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Fervent Four

Fervent Four

Zack Miller, Tim Ryan 328 Episodes Oct 13, 2026

Fervent Four is a business and entrepreneurship podcast hosted by Zack Miller and Tim Ryan. Each week they interview founders, executives, investors, and industry leaders about the decisions, risks, failures, and breakthroughs behind building companies. The show covers topics such as AI, healthcare, consumer brands, manufacturing, and emerging technologies. It aims to surface the business stories worth knowing and the lessons behind them. New episodes are released every Tuesday.

Episodes

At 60, She Took Over. Nobody Expected What Happened Next.
At 60, She Took Over. Nobody Expected What Happened Next. Oct 13, 2026 48:36 At 60, Marsha Hudgins thought she was headed toward retirement. Instead, she was about to take over a construction company in an industry where few people expected her to lead. Her husband, the founder of Hudgins Contracting, was battling pancreatic cancer. Before he died, he made her promise not to shut down the business. She kept that promise. But taking over was anything but easy. Longtime empl
Would You Bet Your Entire Bank Account on Yourself?
Would You Bet Your Entire Bank Account on Yourself? Oct 6, 2026 01:00:02 With $50,000 in the bank, Alexis Perkins bet on herself and invested it in a new website and app for Chair One Fitness. The app went on to become her company's largest revenue source. In episode 330 of Fervent Four, Alexis joins Zack Miller and Tim Ryan to share how she turned canceled bookings into international growth, got in front of hard to reach buyers, and expanded her seated fitness busines
The AI Boom Runs on Handwritten Tickets
The AI Boom Runs on Handwritten Tickets Sep 29, 2026 57:27 Mike Van Sickel offered two trucking brokers a share of $25 million in work. Both turned him down. They were already spending their weekends collecting paper tickets, tracking changes on legal pads and trying to produce invoices that matched the contractor's records. More work would only make that problem bigger. Mike had spent decades in construction watching dispatchers, drivers and brokers mana
She Built a Global Brand Without a Plan
She Built a Global Brand Without a Plan Sep 22, 2026 59:25 Paula Short didn't set out to build a global beauty brand. She and her business partner created a glitter lip product to get more customers through the door of their salon. Then people started buying it. They took the product to London. Landed Topshop. Expanded internationally. Supplied major retailers and airlines. Paula appeared on BBC Dragons' Den. And somewhere along the way, the small idea be
Pain Is Your Greatest Superpower
Pain Is Your Greatest Superpower Sep 15, 2026 01:01:22 Greg Tomchick has been through enough over the last few years to completely change how he thinks about business, success and himself. The founder of Valor Cybersecurity returns to Fervent Four more than three years after his first appearance. Since then, he found Valor's market serving defense contractors, endured an investor falling out, a divorce and a painful split with a business partner, and
The Goal Isn't to Own the Business Forever
The Goal Isn't to Own the Business Forever Sep 8, 2026 59:56 Joe Benedetto spent his career in an industry most people rarely think about: recycling. His family has been in the business for more than 100 years. Joe started working in recycling at 13, eventually launched Recycling & Disposal Solutions (RDS) in 2004, and grew the company to five locations and roughly 80 employees. But this conversation goes well beyond recycling. Joe joins Zack Miller and Tim
When Did $40 Million Stop Being a Win?
When Did $40 Million Stop Being a Win? Sep 1, 2026 01:01:49 Building something meaningful and building something massive don't have to be opposing goals. Adam Alphin, founder and CEO of KleerCard, joins The Fervent Four to talk about building a company on his own terms while still thinking big about where it can go. KleerCard has grown to more than 1,250 customers while taking a deliberately disciplined approach to outside capital. Adam shares why the comp
HE HIT #1. THEN FOUND A BETTER WAY TO WIN | Canaan Smith
HE HIT #1. THEN FOUND A BETTER WAY TO WIN | Canaan Smith Aug 25, 2026 01:05:29 In Episode 324 of Fervent Four, Canaan opens up about moving to Nashville knowing no one, working as a custodian while writing songs, landing a publishing deal, competing on The Amazing Race, and eventually earning a No. 1 country hit. He also talks candidly about the pressure that followed that success, why chasing the next No. 1 started to take more than it gave, and how fatherhood, faith, famil
What Nobody Tells You About Success, Confidence and Retirement
What Nobody Tells You About Success, Confidence and Retirement Aug 18, 2026 37:46 What happens after you've built companies, made investments, helped shape a business community — and supposedly reached the point where you can retire? In Part 2 of our conversation with Paul Hirschbiel, we go beyond business and into what decades of success have taught him about confidence, relationships, purpose and what comes next. Paul opens up about the insecurity that existed behind a confid
He Bet $3 Million Before Anyone Knew It Would Work
He Bet $3 Million Before Anyone Knew It Would Work Aug 11, 2026 52:06 Paul Hirschbiel has spent decades investing in companies and evaluating the people behind them. Long before becoming the founding chairman of Innovate 757, Hirschbiel built a career in venture capital, backed Michael Dell in the company's early years and spent 13 years on Dell's board. On Fervent Four, Paul shares what he saw in Michael Dell, why ego can destroy great companies, what separates exc
The Biggest Lie About Blue-Collar Jobs
The Biggest Lie About Blue-Collar Jobs Aug 4, 2026 01:04:23 Everyone says people no longer want blue-collar jobs. But what if workers are not the real problem? This episode explores why leadership matters in recruiting the next generation, how AI is transforming industrial work, and why American shipbuilding and manufacturing may be entering a new era. We discuss: Why uninspiring leadership contributes to hiring challenges How Google AI turned up to 160 ho
30 Years in Business Taught Him These Hard Truths
30 Years in Business Taught Him These Hard Truths Jul 28, 2026 01:07:26 What happens when decades of business experience collide with a world being rapidly reshaped by AI and automation? Marc Marling, Chief Business Officer at Cargomatic, joins The Fervent Four to talk about the lessons he's learned across his career—from working seven days a week for a boss who promised him ownership, to why he believes people give up too quickly, why picking up the phone has become

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