Them Before Us Podcast
Hosted by Jennifer Friesen, Training Director at Them Before Us, this podcast covers politics, current events, and policy updates that affect children's rights. It features experts in politics, bioethics, law, reproductive technology, research, and culture. Listeners hear discussions aimed at helping them defend children's rights in debates over legislation, family, and technology. The show offers insights and arguments for a child-centric approach in today's world.
Episodes
Them Before Us #110 | Welfare, Feminism, and the Vanishing Black Family | Delano Squires
In 1965, about 24% of Black children were born to unmarried parents, and today that number sits around 70%. Delano Squires [ @squire429 ] is the author of The Vanishing Black Family and director of the Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Human Flourishing at the Heritage Foundation. In his book, he explains how, through slavery and the aftermath, Black Americans demonstrated a great dedication to
Them Before Us #109 | C.S. Lewis Thought Gender was more Important than Sex?
Dr. Josh Herring joins Jenn on the Them Before Us podcast to talk about his new book, Sons of Adam, Daughters of Eve: C.S. Lewis' Images of Gender.Simone de Beauvoir said woman is made, not born. Judith Butler picked that up and ran it all the way to "gender is just a script — write your own." C.S. Lewis saw this coming decades before either of them published a word, and he said the
Them Before Us #108 | The Powerful, the Weak, and Global Human Dignity | Life International
Jenn sits down with Zac Kadau and Alissa Hollander from Life International, a global ministry equipping Christian leaders in over 170 countries, to talk about what defending human dignity actually looks like on the ground. They get into surrogacy recruitment overseas, polygamy, honor and shame cultures, and the story of a pastor whose public repentance changed 36 churches. Find Life International
Them Before Us #107 | The three ways school shapes your kid's soul (whether you notice or not)
This episode is for the teachers, the homeschool parents, and anyone with a kid in a classroom of any kind. Billy Hutchinson, director of Colson Educators at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview, joins the show to break down a simple but powerful idea: nothing about education is neutral. Every teacher, every textbook, and every campus culture is shaped by a worldview, whether anyone says so o
Them Before Us #106 | Fathers Are Essential and Women Cannot Father
Join the TBU team for our great big Father's Day episode! We've got interviews with Robin Porter from LoveLife, Roland Warren, the CEO of CareNet, a "Here for the Comments" segment on the best dads in media, and all our staff join together to share about their own mothers and fathers and the positive impact they made on each, growing up.Pastor Robin Porter has served in church mi
Them Before Us #105 | We Graded Every State and only ONE Got an A
We just graded all 50 states on how well — or how badly — their laws protect children when it comes to parentage, surrogacy, donor conception, and marriage. Two-thirds of states got a C or below. One state got an A. In this episode, you'll meet the man whose state earned it — and the team that built the tool every family advocate in America needs right now.Go explore the Children's Rights
Them Before Us #104 | Mothers and Fathers are NOT Interchangable w/ the TBU Staff
It's a special Them Before Us staff takeover as the gang gets together, in Brady Bunch style boxes, to share favorite mom and dad moments. Then Jenn and Sam go through some of the amazing moms in the movies as we round out the end of our Greater Than week of celebrating moms. What's a favorite memory you have of your mom and dad?And if you think every child deserves the mom and dad they ca
Them Before Us #103 | Are Gen Z Men Having a "Crisis of Purpose"? | Micah Kunkle
If you've caught Micah Kunkle debating "Progressive" ideas on Jubilee or other platforms, you already know he's the real deal. Micah joins the TBU podcast to talk debate strategy, why so many young men are drawn to "strong male" influencers pushing harmful ideas, and how we can engage Gen Z in the fight for children's rights. He's one of those rare voices who
Them Before Us #102 | How to Restore "What Really Matters" with Tim Goeglein
What actually holds a nation together when everything feels like it’s coming apart?This week, Jenn sits down with Tim Goeglein to unpack the convictions behind his new book, What Really Matters: Restoring a Legacy of Faith, Freedom, and FamilyDrawing from history, culture, and personal experience, Goeglein makes a clear case: the future of freedom rises or falls on the strength of faith, family, a
Them Before Us #100 | Making Fertility Fraud a Felony & Retaking the Arts
Big news out of South Dakota, fertility fraud is now a felony! Learn more about how Them Before Us played a part in inspiring this legislation, sponsored by SD Representative Terri Jorgenson, and what it means for children's rights. See more from Rep. Jorgenson at her substack here:https://sdcapitoldiary.substack.com/Terri is a proud South Dakotan with a deep-rooted connection to her community
Them Before Us Podcast #099 | Katy Talento Talks Trump and how to Life Hack the Healthcare System
Friend of Them Before Us, Katy Talento is a Harvard-trained epidemiologist, naturopathic doctor, and former Trump White House health policy advisor who spent two decades inside the DC healthcare machine — then left to help everyday people and employers outsmart it. She writes about health policy, natural medicine, and how to live like a human — from real food and hormonal health to how to cut your
Them Before Us Podcast #098 | Patriotism isn't Political with Katie Broussard
What are we teaching our children about America, and what are we neglecting?Jenn is joined by Katie Broussard, founder of The Littlest Statesmen and author of The Great George Washington, the first book in a seven-part series that introduces young children to the lives and characters of America’s Founders. A simple question from her three-year-old daughter about the Fourth of July led Katie to rec
Them Before Us Podcast #097 | #GreaterThan Launches and a NY Photographer Wins against Bullying
Katy and Jenn talk about the #GreaterThan launch, a coalition of most major Christian and conservative groups and thought leaders, to retake marriage and restore it to the institution that best protects children in society. Learn more at greaterthancampaign.comThen Jenn has a conversation with Emilee Carpenter, an NY photographer who took the state to court over her objections to using her creativ
Them Before Us Bonus | Is Katy Faust Anti-Adoption?
Katy's recent post promoting the #LiveAction Young Leader summit, where she is speaking this year, garnered some comments from someone claiming Katy is anti-adoption. Katy goes on the record with her controversial take on adoption and answers the question once and for all, where she stands on the topic.
Them Before Us Podcast #096 | Talking Toxic Mom Groups & Cash for Babies?
How can governments incentivize couples to have more babies? What do you do when your fun mom group turns exclusive and "toxic"? And, in case you missed it, a "Here for the Comments" conversation about all the hate Katy got on her post about overturning Obergefell.
Them Before Us Podcast #095 | Defending Pro-Life Speech at the U.S. Supreme Court
In this episode, Jenn talks with Aimee Huber of First Choice Women’s Resource Centers and ADF attorney Gabriella McIntyre about how the New Jersey Attorney General has used his power to target a pro-life ministry that has never had a single complaint. First Choice has spent decades walking with women in their most vulnerable moments by offering real support, real resources, and real hope at no cos
Them Before Us Podcast #094 | How to Defend Young Minds
The industry that promotes illicit sexual behavior targets children because it wants life-long customers. The reality is that it’s not a matter of if your kids will see pornography but when. This should not scare parents. It’s a chance to get prepared and to help your children be ready when the moment comes.Kristen A. Jenson is the founder of Defend Young Minds® and the #1 bestselling author of Go
Them Before Us #093 | A Journey from Orphanage to Advocacy | Promoting Healthy Citizens in Indiana
In this episode, Jenn is joined by Birjan Crispin, the Deputy Director of the Good Citizen Project with the Indiana Family Institute, where they talk about his story of adoption and the best ways for Christians to be good citizens, promoting what is best for human flourishing.Learn more at https://www.goodcitizen.us/ and follow Birjan at https://www.instagram.com/birjancrispin98/------------------
Them Before Us #092 | How Can We Save Families Before Tragedy | Upstream Collaborative
In this episode, we sit down with Phil and Melody to talk about Family Preservation Ministries and their upcoming UNSHAKABLE 2026 Conference. Their mission is clear: to protect, preserve, and strengthen families through the local church—helping people before they reach crisis or end up in the foster care and adoption system. Grounded in the Gospel, this ministry is church-driven, professionally su
Them Before Us #091 | Conceived by IVF & Sharing Pro-Life Views on Campus
You'll enjoy this conversation with Maddie! Check out her bio below and go follow her on Tiktok! "My name is Maddie, and I am a 22-year-old recent college graduate. I consider myself to be a Pro-Life activist. I was raised in a Christian-Conservative home, so my worldview has been wholly shaped bythe authority of Scripture. God has placed the desire in my heart to advocate against abortio
Them Before Us #091 | “Truth Rising: Our Civilizational Moment” | John Stonestreet
Colson Center’s John Stonestreet joins the Them Before Us podcast to discuss the new documentary Truth Rising. The film explores the rise of Western Civilization, the profound impact it has had on human history, why it’s now at risk, and what we can do to preserve it. TBU’s Katy Faust is also featured in the film. Truth Rising premieres September 5—don’t miss it!------------------John Stonestreet
Them Before Us #090 | Developing a Consistent Pro-Life Ethic with Stephanie Gray Connors
Stephanie Gray Connors is a leading voice in the pro-life movement, known for her remarkable ability to explain the ethics of life from womb to tomb in a way that is clear, practical, and easy to apply. She shares how her professional work has shaped her personal conversations, why both IVF and abortion violate the pro-life ethic, and her own story of marrying and starting a family later in life.
Them Before Us #089 | Born of IVF & Blinded By Birth Control | A story of Pro-Life Hope
Today, Jenn is joined by Chelsey Painter Davis, "whose viral videos have broken the ice on disability and shattered stereotypes through her shockingly relatable humor, breath-catching stories, and vivacious charm.Growing up a survivor of in-vitro fertilization, Chelsey has never been afraid to question modern preconceptions surrounding reproductive healthcare. She lost her vision due to birth
Them Before Us #088 | A Powerful Personal Story of Hope in Midst of Infertility
In this episode, Jenn has a conversation with Mirjam from the Netherlands. Share this story if you know someone who has struggled with loss and infertility. Check out her full bio and website below:My name is Mirjam and I'm married to Ido. We live in the southwest of the Netherlands. I was 38 when we got married. I always wanted to become a mother. In my thirties I decided to trust God for a m
Them Before Us #087 | How Can We Teach College Students to Seek Truth | Professor Robert P. George
In his second time on the Them Before Us podcast, Professor Robert P. George shared about his new book: "Seeking Truth & Speaking Truth: Law and Morality in our Cultural Moment." In his decades as a professor, George has taught between 8,000-10,000 students in the Ivy Leagues and hopes this resource will shift our culture back to reason and truth seeking instead of emotionalism.Buy t
Them Before Us #086 | The Org That's Saved 1,000 Babies & An Embryo Adoption Journey
In this episode, Jenn interviews Let Them Live co-founder Emily Berning about how the organization is giving practical support to women who feel they don't have any other choice but abortion. Emily also shares the journey she and her husband have been on with embryo adoption. Subcribe to our substack to get more resources to equip you for these sorts of conversations with your family and frien
Them Before Us #85 | Keeping Kids with Mom - Together for Good
Jenn interviews Maridel Sandberg, the President and Founder of Together for Good, a national nonprofit launched in 2017 to partner with the local church in supporting vulnerable families before a crisis leads to separation. If we can get to moms who need support before their children get involved in the government system, think how many lives could be positively changed! This was a great conversat
Them Before Us #84 | From a Cult to Caring about Children's Rights in Spain
Jenn chats with a new connection from Spain, Rosana Montes, whose unique story has led her to caring for children and equipping adults in Spain with a restored understanding of the importance of marriage and family. If you have any connections in Spain, email us@thembeforeus.com so we can connect you. Let's get Them Before Us in Spain!------"My name is Rosana, and I hold an Associate Degr
Them Before Us #082 | Civilization Depends on Dads: A Conversation with EksAyn Anderson
Jenn sits down with EksAyn Anderson, author, speaker, and founder of the Dadfluence movement, to discuss why fathers are one of the most critical forces shaping the future of children and society. From the heartbreaking story of losing his mother at age eight to practical, research-based parenting wisdom, EksAyn challenges men to reclaim fatherhood as their primary calling and reminds us that buil
TBU Legal Watch | The Louisiana IVF Bill That Could Gut Pro-Life Protections
In this Legal Watch episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Jenn and Patience unpack a new Louisiana bill framed as “protecting IVF”, but which, in reality, dismantles key legal protections for human embryos. Patience explains how the bill, introduced by Senator Thomas Pressly, misrepresents the now-infamous “Alabama situation” to justify stripping parental rights at fertilization, limiting legal a
Them Before Us #081 | Marriage Forces You to Grow or Quit and Why That's GOOD | #ANDnotOR
(Note from Jenn: You may notice a slight echo in the first 1-2 minutes of audio but we were able to figure it out! Thanks for your patience as we ironed out the early wrinkles!)In this #ANDnotOR feature episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Jenn sits down with long-time friends and fellow children's rights advocates Cameron and Tracee Linder to talk marriage, parenting, and building a family
Them Before Us #080 | Conceiving Miracles: Dr. Jennifer Mercier on Healing & Hope in Fertility Care
In this episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Dr. Jennifer Mercier shares her inspiring journey through women's health and fertility. As the creator of Mercier Therapy, a natural method that helps women conceive, she offers a meaningful look into alternatives to IVF. Drawing from her own experience with endometriosis and infertility, Dr. Mercier opens up about the emotional and ethical concer
Them Before Us #079 | God’s Blueprint for Womanhood: A Conversation with Carrie Abbott
Boardroom or babies? Why not both? In this conversation, Jenn is joined by Carrie Abbott, speaker, author, national radio host, and the Founder and Director of The Legacy Institute, to talk about the strength and beauty of womanhood. With decades of experience as a teacher, corporate professional, and now a leading voice on faith and family, Carrie brings her unique perspective on how women can th
Them Before Us #078 | Which Humans Are People? A Conversation with Nancy Pearcey
This episode of the Them Before Us podcast features a conversation with professor and author Nancy Pearcey, exploring what it means to truly love the body and uphold the dignity of the human person. Drawing from her book "Love Thy Body", Pearcey outlines the intellectual and personal journey that shaped her convictions and dives into the cultural narratives that separate humanity from both biologi
Them Before Us #077 | Family Fragmentation Isn’t Neutral—It’s Neglect | Adam B. Coleman
In this powerful episode, author and cultural commentator Adam B. Coleman shares his deeply personal journey from childhood pain to redemptive purpose. Adam opens up about breaking generational cycles and transforming from a young man struggling with fatherlessness to being the father his son deserves.In his new book, "The Children We Left Behind: How Western Culture Rationalizes Family Separ
Them Before Us #076 | How Is Your State Ranked on Marriage & Family? A Conversation with Aaron Baer
In this episode of the Them Before Us podcast, Jenn sits down with Aaron Baer, President of the Center for Christian Virtue, to discuss the compelling findings from The Hope and a Future Report. Together, they explore how the decline of marriage and family structure contributes to rising poverty, violence, and mental health struggles—and why strengthening the family unit may be the key to reversin
Them Before Us #075 | Bobby Lopez: A Child’s Journey Through Divorce, Identity, and Redemption
In this episode Bobby Lopez shares his deeply personal journey of growing up in a home shaped by divorce and same-sex parenting. Reflecting on the struggles of identity, family connection, and the societal shifts that redefined marriage and parenting, Bobby provides a raw and honest account of how these experiences shaped his worldview. He discusses his transition from childhood confusion to adult
Them Before Us #074 | The Battle for your Child's Mind Starts at Home
In a world where culture is discipling our kids faster than ever, how can parents reclaim their role as the primary influence in their children’s faith? Join us as we sit down with Hillary Morgan Ferrer, founder of Mama Bear Apologetics, to discuss the biggest cultural lies targeting kids today—and how parents can equip them with biblical truth. From shaping worldviews to tackling tough conversati
Them Before Us #073 | When Fatherhood Doesn't Look Like You Expected
In this episode of the Them Before Us podcast, host Jenn sits down with Mark DeGrasse, creator of Dads in Autism Land, to explore the unique challenges and triumphs of fatherhood on the autism spectrum. Mark shares raw insights into balancing the needs of his two sons—one severely autistic and nonverbal, the other neurotypical—while navigating the emotional and relational complexities that come wi
Them Before Us #072 | Human Dignity for IVF Embryos | Laura Elm with Sacred Heart Guardians
In this episode, we considered something many folks haven't thought of, offering human embryos that have died in the IVF process Christian burial. Jenn chats with Laura Elm, the Founder and Director of Sacred Heart Guardians, the Catholic charity that provides dignity to these little human lives so they aren't discarded with medical waste. Tell us what you think and learn more at:https://s
Them Before Us #071 | Marriage, Family, and the Battle for Truth – A Convo with Glenn T. Stanton
What happens when culture tries to redefine marriage, gender, and family? In this episode of theThem Before Us podcast, Jenn sits down with Glenn T. Stanton, Director of Global Family Formation Studies at Focus on the Family, to discuss why marriage still matters—especially to young people—and the vital role biological parents play in a child's well-being.They dive into the cultural shifts tha
Them Before Us #070 | Mentors, Moms, and Miracles: The Church in Action
What happens when a community steps up to support families in crisis? In this episode, we sit down with Christine Denova, Executive Director of Idahope Families, to discuss how this ministry is mobilizing the church to provide real, hands-on help to struggling parents and children. From crisis pregnancy support to hosting children in safe homes while parents regain stability, Idahope is proving th
Them Before Us #069 | The Debt Crisis is a Kids’ Crisis | Pro-Child Politics | Phil Kerpen
Every baby born in America today starts life $80,000 in debt. In this powerful episode, Jenn is joined by fiscal expert Phil Kerpen to talk about how reckless federal spending, runaway debt, and economic myths are setting our kids up for disaster.Kerpen, president of American Commitment and a long-time advocate for free market principles, makes the case that true pro-child politics must include fi
Them Before Us #068 | Them Before Us & Our Supreme Court Brief | The Fight to Protect Kids Online
Warning: Adult Themes/Conversation
Them Before Us has taken a bold stand to protect children online by submitting an amicus brief to the Supreme Court in defense of Texas' age-verification law for accessing adult content. This critical law, challenged by the "Free Speech Coalition"—an industry group defending p0rnographic interests—represents a vital step toward shielding kids from harm. TBU’s br
Them Before Us #067 | Woke Seattle Vendors and Our 2025 Dreams
Join Founder and President Katy Faust and Training Director Jenn Friesen as they sit down for a candid conversation reflecting on an eventful and impactful 2024. From celebrating the triumph of meeting our ambitious 4th-quarter fundraising goals to unpacking the unexpected drama from woke contractors at our Seattle event, Katy and Jenn dive deep into the highs and challenges of the year.
They al
Them Before Us #066 | Author Leila Miller | Primal Loss: The Now-Adult Children of Divorce Speak
In this episode, Leila sits down with Jenn to discuss her book Primal Loss: The Now-Adult Children of Divorce Speak. In it, Leila shares insights from her interviews with 70 adults who experienced divorce during their childhood, adolescence, or young adulthood. The book reveals the profound impact divorce has on individuals, no matter their age.
Their conversation is both moving and insightful,
Them Before Us #065 | Jonathan Pageau | Retelling Fairytales for a Return to Truth & Beauty
Jenn is joined by Jonathan Pageau to talk about his eight-book fairy tale series and why it's so important to reclaim these ancient stories to proclaim truth and beauty to a world in need. Fairytales aren't just for children but are an important part of shaping children's minds. What do you think?
"Jonathan Pageau is a renowned liturgical artist, writer, and public speaker. Jonathan started a pub
Them Before Us #064 | Andrew Wood | Empowering Churches to Boldly Engage on Abortion
Jenn is joined by Andrew Wood, the Senior Director of Church Engagement at Care Net, as he shares powerful insights on how churches can step up and make a meaningful impact in the pro-life movement. Learn how Christians can support unborn babies, offer hope to moms and dads, and create a culture of compassion.
Don’t miss this episode filled with actionable strategies and faith-driven perspective
Them Before Us #063 | Seth Drayer from Created Equal | Culture Change on Abortion
Created Equal Vice President Seth Drayer joins Jenn on the Them Before Us podcast to share about the children's rights to life organization and their yearly "Justice Ride." They also consider whether or not pro-life organizations should show graphic images of the victims of abortion and other ways to shift the culture in this fight for the rights of unborn children.
https://www.createdequal.org/
Them Before Us #062 | Post Election Recap | What Does a Trump Presidency Mean for Children's Rights?
Jenn is joined by TBU's Josh Wood and Patience Sunne to share some thoughts on the 2024 election and what's next in the battle for children's rights.
What do you think?
Them Before Us #061 | Pro-Child Politics Author Delano Squires | The Lies About "Race" Hurting Kids
In this powerful conversation, Delano Squires, Heritage Foundation fellow and author of the Pro-Child Politics chapter on race, joins Jenn to unpack the lies about race that are hurting children in America today.Delano exposes how media narratives, activist agendas, and race-essentialist policies twist the truth and distract us from what really matters: building strong families and safe communitie
Them Before Us #060 | 10 Words to Heal our Broken World | Scott David Allen
In this TBU episode, Jenn has a conversation with Scott David Allen, President of Disciple Nations Alliance and author of a new book, "10 Words to Heal our Broken World." They focus on two of the words being redefined by culture to the detriment of children: sex and marriage. Check out this episode and Scott's book!
https://disciplenations.org/introducing-ten-words-to-heal-our-broken-world-with
Them Before Us #059 | Your Children Belong to You, Not the Government | Tiffany Justice
Katy hosts Moms for Liberty's Tiffany Justice, one of our Pro-Child Politics authors who wrote our chapter on Education. They talk about the cultural lies that teachers are the experts, that children "belong to all of us," that unions care about kids, and more. You'll feel empowered hearing about how parents are stepping up and taking on ANY institution that doesn't have their children's best inte
Them Before Us #058 | Do We "Only Care about Unborn Children"? | Love Life's Daniel Parks
As we approach the Abundant Life Conference on October 19th, Katy Faust will join a number of pro-life speakers and organizations to promote children-first policies before and after babies are born. One of the speakers from the conference, Daniel Parks, joins us to talk about his organization Love Life and the work they're doing to support babies and mothers around the country.
Check out more at
Them Before Us #057 | Book "Silent Sorrows" on the Ethics of IVF and more | Katherine Breckenridge
Long-time fellow advocate Katherine Breckenridge joins the podcast to share about her book, "Silent Sorrows: Let's Talk About Abortion, Reproductive Technologies, and Adoption." This is a great resource about the ethical problems with IVF and other technologies, primarily from a Christian perspective. Between this and the TBU book, you'll have comprehensive secular AND Christian arguments for the
Them Before Us #056 | "Walking In Unity" | A Resource for Christian Parents Regarding Race & Racism
At Them Before Us, we want to highlight things that might be a great resource for individuals and families engaging in politics and culture. Our sphere is particularly marriage & family but The Center for Biblical Unity has many great resources for Christians considering cultural topics like LGBT ideology, racism/race/CRT/DEI and more. Krista and Monique are great friends of TBU and have also
Them Before Us #055 | The VP Debate | Is There A Pro-Life Party?
Katy, Josh & Jenn breakdown the Vice Presidential debate and the remarkable difference in tone and substance compared to the folks at the top of the ticket.
Them Before Us #054 | Embodied Childhood: Rescuing Kids from Screens with Maria Baer
In this episode, journalist and Breakpoint host Maria Baer joins us to unpack one of the most urgent questions of modern parenting: Is our digital world robbing children of an embodied childhood?As a contributing author to Pro-Child Politics, Maria explores how digital tech, especially in education, is subtly but profoundly reshaping what it means to grow up. This isn’t just about screen addiction
Them Before Us #053 | Building Cathedrals: Art That Lasts with Christian Watson
In this episode, we’re joined by Christian Watson, artist, creative director, and the designer behind the Pro-Child Politics book cover, to talk about the deeper meaning of art—what it says, what it lasts for, and what it’s pointing toward.Christian shares his journey from vintage-obsessed teen to sought-after designer, and why his work is rooted in truth and beauty, not trends. He calls on Christ
Them Before Us #052 | The Case for Pro-Child Conservation | Chris Barnard
Can caring for the environment and prioritizing kids go hand in hand? In this episode, Chris Barnard, president of the American Conservation Coalition, joins Jenn to challenge the mainstream narrative around environmentalism. Instead of pitting people against nature, Chris advocates for a balanced, conservationist approach that views humans, not as the problem, but as capable stewards of creation.
Them Before Us #051 | Who Won the Presidential Debate?
Founder & Director Katy Faust and Executive Director Josh Wood join Jenn to chat about what we heard in the POTUS debate between former President Trump and Vice-President Kamala Harris and any places they missed the mark both on political substance and the protection of children's rights.
Them Before Us #050 | Pro-Child Means Pro-Life | Pro-Child Politics Author Abby Johnson
From a director at Planned Parenthood to one of the most effective and well-known voices for LIFE, Dr. Abby Johnson wrote our chapter on the topic in
Pro-Child Politics: Why Every Cultural, Economic, and National Issue Is a Matter of Justice for Children.
See more from Abby at
https://abbyj.com/
https://x.com/AbbyJohnson
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwhoNHBWsizek-3cc0KlQRQ
And don't forg
Them Before Us #049 | Illegal Immigration Harms Children | Pro-Child Politics Author Lora Ries
What is really happening at the southern U.S. border and is it possible to consider even something like immigration from a children's rights perspective?
Our Pro-Child Politics author featured today is Lora Ries, the Director of the Border Security and Immigration Center at the Heritage Foundation. You'll finish this episode feeling much more informed at the children's rights violatio
Them Before Us #048 | The Porn Industry Hurts Kids | Pro-Child Politics Author Jon Schweppe
*Disclamer: We discuss mature themes in this podcast*
In this episode, Jon Schweppe from the American Principles Project joins us to shed light on his powerful chapter in Pro-Child Politics, fighting back against the porn industry. Jon exposes some big lies about pornography, the impact on minors and how we can fight back. Discover why the government has both the power and the duty to regulate thi
Them Before Us #047 | Foreign Policy Matters for Children | Pro-Child Politics Author Dan Caldwell
One of the experts who submitted a chapter for "Pro-Child Politics" joins Jenn on the Them Before Us podcast today. Dan Caldwell is a former Marine and veteran of the Iraq War and now serves as the Public Policy Advisor for the foreign policy thinktank Defense Priorities.
Check out more from Dan at defensepriorities.org or on X @dandcaldwell.
Them Before Us #046 | TBU's Josh Wood & Our New Book * Pro Child Politics *
In this episode, Jenn introduces the Them Before Us audience to TBU's Executive Director Josh Wood and they chat about TBU's new book, Pro-Child Politics, a compilation of authors presenting major political topics from the perspective of children's rights. Josh chats about the resource this book will be before the election and his contribution to the book, the conclusion.
Pre-order y
Them Before Us #045 | Swedish Perspective on Views of Parenting: Is the Nordic model all it's cracked up to be in the USA?
While the Nordic model for healthcare and education often gets high praise in the USA, Madeleine Wallin pulls back the curtain on some surprising downsides. Discover how Swedish mothers who prefer to care for their kids at home face societal pressures in a system that prioritizes institutional care. Jenn and Madeleine chat about her experience as a mother of five in Sweden, exploring how what the
Them Before Us #044 | Why You Don't Need to Have Credentials or A Big Following to Defend the Rights of Children
Join us for an inspiring episode of the Them Before Us podcast as we sit down with Kristin Hall, a fellow advocate for children's rights who proves that passion and determination can make a difference.
Kristin, who like many of us does not have formal credentials in law or advocacy, is passionate about living out her calling to champion the rights of children in her community and context. He
#ANDnotOR | Father's Day Edition | Why Every Child Deserves His/Her Mom AND Dad
This month, join Them Before Us as we celebrate the irreplaceable roles of both mom and dad with our #ANDnotOR campaign. In this episode, Katy and Jenn introduce #ANDnotOR and celebrate the significance of a child's father
You will also hear Mille's story, concieved using a sperm donor and raised by two women. You can also read her story here https://thembeforeus.com/millie-fontana/
We rec
#ANDnotOR | Mother's Day Edition | Why Every Child Deserves His/Her Mom AND Dad
This month, join Them Before Us as we celebrate the irreplaceable roles of both mom and dad with our #ANDnotOR campaign. In this episode, Katy and Jenn introduce #ANDnotOR and celebrate the significance of a child's mother.
You will also hear Samantha's story, raised by her dad and his boyfriend, and her experience with mother hunger. You can read more of her story at https://thembeforeus
Them Before Us #043 | New TBU Book Coming Soon, Christianity Today Article Response, and Q&A
Katy and her nineteen co-authors submitted their manuscript for book #3, Pro-Child Politics, this week, hear the update to this resource you will want before the election this fall. Jenn and Katy also chatted about the response to her Christianity Today op-ed and answered some other questions that came in through social media.
Them Before Us #042 | Lori Kuykendall & IdentityProject.TV, a new resource on sex, gender, identity, marriage and more
Lori joins Jenn to tell our TBU advocates about The Identity Project, an amazing new resource from a collaboration of organizations and experts to equip parents, pastors, youth leaders and everyone in between on some of the trickiest topics facing us today. TBU listeners get a discount!
"The Identity Project is for parents, grandparents, teachers, leaders, ministers, medical professionals, a
Them Before Us #041 | What About the "Primal Wound?" Junk Science or Meaningful for our Cause?
Them Before Us staff Jenn & Patience explore Nancy Verrier's groundbreaking 1993 book, "The Primal Wound," which has stirred debate among scholars, parents, adoptees and psychologists. They dip into the existing research about maternal separation and what we know about surrogacy, the million dollar industry separating babies from their mothers for money.
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Them Before Us #040 | Professor Brad Wilcox Talks New Book "Get Married", the Benefits of Marriage & Family on Happiness and Wellbeing
In this episode you will hear from Brad Wilcox, a professor of sociology and director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia. He's written a new book on the importance of marriage and why it's good for all of us.
Buy Get Married: Why Americans Must Defy the Elites, Forge Strong Families, and Save Civilization
Find more from Professor Wilcox:
https://twitter.com/Br
Them Before Us #039 | Selective Reduction in IVF, Michigan Endorsing Surrogacy for Pay, and Surrogacy Baby Shower Protocol
In this episode, we get a sneak peak into Katy's third book, a collaboration of experts on how every major political issue (energy, education, business) could be seen from the perspective of children's rights. Katy also gives us the rundown on her upcoming Rome trip for the Casablanca Declaration meeting.
Next we take on some questions from social media:
What are some of the differences
Them Before Us #038 | Delano Squires shares the "Four Houses" to get in order to save the Black family in America
In today's episode, we get to hear from Delano Squires, a Research Fellow in the Richard and Helen DeVos Center for Life, Religion, and Family at The Heritage Foundation. His research, writing, and commentary focuses on marriage, family, and fatherhood.
You can find more from Delano at:
https://twitter.com/DelanoSquires
https://www.heritage.org/staff/delano-squires
Them Before Us #037 | "The Boy Crisis" Author Warren Farrell On The Problems Facing Men, Boys, and Society
In this episode, we hear from Dr. Warren Farrell, who wrote a book called "The Boy Crisis" and has written and spoken for many years about the challenges facing men and boys in Western Culture. Let us know what you think.
https://warrenfarrell.com/
https://boycrisis.org/
Them Before Us #036 | Dating A Half Brother, Fertility Fraud, Ireland Erasing Women, & Pro-Life Hypocrisy
Katy and Jenn go over some interesting news around IVF and donor conception, including a woman who learned at 39 that she dated her half brother in high school and has 22 half siblings. Ireland's redefinition of womanhood and family is also considered.
https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/opinion/irelands-about-to-take-women-out-of-its-constitution/
https://wng.org/opinions/ireland-erases-women-170
Them Before Us #035 | Alabama's IVF Ruling and other burning questions
Jenn and Katy chat about the Alabama State Supreme Court's ruling on IVF and a number of other questions from social media or listeners:
Will the Alabama decision change the IVF industry?
How should we speak to our church friends who say they're Prolife but are in favor of IVF and disagree with the Alabama ruling?
Stat we quote: 1.7 million embryos created for IVF have been thrown awa
Them Before Us #034 | Jenn interviews Lezlee Liljenberg | Not-Parent Expected: When you Learn Your Dad is not Your Dad
Jenn interviews Lezlee, a member of the Not Parent Expected (NPE) community on her experiences growing up and coming to learn the man who raised her wasn't her biological father.
Check out more from Lezlee at her website: www.iamlezlee.com and her book, If You Only Knew: Navigating DNA Surprises and the *NPE (Not-Parent Expected) World.
Other resources Lezlee mentioned were:
https://www.hira
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