity?In this conversation, we break down our unique creative strengths as Fives, as well as the biggest things that hold us back creatively.Bonus: Cody gives us an exclusive behind the scenes look at his creative process for producing the music for this podcast.Whether you're a naturally creative Five or you've never considered yoursel
Solitude vs. Isolation
Wait, aren't all Type 5's cranky hermits? Nope! Not at all. But, as you probably already know, we do tend to crave solitude to different degrees at different times.In this episode, we delve into how we Fives go about making space for solitude in our lives, as well as what can happen when too much solitude leads to isolation.If you're a Five who likes your alone time or you have a Fi
Pros and Cons of Parenting
What's the best and worst thing about being an Enneagram Type 5 parent?In this conversation we delve into the pros and cons of parenting, what it's like being a Five parent, and if it's worth the effort.And we laugh. A LOT 😆If you're a Five parent or you've ever wondered what it would be like to have kids as a Five, then you'll definitely want to listen to this whole
Moving Past the Stereotypes
What is an Enneagram Five stereotype that really annoys you?In this episode we call out many of the Type 5 stereotypes and how we can help people understand that we're more than just a meme.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/3 to join the conversation!TAKE THE FULLY FIVE QUIZ:A 5-minute clarity check-in for Enneagram Fives that gives you a pr
Living in Your Head
As a Five, sometimes it feels like the sole purpose of our bodies are to transport our minds from one place to another.One of our favorite things to do is to retreat into our minds, and in this episode we weigh the cost of living in your head against some of the under-appreciated benefits.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/2 to join the conversati
Dealing with Feeling
One of the biggest stereotypes for Type 5's is that we're emotionless robots, but we know that isn't the reality.In this episode we explore what it's like to handle emotions as a Five, as well as some ways in which we can learn to identify and express them more easily.Want to know what other Fives are saying about this episode? Visit enneagramfive.com/1 to join the conversatio
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